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Gabkosh:
Only Fools believe igboland without any coastline is not landlocked.

Only fools believe that igboland with tributaries washing into the ocean is Landlocked.

Gabkosh:
Thank you o

Yoruba that has a sea boundary-stretching hundreds of miles what have y'all done with it! your brightest and best youth are still doing vigils at western embassies in a bid to flee the animal farm you and the feudal north so diligently created. please go and create your destiny and leave Ndigbo to seek their manifest destiny. leave us alone.

Well written only dumb skulls will be making silly argument that doesn't hold water


The Niger River Commission was also tasked with ensuring the safety and control of navigation and facilitating the movement of vessels.

post=89643238:
Kindly read this below from international water governance website on River Niger

http://www.internationalwatersgovernance.com/niger-basin.html

Stop bringing rubbish.

Help yourself

Definition of landlocked. 1 : enclosed or nearly enclosed by land a landlocked country. 2 : confined to fresh water by some barrier landlocked salmon. 3 : living or located away from the ocean a landlocked sailor.

afube:
Yoruba that has a sea boundary-stretching hundreds of miles what have y'all done with it! your brightest and best youth are still doing vigils at western embassies in a bid to flee the animal farm you and the feudal north so diligently created. please go and create your destiny and leave Ndigbo to seek their manifest destiny. leave us alone.

Story for the Osus. It does not stopped you from being landlocked. That is a topic for another day. Kpele

sesan85:
Uche Okoye the cretinous dumbass, does it mean Mali is not landlocked because the River Niger also passes through there? Sub-slowpoke!

another cretinous mufutau mumudeen crawls out from mushin to enter Igbo mention..... what is it with these ppl.

Gabkosh:
The states that are not landlocked in Nigeria, that is that has coastline with the sea or ocean. And not passing through others using Rivers are

Lagos
Ondo
Ogun
Bayelsa
Rivers
Akwa ibom
Cross river.

Southwest region and south south region.

Include Delta

Gabkosh:
Story for the Osus. It does not stopped you from being landlocked. That is a topic for another day. Kpele

Pained tribal bigot, keep on hating while Igbos are progressing.

Gabkosh:
Stop bringing rubbish.

Help yourself

Definition of landlocked. 1 : enclosed or nearly enclosed by land a landlocked country. 2 : confined to fresh water by some barrier landlocked salmon. 3 : living or located away from the ocean a landlocked sailor.

Dumb what I post is law guiding River Niger same law is guidling Danube River many countries are using, it's not Oduduwa law, I know you guys are bitter to hear this

helinues:
Make I let you be cos you are only repeating yourself without disputing my questions.

Have a wonderful weekend

you're the ignorant one.

First of all I'm Benin not Igbo or ipob and I believe every ethnic group have the right to self determination.

There are different types of landlocked.

Igboland can access Atlantic ocean without passing any ethnic group "land". That's called partially landlocked.

Completely landlocked means completely enclosed within a country or two.

Igboland isn't completely surrounded by land by another ethnic groups. They have a water body to access the ocean.

post=89642908:
Is River Niger not international water

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Can you tell us how Uganda operates with Kenya and Tanzania?. .
Ethiopia operates with Eritrea?
How Chad operates with Nigeria and Cameron?
And how Burkina Faso and Mali operates with cote dvoire?

Is it that they just have access to the sea just like that?

Danube River rout to Black Sea used by many countries

Tissaia:
It’s A Lie: Igboland Is Not Landlocked By Aloy Ejimakor
Ndigbo are undoubtedly an indigenous people presently lying within Nigeria. So, international law will surely come into play if a conflict arises out of Nigeria’s persistent institutional resistance to granting a seaport to Igboland.

BY ALOY EJIMAKORMAY 17, 2020

It’s often said that a lie told so many times, if unchallenged, may - in course of time - begin to pass for the truth. One of such is the terrible lie, institutionally purveyed since the end of the Civil War, to the effect that Igboland is landlocked or that it has no access to the sea. The purpose of this essay, therefore, is to debunk that lie with some simple historical and topographical evidence that are even in plain view, if you care to dig or do some physical exploration of your own.


Suffice it to say that it is a profound tragedy that entire generations of the immediate post-War Igbos never bordered to check but seemingly accepted this brazen institutional falsehood, largely intended to taunt the Igbo and put them down. A few that knew it to be false just didn’t care anymore. That History was banned since the end of the Civil War made it worse, plus the fact that most people don’t take physical Geography that serious anymore, otherwise they would have known that Abia, Imo and Anambra States have varying short-distance paths to the Atlantic Ocean through Imo, Azumiri and Niger Rivers. It’s not really rocket science, as you can easily confirm this if you know how to read Google Earth; or conquer your fear of swamp snakes and walk through these areas on foot.

There are also many other hardly explored waterways and slithering tributaries, including the remote reaches of Oguta Lake and Oseakwa River in Ihiala (Imo State) that meandered through Igbo-delta wetlands to the Southeastern ends of the Atlantic waterfront. These rivers have varying lengths of short navigational paths to the Atlantic, and in some cases, are far shorter nautically (and even on footpath) than the Portharcourt, Calabar and Ibaka seaports are to their side of the Atlantic.

Many of these pathways, including particularly the ones from the outer reaches of Imo and Azumiri Rivers terminate at the Atlantic at no more than 15 to 30 Nautical miles to the beachhead. To put it in lay language, one nautical mile equals 1.8 kilometers. Thus, the contiguity of Southeast (not even the greater Igboland) to the Atlantic is less nautical miles than the Atlantic is to the seaports in Calabar, Onne, Ibaka, Lagos and Portharcourt. If you discount the territories excised from Igboland during State creations and the damnable boundary adjustments, it will be far less.

To be sure, Ikwerre land or Igweocha which bears the greater portions of the Portharcourt seaport was dredged up to 50 miles to the Atlantic front through the Bonny River. Onne seaport was dredged up to 60 Miles to the Atlantic and Calabar seaport was dredged 45 nautical miles to the Atlantic. Ibaka seaport is about 30 nautical miles to the Atlantic and the Lagos seaports dredged up to about 50 nautical miles to the Atlantic.

Compare all these to Obuaku in Abia State, which is only 25 nautical miles to the Atlantic from the confluence of Imo and Azumiri River which itself separately lies not more than 30 nautical miles to the Atlantic beachfront. The less obvious one is the little-known Oseakwa River in Ihiala (Imo State) which is mere 18 nauticals to the Atlantic, all with its 65 feet of natural depth, unarguably comparable to no other River in Nigeria.

Additionally, what is geopolitically known as Igboland today is far smaller than what it was and legally supposed to be. As far back as 1856, Baikie - one of the earliest and credible Geographers of ancient Nigeria, had this to say - “Igbo homeland, extends east and west, from the Old Kalabar river to the banks of the Kwora, Niger River, and possesses also some territory at Aboh, an Igbo clan, to the west-ward of the latter stream. On the north it borders on Igara, Igala and A'kpoto, and it is separated from the sea only by petty tribes, all of which trace their origin to this great race" (Baikie, William Balfour, published with a sanction of Her Majesty's Government in 1856).

But with that infamous post-War abandoned property policy and the egregious institutional injustices in boundary adjustments and the widespread anti-Igbo gerrymandering, Igbos physically and psychologically lost their vested ancestral lands, all to the point of not caring anymore about their historical contiguity to the Atlantic, which their ancestors beheld and called the ‘Great Sea’. The psychological beat-down got so bad that some of the descendants of these Igbo ancestors (nearest to the Atlantic and now lying outside Southeast) are no longer sure whether they are Igbo or not.

The worst injustice was In 1976 when the Justice Nasir Boundary Adjustment Commission made a serious and targeted agenda of carving out core Igboland territories into some neighboring States of the South-South. But they didn’t quite make an absolute success of it. They missed the southernmost Southeast lands that possess Rivers that meandered through slices of Igbo-friendly South-South territories and ended up at the Atlantic, thus unwittingly placing Igboland and its right of access to the sea under the canons of customary international law.

As it stands, international law of the sea guarantees Igboland (whether it remains Nigerian territory or not) unhindered access to the nearest sea (in this case: the Atlantic) peacefully by the many short-distance rivers, waterways and tributaries that originated from Igboland but ultimately washed into the Atlantic through contiguous South-South territories. For avoidance of doubt, there’s particularly the Obuaku confluence in Ukwa West (Abia State) that flows through Ikot Abasi in Akwa Ibom State before expanding out and washing into the near-reaches of the Atlantic. And the River Niger which ultimately joined the Atlantic through a vast network of hardly explored creeks and mangrove swamps that abut the Bight of Bonny in the South-South.

Nigeria is subject to the International Law of the Sea and is therefore bound to abide by its provisions, should the need arise in a scenario of persistent sovereign oppression of an identifiable indigenous group. The others are the United Nations Treaty of the Sea and the African Union Treaties and Conventions on the Sea, including particularly the African Charter on Human and People’s Rights, which Nigeria ratified and domesticated in 1983. The pertinent provisions are mostly embedded in the copious provisions relating to the collective economic and commercial rights of indigenous peoples lying within the Treaty nations. Ndigbo are undoubtedly an indigenous people presently lying within Nigeria. So, international law will surely come into play if a conflict arises out of Nigeria’s persistent institutional resistance to granting a seaport to Igboland.

Aloy Ejimakor is a Legal Practitioner.

http://saharareporters.com/2020/05/17/it%E2%80%99s-lie-igboland-not-landlocked-aloy-ejimakor
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This Aloy Ejimakor is unintelligent. He is educated but remains intelligently deficient.

If continuity of a water body from source to the sea defines right of access to the ocean then Kebbi State, which hosts a lengthy portion of river Niger, and from where, following in Aloy's logic, one can make his way down, either sailing or walking, ultimately after many days into the Delta and then the ocean, has right of acess to the ocean and is not landlocked.

post=89643552:
Dumb what I post is law guiding River Niger same law is guidling Danube River many countries are using, it's not Oduduwa law, I know you guys are bitter to hear this

What is good for Imo access to sea, via Imo river, is good for Kebbi access to sea, via Niger river, by the various conventions you have highlighted.

Do you disagree?

maestroferddi:
You are obviously simple-minded.

The context of landlocked here is principally centered on access to the sea. Nobody has told you the South East is coastal to the Atlantic as any half-wit can get themselves a map to see things....

We have been telling you that in the event of self-determination the vessels and cargo from the South East can reach international waters by virtue of international waterways passing through her territory.

You are just here to make noxious noise...Try to raise your game, ogbeni...

They thought shouting landlocked will make igbos back down on their agitation for Biafra.They will be disappointed when eventually, Biafra is restored and ships coming and going from Biafra. Their hope is that, when oil value is no more Biafra import and export duties will be their source of revenue, but they have failed. Thank God igbos are wiser and stronger.

MetaPhysical:
What is good for Imo access to sea, via Imo river, is good for Kebbi access to sea, via Niger river, by the various conventions you have highlighted.

Do you disagree?

North can have access to the ocean through river Niger, it an international waterways.

KingOKON:
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Can you tell us how Uganda operates with Kenya and Tanzania?. .
Ethiopia operates with Eritrea?
How Chad operates with Nigeria and Cameron?
And how Burkina Faso and Mali operates with cote dvoire?

Is it that they just have access to the sea just like that?

I just show the international law on River Niger, Igboland isn't far from ocean , unlike those countries you mentioned, cost of dredging and maintaining River Niger to those countries is huge, if they can take up the cost nobody will stop them that the law, do Nigeria stop Cameroon from opening Lagdo Dam that often overflow River Niger

All these IPOB rats that are shouting international water laws upandan and quoting Danube whatever agreements, just ask Ethiopia how much they pay using the port of Djibouti?
Why is Uganda now diverting from Kenya to Tanzania?
I pity all these IPOB rats that learning NONSENSE from their illiterate leader call KANU

MetaPhysical:
This Aloy Ejimakor is unintelligent. He is educated but remains intelligently deficient.

If continuity of a water body from source to the sea defines right of access to the ocean then Kebbi State, which hosts a lengthy portion of river Niger, and from where, following in Aloy's logic, one can make his way down, either sailing or walking, ultimately after many days into the Delta and then the ocean, has right of acess to the ocean and is not landlocked.

Before you don’t know that if river Niger runs through kebbi state and if kebbi state is a country, kebbi have right to sail it ships through river Niger to reach the ocean as a member country of river Niger international waterways.

You guys should learn to educate yourselves and not sounding uneducated in a public forum. gosh!

Odingo1:
Before you don’t know that if river Niger runs through kebbi state and if kebbi state is a country, kebbi have right to sail it ships through river Niger to reach the ocean as a member country of river Niger international waterways.

You should learn to educate yourselves and not sounding uneducated in a public forum. gosh!

Odingo, where have you been? I miss you around here.

Bloody tout!
Oluomo is looking for candidate to Chair the Onitsha Bridgehead Touts branch. I'll put word in that you qualify.

KingOKON:
All these IPOB rats that are shouting international water laws upandan and quoting Danube whatever agreements, just ask Ethiopia how much they pay using the port of Djibouti?
Why is Uganda now diverting from Kenya to Tanzania?
I pity all these IPOB rats that learning NONSENSE from their illiterate leader call KANU

Do they have international waterways in those countries you mentioned.

Go and read about river Nile also.

post=89644071:
I just show the international law on River Niger, Igboland isn't far from ocean , unlike those countries you mentioned, cost of dredging and maintaining River Niger to those countries is huge, if they can take up the cost nobody will stop them that the law, do Nigeria stop Cameroon from opening Lagdo Dam that often overflow River Niger

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Rubbish! Too far compare to d cost, you know NATIN
Ethiopia, Uganda would have done that, if you think you gonna dredge down to the Atlantic using your rubbish international law without coastal states agreeing you better stop dreaming!

MetaPhysical:
Odingo, where have you been? I miss you around here.

Bloody tout!
Oluomo is looking for candidate to Chair the Onitsha Bridgehead Touts branch. I'll put word in that you qualify.

I dey o, na quarantine make Person lie low.

Oluomo is more refined person now and good to go

post=89644071:
I just show the international law on River Niger, Igboland isn't far from ocean , unlike those countries you mentioned, cost of dredging and maintaining River Niger to those countries is huge, if they can take up the cost nobody will stop them that the law, do Nigeria stop Cameroon from opening Lagdo Dam that often overflow River Niger

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What is a dam to a port? Do you know anything at All

KingOKON:
All these IPOB rats that are shouting international water laws upandan and quoting Danube whatever agreements, just ask Ethiopia how much they pay using the port of Djibouti?
Why is Uganda now diverting from Kenya to Tanzania?
I pity all these IPOB rats that learning NONSENSE from their illiterate leader call KANU

What's the treaties on River nile

KingOKON:
All these IPOB rats that are shouting international water laws upandan and quoting Danube whatever agreements, just ask Ethiopia how much they pay using the port of Djibouti?
Why is Uganda now diverting from Kenya to Tanzania?
I pity all these IPOB rats that learning NONSENSE from their illiterate leader call KANU

Stop abusing. We are patiently waiting for that time to come, then, everybody will know the true meaning of being landlocked.

Odingo1:
Do they have international waterways in those countries you mentioned.

Go and read about river Nile also.

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If u do read u won't be asking me this dumb questions

KingOKON:
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Rubbish! Too far compare to d cost, you know NATIN
Ethiopia, Uganda would have done that, if you think you gonna dredge down to the Atlantic using your rubbish international law without coastal states agreeing you better stop dreaming!

Dumb read this, it's not Oduduwa law

post=89644071:
I just show the international law on River Niger, Igboland isn't far from ocean , unlike those countries you mentioned, cost of dredging and maintaining River Niger to those countries is huge, if they can take up the cost nobody will stop them that the law, do Nigeria stop Cameroon from opening Lagdo Dam that often overflow River Niger

Azimini blue river washes into Atlantic Ocean. Case closed.

KingOKON:
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Rubbish! Too far compare to d cost, you know NATIN
Ethiopia, Uganda would have done that, if you think you gonna dredge down to the Atlantic using your rubbish international law without coastal states agreeing you better stop dreaming!

Ethiopia and Uganda is not located on any international waterways. Name one country that have river Nile or river Niger running through its territory that is having problems in navigating through the waterways.

post=89644071:
I just show the international law on River Niger, Igboland isn't far from ocean , unlike those countries you mentioned, cost of dredging and maintaining River Niger to those countries is huge, if they can take up the cost nobody will stop them that the law, do Nigeria stop Cameroon from opening Lagdo Dam that often overflow River Niger

Speak like you acquired academic knowledge while in school. Stop speaking like a fulani almajiri.

This topic is about landlock and what excludes Iboland from such designation. Aloy said rivers in Iboland and their proximity to sea. Its a failed argument to use rivers and its a relative scale to use proximity.

Kebbi has river than enters sea.
Kebbi also has proximity to sea by relativity.

Kebbi can also be excluded from landlocked states.

In fact, no state in Nigeria is landlocked since everyone of them in the North and Middle Belt has a river that either is a tributary or directly on Niger and Benue and both empty onto Atlantic....as well those in the South that empty into swaps on the Atlantic.


How far do we want to filter geographical attributes to include or exclude landlocked states?

gidgiddy:
Theres a difference between being landlocked and having access to the sea. In the map below, anyone can see that the Azumini blue River runs from the tip of Abia state into the ocean. With the right dredging, ships and badges can easily sail to, and from, Abia state

Thanks, this is a very simple issue. A very simple issue that the ethnic bigots bashing themselves on this thread lacks the ability to understand.

Landlocked ≠ not having access to the sea.