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2prexios:
There you go again, scammer.

Oduduwa atewonro was in my book
Oduduwa ateworo is equally in my book.
I paraphrased both options in Yoruba.
I equally discussed "ayinike Ati Ayinipada".
I made a case for the right option.

Gbam.

You repeated what I have already shared in my book but argued for the popular version, Oduduwa atewonro. You are an "intelligence deficit" monomaniac fighting for spotlight through others' labour.

Is your argument new to me or something? You are a repeater. I have forced a confession from you through the book because you earlier pretend that tradition doesn't exist.

So it's this "elewon" tradition that is right now not onisoro, obadio, ascention rites, rituals and all that again as you originally claim. Oh, it's duality of identity? How about the chain?


Your camaraderies never validate you have a new argument. You only argued for the popular version, circulated by Samuel Johnson. What's your excitement in intellectual plagiarism?

You are like a hen that layed an egg and coocoo around as though it has laid an asteroid Well that's not mine but Mark Twain's.

I have given you a receipt for a book I bought many years ago, so as to silence your lunacy. It should mean nothing to you in the perpetual state of your mind. But it is an exhibit that you have no clue what you says.

Go for a check

Now, you arguing for Oduduwa atewonro suddenly made me go out to buy books and I suddenly know the right book to buy and within the timeline, it's Robin Law, your kind of book?

Again you are an embarrassment to yourself, not to me. You and your hordes are failures at what you love most. You acknowledge the scholar but still question his work before reading it.

I am not a performance monkey of yours, you should have read Robin Law. So you don't know what he said in light of the foregoing? WOW! so I should fetch it for you to damage as usual?

And you are a trained historian, well read and experience in Yoruba history? Don't worry keep waiting for me as your pawn. Your lies are travelling behind you.



You don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law.

absoluteSuccess:
I will be willing to forward it to you with some other titles through courier if you stay in Lagos.

The shelf price is N200.
Bulk price is negotiable.

Cost of transportation is something else, so you can buy few more copies or get some other titles.

Here's the table of contents to know what to expect. It's a soft read but value for money.

Captive of the mighty, that's when kunmi captured Ogunmola

Prisoner of war, that was when Ogunmola captured the white guys in kunmi's army.

The just king, that's Alaafin Abiodun

The impossible ride, the Alaafin celebrated bebe, riding on buffalo to his hurt.

Two Wise women, they saved ijesha from the Nupe

Yoruba ancestors scripture, some quick gists about Ifa

The legend of Oduduwa, that I have shared earlier, just that simple.

rhektor:
I am in Lagos please let me know how and when it can be done, thanks in advance

macof

so you stayed up all night going through all my old posts and saw a post from over 6 years ago and think it's laughable.

This guy just desperate sha you even had to mention this post on two threads just to get my attention thinking you've found something to nail my personality

Here was your response to the post 6 years ago

Rather than looking for ways to insult me and attack my personality just do the needful - provide evidence for your claims and stop running around

macof:

I can't even remember who the writer is and I never saved the page.

One thing I remember is dat the 'ogiso' is an ijaw name as well as the name 'igodo'.

some geologist have described This region- that is South South Nigeria as a very old habitation dating several Years on BC(the figures I can't remember).

Two set of inhabitants is known
1. Ancient People from the sky known as Oru (possibly a variant of Horus- Egyptian God of the sky)
2. migrants from The North who settled in Ile-Ife and claimed descent from Oduduwa and Osara- must be Okanbi's followers or unrecorded children

The ijo seem to know a lot about Oduduwa even better than some Yoruba people(that is if their records are accurate)
They know his wife Osara and some claim descent from her.

Oduduwa according to ijo came from Nubia.
That could explain why Oduduwa was very friendly to Ogboroganda who also came from Nubian territories

macof

More rants and cries grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Tell us what Robin law said that is getting you excited thinking you have found something to nail me.

He has numerous works, I don't have his entire scholarship memorized in my head enough to know what exactly you might be referring to.

Also, let's be real this whole reference to Robin law is just your excitement to be reading a historian's work for the first time after you just recently bought one of his books.
Not that there's anything that supports Semitic connection

macof

what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

macof

And what has Robin Law's "The Oyo empire" or any of his works got to do with your old interpretation or 4 new interpretations of "Ateworo"?

macof

He has numerous works, I don't have his entire scholarship memorized in my head enough to know what exactly you might be referring to.

Macof

There is no Ewọ (taboo) in Atẹwọrọ
Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend)
So it means to descend through a chain

You should really stop, it's disgraceful what you are doing.

2prexios:
Scammer, if your post of 6 years ago is worthless as reference today, how much more the claim you make today about a thousand years ago that you don't know?

A man who cannot draw out from 3,000 years ago is poor indeed, said Goethe.



Your outbursts are borne out of your megalomaniac personality. Insatiable desire for power, influence or both daily whets your wiles, not intellect.

Check the title of the thread 6 years ago, it's Oduduwa ateworo. When you join the conversation, were you blind or the phrase fell on your blind spot? Why not argue your point there right then?



Diffusing to Ijaw is making case for "Niger Congo linguistic family" by me, just as my claiming Odion is Odiyan. But again, the reality of this is at your "blind spot" because you don't know what you don't know.

You are a contextual person, you don't recognize crucial feeds for the content of your context as a "non-original thinker". You depend on written books for the little you know, than your guts

Hence it's clear you are a better confused fellow speculating then than now. How do you want to make valid claim for your lower guinea claim divesting your position on Oduduwa to microscopic event alluded to in oke ora saga?

You are confused now as a puppet to the onisoro than you were 6 years ago. A typical Onisoro Eda

1. How does your present claim trickle down to Ijaw and validate the ethno-linguistic connection further down the littoral region?

2. Remember you claim they all alluded to an antediluvian age in their tradition not long ago, do you? Kindly sort all your thousand claims. I know you depend on temerity to take home the claim.

Clueless specialist

3. You alluded to linguistics but you have never cited a valid vocabulary connection between Yoruba, Igbo, Fon in all your years of practice as an erudite historian




Your personality again? You and your grandiose delution are inseparable. Your temerity is an act of cowardice covering your tracks. Provide the source for the claim below. Abi na so your professor of methodology teach you ba?

2prexios:
Scammer.

Look at what you did up there muddling up historical words in crazy frenzy to crack up what is too profound for you to break.

There's no Ewọ, but atewonro and ateworo is allowed to mean exactly the same thing because you said so?

If you are that good, what is "toro" in Yoruba? Give all possible meaning of the word.

2prexios:
Ateworo,

Historical and scientific Validation:

Ateworo
Olofin

Given that ateworo means "one who press the law to it's flexible end", that would make the suffix 'ro' an adverb, adding more meaning to the verb, te, meaning "to press".

Main and subordinate clauses

The main clause therefore is atewo, one who press the law. It's thus a label. Subordinate clause is a-ro, meaning "flexible end". If that's correct, then the two phrases should agree.

So here's the clue.

Atewo = Olofin

A=O
Té=lo
Wo=fin

Let's say ewo is Iwo, Ifa, òfìn and ikin. The groits were known as a ro kin. Ro in that sense is equivalent with lo, as found in Olofin:

Arokin=Olofin

A=O
Ro=Lo
Kin=fin

It also becomes Ron/ro when seen from Ifa perspective: gbonmogbonmo laa ro/ron faa'diti. So this syllable is constant in Yoruba history.

Arofa = Arowasi= Oniwasu= Arokin

Science means repeating the same thing twice or more and getting the same result. Scientific method of history is validated by this experiment in history.

Iwo Eleru: the law hard to break
Iworo: the law stands firm.

Historical perspective

The Awori claim that they followed Olofin from Ife and part of the place they anchor on the way was Iro. The word marks something spectacular in Yoruba history.

Iro: Amendment to Constitution

Iloro is a manifestation of the two options for bend and soft in the same word, where it means becoming wealthy.

Iloro in the ancient Yoruba history is akin to Ilaje, having money. Oduduwa is known as Alaje. Aje is Yoruba icon for wealth.

Observe the saying: iwo olodo Oba, omo ate ni gbola. Our pointers are all intact in there, Iwo, Olodo, Oba, ate, ateni, gbola.

There's transfer of wealth with the amendment to the Constitution, and the recipient was Oduduwa.

2prexios:
I can see you think I am here to play your game. Who are you that nailing you would be my priority? It's your own lies and inexperience that will smoke you out like a rodent. Just a little moment from now.



Can you imagine this! Do I asked you to memorize anything? Good God, you knew he had several scholarship but missed out I asked you to read "The Oyo Empire" by Robin Law after you have mesmerized around the same title over and over? You are clueless.

My saying go back and read Robin Law got you confused because. You only caught hold of the name Robin Law, the title had never crossed your mind. Ohh what a Yoruba scholars you were, what an authoritative historian.

I must be a prophet, I thanked you for inviting men that are wiser than you to the thread when you invited ggregboy. He has cited the book I asked you to read on my thread on Oriki.



Your elicitation technique never worked on me. I only give as much as I would want others to know. You feigning "grandiose" to ferret facts from your victims that want to be right at all cost had never worked on me, so do the job and destroy it.

I think you should know I'm sponsored by mfm too, take it back to Facebook since it's what you live for.

Thats the only thing that is real here, this Jewish hangover is your life, your passion and your existence. It's what you live for to destroy in Yoruba history before it dare manifest and become a viable claim.

Before: no clue about the title yet



After: got the clue but not sure



Now: completely confused spoofing.



Scammer, you don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law

macof:
Like I said you are obsessed with my personality. And you are only looking for something to naile with
You have never found anything because there is none.. Just as you have not found evidence for your Hebrew claim.

Keep going back to my posts from 6 or 7 years ago
There's absolutely nothing in that post that you have to nail on me. Keep trying
At this point I'm done telling you to stop taking it personal. But your lack of maturity and common sense is out of this world

2prexios:
You don't have a personality, I do.

You are here to gather likes to feel good about your personality because it's all you have to feel relevant. I am here to consistently answer you, hoping that this website will outlive me.

At the end, every light needs a darkness to shine brighter, I'm the one using you to shine. Hence you have your rewards and I have mine. It's how God has designed it to be.

When plotting your character in a novel, you don't save him from going through the fire. Your kind of clique are the necessary devil that darken the cloud for Divine enlightenment to shine through.

macof:
Long rants.

I don't doubt mfm or a similar church is paying you.. All of you are on a failed agenda
I take it you have nothing to say about Robin Law.
You just wanted to mention him to show that you've finally started reading a book
Congrats though.. Keep it up boy

macof

what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

macof:
this right here as well as many more previous declaration of light vs darkness over a thread on NL shows you are frantic and depend on nairaland fame. A failed reputation here hits you badly.
Anyone who questions you is met with attacks and called a destroyer. Anybody who commends you is met with joyful thanks and gratitude.
You also seem to have a serious thing with my posts getting likes

My friend getthafuvk out. Too childish

2prexios:
LOL,

Bloody Serpent

I've given you the idea of what personality is all about, you are quick to oversimplify it.

I'm seeking nairaland fame and you are seeking nairaland shame?

macof:
mr giver of ideas...
Because the idea of personality was not known before you wrote the word "personality" in your previous comment

Giver of ideas and imaginative claims but not evidence

Bloody frantic clown
Keep it up. I'm enjoying your show

2prexios:
The clown is you.

You are the pathological liar and psychopath that must disgrace someone else to stay relevant.

Here you will earn likes, but I will use you to shine. It's a great trade.

macof:
You will shine when you provide historical records of Hebrew migration to Yorùbáland from either yorubas or Hebrews
Or archeological or genetic evidence to same effect

2prexios:
It's impossible from your end because it's not a beat you were designed to unravel. And you are the infinitesimal entity I'm to hand over such information to should I have it.

Kid, read about ideas and how to protect your ideas from dreamkillers. Whatever you want to do in life, there's always the hordes to tell you that it's impossible.

They were men with good intentions. But that's what they were, dreamkillers. Hundreds of years afterwards, event confirms exactly what they claim to be impossible.

It's better to fall being original failure than succeed as a macof that abandoned his ideas of Oduduwa 6 years ago for one stupid micro claim that's conterproductive to his big-picture claim as a successful puppet just to answer "historian".

2prexios:
Are you afraid? You have always been killing yourself on another man's palalava day by day.

What you claim will not happen in your lifetime may happen after you are no longer around.
.

macof:
Interesting. Taken far too personal. You need to grow up if you have to resort to threatening death

RedboneSmith:
"During the later stages of the Late Stone Age, as farming turned wandering folks into settlers (from about 4000 BC), the scattered spread of farming people living in the West African region slowly began to get differentiated into related clusters and groups speaking proto-languages consisting of dialects that were related to one another.

Available linguistic evidence indicates that many such groups and clusters slowly formed on the banks of the Middle Niger, mostly in the area of the Niger—Benue confluence and above it. This linguistic evidence suggests that the Yoruba, Igala, Edo, Idoma, Ebira, Nupe, Kakanda, Gbagyi and Igbo belonged to a cluster of languages, now called Kwa sub-group of languages by modern scholars, belonging to a larger family of languages now called the Niger-Congo (or Nigritic) family of languages.

The small cluster was concentrated roughly around the Niger—Benue confluence. Over thousands of years, the groups in this cluster slowly separated as they developed distinctive characteristics, probably the last language groups to separate being the Igala and Yoruba. One study suggests that the proto-Yoruba and proto-Nupe language sub-families seem to have migrated from a little further up the Niger, slowly expanding towards the confluence, and that during that process each finally became differentiated from a mother language group.6

The clear implication of all this is that the origin of the Yoruba people as a linguistic and ethnic group belongs in the process of slow differentiation of proto-groups which occurred in the Middle Niger and around the Niger—Benue confluence, beginning about 4000 BC and continuing for thousands of years. It is, therefore, in this area that we must find the first home of the Yoruba as one people — the area close to the Niger—Benue confluence and further up the Niger, where the southern Nupe and the far northeastern Yoruba groups — the Yagba, Jumu, Ikiri, Oworo, Owe, and Bunu (now collectively called the Okun Yoruba by some scholars) — and the northernmost Igbomina, live today."

~ From "A History of the Yoruba People" by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye.

Professor Akintoye is a professional historian. Not an amateur dabbling into something he is ill-equipped to grasp properly. He has been doing serious history for sixty years.

RedboneSmith:
"During the later stages of the Late Stone Age, as farming turned wandering folks into settlers (from about 4000 BC), the scattered spread of farming people living in the West African region slowly began to get differentiated into related clusters and groups speaking proto-languages consisting of dialects that were related to one another.

Available linguistic evidence indicates that many such groups and clusters slowly formed on the banks of the Middle Niger, mostly in the area of the Niger—Benue confluence and above it. This linguistic evidence suggests that the Yoruba, Igala, Edo, Idoma, Ebira, Nupe, Kakanda, Gbagyi and Igbo belonged to a cluster of languages, now called Kwa sub-group of languages by modern scholars, belonging to a larger family of languages now called the Niger-Congo (or Nigritic) family of languages.

The small cluster was concentrated roughly around the Niger—Benue confluence. Over thousands of years, the groups in this cluster slowly separated as they developed distinctive characteristics, probably the last language groups to separate being the Igala and Yoruba. One study suggests that the proto-Yoruba and proto-Nupe language sub-families seem to have migrated from a little further up the Niger, slowly expanding towards the confluence, and that during that process each finally became differentiated from a mother language group.6

The clear implication of all this is that the origin of the Yoruba people as a linguistic and ethnic group belongs in the process of slow differentiation of proto-groups which occurred in the Middle Niger and around the Niger—Benue confluence, beginning about 4000 BC and continuing for thousands of years. It is, therefore, in this area that we must find the first home of the Yoruba as one people — the area close to the Niger—Benue confluence and further up the Niger, where the southern Nupe and the far northeastern Yoruba groups — the Yagba, Jumu, Ikiri, Oworo, Owe, and Bunu (now collectively called the Okun Yoruba by some scholars) — and the northernmost Igbomina, live today."

~ From "A History of the Yoruba People" by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye.

Professor Akintoye is a professional historian. Not an amateur dabbling into something he is ill-equipped to grasp properly. He has been doing serious history for sixty years.

MetaPhysical:
This was a very educative and, at one point progressively enlightening thread.

I think absolutesuccess, prexios, macof, you guys need to step away and go do other things for few weeks to calm down and return. Alternatively, make conscious effort to ignore each other's posts for some lengthy time and cool off.

Your interaction has taken a new and ugly dimension.


Macof, I want to ask why you dont open thread to propose your own idea and theories of Yoruba roots?

Create your own theories on Ife and stop spoiling other people pursuit and theories.

macof:
I understand you but this is not neccesay and not productive

I won't stay off any post. If I see people declaring Yoruba are what I don't know them to be
I will ask for evidence. I do this everywhere even in real life conversations

And when I see posts about the Yoruba on things I know for sure are wrong I will make correction. When I am wrong I want people to correct me

That's how we move forward not by stroking egos and taking things personal. Reeks of childishness and some kind of psycho problem

If it is so easy to spoil other people's "theories" then those aren't even theories at all but just baseless claims
What are you afraid of? Why don't you encourage your so called theories being challenged?

PS. absolutesuccess, prexios, 2prexios are the same person