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Olu317:
You people underestimated Yoruba ancestors largely because, we have not match them pound for pound intellectually because they remained superior to us.

That has nothing to does with the fictional Hebrew.

As a matter of fact, its because of these type of foreign extremist religions that peddle false narratives similar to the incorrect notion you present here.

Olu317:
Interestingly, the written English KJV Bible was in 1611 or thereabout,which had a different language,closely associated with Aramaic.

Everyone knows that the bible is fake, you cannot possibly use that as a credible source.

Olu317:
Hebrew were fiction?

Yes, Hebrew is based on fiction.

Olu317:
If Hebrww were fiction , then account of Assyrian text written when Israel , Gaza etc, were over ran by her won't appear. Perhaps, I will post the information on Assyrian control over Levants and neighboring places in your response.

Again, post your sources.

My speciality is world history, there's nowhere in genuine Asian history that talks of Hebrew.

The Hebrew narrative is based on fakery and falsehood.

The greatest peddlers of the fictitious Hebrew peoples are known to us as the 'Hebrew Israelites' and their narratives are based on literature, no substantial evidence whatsoever.

You must be a member of the 'Hebrew Israelites'.

Dude, you argument is flawed.

macof:
1. Homophones are not mostly of the same thought
Check any examples of homophones and more than half the words are not etymologically related.

Eye / I
Bare / bear
be / bee
Sauce / source
Too / two

Then examples of etymologically related ones are
Brake / break


Sure you could call my examples biased but I'd like to see anyone make a list from the top of their head in one minute like I just did with more etymologically related homophones

Yoruba is tonal for a reason. Those tones are there for a purpose. Unlike in non tonal languages, where words spelt alike are most certainly etymologically related

Make your examples in Yoruba: just as I've done. Don't assume expert by proxy using example outside the language of discourse. Its not English class. And claimimg expertise on information on public domain tell us how far your lies can go.

So you have any proof you never check up "homophone" on google when you can transform flimsy error in a post to an ocean of rant? tell me something, that word homophone should be treasure if it so live in your consciousness.

In tonal languages like all languages of the Kwa language family, words spelt alike Eg. "Ìlú" and "ìlù" would have very different etymologies
Infact due to Palatalisation, you would be surprised that etymons often aren't visibly identifiable... One Reason why imagination can never beat professionalism

Relax and let linguists do their thing. Or you go study for it, since you talk about Languages all the time

Funny how someone who claims to be a bonified Yoruba who decides who is yoruba and who is not doesn't know the basic property of the Yoruba language

You assume authority when you are clueless about the topic, bro.

2. Unfortunately, your interpretations are you and you alone. Even your band doesn't interpret them like you
MetaPhysical said Sigidi is "prostrating" you said it is "open wood" something something

Would be great if your interpretations were the case because they sure are exciting and unsuspecting individuals would be drawn to it.
I mean Sigidi, Ṣí igi
Exciting stuff but anybody can do this

We have ere, we have sigidi, we have something else connecting ere to sigidi, its an assignment for you. Since you go back there, tell us the third word for the same object in Yoruba. Whats the word, prove that you are Yoruba.

3. With your limited grasp of the Yoruba words, it would be wise to take caution in interpreting people's oriki.
That's how you interpreted nonsense with the oriki of the eletu Iwase and that of babtoundey here on fairyland

I know you read that, but you are mistaken. Except I have what I referred there as ase (insight) I can't interpret beyond what I know. This is not an error, its a test of honesty.

I can't interpret a word even if its Yoruba once its peculiar to a dialect. I can only do the same when its constructed in mainstream Yoruba.

Futhermore, Lú does not mean "opening" or "burrow through" like an animal, it means to mix or mingle (together : Lúpọ̀).. To commune (be a community)
Hence Ìlú or Èlú or even Pẹ̀lú
It has nothing to do with "ìlù" (drum) from lù (beat, hit)

4. Stop trying to sound like you have esoteric training on yoruba language.
Certain things are obvious enough for everyone to see
You are not a programmer type personage of yoruba

Your options are always trailing mine. You should have invested your understanding on the same set of examples when you mean to say they were funny. I've enlightened you already. Your take is second thought, source from wherever.

Whats funny to you is goldmine to me and I've put the words in good light. You can act smart ranting upandan

Futhermore, "yọjú" interpreted as "pluck eyes" is lazy
It would make more sense for Yọ to be interpreted as "make visible" (to appear out) not "pluck"
Máa yọ si wọn.. Can be said to be "I will appear to them"
Yọ jáde, (make to) appear outside [to remove/bring out] . Yọ kúrò (appear away) remove

So yọjú is "make your face/eyes visible/appear" [let me see you]

You should have drawn your own unique examples. You are a mere faultfinder who must concentrate on the selfsame input of others and not go anywhere else to stretch your intellect. Hows that far from being a lazy sub-intellect?

As you have read up homophone and claiming to have make a list in a split second up there from your head, go and read up "collocation" so you understand how a syllable affects the interpretation of a given word when combine to form a word.

Find the value of "agba" where "ajagbalura" means "that which link two points on agba together".

absoluteSuccess:
Make your examples in Yoruba: just as I've done. Don't assume expert by proxy using example outside the language of discourse. Its not English class. And claimimg expertise on information on public domain tell us how far your lies can go.

So you have any proof you never check up "homophone" on google when you can transform flimsy error in a post to an ocean of rant? tell me something, that word homophone should be treasure if it so live in your consciousness.



You assume authority when you are clueless about the topic, bro.



We have ere, we have sigidi, we have something else connecting ere to sigidi, its an assignment for you. Since you go back there, tell us the third word for the same object in Yoruba. Whats the word, prove that you are Yoruba.



I know you read that, but you are mistaken. Except I have what I referred there as ase (insight) I can't interpret beyond what I know. This is not an error, its a test of honesty.

I can't interpret a word even if its Yoruba once its peculiar to a dialect. I can only do the same when its constructed in mainstream Yoruba.



Your options are always trailing mine. You should have invested your understanding on the same set of examples when you mean to say they were funny. I've enlightened you already. Your take is second thought, source from wherever.

Whats funny to you is goldmine to me and I've put the words in good light. You can act smart ranting upandan

The point is homophones rarely carry etymological relation

I used both English and Yoruba to demonstrate that

Instead of making this pitiable reply just to reply something.. You should have digested the post and learned a thing or two about homophones in both English and Yoruba and moved alonged
Since you apparently thought words sounding alike mean they must mean the same thing. It was important I demonstrated to you that you were wrong.
Hopefully now you know

You are too intellectually lazy to be an efficient linguist or "language Programmer" or how did you put it again? If being shown your error forces you to express microagression

Amujale:
That has nothing to does with the fictional Hebrew.

As a matter of fact, its because of these type of foreign extremist religions that peddle false narratives similar to the incorrect notion you present here.

Check this out for answers

Taniyen: [Yoruba Eko]

Tanun: [Yoruba Oyo]

Lesiyen wa: [Awori/Ijebu]

Just some examples from the dialects I;m familiar with


Akiyin o [Yoruba]
Okun o [Ekiti]

Just in dialect of the same language, variants has been found.

I wonder what we will find in Niger Congo where everyone think out their words and speak it the same way to proof all derive from a single source.

I've answered you Mr. macof, I wont quote you again so as not to be running the gauntless pointlessly all over again. The last sentence is an assignment for you,

and also, what's the third word if you want to avoid saying ere?

absoluteSuccess:
I've answered you Mr. macof, I wont quote you again so as not to be running the gauntless pointlessly all over again. The last sentence is an assignment for you,

and also, what's the third word if you want to avoid saying ere?

First of all, I've demonstrated everything that needs to be done here.. Its left for you to learn or continue to rely on your proven to be unreliable imagination

Secondly, you have an assignment... Provide evidence that yoruba have Hebrew heritage

absoluteSuccess:
Check this out for answers

Taniyen: [Yoruba Eko]

Tanun: [Yoruba Oyo]

Lesiyen wa: [Awori/Ijebu]

Just some examples from the dialects I;m familiar with


Akiyin o [Yoruba]
Okun o [Ekiti]

Just in dialect of the same language, variants has been found.

I wonder what we will find in Niger Congo where everyone think out there words and speak it the same way to proof all derive from a single source .

I know your question here is rhetoric and to mock
I wouldn't bother myself with the stress when I can easily ask you this...

I wonder what we will find in placing Yoruba (with all its dialects) in the semitic language family

Bare in mind, you have been trying.. Every one has been proven flawed.. We await a real cognate

absoluteSuccess:
Check this out for answers

Taniyen: [Yoruba Eko]

Tanun: [Yoruba Oyo]

Lesiyen wa: [Awori/Ijebu]

Just some examples from the dialects I;m familiar with


Akiyin o [Yoruba]
Okun o [Ekiti]

Just in dialect of the same language, variants has been found.

Awesome.

Although that has nothing to does with the fictional Hebrew.

Your example merely shows the awesome nature of our language systems.

BabaRamota1980:
You write beautifully and you take time to be thorough and arrange your points chronologically. However, all the ideas you present are foreign soundbites from Blier, Smith, and others. Their familiarity of 200yrs old or less cannot be equated, nor be more acceptable and authoritative than accounts in posession of official record keepers of Yoruba history and antiquity. I gave example with Jew blowing horn on passover. This practice was not widely accepted nor observed in their sojourn in the caucasian belts and years pre-dating the holocaust. After holocaust they found meaningful and tangible customs to build nationality. Thus shofar became a household observance to mark passover. Europeans told Jews by their facial features, particularly the hooked nose. After holocaust they found and instituted attributes that are narrated in Bible. Things like circumcision, marriage and birth rights for nationhood, shofar and blowing the horn on passover and so on.

If Yoruba were to nationalise today what would our historical attributes look like? Are we going to rely on Blier and Smith and historical works of 100yrs old to tell history of 1000yr culture? I went back further in these pages to get scope of what direction this thread has taken. You have given a lot of quotes, references, which as I said is good. It is time you leave those writers to the side and submit your own authentic ideas and theories. Even the historians you quote build up their work using theories and then they stress test the theories to weed out and eliminate outliers before arriving at acceptable submissions. We are discussing Yoruba here, not history of Yoruba. Yoruba encompasses more than history.

@TAO11 Knows her stuff. I think adding all those facts up to give a personal conclusion on Yoruba as a whole, is a good idea. Funny enough, most of the writers of old, had access to limited information and were still able to blow their write-up, out of proportion to make it a worthy read?

NB: I still marvel at the lady's deep interest and knowledge of Yoruba history has TAO11 has proved since we've met here on NL? Her type is really rare. @TAO11, are you truly, as in truly a lady? Pardon my persistent question over and over again

Amujale:
Awesome.

Although that has nothing to does with the fictional Hebrew.

Your example merely shows the awesome nature of our language systems.

Thanks bro.

This indeed is a wonderful thread.

Facts are there for anyone who cares for one. Trying to satisfy every quest from "the bottomless pit of faultfinders" is like playing to their gallery. That's how the real world plays out, you search for fact and hold to what it is from all deception looking like "beautiful truths".

Mine could be such to you bro, don't mind me, just move on. I don't cower to baseless convictions, you have right to your choices, but it never deceive me of mine. Find out your own truth and uphold it. Your truth is not established by faulting me, except its all about me.

Then if so, I accept my fate from now on, I do the job, your hordes do the faultfinding.

I think I'm an institution.

YauYamba:
So, there is no such thing as "Romanized Orthography of ... Arabic". Such thing just does not exist.

"Big words" do not necessarily make us appear smart or versatile, especially when such words or terms do not even exist or make sense.

Moreover, the Arabic text in question made use of Arabic text.

I think it's hightime we learnt to stay within our limits, or rely on the expert submissions from outside of our limits.

Again, this ties-in to the attention-seeking point I stressed earlier.

Well, you probably threw caution out of the wind, which made you blundered over your refutation that there is no such statement, as *Romanised Orthography*and regarding me as *attention seeker*You, particularly ought know better, amongst others who chose your defence line that has no authenticity over Yoruba's place of origin in Niger Benue confluence* amongst ethnic groups that exist in that region!


Unfortunately, you are *100% INCCORECT because,there is Romancized Orthography*

*What is Romancized Orthography* ? It is Orthography of Roman or Roman Orthography.

Let us verify the term *Orthography* from a English language dictionary

1a. Ortograph; Noun (plural: orthographs)
An orthographic projection.

b. Adjective (not comparable)

Of a projection used in maps, architecture etc.,in which the rays are parallel.

Of, or relating to, orthography.

synonyms: (maps) orthographical

2a.Orthography;Noun
 (plural: orthographies)

*The Orthography study of correct spelling according to 
established usage. The aspect of language 
study concerned with letters and their sequences in words

*Spelling; the method of representing a language or the sounds of language by written symbols*.(architecture)

Orthographic projection; especially its use to drawg an elevation,vertical projection etc. of a building.

synonyms with: spelling

Romanized* (Romanise) is simple past tense and past participle of Romanize(Romanise)

*Romanize : To put letters or words written in another writing system into the Latin (Roman) alphabet.*

Thus, the translation and Transliteration of Arabic writing are also written down in *Latin* . So don't be misled by yourself as you had wrongly stated. Interestingly, Arabic Ajami was what appeared secondly as an orthography in Yoruba land before, “The Yoruba language was all but settled by 1875 when the Church Missionary Society convened a conference to put finishing touches to the *Romanized Yoruba orthography* on which Samuel Ajayi Crowther and a host of others (Christian clergymen and specialist linguists) had laboured during the preceding 35 years. In spite of this seeming fait accompli status of the *Romanized Yoruba orthography*..." in THE SEARCH FOR A YORUBA ORTHOGRAPHY SINCE THE 1840S: OBSTACLES TO THE CHOICE OF THE ARABIC SCRIPT by ISAAC ADEJOJU OGUNBIYI


Furthermore, I am not in contention with you or anyone on NL because,I see no rivalry amongst all of us,who are actually genuine *writers/researchers* . Although, some of us may post for knowledge's information purpose but count me out on such ,since, your relied source has never pointed to the direction, where Yoruba ethnic group migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. Perhaps, proof me wrong with the ethnic group that is ‘Oru' ,whose ancient ancestor known as Ebora.

Obviously you don't have a peculiar interest in Classic Yoruba Language's history per se because, you disregard ,purpose of Art work, megaliths stones carved for rituals, inscription on Opa Oranmiyah, Oriental Swords found in Yoruba's ancestors positions, because of your resentment toward the direction of where Yoruba language developed from and her connection to Semitic origin, in which some Arabic terms are also linked to it.

Olu317:
Well, you probably threw caution out of the wind, which made you blundered over your refutation that there is no such statement, as *Romanised Orthography*and regarding me as *attention seeker*You, particularly ought know better, amongst others who chose your defence line that has no authenticity over Yoruba's place of origin in Niger Benue confluence* amongst ethnic groups that exist in that region!


Unfortunately, you are *100% INCCORECT because,there is Romancized Orthography*

*What is Romancized Orthography* ? It is Orthography of Roman or Roman Orthography.

Let us verify the term *Orthography* from a English language dictionary

1a. Ortograph; Noun (plural: orthographs)
An orthographic projection.

b. Adjective (not comparable)

Of a projection used in maps, architecture etc.,in which the rays are parallel.

Of, or relating to, orthography.

synonyms: (maps) orthographical

2a.Orthography;Noun
 (plural: orthographies)

*The Orthography study of correct spelling according to 
established usage. The aspect of language 
study concerned with letters and their sequences in words

*Spelling; the method of representing a language or the sounds of language by written symbols*.(architecture)

Orthographic projection; especially its use to drawg an elevation,vertical projection etc. of a building.

synonyms with: spelling

Romanized* (Romanise) is simple past tense and past participle of Romanize(Romanise)

*Romanize : To put letters or words written in another writing system into the Latin (Roman) alphabet.*

Thus, the translation and Transliteration of Arabic writing are also written down in *Latin* . So don't be misled by yourself as you had wrongly stated. Interestingly, Arabic Ajami was what appeared secondly as an orthography in Yoruba land before, “The Yoruba language was all but settled by 1875 when the Church Missionary Society convened a conference to put finishing touches to the *Romanized Yoruba orthography* on which Samuel Ajayi Crowther and a host of others (Christian clergymen and specialist linguists) had laboured during the preceding 35 years. In spite of this seeming fait accompli status of the *Romanized Yoruba orthography*..." in THE SEARCH FOR A YORUBA ORTHOGRAPHY SINCE THE 1840S: OBSTACLES TO THE CHOICE OF THE ARABIC SCRIPT by ISAAC ADEJOJU OGUNBIYI


Furthermore, I am not in contention with you or anyone on NL because,I see no rivalry amongst all of us,who are actually genuine *writers/researchers* . Although, some of us may post for knowledge's information purpose but count me out on such ,since, your relied source has never pointed to the direction, where Yoruba ethnic group migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. Perhaps, proof me wrong with the ethnic group that is ‘Oru' ,whose ancient ancestor known as Ebora.

Obviously you don't have a peculiar interest in Classic Yoruba Language's history per se because, you disregard ,purpose of Art work, megaliths stones carved for rituals, inscription on Opa Oranmiyah, Oriental Swords found in Yoruba's ancestors positions, because of your resentment toward the direction of where Yoruba language developed from and her connection to Semitic origin, in which some Arabic terms are also linked to it.

Oga don't worry about writting the long essays.

There is no such thing as Roman Orthography of Arabic.

Since you've admitted knowing nothing about Arabic, can you then adduce the expert source where you find this so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Moreover, the following are the so-called Arabic words in question which you had pasted.

ﻞﻤﺟ

: ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

Can you please explain how these foregoing so-called Arabic words relate to your so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Amujale:
Awesome.

Although that has nothing to does with the fictional Hebrew.

Your example merely shows the awesome nature of our language systems.

Lol! You simply don't realise that your daily dialect is filled up with classic Hebrew!


e si ( it is)

older dialect si ( is)


Interestingly Classic Hebrew: “si" also represented by “is" in the same manner as Yoruba's “si"

Classic Hebrew's Selah /Shela? Successful, prosperous is same as Yoruba's


Classic Hebrew's ascents, go is same as Yoruba's La,lo,alo,ãlo

Classic Hebrew's Come is same as bo,
mobo,boa as Yoruba's.


Note: I can go on and on but let me allow the opportunity to make up your mind. Mind you ,I had posted cognate between the two in previous posts,in which some of your Afrocentric type were asking me for authenticity of my information.



Cheers

OmoOlofin:
Oga don't worry about writting the long essays.

There is no such thing as Roman Orthography of Arabic.

Since you've admitted knowing nothing about Arabic, can you then adduce the expert source where you find this so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Moreover, the following are the so-called Arabic words in question which you had pasted.

ﻞﻤﺟ

: ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

Can you please explain how these foregoing so-called Arabic words relate to your so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

English Quran ought be your case study! After all, it is derivative of Roman Orthography!

OmoOlofin:
Oga don't worry about writting the long essays.

There is no such thing as Roman Orthography of Arabic.

Since you've admitted knowing nothing about Arabic, can you then adduce the expert source where you find this so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Moreover, the following are the so-called Arabic words in question which you had pasted.

ﻞﻤﺟ

: ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

Can you please explain how these foregoing so-called Arabic words relate to your so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Lol. So, There is nothing as such Roman(Latin )spelling of Arabic writings ? You are quite hilarious. Any way, I am sure, “English Quran transliteration and translation " ought be your case study! After all, it is derivative of Roman Orthography!

On your Arabic post, some people on this platform will help you out with the translation because it is not my specialisation.

Olu317:
Lol. So, There is nothing as such Roman(Latin )spelling of Arabic writings ? You are quite hilarious. Any way, I am sure, “English Quran transliteration and translation " ought be your case study! After all, it is derivative of Roman Orthography!

On your Arabic post, some people on this platform will help you out with the translation because it is not my specialisation.

(1)There is no such thing as Roman Orthography of Arabic.

(2) How do the following so-called Arabic words (which you originally pasted) fit into your new goal post? Lol.

ﻞﻤﺟ

: ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

Olu317:
English Quran ought be your case study! After all, it is derivative of Roman Orthography!

What does English Qur'an ... derivative of Roman Orthography mean?

Has absolutely zero meaning! This is clearly not your forte. Not even your self-acclaimed classical Hebrew.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You once admitted this. I'm now shocked what suddenly changed. Lol.

You're simply trying to putting different words together in as much as they sound big or technical to you. Lol.

OmoOlofin:
What does English Qur'an ... derivative of Roman Orthography mean?

Has absolutely zero meaning! This is clearly not your forte. Not even your self-acclaimed classical Hebrew.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You once admitted this. I'm now shocked what suddenly changed. Lol.

You're simply trying to putting different words together in as much as they sound big or technical to you. Lol.

Lol! What is the bone of contention ? That you have disgust for information saying, Yoruba were Canaan people . Do you know the meaning of Canaan at all ?

Infact, Arnett(1930,16),in the Infakul of Sultan Bello , was translated into English language which says, The People of Yoruba are descended from the Kaanan and Kindred of Nimrud. This translation was from Arabic which its origin form Roman(Latin) alphabet.


That I affirmed that, Yorubas are not indigenous to Yoruba land,using the Artifacts, Ritual practice, culture , Manufacturing of iron to hit my view ,which null your view and citation from Professor Akintoye because didn't mentioned if

1. Yoruba ancestors were Bantu from Adamawa Mountain or elsewhere!

2. He Didn't proof where the land of ancient Yoruba were in Niger Benue confluence

3. That their first settlement which is not Iwo Eleru had human fossil that is over 13±000 years, . This fossil man is analyzed and classified as not being Yoruba ancestor.

4. The exact spot where Ancestors of Odudua developed alongside their extended family in Ife bowl. And to had known name in Yoruba land,in Niger Benue confluence as an affluent lineage.


Your Question: Derivative of Roman Orthography: derived from .......Roman alphabet

...simply mean,The Qur'an being translated into English language is based on English language's alphabet that developed through the Roman Orthography Alphabet.

Orthography:it is spelling, and in this case, I mentioned Latin alphabet ,which I posted previously to lecture you.

Read from Professor Adedoju Ogunbiyi's Arabic-Yoruba Translations of the Quran p.32

Al-Ilürõ, Asl qaba’ il Yuruba, Agege 1989, 38.

The above writers work were based on Yoruba orthography which is based on Roman orthography.

You can also read book from Professor John Hunwick, who devoted his whole lifetime to the study and preservation of the Arabic/Islamic heritage of Africa. And I am sure, you know it is based on Arabic and Latin alphabet.

Olu317:
(A) Lol! What is the bone of contention ? That you have disgust for information saying, Yoruba were Canaan people . Do you know the meaning of Canaan at all ?

(B) Infact, Arnett(1930,16),in the Infakul of Sultan Bello , was translated into English language which says, The People of Yoruba are descended from the Kaanan and Kindred of Nimrud. This translation was from Arabic which its origin form Roman(Latin) alphabet.


(C) That I affirmed that, Yorubas are not indigenous to Yoruba land,using the Artifacts, Ritual practice, culture , Manufacturing of iron to hit my view ,which null your view and citation from Professor Akintoye because didn't mentioned if

1. Yoruba ancestors were Bantu from Adamawa Mountain or elsewhere!

2. He Didn't proof where the land of ancient Yoruba were in Niger Benue confluence

3. That their first settlement which is not Iwo Eleru had human fossil that is over 13±000 years, . This fossil man is analyzed and classified as not being Yoruba ancestor.

4. The exact spot where Ancestors of Odudua developed alongside their extended family in Ife bowl. And to had known name in Yoruba land,in Niger Benue confluence as an affluent lineage.


5. Your Question: Derivative of Roman Orthography: derived from .......Roman alphabet

...simply mean,The Qur'an being translated into English language is based on English language's alphabet that developed through the Roman Orthography Alphabet.

Orthography:it is spelling, and in this case, I mentioned Latin alphabet ,which I posted previously to lecture you.

Read from Professor Adedoju Ogunbiyi's Arabic-Yoruba Translations of the Quran p.32

Al-Ilürõ, Asl qaba’ il Yuruba, Agege 1989, 38.

The above writers work were based on Yoruba orthography which is based on Roman orthography.

You can also read book from Professor John Hunwick, who devoted his whole lifetime to the study and preservation of the Arabic/Islamic heritage of Africa. And I am sure, you know it is based on Arabic and Latin alphabet.

Ignorance is powerful! Lol.

(A) I don't have disgust for such absurdities. I only laugh at such.

Moreover, I also don't know the meaning of Japan, yet Yoruba has several common words with same/approximate pronunciations and meanings. Oh Yoruba are now Japanese ? Lol.

(B) Sultan Bello's accounts which said Yorubas are from Mecca, etc should be trused over the Yorubas own extant pre-existing oral tradition testimony about themselves.

I think this is worse than a slave-mentality. New terms must be coined to describe the fvckery going on here.

May be its hightime we also concluded that Oduduwa is a Bini since some non-Yorubas (Edos) said it too.

I mean why must we take one non-Yoruba (Fulani) view of Oduduwa's origin over another non-Yoruba (Edo) view of Oduduwa's origin?

Shouldn't we accept both since in your view we must accept anything but our own account of our selves.

Having said that, your statement "This translation was from Arabic which its origin form Roman(Latin) alphabet" is the most clueless statement I've read lately.

What's going on here? Translation from Arabic to English has its origin from a so-called Roman (Latin) alphabet?? ?? What language are you speaking here?? Gibberish??

You earlier admitted (when it was convinient for you to do so) that you're simply clueless about this Arabic thing. But I'm now shocked to ve seeing your latest straw clutching.

(C) I think you love to see yourself as some scholar. Lol. If that is correct, then hurry up enroll in a structured learning environment for Yoruba History.

I doubt if you will ever allow a quack doctor (who has never seen the four walls of a medicine/surgery classroom) perform any surgical procedure even on your enemey.

These so-called affirmations you arrogate to yourself are no more than a comedic piece that has been debunked here severally again and again.

Moreover, I'm not sure why you're singling out Professor Akintoye as if what I cited from him is different from what you will get from unanimous contemporary historical scholarship.

(1) Okay, I laughed!

(2) He did. All you need do is read.

(3) I'm not sure who said the Iwo-Eleru artefacts are from some Yoruba ancestors.

Again, all you need do is read!

It's obvious that you're simply confused about what's going on. I'm not surprised that you're confused though.

(4) Again read and desist from setting your ignorance as a benchmark for others' knowledge.

The exact quarters where Oduduwa was born and raised in Ife is well-known in the Ife traditional accounts.

This again proves my point that you do not read what you respond to as I have already mentioned this account earlier in my comments.

You have equated your ignorance of such information to mean one and the same thing as the absense of such information in the traditional accounts. This is at least unfortunate!

Odu-t'o-du-uwa is an Ejigbomekun man who rose to prominence in about the late 10th century CE.

5. I wasn't asking you no question because I already know that you know nothing about Arabic, and you earlier admitted that until lately when you clutched hard to the unfortunate ineffectve face-saving u-turn.

Instead I was simply telling you that such statement as Romanized Orthography of Arabic is raw absurdity.

And the best you did was to simply write the names of some two individuals.

And somehow the mere fact of typing these 2 names somehow proves that there is such thing as Romanized Orthography of Arabic.

If there's anything you've successfully done, then it is the fact that you've successfully confused yourself about lots and lots of things through half baked information.

And to make it all worse, in case you've forgotten, these 3 things below are what you had originally called the so-called Romanized Orthography of Arabic:

ﻞﻤﺟ

ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

This is like a 2 in 1 bungle!

OmoOlofin:
Ignorance is powerful! Lol.

(A) I don't have disgust for such absurdities. I only laugh at such.

Moreover, I also don't know the meaning of Japan, yet Yoruba has several common words with same/approximate pronunciations and meanings. Oh Yoruba are now Japanese ? Lol.

(B) Sultan Bello's accounts which said Yorubas are from Mecca, etc should be trused over the Yorubas own extant pre-existing oral tradition testimony about themselves.

I think this is worse than a slave-mentality. New terms must be coined to describe the fvckery going on here.

May be its hightime we also concluded that Oduduwa is a Bini since some non-Yorubas (Edos) said it too.

I mean why must we take one non-Yoruba (Fulani) view of Oduduwa's origin over another non-Yoruba (Edo) view of Oduduwa's origin?

Shouldn't we accept both since in your view we must accept anything but our own account of our selves.

Having said that, your statement "This translation was from Arabic which its origin form Roman(Latin) alphabet" is the most clueless statement I've read lately.

What's going on here? Translation from Arabic to English has its origin from a so-called Roman (Latin) alphabet?? ?? What language are you speaking here?? Gibberish??

You earlier admitted (when it was convinient for you to do so) that you're simply clueless about this Arabic thing. But I'm now shocked to ve seeing your latest straw clutching.

(C) I think you love to see yourself as some scholar. Lol. If that is correct, then hurry up enroll in a structured learning environment for Yoruba History.

I doubt if you will ever allow a quack doctor (who has never seen the four walls of a medicine/surgery classroom) perform any surgical procedure even on your enemey.

These so-called affirmations you arrogate to yourself are no more than a comedic piece that has been debunked here severally again and again.

Moreover, I'm not sure why you're singling out Professor Akintoye as if what I cited from him is different from what you will get from unanimous contemporary historical scholarship.

(1) Okay, I laughed!

(2) He did. All you need do is read.

(3) I'm not sure who said the Iwo-Eleru artefacts are from some Yoruba ancestors.

Again, all you need do is read!

It's obvious that you're simply confused about what's going on. I'm not surprised that you're confused though.

(4) Again read and desist from setting your ignorance as a benchmark for others' knowledge.

The exact quarters where Oduduwa was born and raised in Ife is well-known in the Ife traditional accounts.

This again proves my point that you do not read what you respond to as I have already mentioned this account earlier in my comments.

You have equated your ignorance of such information to mean one and the same thing as the absense of such information in the traditional accounts. This is at least unfortunate!

Odu-t'o-du-uwa is an Ejigbomekun man who rose to prominence in about the late 10th century CE.

5. I wasn't asking you no question because I already know that you know nothing about Arabic, and you earlier admitted that until lately when you clutched hard to the unfortunate ineffectve face-saving u-turn.

Instead I was simply telling you that such statement as Romanized Orthography of Arabic is raw absurdity.

And the best you did was to simply write the names of some two individuals.

And somehow the mere fact of typing these 2 names somehow proves that there is such thing as Romanized Orthography of Arabic.

If there's anything you've successfully done, then it is the fact that you've successfully confused yourself about lots and lots of things through half baked information.

And to make it all worse, in case you've forgotten, these 3 things below are what you had originally called the so-called Romanized Orthography of Arabic:

ﻞﻤﺟ

ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

This is like a 2 in 1 bungle!

Absudity in deed! How many times do I need ask you to pick up Professor Adedoju Ogunbiyi to read on Yoruba-Arabic translation ? Unfortunately you skip it because you find fun it. So, I don't have such strength as you do because of a simple etymology which has a simple meaning! Anyway , it seems you are “right" since, Arabic is never Translated into English language from your logical disposition while Roman Orthography was never used . But wait , what language did Prophet Muhammed spoke with the Romans he met in Rome ?I guess , “ Arabic". I don't know history! Lol

Furthermore, you lied because, I didn't even post anything that pointed to an Arabic writings as romanised but orthography of Roman that were used to translate Arabic script such as, Qur'an, hadits etc . And And when I cited book written to showcase Ajami written form of Yoruba's work that showed some acquired the knowledge via Arabic knowledge. Therefore it is too poor of you to sum up that I specifically posted Arabic's script that, I can't even read and never for once claim such. Thus,it is that bad because you didnt read comprehensively to even understand my point.

Infact, it is even better that your own version of Odud du wa , indeed rose in 10th century in ese ifaodu ejiogbemekun to revolutionise Yoruba monarchial system as fashioned after Near East pattern with all form of artifacts from Near East. and Elu orogbo shrines , etc to who rose up from death(lol) and ascended to heaven .

Perhaps, you seem not to know the same man was also known as Oshin. While , Oriki(panegyric ) of his descent is linked to Oru, eri, .Since there is probabality that you know him so well, then help locate his place and ancestor's origin in Niger Benue Confluence. Mind you, agada(scimitar) is *Oriental sword * and where it was found in Benue confluence ought be your priority too to locate to proof your point .

The reason for the task above for you is that Yoruba people with oral information in the past made mention of migration, and your Edo Claim he was an Ogiso descendant, which made all tired of regurgitation of information that has met a brick wall over the man's fabled story of yours and distortion of it all which has been nulled via facts embedded in Pictographs,that your likes see with ordinary naked eyes!. Do better than this!

Though, fact through research show that Odudua is a name of an ancestors before Nigeria and Africa, which became honoured as Orisa as well because of his achievement. Even Dierk Lange, proposed pattern of migration before arrival in Nigeria but the Afrocentrism in many of your types build up mountainous fallacy as defense. The beauty of it all is that Yoruba an ancestors were achievers who gave clue about themselves via Pictographs that has solution to doubting thomases like you and others.




Cheers.

Niger benue confluence of naked people most naked people discovered in Nigeria are from that region

kambari people of niger state are naked people that is even close to us

Jibu
They were discovered by a Nigerian journalist named Stephen Osu. After a nine-hour mountain climb, he found these descendants of the Kwararafa Kingdom scattered around on the mountains in Gashaka Local Government Area of Taraba State.

They live naked, choosing to cover certain parts of their bodies with leaves. These leaves and grass are used to cover their bed — a bamboo mat. They drink water from the same streams also used by animals.

IBOS

The Yoruba knot which is part of the Naira( Nigeria's currency is also found in Paleo Christian site . This knot is known as Solomon knot.
So, those who posited that Yoruba ancestors existed in Benue Confluence, should explain how the knot found in Yoruba culture, Near East, Rome etc are alike ? I am waiting!Below is as a screenshot of it.