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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 11:14am On Jun 21, 2020
2prexios:


There you go again, scammer. grin grin

Oduduwa atewonro was in my book
Oduduwa ateworo is equally in my book.
I paraphrased both options in Yoruba.
I equally discussed "ayinike Ati Ayinipada".
I made a case for the right option.

Gbam.

You repeated what I have already shared in my book but argued for the popular version, Oduduwa atewonro. You are an "intelligence deficit" monomaniac fighting for spotlight through others' labour.

Is your argument new to me or something? You are a repeater. I have forced a confession from you through the book because you earlier pretend that tradition doesn't exist.

So it's this "elewon" tradition that is right now not onisoro, obadio, ascention rites, rituals and all that again as you originally claim. Oh, it's duality of identity? How about the chain?
cheesy cheesy

Your camaraderies never validate you have a new argument. You only argued for the popular version, circulated by Samuel Johnson. What's your excitement in intellectual plagiarism?

You are like a hen that layed an egg and coocoo around as though it has laid an asteroid grin grin Well that's not mine but Mark Twain's.

I have given you a receipt for a book I bought many years ago, so as to silence your lunacy. It should mean nothing to you in the perpetual state of your mind. But it is an exhibit that you have no clue what you says.

Go for a check

Now, you arguing for Oduduwa atewonro suddenly made me go out to buy books and I suddenly know the right book to buy and within the timeline, it's Robin Law, your kind of book?

Again you are an embarrassment to yourself, not to me. You and your hordes are failures at what you love most. You acknowledge the scholar but still question his work before reading it.

I am not a performance monkey of yours, you should have read Robin Law. So you don't know what he said in light of the foregoing? WOW! so I should fetch it for you to damage as usual?

And you are a trained historian, well read and experience in Yoruba history? Don't worry keep waiting for me as your pawn. Your lies are travelling behind you.



You don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law.

cheesy cheesy

More rants and cries grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Tell us what Robin law said that is getting you excited thinking you have found something to nail me
He has numerous works, I don't have his entire scholarship memorized in my head enough to know what exactly you might be referring to

Also, let's be real this whole reference to Robin law is just your excitement to be reading a historian's work for the first time after you just recently bought one of his books.
Not that there's anything that supports Semitic connection

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by rhektor(m): 1:09am On Jun 22, 2020
absoluteSuccess:


I will be willing to forward it to you with some other titles through courier if you stay in Lagos.

The shelf price is N200.
Bulk price is negotiable.

Cost of transportation is something else, so you can buy few more copies or get some other titles.

Here's the table of contents to know what to expect. It's a soft read but value for money.

Captive of the mighty, that's when kunmi captured Ogunmola

Prisoner of war, that was when Ogunmola captured the white guys in kunmi's army.

The just king, that's Alaafin Abiodun

The impossible ride, the Alaafin celebrated bebe, riding on buffalo to his hurt.

Two Wise women, they saved ijesha from the Nupe

Yoruba ancestors scripture, some quick gists about Ifa

The legend of Oduduwa, that I have shared earlier, just that simple.

I am in Lagos please let me know how and when it can be done, thanks in advance
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 9:14pm On Jun 23, 2020
rhektor:


I am in Lagos please let me know how and when it can be done, thanks in advance

Alright bro, give me an idea of the copies you might be getting to work with, then I will send it.

Thanks for the patronage in advance.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 10:05pm On Jun 23, 2020


macof

so you stayed up all night going through all my old posts and saw a post from over 6 years ago and think it's laughable.

Scammer, if your post of 6 years ago is worthless as reference today, how much more the claim you make today about a thousand years ago that you don't know? grin grin

A man who cannot draw out from 3,000 years ago is poor indeed, said Goethe.

This guy just desperate sha grin you even had to mention this post on two threads just to get my attention thinking you've found something to nail my personality cheesy

Your outbursts are borne out of your megalomaniac personality. Insatiable desire for power, influence or both daily whets your wiles, not intellect.

Check the title of the thread 6 years ago, it's Oduduwa ateworo. When you join the conversation, were you blind or the phrase fell on your blind spot? Why not argue your point there right then?

Here was your response to the post 6 years ago

Diffusing to Ijaw is making case for "Niger Congo linguistic family" by me, just as my claiming Odion is Odiyan. But again, the reality of this is at your "blind spot" because you don't know what you don't know.

You are a contextual person, you don't recognize crucial feeds for the content of your context as a "non-original thinker". You depend on written books for the little you know, than your guts

Hence it's clear you are a better confused fellow speculating then than now. How do you want to make valid claim for your lower guinea claim divesting your position on Oduduwa to microscopic event alluded to in oke ora saga?

You are confused now as a puppet to the onisoro than you were 6 years ago. A typical Onisoro Eda lipsrsealed

1. How does your present claim trickle down to Ijaw and validate the ethno-linguistic connection further down the littoral region?

2. Remember you claim they all alluded to an antediluvian age in their tradition not long ago, do you? Kindly sort all your thousand claims. I know you depend on temerity to take home the claim.

Clueless specialist cool

3. You alluded to linguistics but you have never cited a valid vocabulary connection between Yoruba, Igbo, Fon in all your years of practice as an erudite historian cool

Rather than looking for ways to insult me and attack my personality just do the needful - provide evidence for your claims and stop running around grin


Your personality again? You and your grandiose delution are inseparable. Your temerity is an act of cowardice covering your tracks. Provide the source for the claim below. Abi na so your professor of methodology teach you ba?



macof:

I can't even remember who the writer is and I never saved the page.

One thing I remember is dat the 'ogiso' is an ijaw name as well as the name 'igodo'.

some geologist have described This region- that is South South Nigeria as a very old habitation dating several Years on BC(the figures I can't remember).

Two set of inhabitants is known
1. Ancient People from the sky known as Oru (possibly a variant of Horus- Egyptian God of the sky)
2. migrants from The North who settled in Ile-Ife and claimed descent from Oduduwa and Osara- must be Okanbi's followers or unrecorded children

The ijo seem to know a lot about Oduduwa even better than some Yoruba people(that is if their records are accurate)
They know his wife Osara and some claim descent from her.

Oduduwa according to ijo came from Nubia.
That could explain why Oduduwa was very friendly to Ogboroganda who also came from Nubian territories
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 10:31pm On Jun 23, 2020
macof

More rants and cries grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Tell us what Robin law said that is getting you excited thinking you have found something to nail me.


I can see you think I am here to play your game. Who are you that nailing you would be my priority? It's your own lies and inexperience that will smoke you out like a rodent. Just a little moment from now.



He has numerous works, I don't have his entire scholarship memorized in my head enough to know what exactly you might be referring to.


Can you imagine this! Do I asked you to memorize anything? Good God, you knew he had several scholarship but missed out I asked you to read "The Oyo Empire" by Robin Law after you have mesmerized around the same title over and over? You are clueless.

My saying go back and read Robin Law got you confused because. You only caught hold of the name Robin Law, the title had never crossed your mind. Ohh what a Yoruba scholars you were, what an authoritative historian.

I must be a prophet, I thanked you for inviting men that are wiser than you to the thread when you invited ggregboy. He has cited the book I asked you to read on my thread on Oriki.



Also, let's be real this whole reference to Robin law is just your excitement to be reading a historian's work for the first time after you just recently bought one of his books.
Not that there's anything that supports Semitic connection


Your elicitation technique never worked on me. I only give as much as I would want others to know. You feigning "grandiose" to ferret facts from your victims that want to be right at all cost had never worked on me, so do the job and destroy it.

I think you should know I'm sponsored by mfm too, take it back to Facebook since it's what you live for.

Thats the only thing that is real here, this Jewish hangover is your life, your passion and your existence. It's what you live for to destroy in Yoruba history before it dare manifest and become a viable claim.

Before: no clue about the title yet


macof

grin what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

After: got the clue but not sure


macof

And what has Robin Law's "The Oyo empire" or any of his works got to do with your old interpretation or 4 new interpretations of "Ateworo"? grin

Now: completely confused spoofing.



macof

He has numerous works, I don't have his entire scholarship memorized in my head enough to know what exactly you might be referring to.


Scammer, you don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 11:47pm On Jun 23, 2020
Ateworo,

Historical and scientific Validation:

Ateworo
Olofin

Given that ateworo means "one who press the law to it's flexible end", that would make the suffix 'ro' an adverb, adding more meaning to the verb, te, meaning "to press".

Main and subordinate clauses

The main clause therefore is atewo, one who press the law. It's thus a label. Subordinate clause is a-ro, meaning "flexible end". If that's correct, then the two phrases should agree.

So here's the clue.

Atewo = Olofin

A=O
Té=lo
Wo=fin

Let's say ewo is Iwo, Ifa, òfìn and ikin. The groits were known as a ro kin. Ro in that sense is equivalent with lo, as found in Olofin:

Arokin=Olofin

A=O
Ro=Lo
Kin=fin

It also becomes Ron/ro when seen from Ifa perspective: gbonmogbonmo laa ro/ron faa'diti. So this syllable is constant in Yoruba history.

Arofa = Arowasi= Oniwasu= Arokin

Science means repeating the same thing twice or more and getting the same result. Scientific method of history is validated by this experiment in history.

Iwo Eleru: the law hard to break
Iworo: the law stands firm.

Historical perspective

The Awori claim that they followed Olofin from Ife and part of the place they anchor on the way was Iro. The word marks something spectacular in Yoruba history.

Iro: Amendment to Constitution

Iloro is a manifestation of the two options for bend and soft in the same word, where it means becoming wealthy.

Iloro in the ancient Yoruba history is akin to Ilaje, having money. Oduduwa is known as Alaje. Aje is Yoruba icon for wealth.

Observe the saying: iwo olodo Oba, omo ate ni gbola. Our pointers are all intact in there, Iwo, Olodo, Oba, ate, ateni, gbola.

There's transfer of wealth with the amendment to the Constitution, and the recipient was Oduduwa.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 1:00am On Jun 24, 2020


Macof

There is no Ewọ (taboo) in Atẹwọrọ
Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend)
So it means to descend through a chain

You should really stop, it's disgraceful what you are doing.


Scammer.

Look at what you did up there muddling up historical words in crazy frenzy to crack up what is too profound for you to break.

There's no Ewọ, but atewonro and ateworo is allowed to mean exactly the same thing because you said so?

If you are that good, what is "toro" in Yoruba? Give all possible meaning of the word.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:08am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


Scammer, if your post of 6 years ago is worthless as reference today, how much more the claim you make today about a thousand years ago that you don't know? grin grin

A man who cannot draw out from 3,000 years ago is poor indeed, said Goethe.



Your outbursts are borne out of your megalomaniac personality. Insatiable desire for power, influence or both daily whets your wiles, not intellect.

Check the title of the thread 6 years ago, it's Oduduwa ateworo. When you join the conversation, were you blind or the phrase fell on your blind spot? Why not argue your point there right then?



Diffusing to Ijaw is making case for "Niger Congo linguistic family" by me, just as my claiming Odion is Odiyan. But again, the reality of this is at your "blind spot" because you don't know what you don't know.

You are a contextual person, you don't recognize crucial feeds for the content of your context as a "non-original thinker". You depend on written books for the little you know, than your guts

Hence it's clear you are a better confused fellow speculating then than now. How do you want to make valid claim for your lower guinea claim divesting your position on Oduduwa to microscopic event alluded to in oke ora saga?

You are confused now as a puppet to the onisoro than you were 6 years ago. A typical Onisoro Eda lipsrsealed

1. How does your present claim trickle down to Ijaw and validate the ethno-linguistic connection further down the littoral region?

2. Remember you claim they all alluded to an antediluvian age in their tradition not long ago, do you? Kindly sort all your thousand claims. I know you depend on temerity to take home the claim.

Clueless specialist cool

3. You alluded to linguistics but you have never cited a valid vocabulary connection between Yoruba, Igbo, Fon in all your years of practice as an erudite historian cool




Your personality again? You and your grandiose delution are inseparable. Your temerity is an act of cowardice covering your tracks. Provide the source for the claim below. Abi na so your professor of methodology teach you ba?




Like I said you are obsessed with my personality. And you are only looking for something to nail me with cheesy
You have never found anything because there is none.. Just as you have not found evidence for your Hebrew claim.

I address threads at my own time. If I didn't post what I posted here on that thread 6 years ago it was because I don't post what I have not made conclusions on. There are so many things you've posted this month alone that I might still address in the future

Keep going back to my posts from 6 or 7 years ago grin
There's absolutely nothing in that post that you have to nail on me. Keep trying grin
At this point I'm done telling you to stop taking it personal. But your lack of maturity and common sense is out of this world

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:12am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


Scammer.

Look at what you did up there muddling up historical words in crazy frenzy to crack up what is too profound for you to break.

There's no Ewọ, but atewonro and ateworo is allowed to mean exactly the same thing because you said so?

If you are that good, what is "toro" in Yoruba? Give all possible meaning of the word.

grin grin this atewonro thing pain this guy to the bone grin
Next time don't speak on things you don't have sources for or can't defend
Now look at all this attempts at trying to save face instead of moving on with what you've learnt

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:16am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:
Ateworo,

Historical and scientific Validation:

Ateworo
Olofin

Given that ateworo means "one who press the law to it's flexible end", that would make the suffix 'ro' an adverb, adding more meaning to the verb, te, meaning "to press".

Main and subordinate clauses

The main clause therefore is atewo, one who press the law. It's thus a label. Subordinate clause is a-ro, meaning "flexible end". If that's correct, then the two phrases should agree.

So here's the clue.

Atewo = Olofin

A=O
Té=lo
Wo=fin

Let's say ewo is Iwo, Ifa, òfìn and ikin. The groits were known as a ro kin. Ro in that sense is equivalent with lo, as found in Olofin:

Arokin=Olofin

A=O
Ro=Lo
Kin=fin

It also becomes Ron/ro when seen from Ifa perspective: gbonmogbonmo laa ro/ron faa'diti. So this syllable is constant in Yoruba history.

Arofa = Arowasi= Oniwasu= Arokin

Science means repeating the same thing twice or more and getting the same result. Scientific method of history is validated by this experiment in history.

Iwo Eleru: the law hard to break
Iworo: the law stands firm.

Historical perspective

The Awori claim that they followed Olofin from Ife and part of the place they anchor on the way was Iro. The word marks something spectacular in Yoruba history.

Iro: Amendment to Constitution

Iloro is a manifestation of the two options for bend and soft in the same word, where it means becoming wealthy.

Iloro in the ancient Yoruba history is akin to Ilaje, having money. Oduduwa is known as Alaje. Aje is Yoruba icon for wealth.

Observe the saying: iwo olodo Oba, omo ate ni gbola. Our pointers are all intact in there, Iwo, Olodo, Oba, ate, ateni, gbola.

There's transfer of wealth with the amendment to the Constitution, and the recipient was Oduduwa.
grin grin grin complete trash found only in your night time imagination

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:18am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


I can see you think I am here to play your game. Who are you that nailing you would be my priority? It's your own lies and inexperience that will smoke you out like a rodent. Just a little moment from now.



Can you imagine this! Do I asked you to memorize anything? Good God, you knew he had several scholarship but missed out I asked you to read "The Oyo Empire" by Robin Law after you have mesmerized around the same title over and over? You are clueless.

My saying go back and read Robin Law got you confused because. You only caught hold of the name Robin Law, the title had never crossed your mind. Ohh what a Yoruba scholars you were, what an authoritative historian.

I must be a prophet, I thanked you for inviting men that are wiser than you to the thread when you invited ggregboy. He has cited the book I asked you to read on my thread on Oriki.



Your elicitation technique never worked on me. I only give as much as I would want others to know. You feigning "grandiose" to ferret facts from your victims that want to be right at all cost had never worked on me, so do the job and destroy it.

I think you should know I'm sponsored by mfm too, take it back to Facebook since it's what you live for.

Thats the only thing that is real here, this Jewish hangover is your life, your passion and your existence. It's what you live for to destroy in Yoruba history before it dare manifest and become a viable claim.

Before: no clue about the title yet



After: got the clue but not sure



Now: completely confused spoofing.



Scammer, you don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law



Long rants.

I don't doubt mfm or a similar church is paying you.. All of you are on a failed agenda cheesy
I take it you have nothing to say about Robin Law.
You just wanted to mention him to show that you've finally started reading a book cheesy
Congrats though.. Keep it up boy

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 1:20am On Jun 24, 2020
macof:


Like I said you are obsessed with my personality. And you are only looking for something to naile with cheesy
You have never found anything because there is none.. Just as you have not found evidence for your Hebrew claim.

Keep going back to my posts from 6 or 7 years ago grin
There's absolutely nothing in that post that you have to nail on me. Keep trying grin
At this point I'm done telling you to stop taking it personal. But your lack of maturity and common sense is out of this world

You don't have a personality, I do.

You are here to gather likes to feel good about your personality because it's all you have to feel relevant. I am here to consistently answer you, hoping that this website will outlive me.

At the end, every light needs a darkness to shine brighter, I'm the one using you to shine. Hence you have your rewards and I have mine. It's how God has designed it to be.

When plotting your character in a novel, you don't save him from going through the fire. Your kind of clique are the necessary devil that darken the cloud for Divine enlightenment to shine through.

Oyela, to cause fog on light, elaro wa, to cause light to pierce through the darkness.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:27am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


You don't have a personality, I do.

You are here to gather likes to feel good about your personality because it's all you have to feel relevant. I am here to consistently answer you, hoping that this website will outlive me.

At the end, every light needs a darkness to shine brighter, I'm the one using you to shine. Hence you have your rewards and I have mine. It's how God has designed it to be.

When plotting your character in a novel, you don't save him from going through the fire. Your kind of clique are the necessary devil that darken the cloud for Divine enlightenment to shine through.

grin this right here as well as many more previous declaration of light vs darkness over a thread on NL shows you are frantic and depend on nairaland fame. A failed reputation here hits you badly.
Anyone who questions you is met with attacks and called a destroyer. Anybody who commends you is met with joyful thanks and gratitude.
You also seem to have a serious thing with my posts getting likes

My friend getthafuvk out. Too childish
Or your ogas who pay you are complaining? cheesy cus this would explain the personal pain and childish act
All the "destroy people's work" (as if you have any work) "devil to my light" and others would make sense

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 1:28am On Jun 24, 2020
macof:



Long rants.

I don't doubt mfm or a similar church is paying you.. All of you are on a failed agenda cheesy
I take it you have nothing to say about Robin Law.
You just wanted to mention him to show that you've finally started reading a book cheesy
Congrats though.. Keep it up boy

Lazy scoundrel,

you want to bail out on yourself. Go on, I hold the information away from you this time. Can't read but keen to damage every hard labour others put in.



macof

grin what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 1:32am On Jun 24, 2020
macof:


grin this right here as well as many more previous declaration of light vs darkness over a thread on NL shows you are frantic and depend on nairaland fame. A failed reputation here hits you badly.
Anyone who questions you is met with attacks and called a destroyer. Anybody who commends you is met with joyful thanks and gratitude.
You also seem to have a serious thing with my posts getting likes

My friend getthafuvk out. Too childish

LOL,

Bloody Serpent

I've given you the idea of what personality is all about, you are quick to oversimplify it.

I'm seeking nairaland fame and you are seeking nairaland shame?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:37am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


LOL,

Bloody Serpent

I've given you the idea of what personality is all about, you are quick to oversimplify it.

I'm seeking nairaland fame and you are seeking nairaland shame?
grin mr giver of ideas...
Because the idea of personality was not known before you wrote the word "personality" in your previous comment grin

Giver of ideas and imaginative claims but not evidence cheesy

Bloody frantic clown grin
Keep it up. I'm enjoying your show

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 1:45am On Jun 24, 2020
macof:

grin mr giver of ideas...
Because the idea of personality was not known before you wrote the word "personality" in your previous comment grin

Giver of ideas and imaginative claims but not evidence cheesy

Bloody frantic clown grin
Keep it up. I'm enjoying your show

The clown is you.

You are the pathological liar and psychopath that must disgrace someone else to stay relevant.

Here you will earn likes, but I will use you to shine. It's a great trade.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:49am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


The clown is you.

You are the pathological liar and psychopath that must disgrace someone else to stay relevant.

Here you will earn likes, but I will use you to shine. It's a great trade.

You will shine when you provide historical records of Hebrew migration to Yorùbáland from either yorubas or Hebrews
Or archeological or genetic evidence to same effect grin

But in the words of MuttleyLaff
"This is like asking him to go squeeze water out of stone nah. You wan keel pesin be that ooo wiv dis kind request"

cheesy the day you squeeze water out of a stone is the day you will be able prove Yoruba have Hebrew heritage

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 2:00am On Jun 24, 2020
macof:

You will shine when you provide historical records of Hebrew migration to Yorùbáland from either yorubas or Hebrews
Or archeological or genetic evidence to same effect grin

It's impossible from your end because it's not a beat you were designed to unravel. And you are the infinitesimal entity I'm to hand over such information to should I have it.

Kid, read about ideas and how to protect your ideas from dreamkillers. Whatever you want to do in life, there's always the hordes to tell you that it's impossible.

They were men with good intentions. But that's what they were, dreamkillers. Hundreds of years afterwards, event confirms exactly what they claim to be impossible.

It's better to fall being original failure than succeed as a macof that abandoned his ideas of Oduduwa 6 years ago for one stupid micro claim that's conterproductive to his big-picture claim as a successful puppet just to answer "historian".

You are created to oppose me, so you are a sub, not main. Main never take instructions from sub.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:11am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


It's impossible from your end because it's not a beat you were designed to unravel. And you are the infinitesimal entity I'm to hand over such information to should I have it.

Kid, read about ideas and how to protect your ideas from dreamkillers. Whatever you want to do in life, there's always the hordes to tell you that it's impossible.

They were men with good intentions. But that's what they were, dreamkillers. Hundreds of years afterwards, event confirms exactly what they claim to be impossible.

It's better to fall being original failure than succeed as a macof that abandoned his ideas of Oduduwa 6 years ago for one stupid micro claim that's conterproductive to his big-picture claim as a successful puppet just to answer "historian".
Lmao. If you had it you would provide it
You wouldn't be desperate to get people to flock to you if you didn't care
Everything you have, you have dropped here. We've seen it all and seen your book.
Your book is on the same level as your posts here

Like I said.. the day you squeeze water out of a stone is the day you will be able prove Yoruba have Hebrew heritage
You are not prepared at all

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:42am On Jun 24, 2020
2prexios:


Are you afraid? You have always been killing yourself on another man's palalava day by day.

What you claim will not happen in your lifetime may happen after you are no longer around.
.
Interesting. Taken far too personal. You need to grow up if you have to resort to threatening death

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 2:48am On Jun 24, 2020
macof:

Interesting. Taken far too personal. You need to grow up if you have to resort to threatening death

Sorry if that hurts. I don't mean it that way. Thanks for the guidance.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 3:16am On Jun 24, 2020
I appreciate your collective efforts to see me fail, it's an inspiration to do more than I thought I could.

And thanks to my friends on this same page. Olu, metaphysical, etc. May God continue to bless us all.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 6:45am On Jun 24, 2020
RedboneSmith:
"During the later stages of the Late Stone Age, as farming turned wandering folks into settlers (from about 4000 BC), the scattered spread of farming people living in the West African region slowly began to get differentiated into related clusters and groups speaking proto-languages consisting of dialects that were related to one another.

Available linguistic evidence indicates that many such groups and clusters slowly formed on the banks of the Middle Niger, mostly in the area of the Niger—Benue confluence and above it. This linguistic evidence suggests that the Yoruba, Igala, Edo, Idoma, Ebira, Nupe, Kakanda, Gbagyi and Igbo belonged to a cluster of languages, now called Kwa sub-group of languages by modern scholars, belonging to a larger family of languages now called the Niger-Congo (or Nigritic) family of languages.

The small cluster was concentrated roughly around the Niger—Benue confluence. Over thousands of years, the groups in this cluster slowly separated as they developed distinctive characteristics, probably the last language groups to separate being the Igala and Yoruba. One study suggests that the proto-Yoruba and proto-Nupe language sub-families seem to have migrated from a little further up the Niger, slowly expanding towards the confluence, and that during that process each finally became differentiated from a mother language group.6

The clear implication of all this is that the origin of the Yoruba people as a linguistic and ethnic group belongs in the process of slow differentiation of proto-groups which occurred in the Middle Niger and around the Niger—Benue confluence, beginning about 4000 BC and continuing for thousands of years. It is, therefore, in this area that we must find the first home of the Yoruba as one people — the area close to the Niger—Benue confluence and further up the Niger, where the southern Nupe and the far northeastern Yoruba groups — the Yagba, Jumu, Ikiri, Oworo, Owe, and Bunu (now collectively called the Okun Yoruba by some scholars) — and the northernmost Igbomina, live today."


~ From "A History of the Yoruba People" by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye.

Professor Akintoye is a professional historian. Not an amateur dabbling into something he is ill-equipped to grasp properly. He has been doing serious history for sixty years.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 7:00am On Jun 24, 2020
RedboneSmith:
"During the later stages of the Late Stone Age, as farming turned wandering folks into settlers (from about 4000 BC), the scattered spread of farming people living in the West African region slowly began to get differentiated into related clusters and groups speaking proto-languages consisting of dialects that were related to one another.

Available linguistic evidence indicates that many such groups and clusters slowly formed on the banks of the Middle Niger, mostly in the area of the Niger—Benue confluence and above it. This linguistic evidence suggests that the Yoruba, Igala, Edo, Idoma, Ebira, Nupe, Kakanda, Gbagyi and Igbo belonged to a cluster of languages, now called Kwa sub-group of languages by modern scholars, belonging to a larger family of languages now called the Niger-Congo (or Nigritic) family of languages.

The small cluster was concentrated roughly around the Niger—Benue confluence. Over thousands of years, the groups in this cluster slowly separated as they developed distinctive characteristics, probably the last language groups to separate being the Igala and Yoruba. One study suggests that the proto-Yoruba and proto-Nupe language sub-families seem to have migrated from a little further up the Niger, slowly expanding towards the confluence, and that during that process each finally became differentiated from a mother language group.6

The clear implication of all this is that the origin of the Yoruba people as a linguistic and ethnic group belongs in the process of slow differentiation of proto-groups which occurred in the Middle Niger and around the Niger—Benue confluence, beginning about 4000 BC and continuing for thousands of years. It is, therefore, in this area that we must find the first home of the Yoruba as one people — the area close to the Niger—Benue confluence and further up the Niger, where the southern Nupe and the far northeastern Yoruba groups — the Yagba, Jumu, Ikiri, Oworo, Owe, and Bunu (now collectively called the Okun Yoruba by some scholars) — and the northernmost Igbomina, live today."


~ From "A History of the Yoruba People" by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye.

Professor Akintoye is a professional historian. Not an amateur dabbling into something he is ill-equipped to grasp properly. He has been doing serious history for sixty years.

This is a very creative history. It's purely a disregard for the tradition of the Yoruba folks to answer to the fad of the time.

Yoruba tradition has always been in the custody of Ifa oracular dicta and the people never wandered too far from it in their tradition.

It's not up to a century that the professors took over, and they're not better managers than the perpetual custodians of our history.

Any claim devoid of Ifa oracular dicta on Yoruba history is an act of benikan ba dafanu...
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 7:13am On Jun 24, 2020
Here's citation from the book Central Africa (1857) by the missionary Thomas Jefferson Bowen:

"According to one tradition of the Yorubas, their ancestors, and in fact, the original parents of the whole human race, were created at Ifeh, which still exists in the east of the Yoruba kingdom.

They told Lander, and have told me, that Ifeh, where men were created, is several months journey distant, and sometimes they speak of it as standing on the sea, although, of course, they are not ignorant of its true location.

There seems to be a confused memory of another Ifeh, from which their ancestors emigrated to this country, and founded the present town of that name, which is universally regarded as the metropolis of all the Yoruba tribes
."

People of the time still have clear claim to have emigrated from the sea or the east, as in the case of Ife to their present abode.

This (seafaring tradition) is the original notion that Yoruba alluded to. The claim is well attested to in Yoruba tradition.

It's long preseved and derived from Ifa. Yoruba reference to the sea is paraphrasing Ifa oracular dicta.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 3:15pm On Jun 24, 2020
This was a very educative and, at one point progressively enlightening thread.

I think absolutesuccess, prexios, macof, you guys need to step away and go do other things for few weeks to calm down and return. Alternatively, make conscious effort to ignore each other's posts for some lengthy time and cool off.

Your interaction has taken a new and ugly dimension.


Macof, I want to ask why you dont open thread to propose your own idea and theories of Yoruba roots?

Create your own theories on Ife and stop spoiling other people pursuit and theories.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 3:51pm On Jun 24, 2020
MetaPhysical:
This was a very educative and, at one point progressively enlightening thread.

I think absolutesuccess, prexios, macof, you guys need to step away and go do other things for few weeks to calm down and return. Alternatively, make conscious effort to ignore each other's posts for some lengthy time and cool off.

Your interaction has taken a new and ugly dimension.


Macof, I want to ask why you dont open thread to propose your own idea and theories of Yoruba roots?

Create your own theories on Ife and stop spoiling other people pursuit and theories.
I understand you but this is not neccesay and not productive

I won't stay off any post. If I see people declaring Yoruba are what I don't know them to be
I will ask for evidence. I do this everywhere even in real life conversations

And when I see posts about the Yoruba on things I know for sure are wrong I will make correction. When I am wrong I want people to correct me

That's how we move forward not by stroking egos and taking things personal. Reeks of childishness and some kind of psycho problem

If it is so easy to spoil other people's "theories" then those aren't even theories at all but just baseless claims
What are you afraid of? Why don't you encourage your so called theories being challenged?

PS. absolutesuccess, prexios, 2prexios are the same person
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 4:55pm On Jun 24, 2020
macof:

I understand you but this is not neccesay and not productive

I won't stay off any post. If I see people declaring Yoruba are what I don't know them to be
I will ask for evidence. I do this everywhere even in real life conversations

And when I see posts about the Yoruba on things I know for sure are wrong I will make correction. When I am wrong I want people to correct me

That's how we move forward not by stroking egos and taking things personal. Reeks of childishness and some kind of psycho problem

If it is so easy to spoil other people's "theories" then those aren't even theories at all but just baseless claims
What are you afraid of? Why don't you encourage your so called theories being challenged?

PS. absolutesuccess, prexios, 2prexios are the same person

I did not say dont challenge what you find problem with. I say for a change, you lead and show what the facts are. Open a thread and document Yoruba roots as you believe it to be.

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