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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 5:45am On Feb 05, 2020 |
correctguy0900: Einstein has proven that there exists a relationship between energy and mass. Therefore, the big bang generated an enormous quantum of energy that produced the very set of mass, which resulted to what we have today. Of course, there are gaps in this theory but it offers alot of testable predictions. If you had basic understanding of quantum mechanics and relativity, you would agree. How did the big bang started is a different issue. If we say it was God that started the big bag, then how did God begin? 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by nairaman66(m): 5:51am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: If the Big Bang is to be taken serious, I suppose no life on earth would have survived! Don’t you think? What about the Steady State theory? These are mere assertions by physicists, mathematicians as well as astronomers!! Whenever the Big Bang theory comes to play, evolution lacks its foundation Vice versa! You need to understand that’s why it’s referred to as a “THEORY”. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 6:08am On Feb 05, 2020 |
nairaman66: And the "God Theory" is not an assertion by creationists? To start with, do you really understand relativity and the big bang? 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by worlexy(m): 6:28am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:Do you have a soul and a spirit? Can you see your soul and spirit? You can't, so does that mean you don't have a soul and a spirit? Your answer to my question will answer your question about God's existence! 3 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 6:30am On Feb 05, 2020 |
worlexy: Can you prove that we have a soul and a spirit? 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by worlexy(m): 6:33am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:It's a bad manner to reply question with question, answer my question first and I will answer you 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 6:39am On Feb 05, 2020 |
worlexy: Saying that a soul or a spirit exists is a logical fallacy of appeal to ignorance. I cannot debate for or against something I don't believe exists. It is like debating for who the strongest person is between superman and hulk. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by worlexy(m): 6:45am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:In other words, you don't believe that you have a soul and a spirit. EOD. But the fact that you refuse to believe that souls and spirits exist doesn't mean they don't. The same science teaching you such has embraced the truth about such existence that's why they are focusing their researches on paranormal phenomenon . Go on youTube and search for different videos of scientifically unexplainable paranormal phenomenon and tell me that spirits and souls don't exist! 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 6:50am On Feb 05, 2020 |
worlexy: There are also videos on youtube that says superman can beat hulk. Does that mean they exist? If i post a video to youtube claiming I had supernatural visions, does that make it true? There are also videos on youtube that disproves the existence of god. You may want to try some of those as well. Again avoid all the fallacy of ignorance. Can you prove that a spirit or soul exists? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Khaleell001(m): 6:58am On Feb 05, 2020 |
The simple and concise reply to this thread is, no thing came out of nothing. And again, for objectivity purpose every thing that has certain specific shape or form has something behinds it construction. To say human mind can fully understand why Allāh exist is beyond imagination. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 7:03am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Khaleell001: @bolded then how did God come to be? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Jchibike(m): 7:21am On Feb 05, 2020 |
I'm not convinced you know what a scientific theory means. You don't have to accept the big bang or theory of evolution as valid scientific frameworks, but don't go about saying the two are in conflict with each other without offering reasons why. I'll respond to you if I find what you say next to be interesting. nairaman66: 3 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 7:29am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Thanks Nuissancepolice for the justice you have done to this discussion. What lots of the proponents of religion here fail to realize is that most of what they know about what they identify as God immediately crashes when they take out religion. It becomes an hypothesis that has no logical basis. Being able to isolate the concept of God and religion also helped me in bidding farewell to religion. All what you know about your religion was passed to you by someone that offered you no proof. The only thing they did was to also present you with a holy book that was definitely written by humans that contains knowledge that can't stand in the face of logical reasoning and modern discoveries. You don't question them but you can question the believes of other religions that have exactly the same model as yours with no logical background but just different contents. You see the irony? You find it difficult to accept "I don't know yet" as a satisfactory answer but prefer to insert non-testable answers like "God created the universe, humans and the likes" in so so manner because someone wrote a book that says so in no-testable manner. Rather than go with scientific knowledge whose process was also used to develop the medicinal knowledge we have today that is far better than whatever your religion has to offer in terms of healing. The same process that was studied to bring about all the technology you see around you including the phones or laptop you are currently typing with. One doesn't even need to understand the concepts of big bang, evolution, relativity and the likes before you understand that most of the religions you see around you can't stand in a modern society. Religions that encourages and outlines how to carry out slavery, religions that justifies killings of people that don't accept your religion and you fail to see that those that bring this up were not inspired by a divine being like they falsely claim rather motivated by their selfish interests. A religion that claims its early founders performed miracles publicly but are always quick to evade being asked to perform similar miracles today in public glare. How don't you see that these things are made up? Just how? 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by worlexy(m): 7:41am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:You've said that you that have a soul or spirit. I have nothing more to say to you. FYI : the YouTube videos I asked you to watch are not random videos posted by amateurs, I mean scientific documentaries on paranormal phenomenon. I know you're aware that such exists but you've chosen to believe in yourself ignorance and in what your mind is fixated on. That's one thing I love about this life, you will always find something to defend your rationalization or irrationalization. Just like in the Nigerian movie Figurine Denying God's existence doesn't diminish his powers or influence, God has nothing to lose, you have all to lose and you may end up be consumed by your ignorance 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by OKOATA(m): 7:46am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:it wasn’t an astronomical video, they were angels. What I meant by speed of light is that they flew from one continent to the other in milliseconds.. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by OKOATA(m): 7:47am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:who’s talking about sarcasm here. Even if I don’t watch any video I believe God exist so go and sit down. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 7:50am On Feb 05, 2020 |
worlexy: Point out where I explicitly or by implication state that I have or believe I have a soul or spirit? The weed you smoked must be a very good brand 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 7:52am On Feb 05, 2020 |
OKOATA: Whatever it was will not detract from the material facts. Who captured it? Care to share a link to the video? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by OKOATA(m): 8:03am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:The astronaut guy was saying it specifically in the video that these are angels of God and the guy a black American in space was saying “This is what NASA won’t let you see, this is what the Americans govt won’t let you see “ I can’t find the video on YouTube again. I can bet my life that these things were angels bro. If Iie make everything I de look for make I no find am. In fact am still looking for the video but it’s been removed and I don’t have it anymore. Don’t know how it got deleted .
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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 8:06am On Feb 05, 2020 |
OKOATA: I don't understand. Why are videos that could prove the supernatural always deleted? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by OKOATA(m): 8:09am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:Bro the video have been removed, it’s the realest video and not some video shopped nonsense. It’s been removed by the USA govt I suppose. If demons can be real, can’t angels be real? Demons and angels are so hard to see so definitely how do you expect to see God? So for those who don’t believe in God why do people believe in spirituality then?
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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by OKOATA(m): 8:14am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:Don’t know why it got deleted, had it in my formal comp, but you can check more on YouTube and see angels and even demons caught on cam. If demons and angels can be real why can’t God be in existence then. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 8:20am On Feb 05, 2020 |
OKOATA: The image you posted looks interesting. Care to share a link to where you got it from? 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by LordReed2nd(m): 8:43am On Feb 05, 2020 |
pes2019: Why must one believe in something? Why can one not live without believing in something? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 8:47am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: Lol. I’m telling you what I’ve seen happen, not third party information. It was something I saw my own eyes. You are not omniscience so you cannot know what’s happening everywhere. Your own experience is your experience and I don’t have the fact to call it a lie but it’s laughable the length you’d go to rubbish someone else experience. You say indoctrination and I laugh. I’ll keep repeating it, most of you really don’t understand what Christianity is all about and it’s amusing to watch as you try to rubbish what you don’t understand. I said ask your question one after the other and I will respond. I thought the subject matter we are discussing is part of the questions you raised in your OP? 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 8:54am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja: It seems you just want to keep going in circles. I sincerely don’t have that time. There are thousands of records that support the facts that Jesus truly existed and at a certain time was crucified on the cross. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by michlins(m): 8:56am On Feb 05, 2020 |
pes2019:if you want to believe in something, believe in yourself 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by StrikeBack(m): 8:59am On Feb 05, 2020 |
LordReed2nd:This is exactly the actual religious problem of Africans... You must believe in something 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Shadon007: 9:02am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us. Did God design the laws of the universe - Photo of mathematical equations on a blackboard to illustrate the mathematical consistency of natural laws.How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable? "The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence. Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 9:11am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Ok does that also mean he had virgin birth? Does that also prove he performed outlandish miracles and does that prove that he rose from the dead? Does that prove that he raised Lazarus from the dead? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 9:12am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Let me make it more clearer. When people came with news of apl. We collectively asked them to provide proof. Can you provide few of the thousands of records you re talking about. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 9:12am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Shadon007:By miracle. I'm sure he meant this figuratively not literally. |
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