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Xposed2020:
Unconditional & accepting can't be in the same sentence.

fortran12:
I guess you have not heard about unconditional letter from a school before?
Even in marriage love is two-way if you love the other accepts your love.
The concept of love does not exist in islam. All muslims are slaves of Allah. No slave loves his/ her master

fortran12:
The person who wrote this is very ignorant. For a book that is not authored in English you use the context of the text to decipher what certain parts mean.
So all you quoted before about God refering to himself as "us" to show respect etc is not relevant again after the argument has been demolished so u jump to another ignorant author who clearly has no knowledge

Xposed2020:
You are not flowing.
You brought issues of Trinity & Divinity of Jesus as the words of Jesus pbuh, but 32 Christian scholars of highest eminence back by 50 corporate denominations said the pillar upon which the Christian faith lays was a fabrication, an interpolation and as such removed the word of "God" from the Bible.
That was why I brought this up, not digressing.
It was a plural of respect not numbers.
As according to the Bible, you have equal stake in divinity as Jesus, holy spirit, others that accept the "unconditional love" as well.
This will be the mathematical representation of divinity in Christianity ; T + x = ∞ {where x = a believer in John 3:16, T = Trinity} according to the Bible (John 14:20, Psalms 82:6, Acts 17:28).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8MH7BW_bFo#

Xposed2020:
That's your opinion alright.
We are anything to Allah our creator if it so pleases Him.

fortran12:
Let us dissect the 32 scholars out of thousands.
Let me take apart what your text

"The only verse indicating trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy
Ghost are one) has been removed from the bible by 32 scholars of the
bible in the Revised Standard Version among many other verses as
fabrication after they realized that these verses do not exist in the
most ancient manuscript and as such there is not a single verse
indicating Trinity anymore in the complete bible."

The trinity is a concept in the bible, its exists all over the bible,its in Genesis,John etc. You quoting 1 John 5 vs 7.The verse exists in the Greek manuscripts, some sect, The Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combating a heresy called "Sabellianism," and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles.
There are thousands of christian scholars so what significance is 32?
Here is a link to my source: https://www.chick.com/information/article?id=Is-I-John-5:7-Missing-From-Older-Manuscripts

If RSV does not contain parts of john 3 vs 16, what of the other hundreds of translations? See how you conclude, that is rushing to judgement, is RSV the original text? Try and criticize logically.

You quote Psalm 2 vs7. Who told you its was referring to David? its a prophecy about Jesus. See how the verse ends "blessed are those who put their trust in him" am sure its not David the passage is referring to.
If you notice all in the passages of Ps 82 : 6 , Ex 4:22 , romans 8 vs 14, the word 'son' is written in small letters, but john 3 vs 16 , Ps 2 vs 7 the 's' is in capital letters. This shows a difference in who is being referred to.

fortran12:
Its not my opinion, aren't all muslims abduls?
All muslims are slaves of allah

fortran12:
Its not my opinion, aren't all muslims abduls?
All muslims are slaves of Allah

fortran12:
Its not my opinion, aren't all muslims abduls?
All muslims are slaves of allah

fortran12:
Its not my opinion, aren't all muslims abduls?
All muslims are slaves of Allah

Xposed2020:
Abacha
Buhari
Muhammad
Bello
Usman
Atiku
Zarah
Aisha
Lawan
Mustapha
Yar'adua
Nasiru
Musa
Sambo

Ignorance is a disease.

Xposed2020:
of highest eminence not just any scholar.

It wasn't in the original manuscript, then scholars inserted (interpolation) then removed it and you are talking of logical reasoning. Footnotes are someone else's believe & trying to indoctrinate the reader at the same time.

In the original manuscript, who told you it differentiates "son" from "Son"?

Xposed2020:


If you decide to interpret Servant as Slave, no problem as Muslims are in it with Jesus pbuh as clearly stated in the Bible (ACTS 3:26.)

https://carm.org/jesus-god-or-servant

fortran12:
Why are u guys trying so hard to claim Jesus. He never mentioned about islam or your prophet. Why try so hard and keep failing. What does the quran say about Jesus? text found in some children's story book in the time of mohammed. Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except by me" so i dont know what claim mohammed is making 600 years after Jesus. Imagine an Arabian man Trying to rewrite history for the Jews.

Xposed2020:
Jesus was a prophet of God, so because Christians decide to worship him, we should forsake him like the disciples (". . . all the disciples forsook Him and fled."-Matthew 26:56) and "God" (. . . 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?' Matthew 27:45 - 46).

fortran12:
All muslims are abdul when i say that i dont mean they bear the name. But they are slaves of allah. That is what abdul - lah means . slaves of allah or the moon god lah

fortran12:
there is no prove that Jesus claimed to be a prophet. God forsook him yes, its prophecy that was cos he bore the sins. muslims just take verses and quote out of context, not knowing all verse in the bible are related. Jesus 3 years of ministry is the reason for the bible. All the text from Genesis to Malachi was for Jesus and his 3 year ministry.

Xposed2020:
Prophecy or no prophecy, he was forsaken.
But we Muslims won't forsake him or other prophets of God.
I won't quote out of context, but will ask you a question then make reference to a verse.
Is Jesus God?
What does

Xposed2020:
Abdul means servant not slave just like Jesus pbuh was a servant of God most high (Acts 3:26).

fortran12:
Jesus said he is the son of God and he said it severally. So why conclude on 1 verse that mentions servant cos of the context of the text.
Hope you know honesty is a virtue. Cherry picking is not being honest.

fortran12:
Jesus said he is the son of God and he said it severally. So why conclude on 1 verse that mentions servant cos of the context of the text.
Hope you know honesty is a virtue. Cherry picking is not being honest.

Xposed2020:
We are all sons, daughters & children of God most high provided (condition) we believe and do righteous deeds. As stated in the Bible in numerous places. (Job 1:6, 2:1; Matthew 5:9; Luke 6:35, 20:34-36; John 1:12-13, 11:52, 3:1-3; Romans 8:12-25; Galatians 3:24-29.)

Now, Paul who found Christianity, did so for reasons best known to him.

Jesus was taken from Servant (Acts 3:26) - Prophet- son of God- God the son and ultimately to "God" Almighty (John 1:1).

Xposed2020:
You said Muslims are all Abdul, then I reminded you that Jesus is also Abdul according to Acts 3:26.
Muslims didn't put Acts 3:26 in the Bible but the author did.

fortran12:
All the verses you quoted are out of context. Jesus was the only one to claim that. The bible was written after Jesus ascended so what are you claiming. It was Jesus that paved way for a relationship with God. Before Jesus who had the authority to make the claim.
Paul did not found Christianity. The disciples were called Christians before Paul came along

fortran12:
All the verses you quoted are out of context. Jesus was the only one to claim that. The bible was written after Jesus ascended so what are you claiming. It was Jesus that paved way for a relationship with God. Before Jesus who had the authority to make the claim.
Paul did not found Christianity. The disciples were called Christians before Paul came along

fortran12:
Jesus said I AM. That is only a claim no one else can make. Why did the Jews crucify him? Its cos me made himself equal with God. All things were made by him as he is the word of God.
In the context Jesus was called a servant, but what did he call himself? Answer the question.

Xposed2020:
John 11:49-51

Xposed2020:
Show me where Jesus pbuh found Christianity from the Bible.
Jesus practiced the Jewish religion in the Jewish temple, he read Isaiah (OT) to the Jews, made burnt offerings etc.
Jesus went right, Paul said left and Christians took left and claimed it was Jesus they followed.

Xposed2020:
So since John 3:16 was a prerequisite for salvation in Christianity, what was the faith of those that died before the crucification of Jesus pbuh?

fortran12:
What claim did they lay on him?
Let me help you.
Luke 22 vs 70. Also
Matt 26 vs 63-66
John 10 vs 33
And lastly John 5 vs 18
Am sure you can logically connect these together.
That is the reason he was crucified.

fortran12:
So pls tell me what were Jesus last words. " go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, he that believes and is baptised will be saved" mark 16 vs 15-16 , matt 28 vs 19-20.
So the disciples did as Jesus commanded and they were called Christians, hence Christianity.
You see i have countered you in all your claims. Stop cherry picking

fortran12:
So pls tell me what were Jesus last words. " go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, he that believes and is baptised will be saved" mark 16 vs 15-16 , matt 28 vs 19-20.
So the disciples did as Jesus commanded and they were called Christians, hence Christianity.
You see i have countered you in all your claims. Stop cherry picking