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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 10:53am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja: |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Ekemeze: 10:57am On Feb 05, 2020 |
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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 10:58am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:U have not understood it all, the more I try to unravel the existence of God , the more confused I am, 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 11:07am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja:Exactly bro ,God did it , cos it is beyond human comprehension, seeing a dead body buried in lime over 800 years ago still fresh and bleeding is stunning, cos mummies dont look fresh or bleeds |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 11:08am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja: |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by mrZENographer: 11:14am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: This is you choosing to remain in the dark until science does something, perhaps when you've passed on. Big sorry And no, it's not magnet whatever is that you call it. These are people going places, meetings and doing things without their physical bodies. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 11:15am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Don't mind them bro ,most of them saying they don't believe in God ,believe in diabolic and fetish elements, who is deceiving who 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 11:20am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:bro I will say you are forcing urself not to believe in Gods existence due to some FACtors but deep inside you ,you are aware 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 11:20am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney: Ok 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 11:28am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:The 3rd question you guys Lost it ,check it out and. see for yourself |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 11:32am On Feb 05, 2020 |
This is the only link I would drop for you people here. he is a amateur testifier. I don't have time to argue with my own experience sef cos my own experience personal enough. My hands are washed clean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6lL11Tf0cY |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 11:38am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja: I don’t understand you people really. You want prove of a miracle that happened 2000 years ago. Is that not shallow thinking? Let me even pander to your side, what’s the scientific way to prove a “miracle” that happened 2000 years ago? Gather your thoughts pls. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 11:41am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: There have been a lot of civilization, which pre-civilization are you talking about. The Greek Pantheon has always been a myth. Don’t distort history pls. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Powersurge: 11:46am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: Before I say anything, I discovered that you people are more at ease demeaning Christianity, Jesus and so on. But very cautious of mentioning the possible tricks in Mohammed's religion. Obviously because of fear of been beheaded I also discovered that as you post more stuff, you became more defensive and dogmatic. These are not the traits of good intellectual exercise. The aim is not to "defend" your stance as you doing or feeling there is not "sense" in others'. Like I said in the NNPC post, when you truly know, you will be humbled in your knowledge. I will not based my views on philosophy. because it's a highly flawed way of reasoning; most of whose claims cannot be empirically established. But based on cognitive reasoning. Now, let me start from the idea of creation: It is true that almost every religion and tribe have their own version of creation. Most of which are not intellectually sound. But I will like to take it up from science. If you have going through scientific history of creation, you would understand that there are some suggestions that are purely guess work. Some even claimed life came from fire. Others said from mud. Now let's examine the most popular scientific believe of creation. The Theory of Evolution stated that life evolved from one single cell (amongst other things). There are questions behind that saying that man have not been able to answer. Why was it that only one cell evolved? Why has no other cells evolved since then? Scientists have recreated the "supposed" conditions that led to the evolution. Yet they were unable to make the so called evolution possible. While it might be possible that life evolved as claimed by some scientists, it is too early to affirm this. Because science has not been able to provide prove that life truly evolved. The idea of good and evil is purely a philosophical question which I will not go into. Because, like I said earlier, philosophy is a highly flawed field. It is obvious in the way you are passionately defending your stance. Don't you think that the question of the WHYs. That resonate throughout your posts might be flawed as well? Look at this scenario. A father refused to use his car to send his child to school. This child would have to walk long distance everyday. Sometimes the father also carries some of the child's school mates to school but not his own child. This child would have blisters and injuries, yet the man would not allow him to go to school in his car. Now, do you think the WHYs of the child and the WHYs of the father would be the same? The child would be asking why from his owing position of knowledge. The father would be asking his own WHYs from his own position of knowledge. The child's WHYs would obviously condemn the fathers action. Whether the father is right or wrong is a story for another day. Coming to prove. If I asked you to prove that you were born, you would probably go and bring some bunch of documents for me. Which could be doctored. You cannot have CONCRETE prove that you were born. Everything that you would provide as a prove could be doctored. But if your brain is enhanced in such a way that you could go back in time to see how you were being giving birth to, then you wouldn't need to prove to anyone that you were born. I have seen a man on whom cutlass were used. The cutlass was bouncing on his body like when you are using cutlass to cut tyre. I have seen a pastor stretched his hands towards a flower vase before. The vase vibrated continuously until it fell and broke. I have a friend who stumbled into a Christian crusade and was healed of asthma. A man was shot at a close range several times without a single penetration. There are lots of grey areas. Like if these things are real, why can't they be used to do XYZ? Like I said, prove is in the realm of senses. And it's based on knowledge. I could write zillions of article on this topic. But to preserve space and to save myself time. I will stop here. Until there are empirical proves of Big Bang Theory, Evolution and all, it will be exercise in error to say emphatically, that the spiritual is not true. Because as religious folks have not been able to prove empirically that God exists, so has science has not been able to prove emperically that he doesn't exists. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by tartar9(m): 11:50am On Feb 05, 2020 |
worlexy:Even if paranormal phenomenons are real,how does that proves God exists? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 11:52am On Feb 05, 2020 |
nairaman66:Exactly bro ,these guys are just forcing themselves to accept atheism ,deep inside them their conscience is divided,even renowned atheists later retraced their steps when it dawned on them 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:00pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Powersurge:Yes maybe you should also start beheading people over criticising your own religion so that when your parents and kids criticizes your religion you can also behead them. Oh sorry Christians have already done this in the past like what they did to Galilee and I know you are proud of that. It was called the dark ages and where did it lead them? Please you can actually raise a movement and reenact that method so you can take us back to the dark ages. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 12:03pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice:5 As much as I don't always do this... I would say this. Firstly, you are just against the God Christians worship and not necessarily the existence of a supreme being. You quoted from the Bible, I didn't see you quote from other religious books. Secondly, you come to argue about something you know little about. And even your little is flawed. Thirdly, I'm finding it difficult to engage you through the line of reasoning as your reaction on the NNPC proves you aren't here for intellectual but to prove a point. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:06pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Ekemeze:Nice question , they don't believe In God cos they ve not seen him ,but blindly believe in bigbang theory and evolution ,as if they witnessed it 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:09pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney:I have said over and over again that you don't need to understand big bang and evolution before you can see that the claims of the religions of today are not true. So the fact that you don't understand how these things work and you don't want to make efforts to does not make your religion right. As a matter of fact there are atheists before the big bang and evolution theory were propounded. So this your point is not strong. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by CaveAdullam: 12:11pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Thanks for this wonderful discourse NuissancePolice, I love it when you termed it an intellectual exercise. Indeed it is coupled with the way you and Mitocyan are handling the issue. Sarah Salviander said this in one of her tweets and I quote; I am not aware that debate ever work to convert people, at least not on the spot. It may, however, introduce ideas that will later bear fruits. NuissancePolice:Yes. Creations are, ranging from man, animal, stars, sky, moon, sun etc. Every design has an intelligent designer, e.g robots, cars, jets, houses, books etc. Nothing cannot produce something. So therefore, natural creations are proofs of the abilities of this "Supreme Being God." NuissancePolice:The Bible/Koran was not there from the beginning, at least billions of men existed before they were finally compiled, so it will be wrong for you to say the belief in a Supreme Being God is based on facts recorded in religious texts. My late grandmother knew about "god" through her idols without ever reading any religious texts. Even in the religious circle many haven't had the opportunity to read their religious book, nevertheless, they still believe in God. Maybe "intuition" is at play here, who knows? I'm not against religious texts because they are needed for proper understanding based on your religion. On the other hand they must be scrutinized in order to verify their claims, and I love such intellectual exercise that serves as a medium to leap them from a ground state of blind faith to an excited state of reasonable faith. NuissancePolice:How many places in your life have you visited in this era of civilisation? How many churches/shrines/mosques have you observed over a long period of time to ascertain their miraculous claims? Don't be a NuisancePolice, who just wake up, arrest, detain or convict everyone located in a crime scene without proper investigations. For a start, you can use the Oba Palace and his shrines in Benin city, Edo state to help you understand more on the miraculous/supernatural. Camera men, video experts will be there live as you carry out your investigations. Wish you good luck but only if you are ready. NuissancePolice:First of all, all religions from the East to the West acknowledges the existence of a Supreme Being God. There is no conflict there. The conflict is which way is right in accessing this Supreme Being God. To cut the long story short, God revealed Himself physically to the world but skeptics like you rejected Him. Even if He dares to again many will still reject Him, even as they are doing at the moment. Under close examination of all religions, you will find out that Christ Jesus is the True God/ the One sitting down at the right hand of the True God. NuissancePolice:Anyone that does not drink water for a very long time will die of dehydration, then I begin to wonder of what use is my freewill if I decide not to take water? Will you blame water that is available if you die of thirst? NuissancePolice:Me too, I love the drama. I love the whole scene. I love the characters in play. The True God is already manifesting, all you need to do is to investigate who the True God is instead of behaving like a NuisancePolice. NuissancePolice:I really love the way you are putting your brain cells to work. God is the uncreated eternal creator. With this definition no room for another creator/God. NuissancePolice:Visit the Lords Chosen, the Bride Assembly, Eternity network international, Dunamis to verify this exaggerated claims of yours. Investigate bro, don't be a lazy and a NuissancePolice. Do your policing work well and don't based your facts or claims on hearsay. NuissancePolice:1. It is to maintain law and order. 2. According to your 1 billion years claim, I think the torturing will be a rehabilitation process. 3. It is a good reward for those who are righteous and abide by the law. If you don't punish the wicked for their actions, then, there will be no good persons around. Only a NuissancePolice will allow both criminals and good citizens to mingle together. NuissancePolice:There is a clear pathway. It is either you have refused to follow the narrow pathway because it is too small or you decided to create a pathway for yourself which cannot lead to God. I got tens of answered prayers and looking up to my thousands. Prayer is a process, miss a single step and it becomes unanswered. Thank God that NuissancePolice still acknowledges that at least there are "answered prayers" even though they are few. NuissancePolice:Thank you. I am open for correction, suggestions and more intellectual exercise. I will also appreciate your recommendation of good books for my enlightenment. Thanks. God bless. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by sunshineV(f): 12:12pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: This 2000 years story no dey change? Ive been hearing "2000 years ago" story since i was five and this is 2020 still date no change |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:15pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:Then why are scientists naming constellations after mythological creatures and beings ,if they do not believe in supernatural beings ,why should they do so?? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by worlexy(m): 12:15pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
tartar9:Before you jump into the middle of something, commonsense should tell you to read from the beginning and understand from where we were coming from. Go and do that and come back to ask your question |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:17pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney:So if a Christian bears Ogunkola it means he believes in Ogun? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 12:17pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 12:18pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:19pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney: The difference between science and religion is clear Religion:we dont know, therefore,God! Science:We dont know,lets find out 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:20pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
sunshineV: Maybe I should have said “over 2000 years ago”. Feel happy now? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 12:20pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
i pity you people. Only God can change your hearts honestly because even in d bible he said he has given people like u into reprobation that u would continue to believe a lie. I just hope that is not the case. LISTEN! I HAVE WITNESSED THE SUPERNATURAL. I AM A LIVING WITNESS!!! DO NOT BE FOOLISHLY STUBBORN! FEAR FOR YOUR ETERNITY!!!! THIS IS REAL NOT FAKE!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:21pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney: Why does christains teach the theory of evolution in schools if they dont believe in it 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:21pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
inrainbows:The muslim also pities you too cos according to muslims you are going to Islamic hell. Goodluck with that |
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