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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:17am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: The bolded is a classical example of the fallacy of appealing to ignorance. It is like asking you to prove to me that I don't have 1 billion dollars. The onus is on you to provide the proof. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:19am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Why use scientific knowledge to disprove the existence of God portrayed by various religions? Science is based on material proof and religion is based on faith. You may not accept the idea of 'God' or religion, but asking for material proof deprives religion of it's core concept (faith). I think the argument of God's non-existence is hinged on the premise that material science is all there is to life. Some of your fellow humans believe otherwise. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:19am On Feb 05, 2020 |
pes2019: Ok fine you have succeeded in quoting the bible all through and demonstrates that you are arguing in circles. The first question is why should I treat the bible better than a fictional book? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:20am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Route99: Why don't you belive in Islamic teachings? Or Hindu? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:21am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:Bro honestly. I don't know why these people don't want to do engaging arguments. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:22am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:I never stated a particular religion. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:23am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Route99: No one is using science to prove the existence of God. Not yet. Asking questions is a universally valid way to verify claims. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:24am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Route99:Ok are you an atheist? I want to know what side of the divide you fall in. I'm sorry. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:24am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Route99:Ok I'm sorry. Are u an atheist? I want to know what side of the divide you fall on. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:24am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: Funny thing is they never attended to any of the 10 questions posited in the original post. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:29am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: Good that we are getting somewhere. 1. You have seen a lot of Pastors that have done miracles like Bishop Oyedapo, Pastor Adeboye, Oyakilome and the likes but you will still question their miracles, therefore this miracles have to happen directly to you before you can believe it. I have seen my Pastor heal a lame man on wheelchair, I have seen a Pastor pray for a woman that has no womb for the fruit of the womb and God sustain a pregnancy in her. 2. What’s to say you will not start to question my own personal experiences once I share them? There are some called into the ministry of deliverance, some into the ministry of intercession and some into the ministry of teaching. We have function with the capabilities that the Holy Spirit has given us. Have I prayed for the sick and he was healed? Yes. Have I turned water to wine? No. In my 200l, we were preparing for drama night and our rehearsal were vigil every Wednesday and I have Statistics class every Thursday morning by 7am. Have I prayed for the class to be rescheduled to another day and the class was rescheduled to Sat? YES. Have I tread on serpent? No. Have I slept on scorpion unknowingly while in the Uni and I was not bitten? YES. There are lots of personal experience that I have serving this God. 3. If you want to probe the Bible, then you will need to go on a personal journey of self discovery. If you want to test the validity of God, put your trust in him and ask him to show himself to you. You will get your answer. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:32am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:You don't get my point. The core concept of science is proof of existence before believing. Why apply that concept to the existence of God in religion, which is hinged on faith? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:35am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: This is not a correct analogy pls. Before I can ask you to prove that you don’t have 2 billion dollars, we must have had a discussion that centered on the subject matter - Billion dollars. Then during the discussion you say “I have 1 billion dollars because I have so n so and it’s recorded in so so” Yet I said it’s a lie, you don’t have 1 billion dollars, I must have a reason to disprove that you don’t. You are the one with the allegation that Jesus Christ isn’t real, the burden of proof is on you. I did not bring you to this court of public opinion, you did. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:35am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:. It's complicated. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:35am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: Please can your Pastor heal Ayefele so that we can know it is not staged. Because that is what they all are. I don't care the Pastors you call. I know they'll tell you it is God that is doing it. But that is just the simple modus operandi of scammers, charlatans and snake oil sales man. It works for them and people like you end up believing and inviting people and they make more money from offering and tithes and buy private jets. They do charities too to have a greater stronghold on the weak masses so that even if someone's eyes open the followers would descend on him. How is this business model lost on smart people. Just how? Please don't let me choke with laughter. You have healed the sick before? Wow. Why don't you go to the hospitals and save people their monies by healing them all. Oh you will say it's not you but its God that does the healing right . Or have you joined the crew of snake oils sales men? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:37am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Route99:Lool ok oo |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:37am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: So you agree with me that your brother doesn’t exist because I never saw him? Right? No offense taken whatsoever. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 1:40am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Prove that he does exist. You can't just tell me to believe you have a ring on your finger without showing me. We can do this all day you know. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:40am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Yes I agree. I don't have a late brother so no offense at all I understand it is for the purpose of this discussion. In similar vain you agree that Jesus doesn't exist right cos you have never seen him? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by pes2019: 1:44am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: Note: You haven't answered my question either. When did you become atheist, were u born so? Bible is never a fiction and has no comparison From ur question, u said to treat bible Better, it's either you choose bible or story books. If bible I have sth good to tell you about it The gift of God is without repentance, that gift is choice inclusive |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:44am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: I really do not need to read past that first line. Every other thing that followed is a poor attempt at criticizing what you really don’t understand. You really do not understand what Christianity is. Christianity is a way of life. The disciples were first called Christians in Antoich because the people there noticed that their behavior is like Christ. Christian means Christ - like. The Bible recorded that Jesus Christ went about doing good. The greatest commandment he gave to us is - LOVE. I cannot speak for other Christians as Christianity is meant to be a personal relationship with God through Jesus. I will not be the judge of what I do not know but the Bible says “Search all doctrine and hold on to that which is true”. Cheers. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by pes2019: 1:46am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: Have u ever seen air?, but it exists right. For the fact that u never seen it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Don't fight d truth sir |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:46am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: Your first paragraph has defeated the whole purpose of this thread cause it has brought out the inaccuracy of your arguments. You know for a certain that Your brother did exist but you want to agree with me because of an argument that he doesn’t exist just because you want to prove that Jesus doesn’t exist. You see how that sound? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:46am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:I am sorry you haven't achieved anything other than arguing in circles. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:49am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: Lol. Goodnight. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 2:10am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: I have never seen any single miracle by anyone but I have heard claims of people receiving miracles. A few of my friends claimed to have had supernatural encounters but I later discovered they were lies. Infact the most recent one was medically treated of the hallucinations he earlier had purported to be visions. Also, I have witnessed people testifying that their stomach pain, chest pain etc got miraculously healed (things that are not visible) but in the same assembly, people with broken leg, proven cases of paralysis, blindness, burns and other things that could be physically verified not get cured. I honestly wish I could find any iota of sense in what you wrote as all I can see is one who is so entangled in indoctrination. Although you did not touch any of the 10 issues that was the original aim of the thread, I nevertheless appreciate your engagment with the thread. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 2:15am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:Its indoctrination bro. It might be tough for him to engage in a honest intellectual discussion due to indoctrination but hopefully, someone with an open mind will be able to learn from these arguments. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 4:04am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: Why do u think the big bang is real? What is the proof that a balloon exploded, and all life and things just came to be? Thanks |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by budaatum: 4:10am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:You mind them! Some just make up the crap in the head and believe it is true with no evidence whatsoever to support it. Mitocyan:I.e., the 'religion' made up above. Mitocyan:You are correct. Difficult. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mathiasa(m): 4:23am On Feb 05, 2020 |
God owns no man explanation as to why he is God. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by nairaman66(m): 5:00am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: You even put your beliefs into question as well! Why would you believe in the Big Bang theory, were you there when it started? Even the theory of evolution is counter productive regarding creation! Where did the animals fall from? Everything falls back into the Bible and it’s antecedents on creation! You can’t have knowledge and still be pointing at one direction, atheists need to ask important questions! There is a beautiful design in everything especially the living things! It means there is a superior being out there, someone with an intelligent design! |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 5:34am On Feb 05, 2020 |
nairaman66: Everything started with the big bang. If it were god that started the big bang, then what explanation do you have do you have as to how God came to be? The big bang offers a lot of testable predictions. It can be understood with quantum mechanics and relativity for a start. Do you have understanding of quantum mechanics, relativity or evolution? 1 Like |
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