pazienza:


Ikwerre, Etche, Ekpeye and Ogba are not Igbos.
These people are opportunists and resents you as an Igbo more than they do Yorubas and Hausas.
I know it's painful, but it's the truth. Accept it, make peace with it, learn from it, let the pain serve as a motivation to make Igbo great.

I stand for Igbo Unity (SE plus Umuezekhoha and whatever is remaining of Enuani who are still comfortable with their Igbo identity and have no Igbophobia, if with time they all turn Igbophobic, then we must discard them too).

The Igbo is sick and dying because we have too many necrotic tissues (Opportunists ) attached to us.
We need to totally excise all the dead tissues attached to us, so that we can heal and grow once again.
It's about time we started this important project.
I still stand for Igbo unity. Ikwerre, Etche, Ekpeye Ogba and what other Igboid out there that is not comfortable with being Igbo ARE not Igbos.
Anyone thinking of allowing those opportunists to continue taking advantage of Ndiigbo, by classifying them as Igbos is not a friend of Ndiigbo.

selemempe:
the Ikas deny being Igbo the most... much more than even ikwere can ever do and they even have a strong bases for that, their language is not intelligible with normal igbo....but guess what, when Godwin Emefiele was made CBN governor Buhari himself claimed that he gave Igbos the most important portfolios in his government...lol

The rest of Nigeria will come together to give these people what is due to Igbos to spite us... your shouting that they are not igbo is not new to anyone. Ikwere and ika are both registered ethnic groups in Nigeria constitution yet talk with an average yoruba, he will tell you they are igbos...I repeat that is what you must make peace with and accept and leverage on.
For now we win if we include them..we lose nothing by including them... but whether we include them or not will never stop Nigerians from including them when it suits other Nigerians
Peter Odili lost the chance of being VP because he was Igbo...yet it was obj who included his tribe as an ethnic group in 1979

MelesZenawi:


His state pays nothing to Ohanaeze, it is a well known fact. How do you expect anything from them when they have their own ogbakor, and others have their own group..

As for Ansg, nwodo made the statement by himself, so it is not a folklore...It is a reality...not matter of don't go there.


And I love that, wasting scarce resources on con-men.....Is either you go back to your people or your state contributes what others are contributing.

of course if our interest involves throwing ikwere under the bus I will be the first person to show up.
But my position remains that Ikwere are Igbo for now. You know why?

I have realized that whenever I say that, I get to kill multiple birds with one stone. I get to piss off hateful ikwere, Yoruba and ijaw posters here who badly want Igbo fragmented and I get to possibly win a few ikwere and other Nigerians over who sit on the fence. I don't lose anything by saying it.

No matter how you badly want the majority of Igbos to stop seeing ikwere as Igbo, that will not happen. And no Matter how you badly want the rest of Nigeria to see ikwere as independent, they will always see them as igbos when it pleases them and see them as non-igbos when they want. That is what you need to make peace with not the fact that Ikwere say they are not Igbo....they have been saying that long before any of us were born...yet these topics come up everyday here, why?

So the best thing is for you to leverage on that. You already know that no igbo man even the most emotional one will accept to give an Ikwere man what is due to south east...so the narrative you are pushing is already the current status quo... you are not doing anything new

I will Simply walk into this type of thread, say that Ikwere is Igbo, piss many people off and walk out while knowing that an Ikwere man gets no special favours from me.

Ojiofor:


Obiana does not own Anambra state and his tenure will soon end.
Every sub group in Igbo land have their own cultural organisaitons while Ohanaeze Ndigbo is the umbrella body that binds them together.
I don't wish to go back and forth with you its already at 16th page.Until Ikwerri pullout from Ohanaeze Ndigbo and other Igbo groups we deserve the right to see them as Igbos regardless of their ethnic politics.

pazienza:
selemempe:



You can't throw Ikwerres under the bus when doing so is vital and expedient to furthering Igbo interests, when you have Ikwerre people like Okwukwu in your apex organizations where you are supposed to discuss on secret agendas.
You seem to be contraindicating yourself.



Igbo fragmented since 1970. It got redefined. It's the truth we have to deal with, and after 50yrs of trying to pretend like nothing changed, i think it's time we accept things as they currently are and work with with we have, which is still alot.
Igbos holding unto the self destructive opinion of Ikwerre and their co-travellers in Rivers being Igbo, is akin to a man whose leg is dead and decaying, saying that the doctors should not amputate the leg, because he doesn't want his enemies to see that he is now crippled and mock him for it.
It's a stupid thing to do, because the toxins from the decayed legs would certainly kill the man, yet the enemies all still know that the man is as good as a man without legs, since the decayed legs can't help the man stand, let alone walk or run. Worst still, the enemies would even be happy to have the decayed leg stay attached to the man because they know it would eventually kill the man.

But if the man can accept his present realities, get the necrotic leg amputated, he can then work on getting high tech prosthetic limbs, he can live and do lots of things, he can even invest in body part transplant researches that would one day see him live to see a day he could be transplanted with another organic limb that is 100% as good as his own, he could live to give birth to children who would have limbs, he can do alot of things. All he need to do is accept his current reality and work with it.



Well, the Igbo will eventually come to the reality that Ikwerres are toxic to us as a people, and do the needful by expelling all Ikwerres from Igbo gatherings.
We would definitely do this, if we ever wish to move on and grow again as a dominant group. There is no two ways about it.
No Igboman who lives in Rivers state want to have anything to do with Ikwerres and their likes . It's usually ignorant Igbos who are totally ignorant of the reality on ground that run along with the Ikwerres bu Igbo delusions, based on interactions with one or two opportunist Ikwerres they met outside Rivers state.



I will not give up on Ndigbo, I will continue providing to us with the bitter truth, it is my utmost belief that the Igbo are a wise people, and that my contributions so far on this issue must have sparked off deep retrospective thinking in the minds of any Igbo person that comes across my posts so far.




I joined NL years ago as a teenager, only because I seek to promote Igbo advancement, and to debunk attempts by bitter Nigerian groups to paint Ndiigbo black , I have stayed true to this Igbo improvement agenda of mine. To that purpose, I have over the years continuously defended Igbo interests here and provided my opinions on what I genuinely believe is the way forward for Ndiigbo.

pazienza:
selemempe:



You can't throw Ikwerres under the bus when doing so is vital and expedient to furthering Igbo interests, when you have Ikwerre people like Okwukwu in your apex organizations where you are supposed to discuss on secret agendas.
You seem to be contraindicating yourself.



Igbo fragmented since 1970. It got redefined. It's the truth we have to deal with, and after 50yrs of trying to pretend like nothing changed, i think it's time we accept things as they currently are and work with with we have, which is still alot.
Igbos holding unto the self destructive opinion of Ikwerre and their co-travellers in Rivers being Igbo, is akin to a man whose leg is dead and decaying, saying that the doctors should not amputate the leg, because he doesn't want his enemies to see that he is now crippled and mock him for it.
It's a stupid thing to do, because the toxins from the decayed legs would certainly kill the man, yet the enemies all still know that the man is as good as a man without legs, since the decayed legs can't help the man stand, let alone walk or run, and worst still. The enemies would even be happy to have the decayed leg attached to the man because they know it would eventually kill the man.

But if the man can accept his present realities, get the necrotic leg amputated, he can then work on getting high tech prosthetic limbs, he can live and do lots of things, he can even invest in body part transplant researches that would one day see him live to see a day he could be transplanted with another organic limb that is 100% as good as his own, he could live to give birth to children who would have limbs, he can do alot of things. All need do is accept his current reality and work with it.



Well, the Igbo will eventually come to the reality that Ikwerres are toxic to us as a people, and do the needful by expelling all Ikwerres from Igbo gatherings.
We would definitely do this, if we ever wish to move on and grow again as a dominant group. There is no two ways about it.
No Igboman who lives in Rivers state want to have anything to do with Ikwerres and their likes . It's usually ignorant Igbos who are totally ignorant of the reality on ground that run along with the Ikwerres bu Igbo delusions, based on interactions with one or two opportunist Ikwerres they met outside Rivers state.



I will not give up on Ndigbo, I will continue providing the us with the bitter truth, it is my utmost belief that the Igbo are a wise people, and that my contributions so far on this issue must have sparked off deep retrospective thinking in the minds of any Igbo person that comes across my posts so far.




I joined NL years ago as a teenager, only because I seek to promote Igbo advancement, and to debunk attempts by bitter Nigerian groups to paint Ndiigbo black. To that purpose, I have over the years continuously defended Igbo interests here and provided my opinions on what I genuinely believe is the way forward for Ndiigbo.

MelesZenawi:




They are already out. So I wonder the pulling out you are expecting again. They already have their own ogbakor Ikwerre.

The rest you have in Ohanaeze are con-men feeding fat and okay on your own group....

Pulling out..more like spitting the sugar someone put in your mouth out..

Ona eme nwamba ejeghi na igbudu, O dika ka Okoro anu anoro ya....



Ngwa,Owerri,Okigwe,Orlu,Nsukka,Onitsha,Umu Isu etc....all have the their own Ogbakors and what is the meaning of Ogbakor?
Just like every Nigerian leader is feeding fat at the expense of the mass,is there any difference,even Nwodo.
They should pullout from Ohanaeze and join Bini group that will end it.

Ojiofor:
Ngwa,Owerri,Okigwe,Orlu,Nsukka,Onitsha,Umu Isu etc....all have the their own Ogbakors and what is the meaning of Ogbakor?
Just like every Nigerian leader is feeding fat at the expense of the mass,is there any difference,even Nwodo.
They should pullout from Ohanaeze and join Bini group that will end it.

MelesZenawi:


They have already pulled out and registered themselves as an ethnic group..

What more do you need from them to tell you they are on a serious course.

Any I salute their doggedness.

Ojiofor:


When did Igbo,Hausa and Yoruba registered as ethnic groups in Nigeria.
Registered like a company abi?

ChinenyeN:


Igbo is not a nation. We do not recognize a single pan-Igbo flag. We don't even recognize Ohaneze as an authority that we listen to. That's three strikes for your position. There is far more work that needs to be done to show without question that an Igbo nationhood exists. We don't have that right now.

I'm talking about the here and now when it comes to convincing Ikwerre. I'm looking at an actual historical and present day track record, but you're looking at a future and dream that you have which includes them. I am certainly not the one being presumptuous here.

MelesZenawi:



Ikwerre aside, every other statement you made here is useless..

Igbo is a nation..Infact Igbo nation and you have no right to dictate or question the history of your fathers. It was handed down from generation to generation and you have to go by it.

Well no need explaining, as watchdogs any misbehavior will be corrected by us Immediately..

MelesZenawi:


Registered and recognised... Consult ministry of information and culture....to learn better.

MelesZenawi:



They will beat him up in Ikwerreland. Let him try and enter there.

selemempe:
the Ikas deny being Igbo the most... much more than even ikwere can ever do and they even have a strong bases for that, their language is not intelligible with normal igbo....but guess what, when Godwin Emefiele was made CBN governor Buhari himself claimed that he gave Igbos the most important portfolios in his government...lol

The rest of Nigeria will come together to give these people what is due to Igbos to spite us... your shouting that they are not igbo is not new to anyone. Ikwere and ika are both registered ethnic groups in Nigeria constitution yet talk with an average yoruba, he will tell you they are igbos...I repeat that is what you must make peace with and accept and leverage on.
For now we win if we include them..we lose nothing by including them... but whether we include them or not will never stop Nigerians from including them when it suits other Nigerians
Peter Odili lost the chance of being VP because he was Igbo...yet it was obj who included his tribe as an ethnic group in 1979

Dedetwo:


Have you inquired what LGA consist Ikwerr in Rivers State? Even PH LGA is not regarded as Ikwerr.

hammerT:



TILL TOMORROW YORUBA REGARD IKWERE AS IGBO DENIERS, BUT IGBO.


I SEE NO POINT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THIS DECEPTION.

fastseo:


They are igbos. Their names and language are well understood by igbos..

Igbos and them answer same names but politics of Nigeria and the civil war thing made them to isolate themselves to be more acceptable to other Nigerians.

But if riot should broke up in the North. And u mention your name as an ikwere man... Then you will know that the average aboki regard ikwere as igbos

Dedetwo:


Bros, you are correct however not everybody from Ikwerr was goofed. Oriji and Biriye were the two arrowhead on Gowon good ears to create Rivers State. However things went terribly wrong for the Ikwerr people. Most of them were caught in a bad headlight. Diete-Spiff's government in exile had Igbo guys who promptly resigned from it. Any Ikwerr or Ika or Ukwuani person who denied his or her Igbo ancestral lineage has a Yoruba person as either a mother, wife, In-law or a friend.

Dedetwo:


Every living Ijo benefited from the abandoned property.

You are a true igbo son and I won't say anything to the contrary because we disagree in this topic. However your analogy about dead legs and so doesn't fit. As at today today today, we lose nothing if we add ikwere into igbo. Nobody is laughing at Igbos and hoping that we keep attaching to ikwere and get burnt...for one they hope we will stop saying ikwere is Igbo

You act as if ikwere are a bad people waiting in a corner to take what is coming to igbos when that is actually not what is on ground. They are actually every day people with a lot to worry about daily other than Igbo or identity. You were insulted by an Ikwere for being Igbo...so? What about the ikwere who are putting Igbo on the map like Tonto dike, Monalisa Chinda etc?
When posts like these come up, why do you think Yoruba posters always tell us to 'leave them alone they say they are not igbos'? You think it's because they care about us or Ikwerre? Lol...

It's always good practice for igbos to do the exact opposite of what yorubas want

MelesZenawi:


Are you not contradicting yourself...

Then why forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo since they have chosen their Identity as Ikwerre.

Amarabae:

Tell your Nnamdi kanu to step his feet in ikwerre land and preach his nonsense.
You yourself, leave nairaland, go to any ikwerre communities, gather some youths and tell them this nonsense.
If you don't return back handicapped, I will forward 100,000 naira to you.
Ikwerres are NOT and will NEVER be Igbos.
Let me stop here .

pazienza:


Of course, Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB hierarchy know the truth. We call them "Eze na aghogbu ndi ha na-achi ".
He knows fully well the Igbophobic nature of Rumu Ikwerre. They would have disgraced him if he dared entered Rumu villages, so Baba kwukwuma limited his "Tutugaga na yayadudu " at Oyigbo, when he visited Rivers state, knowing fully well that Obiigbo people are proud Igbos.

I hate self deception. I will never be part of it.

gidgiddy:


Their identity is already Ikwerre, there is nothing to choose. Ikwerre being Igbo depends on the Ikwerre you meet. Former Governor Chibuike Amaechi will proudly say he is an Igbo man. The current Secretary-General of Ohanaeze is Uche Okwukwu, an Ikwerre man and proud Igbo man. Some Ikwerres say they are not Igbos, others say they are not while others are neutral. So stop deceiving anyone that the entire Ikwerre said they are not Igbos.

But regardless of the Ikwerre that says he is Igbo and the Ikwerre that says he is not, what matters is the future. Wether Igbo or Ikwerre, nobody is happy with Nigeria.

pazienza:


Stop deceiving yourself.
Ikwerre is a fully fledged independent ethnic nationality with an apex body known as Ogbakor Ikwerre.
The position of Ogbakor Ikwerre is that Ikwerre are not Igbos. This position also represents the wishes of the vast great majority of Ikwerre commoners.
However, because of people like you who have refused to learn , an average Ikwerre man knows fully well that he can claim Igbo whenever there is something to benefit from doing such, especially when he or she is outside Rivers state, or hope to play at the national level, where he knows that Igbo population can be of use to him.

It's the typical use and dump, and we have allowed this to go on for too long because we have too many emotionally weak ones in our midst. Amaechi Rotimi is probably looking forward to vying for president as Igbo man tomorrow, because Ndiigbo have decided to be foolish.
It's 50years and counting now since this started, and I say we end it now. Come on!

ChinenyeN:


You still continue making a great many assumptions about me just to make your point. It's not helping. Simply say that you want to include Ikwerre because you think you can leverage them to put Igbo on the map. You want to include Ikwerre in an all-encompassing Igbo nation. As I have already said, that is fine, if that is your dream, though I believe it can be achieved in other ways and that you don't need Ikwerre for that. If Ikwerre is going to join, then it would do so of its own accord.