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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by 0m0nnakoda: 5:39pm On Mar 16, 2020

Did Oshiomhole kneel?

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Emmanuelhector(m): 5:40pm On Mar 16, 2020

johnmattew:
u clearly don't know 5he kind of power oba of benin has..

oba of lagos,Olu of warri,obi of Onitsha, all kings in Edo and delta and some kings in rivers state are all under of benin

Weed smoker

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by TAO11(f): 5:40pm On Mar 16, 2020

davidnazee:

1. You are making Ife look like an empire or one mighty kingdom which it never was.

2. The title of “imperial majesty” is meant for emperors and conquerors neither of which Ooni of Ife is..

3. In comparison the Oba of Benin is an imperial majesty..

4. You are talking about official title, imperial majesty is not an official title given by Nigerian government

5. I don’t know the meaning of “Oghene” in Benin language but since u know Benin language you tell me the meaning abi..

1. You said I was making Ife look like an empire or a mighty kingdom. grin

Well, let me shock you. My name is NOT Margaret Plass. My name is NOT Erediauwa I. Neither is my name William Fagg. Nor am I a curator, authority or history expert at the British Museum.

Take it up with these authotities and experts, who noted clearly that the kings of Benin paid homage to Ile Ife, and that they regard the Oonis of Ife as gods.

I was clearly citing the experts and authorities only grin

BTW, I would love to see you cite experts rather than vomit your personal imaginations. Thanks.

2. Yes, like I have noted above:

"An emperor/Empress is a king/queen of a higher and elevated status.

All emperors/empreses are kings/queens, but NOT all kings/queens are emperor/empresses.

The Ooni of Ife is styled as His Imperial Majesty. The Oba of Benin is NOT."

3. I am still waiting for your evidence from any serious text (of course not from Nairaland or a random Facebook post) of where the Oba of Benin was ever styled as "His Imperial Majesty". Never! He dared not.

4. Furthermore, "official" means "one who holds or is invested with an office" [Merriam-Webster Dictionary].

No where does this definition say it must be a country's government. A royal styling becomes "official" as soon as the palace sanctions it. May be it's hightime you sued all your English teachers and request refunds.

And as far as I know the Benin palace never uses "His Imperial Majesty" for the Oba of Benin. They dared not.

The Ife palace on the other hand uses "His Imperial Majesty" exclusively. Benin dared not.

5. All along I had thought I was having an exchange with an Edo child who knows even the most basic stuffs of his language and history. It's a shame you don't know why Omo N'Oba N'Edo Erediauwa I admitted that the kings of Ife were known in Benin kingdom as "Oghene".

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by johnwarax(m): 5:46pm On Mar 16, 2020

kygo:
Charley, one small squabble and them go change am for am. Burn him Oracle join. Politicians no be people you fit trust at all �

Oshiomhole could not even destroy or move the fence of the Oba palace. They had to shift the road not to talk of dethroning the Oba. Except he wants to govern an empty land. Even the British colonial master had their fare share of the Benin and it’s Oba. That Kingdom are very loyal to the ruling family.

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Carlmax(m): 5:47pm On Mar 16, 2020

GidiWoodsMan:

Obaseki knelt because he's a Benin man and quite stupid too. An Esan or Etsako governor would never kneel for that dude

They will do so

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Brunicekid(m): 5:50pm On Mar 16, 2020

yarimo:
let oba of Benin do anyhow first, that is when he will know that. kneeling down by a Governor or President is just formality.

VERY TRUE

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Jaqenhghar: 5:50pm On Mar 16, 2020

Empire when the British pillaged and looted dry. They have more Benin artifacts in UK than they have in the entire Benin empire grin

The empreror is still begging the white man to return his stuff upon all his power grin

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Nobody: 5:51pm On Mar 16, 2020

johnmattew:
u clearly don't know 5he kind of power oba of benin has..

oba of lagos,Olu of warri,obi of Onitsha, all kings in Edo and delta and some kings in rivers state are all under of benin

yeye comment.

all d so called delta & bayelsa people particularly ijaw, urhobo, ishekiri & some other heartless people of d so called Niger Delta are currently invading Benin land and converting same & renaming to theirs.

Benin people are some of d weakest & coward people I have met.

Ijaws took Gelegele from them

Took Enkewan from them

took nifor from them and about to collect Udo.

Itshekiri is about to collect Ologbo community from Benins using the Iyasele of Warri .When you see weaponry of the Itshekiri, you will know Nigeria will one day fight ethnic fight that even Rwanda will be a joke. Benins are currently being decimated at Ologbo by the Itshekiri militant.

Benin has been reduce to 7 local government but in reality it is only 2 local government Benin has. you will find most benins in Oredo & Egor .

the remaining 5 is occupied by Ijaw, Urhobo, Itshekiri people.

As I type, Ijaws are already kidnapping people using Ikpoba River and this is a river at d very center of Benin city. Very shameful to come from this part of the world.

let me not talk about the influx of fulani bandits, northern beggars, terrorist from Mali, Sudan, Niger, etc.

This is why I so much like the Igbo man for not selling their ancestors land to non Igbo residents.

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by johnwarax(m): 5:54pm On Mar 16, 2020

Because the Ooni was submissive to the colonial master. The Oba Ewuare was never submissive to their indirect ruling system. The Ooni was Vulnerable and an ass licker. The Oba knew that going to exile in Calabar after being betrayed was better than being submissive.

Sewgon79:

But in history Benin Monarch was once dethrone by British colonialism and the same British colonial pay a lot of money by killing cows when inviting OONIRISA OF IFE to come out of his domain to settle a dispute in Lagos. According to history, he kill cows in every river that Ooni cross and also provide aircraft to passage Oonirisa through the journey. Read your history very well.

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by generalwo(m): 5:55pm On Mar 16, 2020

MyVILLAGEpeople:
But Gabriel Igbenedion had serious fight with the late Oba of Benin. Igbenedion even took the Oba to court. Anyways I respect the Oba of Benin and Alaafin of Oyo. Those Kings na Deities.

....the oba dealth with GO.......https://guardian.ng/features/how-pope-resolved-rift-between-igbinedion-and-oba-erediauwa/

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by johnwarax(m): 6:02pm On Mar 16, 2020

Ogebe03:

Azz lickers always in front. Even the staff bearer go hide for back

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by FromZeroToHero(m): 6:08pm On Mar 16, 2020

OBA otokpeeeee. Iseeeee

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by osaivbie7(m): 6:12pm On Mar 16, 2020

hisexcellency34:
That was during election campaign when Obaseki was a nobody. He won't kneel to greet him now

oga stop saying what you don't know, that was during the last igue festival (2019) when the governor was leading top government officials to pay homage to the Oba.

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Sewgon79(m): 6:12pm On Mar 16, 2020

Chatbot1234:

imperial is used for emperors/empresses
royal is used for kings/queen

Point of correction. Imperial is used by the Higher King that don't subject to other Kings. While His Royal is meant for kings

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by IamHonourable1: 6:16pm On Mar 16, 2020

But finally you know these kings don't deserve respect because they were still the ones conniving with the whites to sell their subjects into slavery.

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by cosmos1440: 6:17pm On Mar 16, 2020

Reminds me of this . . .

https://www.nairaland.com/978818/oba-bini-refused-gej-palace

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Nobody: 6:17pm On Mar 16, 2020

olakintanj:

Please don't forget that the governor if Edo state is the number one citizen of the state and any other persons or Oba, still line on the queue as a number.
Moreover is the only one that has the constitutional right to act in his capacity. Even the Oba of Benin is still under governor's payroll.

Well, no one is arguing that the governor of Edo is not the number 1 citizen of the state. The oba is not on the governor's payroll. Will you say the house of Assembly members are under the governor's payroll when they are paid their salaries? The oba of Benin (just like the house of Assembly members) have a certain amount he is being paid as guaranteed by the Constitution.

The bottom line is that the oba of Benin is not one who needs a certificate from the governor to become oba. He is Oba by birth. And no governor can Change that

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Sewgon79(m): 6:20pm On Mar 16, 2020

johnwarax:
Because the Ooni was submissive to the colonial master. The Oba Ewuare was never submissive to their indirect ruling system. The Ooni was Vulnerable and an ass licker. The Oba knew that going to exile in Calabar after being betrayed was better than being submissive.

Who told you, the history says that. The colonial respect OONI OF IFE. To the extent that the first time OONIRISA left his Palace when there are dispute about tradition and they try to solve it but they could not. The other oba told the British that it is only OONIRISA present that can solve the dispute. The British then has little knowledge of power of OONIRISA. They beg OONIRISA to help solve the issue, if I could recollect, OONIRISA told them if he is to come out of ife, every river he will cross, the British have to kill cow, the colonial buy 1000 cows and provide transportation to convey OONIRISA.

Moreso, when OONIRISA left Palace, all the Kings in South Western left their Palace including Oba of Benin. Because it has never happened before for OONIRISA to leave ife.

Go and ask or check Nigeria history and gazette.

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by tophumble(m): 6:26pm On Mar 16, 2020

That Wike case ehn.
By 2023 he will be out of office and his eyes will become clear

lookingfly:
while in PH wike de deal with them ��

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by johnwarax(m): 6:27pm On Mar 16, 2020

Just hearing the story for the first. But the Oba blatantly rejected all the offers from the colonial masters and no conditions where given. One thing I know is that the Benin kingdom fought colonialism

Sewgon79:

Who told you, the history says that. The colonial respect OONI OF IFE. To the extent that the first time OONIRISA left his Palace when there are dispute about tradition and they try to solve it but they could not. The other oba told the British that it is only OONIRISA present that can solve the dispute. The British then has little knowledge of power of OONIRISA. They beg OONIRISA to help solve the issue, if I could recollect, OONIRISA told them if he is to come out of ife, every river he will cross, the British have to kill cow, the colonial buy 1000 cows and provide transportation to convey OONIRISA.

Moreso, when OONIRISA left Palace, all the Kings in South Western left their Palace including Oba of Benin. Because it has never happened before for OONIRISA to leave ife.

Go and ask or check Nigeria history and gazette.

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Oritsewhandey(m): 6:34pm On Mar 16, 2020

bjdon:
The documented history of the bini kingdom is over 1000 years old. Established norms and traditions that are maintained to this day

..............................
Benin Kingdom was the first and the only to interexchange diplomatic Emissaries from Portugal & Spain and vice versa; dates back to 1723!

The only kingdom, before & during colonial time, already skillful in art of metal sculpting, as arts, war tools ...

The only kingdom, already versed in trade of courier services and money transfers from abroad and vice versa.

The only kingdom in Nigeria whose King moves around with 700 entourage.

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Sewgon79(m): 6:35pm On Mar 16, 2020

johnwarax:
Just hearing the story for the first. But the Oba blatantly rejected all the offers from the colonial masters and no conditions where given. One thing I know is that the Benin kingdom fought colonialism

I will send you a YouTube link and some fact to complement my stories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Oritsewhandey(m): 6:35pm On Mar 16, 2020

bjdon:
The documented history of the bini kingdom is over 1000 years old. Established norms and traditions that are maintained to this day

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Sewgon79(m): 6:36pm On Mar 16, 2020

Oritsewhandey:

..............................
Benin Kingdom was the first and the only to interexchange diplomatic Emissaries from Portugal & Spain and vice versa; dates back to 1723!

The only kingdom, before & during colonial time, already skillful in art of metal sculpting, as arts, war tools ...

The only kingdom, already versed in trade of courier services and money transfers from abroad and vice versa.

The only kingdom in Nigeria whose King moves around with 700 entourage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Ndipe(m): 6:37pm On Mar 16, 2020

Tradition dies hard . . .

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by ikbnice(m): 6:37pm On Mar 16, 2020

johnwarax:
Just hearing the story for the first. But the Oba blatantly rejected all the offers from the colonial masters and no conditions where given. One thing I know is that the Benin kingdom fought colonialism

https://tribuneonlineng.com/when-oba-of-benin-visited-ooni-of-ife/

Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by ikbnice(m): 6:41pm On Mar 16, 2020

Oritsewhandey:

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Benin Kingdom was the first and the only to interexchange diplomatic Emissaries from Portugal & Spain and vice versa; dates back to 1723!

The only kingdom, before & during colonial time, already skillful in art of metal sculpting, as arts, war tools ...

The only kingdom, already versed in trade of courier services and money transfers from abroad and vice versa.

The only kingdom in Nigeria whose King moves around with 700 entourage !

you are absolutely right.. That was on display when he visited the ooni... It was even quoted in the tribune thus:
``The Oba of Benin and his entourage soon arrived, in a convoy of no less than 50 vehicles, comprising jet black SUVs, saloon cars, buses, and the oba’s iconic white Rolls Royce in the midst.
“This is more than a governor’s convoy,” one observer remarked.``
https://tribuneonlineng.com/when-oba-of-benin-visited-ooni-of-ife/

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by davidnazee: 6:44pm On Mar 16, 2020

TAO11:

1. You said I was making Ife look like an empire or a mighty kingdom.

Well, let me shock you. My name is NOT Margaret Plass. My name is NOT Erediauwa I. Neither is my name William Fagg. Nor am I a curator, authority or history expert at the British Museum.

Take it up with these authotities and experts, who noted clearly that the kings of Benin paid homage to Ile Ife, and that they regard the Oonis of Ife as gods.

I was clearly citing the experts and authorities only

BTW, I would love to see you cite experts rather than vomit your personal imaginations. Thanks.

2. Yes, like I have noted above:

"An emperor/Empress is a king/queen of a higher and elevated status.

All emperors/empreses are kings/queens, but NOT all kings/queens are emperor/empresses.

The Ooni of Ife is styled as His Imperial Majesty. The Oba of Benin is NOT."

3. I am still waiting for your evidence from any serious text (of course not from Nairaland or a random Facebook post) of where the Oba of Benin was ever styled as "His Imperial Majesty". Never! He dared not.

4. Furthermore, "official" means "one who holds or is invested with an office" [Merriam-Webster Dictionary].

No where does this definition say it must be a country's government. A royal styling becomes "official" as soon as the palace sanctions it. May be it's hightime you sued all your English teachers and request refunds.

And as far as I know the Benin palace never uses "His Imperial Majesty" for the Oba of Benin. They dared not.

The Ife palace on the other hand uses "His Imperial Majesty" exclusively. Benin dared not.

5. All along I had thought I was having an exchange with an Edo child who knows even the most basic stuffs of his language and history. It's a shame you don't know why Omo N'Oba N'Edo Erediauwa I admitted that the kings of Ife were known in Benin kingdom as "Oghene".

All this you say still doesn’t make Ife an imperial power or Ooni an imperial majesty..
Any king can style themselves Imperial majesty..

As for comparing Benin to Ife I won’t argue that with you because you already know Ife was never an empire or a force to reckon with.

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by ikbnice(m): 6:48pm On Mar 16, 2020

Sewgon79:

Point of correction. Imperial is used by the Kings that no other Kings is higher than. While His Royal is meant for king

Oba Ewuare, during his visit to the ooni of ife, in his speech which was quoted in the tribune thus:
“I want to say it gives me great pleasure to visit His Imperial Majesty today in countinuation of my nationwide thank you call to traditional rulers, and other eminent personalities that graced my coronation on October 20, 2016, which by the divine grace of God is also my birthday. This visit has long been planned but due traditional and other palace engagements in Benin, it is coming at this time. My post-coronation thank-you tour commenced with a visit last year to President Buhari and the Sultan of Sokoto. I thank God for making this visit possible.
https://tribuneonlineng.com/when-oba-of-benin-visited-ooni-of-ife/

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by 0m0nnakoda: 6:50pm On Mar 16, 2020

Meninmen:

Well, no one is arguing that the governor of Edo is not the number 1 citizen of the state. The oba is not on the governor's payroll. Will you say the house of Assembly members are under the governor's payroll when they are paid their salaries? The oba of Benin (just like the house of Assembly members) have a certain amount he is being paid as guaranteed by the Constitution.

The bottom line is that the oba of Benin is not one who needs a certificate from the governor to become oba. He is Oba by birth. And no governor can Change that

He needs a staff of office which Oshiomhole gave him,

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Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by Starfall: 6:51pm On Mar 16, 2020

Starfall:
What I believe is that no king is greater than the government, if you have a crazy governor in power he will do and un do to any king no matter the status. it might later have repercussion on him and his household but what has spoit has spoilt

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