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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 12:22pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
For the benefit of doubt... I would answer your questions Question 1 Is there any objective proof that a being created the universe? What is it? The question should be can something exist out of nothing. 'Something' placed it on motion. You might call it nature or the Big Bang, we call 'it' GOD. I wouldn't want to spend so much talking on this. I want to believe you are quite intelligent. Question 2. Every proponent of the "God exists theory" believes so based on what they heard or read. Never based on real proof. Why should I believe that the events about God in the bible or koran is true? The question is what do you consider as real proof. The benefit of the Bible is received solely through faith. But you would be wrong to say there aren't real proof. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't know what you call real proof but the Holy Spirit in me is all the proof one can need. And this has been evident (real proof) in my experience. I function so much in the gifts of the Spirit. What other proof do I need Question 3 Why is there no objective proof of miracles in this era of civilisation as it were in the era of Jesus christ and Moses? This one is quite ambiguous. I don't know what you mean. But you are sure far from the church. If you were closer, you would have seen what Jesus is doing in and through his church. Question 4. There is a very great conflict between all the gods of all the religion with each claiming their God is superior. Given that the conflict in all religion is caused by "uncertainity", wouldn't it be more efficient for God to reveal himself (or atleast with objective proof like how he established himself through elijah) physically as the true God? What exactly is your problem? The first of superiority between religions or God revealing himself?? Are you implying that you believe in his existence but aren't sure who is superior? Anyway, I wouldn't want to quote scriptures for you as you wouldn't want to take it as an authority. However, God has given us something better than fire falling from heaven (if that's what you mean by objective). He has given us (Christians) his Spirit. Talking about revealing himself, I would leave it for question 60th |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 12:22pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:23pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
inrainbows: The only ' PROOF ' That God exists is in the bible So it means Odin,Zeus,Ares,Krishna and every other God exists Then explain to me why your religion is the true one 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:25pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Lol for the first time since yesterday, I commend how you quickly trashed that out. I wonder why some people like to focus on pedantic issues and avoid the main subject. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 12:26pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:I don't care about that. The first step is acknowledging there is a supreme being which we all do. SEEE... I WAS DEEPER THAN YOU IN SUCH THOUGHTS. UNTIL GOD RESCUED ME. I AM A LIVING WITNESS TO THE GOD'S POWER. I AM TELLING YOU PEOPLE OUT OF ANGER FOR WHERE Y'ALL ARE HEADING TO IF YOU STAY LIKE THIS COS I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. THIS IS REAL! MY FAMILY RECOUNTS THIS DAILY. EVERYONE WHO KNEW ME ON A DEEP LEVEL KNOWS. IT IS A CONTINUOUS TESTIMONY IN MY LIFE THAT SHOOK MY PARENTS!!!! THIS IS REAL!!! DEMONS ARE REAL!!! ANGELS ARE REAL!!! THE SUPERNATURAL IS REAL!!!! PLEASE!!!! YOU GUYS ARE HEADING TO DAMNATION!!!! YOUR HEART CAN'T BE THIS BLOCKED!!!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!!! |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:26pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: If nothing can exists out of nothing, please explain to me how God came to be And saying the holy spirit is in you is just a product if indoctrination..you don't feel,hear or see him but you just have faith that he is there 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:28pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:scientists act by what they believe, they gave the constellations this name ,cos they believe their existence,you may be anxious to see God before you believe he exists, then how do dreams come about?? many times I dreamed it happens exactly xame way It happened in my dream, I will be like this event have occurred somewhere before ,then I may remember It occurred in my dream, what your answer to that?? you may call It hallucination 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:32pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
No offence but thus far the only proponents of religion I've noticed that still bring reasonable points to the table here is larride even if he still has a long way to go in breaking free from his indoctrination. As for the rest of you religious proponents more work will need to be done on you before you can see things clearly. But I'm glad we have made you guys stretch your thinking capacity beyond what you are exposed to on sundays at least. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:34pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
inrainbows: Really Anyway, Repent and serve the true lord 2 Likes
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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 12:34pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:thinking capacity?? lol, i laugh at you. I know people much more smarter than you in the workings of universe and science and mathematics and philosphy behind the universe and many of them are believers. Lol, thinking...am sure you don't have a doctorate or professorship or award in critical thinking areas and these people do. Lol |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:36pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1:will you protest from teaching what is in the syllabus, you are employed to teach students what is in the syllabus, so you have teach them and go ur way, a primary school teacher may tell the students that man evolved in basic science and also teach xame students that God created man from sand in CRK ,that does not make the teacher to believe in evolution ,she is just doing her job |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:37pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney: I wonder how dreams prove God's existence Anyway,dreams are a result of our brains playing tricks on us.what we dream depends on what we've done previously,or what we might intend to do later It's all just psychological |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 12:38pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: Question 5. Anyone that does not serve God will go to hell. How can we reconcile this with the concept of "free will'' Firstly, what takes a man to hell is in 'not believing' in the sacrifice of Jesus (his death and resurrection). There is a universal problem with the world and that is sin. This was a choice man made from the first man Adam. And the consequence of his choice from sin and death (hell). Don't forget that choice is a product of free will which man has. God so loves us and wouldn't want us to perish in hell and as such came as a man (Jesus) to pay for the sin of the world. Again free will comes into play. You can choose to accept his sacrifice for your sin or bear the sacrifice (consequence) by yourself. To accept is to believe he did it for you. Also note that God isn't the one punishing for sin but the one paying for sin. Christ died for our sins. Believe (accept) it and be saved. Reject (unbelieve) and die (hell) for your own sin. Whichever way, God isn't the one sending anybody to hell, you go to hell based on your choices. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:39pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney:Good response Now tell me why you believe in the creation story and not in the evolution theory Remember that there is no evidence for either |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:41pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: So a loving and caring father would Torture his children in a lake of fire for billions upon billions of centuries just because he didn't serve him Would you be supporting the concept of hell if you were in hell right now Answer this question pls |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by justlove91(m): 12:42pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
worlexy:Let's assume paranormal activities, spirit etc exist, how do they proof God's existence? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by nairaman66(m): 12:42pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney: Just confused lots using atheism as a bargaining chip for senseless talks! |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 12:46pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
nairaman66: Typical words of theists who dont know the answers,but will never admit that they dont They will just tell you to have faith or be damned in hellfire forever So basically, every Non-Christain on earth will go to hellfire 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 12:49pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1: I need to be sure we are on same page together. Do you agree that something can't exist out of nothing or not? If you agree that something can't exist out of nothing then your theories are flawed. Your Big Bang Theory and their likes would come to nothing. And if you don't agree, I would need you to do some exegesis on how to create something out of nothing. That said, Asking me how God came to be sounds foolish. Have you forgotten that we are talking of a God (creator)? Please don't lose focus. Existence is defined by location and time. The moment you try to put something into space and time, that thing is now a creation and not a creator. God is the creator. He created time and space, how can you then try defining him from what wasn't existing before God. So does God exist? Yes. In time? No. Hence the question when and how did God start existing is flawed Modified About the Holy Spirit, I feel him and hear him. But then that's not the basis of our interactions and his leading. When you exhibit the fruits and the gifts of the spirit, it's enough proof that the Holy Spirit resides in you. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 1:00pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: No one says the big bang theory is real, it's just a theory Same with the creation story, it was written in a book and you just believe it without asking logical questions about it The real TRUTH is that no one actually is sure of anything..... because no proof |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 1:04pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1: Please read my post and this time slowly... A loving Father gave himself to save the word. Jesus (the one that proceeds from the father) became a man and would forever be a man just to save man. He would deny himself equality with God just to save man. What else do you want him to do. And please you must define the word 'serve'. I never used it at least not yet. He has done all that he can do for you. Forcing his salvation on you would be going against 'free will'. The only thing we need to do is believe! Accept his payment for our sin. No love is greater than that a man lay down his life for his friends (people he love). The last analogy... When I was a Corper, I used to allow students receive cane on behalf of others. There are some students who had much pride. When other students offer to help, they wouldn't accept. Once a student (John) received the first stroke on behalf of another (Andrew). Andrew insisted that John didn't receive the cane for him. So I had to flog Andrew his complete strokes as though nobody helped him out even though in reality somebody did. Why was that? Because Andrew had a choice (free will). I would later find out that Andrew and John had a little quarrel earlier that day and as such didn't want the help of John. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by nairaman66(m): 1:14pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1: Do you know how hysterical you sound with these words? 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 1:14pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: Giving Andrew a few strokes of the cane is nothing compared to eternal torture in a burning lake of fire Why cant you understand that the concept of hell is cruel and wicked |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 1:15pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
nairaman66: You just proved my point |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 1:18pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1: Firstly, I didn't postulate any story on creation. At least not yet. Also check my post about, I have modified. However, the real TRUTH is that every creation has a beginning and a creator. If you tell me your problem is which religion is true? Then you might be in the side of logic. But claiming you aren't sure if there is a creator of the universe (or multiverse as some claim) and the galaxies and everything in it... Claiming such would be illogical and unintelligent. There's obviously a SOURCE. Science spend time trying to prove this outside God. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 1:22pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1: It's not a concept. It's choice. You have the option not to be there. If you insist on being there just to prove God isn't loving, then it would still have been your choice. Choose your choice. Lastly... The concept of helped a place where people would keep burning for billions and billions and billions of years isn't in itself correct. But explaining it here would be beyond the scope of this argument. It's better taught to Christians. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 1:24pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: modified One more thing, is your problem now the concept of hell or the existence of God. I always love that we stay with an argument and derail less. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 2:07pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: I'm not taking sides on the creation story or Big bang theory Because they are all speculations,theories and stories But one of my arguments are which religion is actually true |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by odinson1(m): 2:08pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Dolchi1: The concept of hell But,i do not claim God exists, neither do i claim he does not |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by LordReed2nd(m): 2:26pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney: What has this got to do with what I said? BTW it's not astronauts and astrologers that named the constellations but astronomers. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by LordReed2nd(m): 2:27pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: Indeed faith is personal that's one of the reasons it doesn't have objective proof. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Dolchi1: 2:29pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
odinson1: So what's your argument? Why are we having this conversation? I need to know what the issue is so I know how to respond accordingly |
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