MetaPhysical:


I did not say dont challenge what you find problem with. I say for a change, you lead and show what the facts are. Open a thread and document Yoruba roots as you believe it to be.

I accentuate to this.

You will not catch me on your (macof) thread whatever your claims are since it seems we don't get along very well from years of experience.

Please create your own thread on Yoruba history. Take the lead instead of needing to bring down another person's. It's long overdue.

Except you're still going through change

MetaPhysical:
This was a very educative and, at one point progressively enlightening thread.

I think absolutesuccess, prexios, macof, you guys need to step away and go do other things for few weeks to calm down and return. Alternatively, make conscious effort to ignore each other's posts for some lengthy time and cool off.

Your interaction has taken a new and ugly dimension.


Macof, I want to ask why you dont open thread to propose your own idea and theories of Yoruba roots?

Create your own theories on Ife and stop spoiling other people pursuit and theories.

I am so sorry for being very personal and vulgar and allowed my emotions to get the best of me.

I've struggled to hold back, but the temptations kept coming. I've begged and spoke calmness to no avail.

I will like to take your advice and step out after this decisive page. Thanks.

2prexios:


This is a very creative history. It's purely a disregard for the tradition of the Yoruba folks to answer to the fad of the time.

Yoruba tradition has always been in the custody of Ifa oracular dicta and the people never wandered too far from it in their tradition.

It's not up to a century that the professors took over, and they're not better managers than the perpetual custodians of our history.

Any claim devoid of Ifa oracular dicta on Yoruba history is an act of benikan ba dafanu...

Enikan la o fi ko...

Here's Professor E.A. Afigbo referencing the same findings where professor Akintoye version of Yoruba origin stemmed from in "Igbo Language And Culture"

My take is, how would things possibly turned out should he have loved to make a historical book independent of Akintoye version from the same linguistic findings?

It's going to be a different embellishment. And that equally reminds us of the recent submission of the Attah of Igala on where to look to find connection for the lower guinea language family.

Even the birth of Indo-European language hypothesis in the last few centuries was borne out of observation of correlations between the language of the Sanskrit as preserved in Veda, with Parsian/European languages.

Now etching the Yoruba history on it's puppet hypothesis of "Niger Congo linguistic family" without reference to Ifa oracular dicta and what it has to say is like an excellent abandonment of the "Veda" in the core of the Indo-European language hypothesis.

And who build an history on speculations from academics where notions don't have to last for centuries? Such is the world of the reactionary neo-elites the story was meant to serve.

MetaPhysical:


1. I did not say dont challenge what you find problem with.
2. I say for a change, you lead and show what the facts are. Open a thread and document Yoruba roots as you believe it to be.

1. This is from your previous post and I interpret it to mean you want me to stop asking for evidence or making corrections why are you people so obsessed with something you can't defend and don't like being questioned like this

MetaPhysical:
Alternatively, make conscious effort to ignore each other's posts for some lengthy time and cool off.

Create your own theories on Ife and stop spoiling other people pursuit and theories .

2. I always show what the facts are I am not spoiling any theory that isn't already spoilt or that was ever a theory to begin with.. .. my challenge is always open for anyone to point out where I go wrong. Whether I open a thread or not is of the most minimum significance because I can post anywhere. However when I am feeling it I would open a thread.. Don't worry about that

The real interesting thing is this begging for me to leave you alone

2prexios:


I accentuate to this.

You will not catch me on your (macof) thread whatever your claims are since it seems we don't get along very well from years of experience.

Please create your own thread on Yoruba history. Take the lead instead of needing to bring down another person's. It's long overdue.

Except you're still going through change

I don't have problems with anyone on a thread I make or having a different opinion.
Just come with facts, sources and/or evidence. Because if you don't you would just embarass yourself

My question to you is.. Why are you now begging me to stop posting?
I am giving you valuable facts and making very important corrections to where you blunder which you should be grateful for if you cared for Yoruba history it shouldn't hurt you or anger you if you want to boost your knowledge of yoruba history.. Certainly not for you to be so emotional and start issuing death wishes
It's not about you is it? Could it be that you don't give a damn about the history, you just want to be allowed to say whatever without question and get paid by your sponsors?
Because that is exactly what I suspect

People would appreciate when you come with facts and sources or at least let your own theories be based on a methodology that can be replicated severally and give identical results rather than just imagination
This is wrong and it is all I want you to understand, I am not here to fight you. two people who have the same intention but different opinions can always reach a consensus
So I want you to search yourself and be honest with yourself.. take emotions, sponsorship and all that out for a moment.. What exactly is your intention? Why must the Yoruba have Hebrew heritage even though it seems there is no currently available evidence for it. What is the purpose of that? Even if you are being paid can't you say no?

I have no personal problem with you. Never
I discuss history all the time in my real life and doing same here is even more relaxing and fun with all kinds of characters that I don't meet everyday

Concerning the death threats you are lucky I don't think you have the guts or means to harm me
Good you don't know who I am and even if you did you cannot get me where I am even though you and olu317 have said you have tried to locate me.. Olu even thought he actually did and said I am one Mr. Makinde. because who knows what your unhealthy obsession could lead you to do. Just don't be stupid and end up in jail over a silly need to be what you are not. I can locate you easily thanks to all the information you give away about yourself in a bid to market yourself. I don't know the type of endorphins you get from thinking you are Hebrew that would lead you to react that way but I wasn't surprised

2prexios:


Alright bro, give me an idea of the copies you might be getting to work with, then I will send it.

Thanks for the patronage in advance.

Just one for myself

rhektor:


Just one for myself

Alright bro, that should come as complementary copies then. I'll forward the booklets money control and Yoruba legend to you.

Some of the other titles are out of print now. Sometimes later I will produce the Amazon copies. Still working on the others.

My contact is on my absolutesuccess profile, I will forward the booklets to your address and you will pay the rider. Will that be okay?

Thanks.

2prexios:


Alright bro, that should come as complementary copies then. I'll forward the booklets money control and Yoruba legend to you.

Some of the other titles are out of print now. Sometimes later I will produce the Amazon copies. Still working on the others.

My contact is on my absolutesuccess profile, I will forward the booklets to your address and you will pay the rider. Will that be okay?

Thanks.

Yes thank you very much

rhektor:


Yes thank you very much

Send your contact to my number:

www.fohownigeria..com

Like I've said concerning compound interest on teaching what you learn, it's just the way nature repays every positive contributions to better inform others about facts lost to time.

When you are right about a point, what you get is more leads to continue. I've the clue clearer now that more neutral and equally valid statement in Oduduwa ateworo is "Oduduwa, the reformer of the law".

Ateworo a tun ewo ro.

Has such notion tenable in Yoruba psyche? Of course. The Yoruba speaks of God as "Oba ataye ro bi agogo", thus, remolding is part and parcel of Yoruba worldview.

Validation

If we look critically at Ifa, it should be Ifa Olokun by name, pure and simple. But the contribution of Oduduwa made it to be called odu ifa. Oju Odu were events of her time.

Oduduwa favoured 16 entries as main entries to be the perpetual headlines. These were àwôn omo oloja merindinlogun.

Osetura: one who broke the Torah up. Oduduwa was osetura, she broke the Torah into pieces for easy assimilation. It's a later event after her career and service to her people.

The Yoruba tradition is built on scientific inputs from great scholars and lawyer and courtiers like we have in Oduduwa

kayfra:


You have the best made up words in the business

Kindly Read A.B Ellis : Oduduwan Revolution.

macof:
I made some corrections (in bold)

I couldn't confirm any of the egyptian words here to be what you claim they mean. But i did find errors
So imagine no word was verified but a few errors came out.

How then can you defend this list? Do you have a dictionary or comprehensive lexicon that can verify these words since nobody here speaks egyptian
@lx3as

Read Oduduwan Revolution by A.B Ellis for a start.

macof:


1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.



4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

1. Stop being ignorant If your understanding of English language does not conform with Semitic inscription. This doesn't mean the comparative analysis is not false.

2. I didn't take Muhammad Bello's account as the bais because Ahmed Baba wrote it first in 17th century and not just Muhammad Bello's account of 19th century. Lol

4. Ifaodu is the accurate word from the Semitic inscription which I have read and not Odu ifa. This doesn't mean Oduifa is not also used as a West Africa entry. In near East account, Ifa is prefix in this regard. But what does Ifa mean, since you have knowledge of it?

b. Ifaodu is beyond history, herbology. So try to understudy through Ifaodu priest: Olifa or Alufa or Onifa .

Ephod is not a garment but to cast lot.

Raml : Arabic
Urim: Hebrew
Ramiela; orunmiela
From the above the three have related root.

c. What about the left dancing ?
What about the bowing of one's two knees while the two hands are raised up in worship of Ela; as an initiate when you pray before your Ifaodu calabash ?

d. Hebrews and Arab are related ,so don't doubt the link between the two. Interestingly, even the biblical written research work proved that some words were borrowed from Arabic words.

Are you even aware that nearly all Yoruba daily words were drawn from Arabic roots ?

It is true, that in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Fon, Ewe, Edo in the same way fa is found in North Africa. So it is not new whence you teach people part of religion despite the fact that they are not Yoruba ethnically linked group. Unfortunately for you, non of these non of the people have boldly came up to showcase this religion jn western world as Yoruba's Ifaodu that's respected .

Are you even aware that Western scholars claimed Ifaodu is learned or taught by Arabs to yoruba people ?

macof,

David is not the accurate meaning of the man's name in the same way Hebrew is not accurate instead, Abari is (Eber, Aboram or Eboram ) what you people and western world misunderstood; English interpreters of Septuagint works,which is not accurate as well unless one consider the account of Arab who are closest to Hebrew. The newer study shows that Abari is accurate. This doesn't mean that the interpreters didn't do their best at it ,in the same manner Oral Yoruba account have some truth and some overstated or false information, on Obatala and Oduduwa or dawaodu. Mind you considering Ora mi yah as a name of a descendant of Oshimole ; one who came with the knowledge of ‘Iwa'.

Do you know the story of Ebora in Yoruba's history ?


Funnily the Arabic inscription attested to Dawud. David. The 'W' which is Waw didn't have any diacritics nor does any word found in the early era had diacritics. So,I stand by the two names that exist in Yoruba and Arab's account as cognate. Dawud or Dawudu or Dawaodu mean, unlce or head or leader in both Language. Either you believe it or not, the kingly lineage was destroyed in 509 BC when Yudah had no king due to captivity

To prove further point, there is no word like Jehovah in the Bible, which is contrary to the wbat you have heard from people ,as a name of God. The word is:
Yud+ Hey + Waw + Hey ,which is called ‘YHWH'

Even at this, you can can't pronounce this word without considering the sacred identity of Ela, in both Yoruba and the Classic Hebrew. The amazing thing is that the meaning is unknown among the interpreters of classic Hebrew interpreters. In Yoruba's worldview Iwa is seen as the name character of Ela. Meanwhile.considering the alphabets that made up of the YHWH

Yud; ee,I or y; Y is used in the beginning while I or ee are used in between or at the end

Hey: H or ah; H ,used in the beginning and Ah as the last when added to word to make a meaning

Waw: o,w,u ;

Despite the above analysis by western interpreters, there are ‘minute' errors in the interpenetration of the alphabets, considering the word and some others.

Clearly, if you understand the reverence to ‘Iwa', then you will appreciate the fact that Odu Iwa(Igba Iwa) is amazingly seen and venerated as Ela's personification, which is different from Arabic world view. This doesn't mean there is no connection or link between Arabic with Yoruba's, if you realised that knowledge of Islam simultaneously is in parallel with some form of Yoruba's sacrifice. Ram,sheep,as a sacrificial animal,even if some other culture in West Africa learned it through Ifaodu's knowledge as found in today's world in South and North America.

absoluteSuccess:


Daodu or David is derived from an ancient word much earlier than Israel adoption of it, meaning "leader". David had a real native name, Elhana.

Bro, a man who can kill bear with a bare hand is Ehana proper in Yoruba. Assume the letter "l" to be silent in Yoruba in this circumstance.

So Daodu and Beere are words that may have come with the Yoruba from ancient Palestine. I may not be privy of its influence on Oduduwa as a name tho.

Just wanted to affirm the root of the Daodu as Dawood (David), where it means leader. And do you have any idea of the horsetail paraphenalia?

No such name as Ehana is linked to Dawud or David because I am not aware of it.. Meanwhile, in Near East culture, hunting, expedition,remain part of their culture in the same manner that animal husbandry is a major work being done. So, he wasn't the only one that was good at hunting. Although he was extra ordinary a brilliant, warrior, compassionate, humble, good judge, self willed, and a believer of supreme God.

Root word : Dal+ Waw+ Dal (d,w,d)
Dal: d
Waw: w,o,u
Dal: d

Note: Sorry for the late reply because I had bot problem severally and becane pissed off.


Cheers

gowonmaharajah:
@absolutesuccess
@Olu317.
I have been following your threads and inputs from page 1.and I can confidently say you're really doing a good work.
keep it up,Sirs.

Thanks for the follow up. I doff my hat .

Olu317:
Kindly Read A.B Ellis : Oduduwan Revolution.

What?! Like how do you even come up with bullshit like this

First of all there's no book titled "oduduwan revolution" by A. B. Ellis
Secondly, Ellis has no knowledge of ancient or Coptic Egyptian language so it is very unlikely that he would be the source for that your Egyptian-Yoruba words list
That list has been posted on different online platforms for years without any valid source or verification through a valid Egyptian dictionary

Stop mentioning random authors that you don't even know. If you have no source admit it and save yourself further embarrassment

That list remains nothing but a piece of shiit until you provide a dictionary or valid lexica with those words meaning what you claim they mean

Olu317:


1. Stop being ignorant If your understanding of English language does not conform with Semitic inscription. This doesn't mean the comparative analysis is not false.

2. I didn't take Muhammad Bello's account as the bais because Ahmed Baba wrote it first in 17th century and not just Muhammad Bello's account of 19th century. Lol

4. Ifaodu is the accurate word from the Semitic inscription which I have read and not Odu ifa. This doesn't mean Oduifa is not also used as a West Africa entry. In near East account, Ifa is prefix in this regard. But what does Ifa mean, since you have knowledge of it?

b. Ifaodu is beyond history, herbology. So try to understudy through Ifaodu priest: Olifa or Alufa or Onifa .

Ephod is not a garment but to cast lot.

Raml : Arabic
Urim: Hebrew
Ramiela; orunmiela
From the above the three have related root.

c. What about the left dancing ?
What about the bowing of one's two knees while the two hands are raised up in worship of Ela; as an initiate when you pray before your Ifaodu calabash ?

d. Hebrews and Arab are related ,so don't doubt the link between the two. Interestingly, even the biblical written research work proved that some words were borrowed from Arabic words.

Are you even aware that nearly all Yoruba daily words were drawn from Arabic roots ?

It is true, that in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Fon, Ewe, Edo in the same way fa is found in North Africa. So it is not new whence you teach people part of religion despite the fact that they are not Yoruba ethnically linked group. Unfortunately for you, non of these non of the people have boldly came up to showcase this religion jn western world as Yoruba's Ifaodu that's respected .

Are you even aware that Western scholars claimed Ifaodu is learned or taught by Arabs to yoruba people ?

macof:


1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

This was the point you were supposed to respond to with this your point 1?? Really?
Does your response really make sense to you?

If you can't address something, why not leave it unanswered instead of going off topic?

Please make sure you are ok before trying to respond to my posts

Olu317:
No such name as Ehana is linked to Dawud or David because I am not aware of it.. Meanwhile, in Near East culture, hunting, expedition,remain part of their culture in the same manner that animal husbandry is a major work being done. So, he wasn't the only one that was good at hunting. Although he was extra ordinary a brilliant, warrior, compassionate, humble, good judge, self willed, and a believer of supreme God.

Root word : Dal+ Waw+ Dal (d,w,d)
Dal: d
Waw: w,o,u
Dal: d

Note: Sorry for the late reply because I had bot problem severally and becane pissed off.


Cheers

Alright bro,

Pardon my error, it should be elhanan. I missed the last letter. The information is a rare insight.

I wish you read more on Jair (Yare) the Bethlehemite for clear picture of where I'm driving at. It's been a while sir.

Irukere

This paraphernalia is important to the Yoruba kings, let's say iye omo nii gbomo, irukere nii gbomo orunmila for instance.

The horsetail is used as adornment in Turkish military. Could it be a coincidence with that of the Yoruba? What's the connection?

The link however is, how does the horsetail got to the Yoruba in the first instance?

We can consider this by comparing the closest words to Yoruba for the horse as the route through which the horse came to Yoruba.

Yoruba ...Esin
English ...horse
Hebrew ...Esu
Latin. ...Equus
Greek ....Hippos
French ....Cavali
Arabic ...Hisanu

In the above, the three words sharing similarities are the Yoruba, English and Hebrew. There had been a lost connection in the ancient history between the three languages.

Esin-horse, Yoruba English

Esin-horse: back in the days of the slave trade, a Yoruba man is exchanged for a stallion, which is a prize at the time.

A horse from English language can settle down in Yoruba language as eshin if we got it first from England in trade exchange.

The same is tenable with sile for shilling, karamasiki, charismatic, mundia, just to mention but few.

Esin-Esu, Yoruba Hebrew

Eshin-Esu this is to assume that the Yoruba had earlier knowledge of the horse. Note, the horse is not a fauna of Yoruba land.

Then when they saw it again, they recognize it as what they used to know as eshin. But then Esu and eshin did not sound similar.

Both words derived from the same source and since languages continue to change when they separates each word equally changes.

Esin and Esu therefore derived from the same sound, much more closely related than horse.

we need time machine ..

please i don't want to be merge with no igbo or niger benue congo...Yoruba are different breed of people migrated to our present location

macof:



This was the point you were supposed to respond to with this your point 1?? Really?
Does your response really make sense to you?

If you can't address something, why not leave it unanswered instead of going off topic?

Please make sure you are ok before trying to respond to my posts

You seem to be intellectually dehydrated because, I responded to your ignorance because, you claimed Dawaodu is not tenable but David. Unfortunately for your type,there is no ‘ v' in ‘WaW', except the one which was later created through interpretation of Septuagints that spread to Europe.

I didn't go topic. So stop lying.

Obviously you have no clue to the questions I asked you in my reply. Thus, I won't give you anymore audience unless you answer my questions as well. Afterwards, you seek knowledge that seem strange to you.


Note: note my fault but yours

macof:


What?! Like how do you even come up with bullshit like this

First of all there's no book titled "oduduwan revolution" by A. B. Ellis
Secondly, Ellis has no knowledge of ancient or Coptic Egyptian language so it is very unlikely that he would be the source for that your Egyptian-Yoruba words list
That list has been posted on different online platforms for years without any valid source or verification through a valid Egyptian dictionary

Stop mentioning random authors that you don't even know. If you have no source admit it and save yourself further embarrassment

1.That list remains nothing but a piece of shiit until you provide a dictionary or valid lexica with those words meaning what you claim they mean

Lol. I know you wont understand a simple leeway. Therefore, read Ancient Egyptians and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regualrby Théophile Obenga.

2. Ellis, A.B., The Yoruba speaking people of slave coast of West Africa, their religion customs, manners, laws ,language etc anthropological publishers

Note: Unless you respond to my questions in the previous posts, I won't entertain your views anymore.

Olu317:
You seem to be intellectually dehydrated because, I responded to your ignorance because, you claimed Dawaodu is not tenable but David. Unfortunately for your type,there is no ‘ v' in ‘WaW', except the one which was later created through interpretation of Septuagints that spread to Europe.

I didn't go topic. So stop lying.

Obviously you have no clue to the questions I asked you in my reply. Thus, I won't give you anymore audience unless you answer my questions as well. Afterwards, you seek knowledge that seem strange to you.


Note: note my fault but yours

Lmao this guy is a real clown

When did I talk about David with you. Are you on drugs or something? I spoke of the "descent from heaven" being a part of yoruba tradition and you started talking about English and Semitic inscription, now David

Come on get outta here if you don't have anything to say again as usual. It's not by force to pitch a reply, when you have no actual response.
Bloody clowns embarrassing themselves

Olu317:
Lol. I know you wont understand a simple leeway. Therefore, read Ancient Egyptians and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regualrby Théophile Obenga.

2. Ellis, A.B., The Yoruba speaking people of slave coast of West Africa, their religion customs, manners, laws ,language etc anthropological publishers

Note: Unless you respond to my questions in the previous posts, I won't entertain your views anymore.

another poor attempt
I am aware of Obenga 's ancient Egyptian - sub saharan Africa common origin hypothesis using certain words.
He never restricted his words list to Yoruba alone. He mentions Egyptian connection to all of Africa not just Yoruba

Rendering your claims of yoruba being of non-African origin essentially invalid if he is your source. you should tell me the real source of your claims

Also you have posted his list before and I already pointed out problems with it :
the yoruba part of his list gives wrong translations into english eg.
bà is not germinate
Bùsi is not bless
Bọ́sé is not secretly
Bùsà is not honor or respect
And its Ọtí not Bọ́ti


this is the word list from Obenga and it is clearly not the Egyptian-Yoruba wordslist i asked a source for. This is a different list
www.nairaland.com/attachments/7782794_img20180915115237_jpeg3a3eefc25dab5ae83ebefeb30bbdad3f


I asked you for the source of this

Olu317:


6. Yoruba language is Coptic Egyptian's in the same way you found it in Bini, Dahomey. What is Coptic Language ? it is a ritual ancient Christian language that was spoken in Egypt at a time in history. Bro,try to learn how to juxtapose with civility and uprightness. Below are:

COPTIC EGYPTIAN'S IN COMPARISON WITH LANGUAGE YORUBA COGNATE

1. Egypt. Wu (rise)
Yoruba: Wu (rise)

2. Egypt: Akhat(calendar, season, period) aha-t
Yoruba : Wakati (time, period, season)

3. Egypt: Eaure (Python / Serpent)
Yoruba: Ere (gigantic snake,python/ Serpent)

4. Egypt: HOrise (a great god) it is Heru (horus is greek name for Heru) why capitalize the O?
Yoruba: Orisha,risha,oritse,orise (a great god,ancestors, head, patrilineal or matrilineal ancestors)


5. Egypt: group of worshiper Sen (group of worshipers)
Yoruba: Sin,Si,sen (assemblage of worshippers to worship)


6. Egypt: Ged (to chant) hak/hek
Yoruba: Ogede, Igede (a chant)

7. Egypt:Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

8. Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

9. Egypt: On ( living person)
Yoruba: One ( living person)

10. Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

11. Egypt:Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

12. Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Okun, Ekun (,strength, bold, brave man)


13. Egypt: Odonit (festival) Heb
Yoruba: Odon , odun (festival)

14. Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath) teper
Yoruba : mae, Mi (to breathe )

15.Egypt: Tebu (a town)
Yoruba: Tebu(a town)

16. Egypt: Adumu (a water god) Ur-Henu .... there is no Adumu in Egyptian religion nice try
Yoruba: Adumu (a water venerated deity)

17. Egypt: Khu (to kill) Spirit not "to kill"
Yoruba: Ku (die)

18. Egypt Rekha (knowledge}
Yoruba: rikha, re ka(to be able to read ; knowledgeable)

19. Egypt : Hika (evil) it means magic, Divine power
Yoruba: Ika,uka (evil , wickedness, wicked,

20. Egypt : Mhebi (humble)
Yoruba: Mebi, humble to ones family

20. Egypt: Sata (perfect)
Yoruba: Santan (perfect)

21 Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una, Ina, na, (fire,light)

22. Egypt: Tan (complete)
Youba: Tan (complete,finished,)

23.Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (,tremble, fear)

24. Egypt: Em (smell)
Yoruba: Emi (smell)

25.Egypt: Pa (open)
Yoruba: Pa (break open) what yoruba do you speak? how is "pa" = break open

26. Egyt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)

27/Egypt: Heqet-Re (frog deity) it is simply Heqet...not Heqet-re
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

28. Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

29. Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

30. Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

31 Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba: Omi (water)


32.Egypt : Ra (time)
Yoruba: Ira (time)

34 Egypt: Oni (title of Osiris)
Yoruba : Oni (title of the king of Ife)

35.Egypt: Budo (dwelling place)
Yoruba: Ibudo,Budo (dwelling place)


36 Egypt: Dudu (black image of Osiris)
Yoruba: Dudu (black person)

37. Egypt: Un (living person)
Yoruba: Uni, unea, eni (living person, individual person)

38. Egypt: Ra (possess)
Yoruba: Ra (possess/buy)


39.Egypt: Beka (pray/confess)
Yoruba: Be or ka (to pray or confess)

40.Egypt: Po (many)
Yoruba: Po (many/cheap)

41. Egypt: Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo
Yoruba: Horuw,Orun, (head) Ori

42.Egypt: Ash (invocation)
Yoruba: Ashe (invocation,authority)

44Egypt: Aru (mouth)
Yoruba: Arun, anu (mouth )

45.Egypt: Do (river) Iteru
Yoruba: Odo (river)

46.Egypt: Do (settlement)
Yoruba: Ido, Udo,Do (settlement)

47. Egypt: Bu (a place)
Yoruba: Bu ,a place


48.Egypt: Khepara (beetle) Khepri
Yoruba: Apakara, Akpakara (beetle)

49. Egypt: Ra -Shu (light after darkness)
Yoruba: Uran-shu, Ora shu, Oru shu, (the sunlight is dim, he sun light of the moon, night time when light has dimmed)

50 Egyt: Run-ka (spirit name) there is nothing like Run-ka, just Ka and it means Divine power, what yoruba call Ase
Yoruba:Oruko, ruko(name)

51 Egypt: Aru (rise)
Yoruba: Ru, a ro, ro (rise up)


52.Egyot: Ma (to know)
Yoruba: Ma (to know)

53. Egypt: Mu (water)
Yoruba:Mu, omi, ( water)

Neither Obenga nor Ellis are your source. Try again, the third time

macof:


Lmao this guy is a real clown

When did I talk about David with you. Are you on drugs or something? I spoke of the "descent from heaven" being a part of yoruba tradition and you started talking about English and Semitic inscription, now David

Come on get outta here if you don't have anything to say again as usual. It's not by force to pitch a reply, when you have no actual response.
Bloody clowns embarrassing themselves

Lol So it suddenly slipped off your mind that the Dawaodu Ie mentioned which you claimed isnt David doesn't exist anymore in your head ? No wonder you seek knowledge yet you remain cunny.

As far as I am concerned, you don't beyond this stage with unless you answer the questions I asked you when i replied to your gibberish.

macof:




another poor attempt
I am aware of Obenga 's ancient Egyptian - sub saharan Africa common origin hypothesis using certain words.
He never restricted his words list to Yoruba alone. He mentions Egyptian connection to all of Africa not just Yoruba

Rendering your claims of yoruba being of non-African origin essentially invalid if he is your source. you should tell me the real source of your claims

Also you have posted his list before and I already pointed out problems with it :
the yoruba part of his list gives wrong translations into english eg.
bà is not germinate
Bùsi is not bless
Bọ́sé is not secretly
Bùsà is not honor or respect
And its Ọtí not Bọ́ti


this is the word list from Obenga and it is clearly not the Egyptian-Yoruba wordslist i asked a source for. This is a different list
www.nairaland.com/attachments/7782794_img20180915115237_jpeg3a3eefc25dab5ae83ebefeb30bbdad3f


I asked you for the source of this



Neither Obenga nor Ellis are your source. Try again, the third time

‘ Ba' is not germinate? This only show how many lies you had posted in the past and this particular one.

No wonder, people who are well studied or studying agree to the testament of linguistic connection between Yoruba and Egypt, in which you boldly claimed as False!Thoroughly, ‘Ba' is homonymous in nature in which I know more than eight ( meaning of it . Below is a screenshot of ‘Ba' which means ,‘to germinate'.

Olu317:
Lol So it suddenly slipped off your mind that the Dawaodu Ie mentioned which you claimed isnt David doesn't exist anymore in your head ? No wonder you seek knowledge yet you remain cunny.

As far as I am concerned, you don't beyond this stage with unless you answer the questions I asked you when i replied to your gibberish.

Mr. Man just stop embarrassing yourself. Its OK if you can't address something.. Leave it and move on

Olu317:
‘ Ba' is not germinate? This only show how many lies you had posted in the past and this particular one.

No wonder, people who are well studied or studying agree to the testament of linguistic connection between Yoruba and Egypt, in which you boldly claimed as False!Thoroughly, ‘Ba' is homonymous in nature in which I know more than eight ( meaning of it . Below is a screenshot of ‘Ba' which means ,‘to germinate'.

any Yoruba speaker knows something is off there
it's unlikely that a single word of a single syllable with the same tone would have so many different translations. Meanings are based on tones in tonal languages of the Niger-Congo group of languages. Homonyms are for example Ògún, Ogún etc not Ògún and Ògún

But let me move past this, after all I was the one who asked you to always use dictionary since I caught that you often say words and meanings that don't match
let's then agree that ok probably bà means to germinate

What about Busa, Boti, Bose, busi? Why did you not show us dictionary translation for these?

Also my question to you was actually to provide your source for the 53 Egyptian-Yoruba words you put there. I already embarrassed you on using Obenga to justify your claim that yoruba are not of African origin, which is the opposite of what Obenga was saying
Obenga was trying to illustrate that Egypt is a true African civilization by connecting it to other true African groups

2prexios:


Alright bro,

Pardon my error, it should be elhanan. I missed the last letter. The information is a rare insight.

I wish you read more on Jair (Yare) the Bethlehemite for clear picture of where I'm driving at. It's been a while sir.

Irukere

This paraphernalia is important to the Yoruba kings, let's say iye omo nii gbomo, irukere nii gbomo orunmila for instance.

The horsetail is used as adornment in Turkish military. Could it be a coincidence with that of the Yoruba? What's the connection?

The link however is, how does the horsetail got to the Yoruba in the first instance?

We can consider this by comparing the closest words to Yoruba for the horse as the route through which the horse came to Yoruba.

Yoruba ...Esin
English ...horse
Hebrew ...Esu
Latin. ...Equus
Greek ....Hippos
French ....Cavali
Arabic ...Hisanu

In the above, the three words sharing similarities are the Yoruba, English and Hebrew. There had been a lost connection in the ancient history between the three languages.

Esin-horse, Yoruba English

Esin-horse: back in the days of the slave trade, a Yoruba man is exchanged for a stallion, which is a prize at the time.

A horse from English language can settle down in Yoruba language as eshin if we got it first from England in trade exchange.

The same is tenable with sile for shilling, karamasiki, charismatic, mundia, just to mention but few.

Esin-Esu, Yoruba Hebrew

Eshin-Esu this is to assume that the Yoruba had earlier knowledge of the horse. Note, the horse is not a fauna of Yoruba land.

Then when they saw it again, they recognize it as what they used to know as eshin. But then Esu and eshin did not sound similar.

Both words derived from the same source and since languages continue to change when they separates each word equally changes.

Esin and Esu therefore derived from the same sound, much more closely related than horse.

No problem my oga. But kindly make the questions easy for me in such a way that I can answer you without leaving any one unknowingly.

Thus, Jair in my research work has cognate with jire in one of the generated cognates Although, there are over twenty(20) generated words.

2. I have not done much on Irukere for now. So, my concentration is on linguistic,ideograms,pictographs etc in the connection.


3. Eshin has about two or more different names from my research work.I have not come to the knowledge of ‘Esu as Hebrew word for horse.' This is a pointer to the fact,that the Classic Hebrew interpreters are not perfect in the accurate name and transliteration and interpretation, which I mentioned that ‘Jehovah' didn't exist in Hebrew lexicon which English language interpreted around 17th century,until further studies begun to reconstruct the near the accurate . Meanwhile, name chosen are, sus, susa(h) and horesh.

Note. Send me your e-mail so that I can give you a weblink to read through and do research on if need be.


Cheers

Olu317:
‘ Ba' is not germinate? This only show how many lies you had posted in the past and this particular one.

No wonder, people who are well studied or studying agree to the testament of linguistic connection between Yoruba and Egypt, in which you boldly claimed as False!Thoroughly, ‘Ba' is homonymous in nature in which I know more than eight ( meaning of it . Below is a screenshot of ‘Ba' which means ,‘to germinate'.

You either le or ba vegetables.

It's a way to grow tomatoes. First, you ba, that is you put it on a bed like ridge and put atibaba on it. This phase allow the plant to germinate.

Later, you transfer the tomatoes cotyledons to their permanent position to grow. You do this while it rains most of the time. This is le.

Ba is as you have it in Oba.

As a farmer, the atibaba is to shield the fragile cotyledons from the harsh rays of the ultraviolet. Vegetables need humidity to grow.

macof:



any Yoruba speaker knows something is off there
it's unlikely that a single word of a single syllable with the same tone would have so many different translations. Meanings are based on tones in tonal languages of the Niger-Congo group of languages. Homonyms are for example Ògún, Ogún etc not Ògún and Ògún

But let me move past this, after all I was the one who asked you to always use dictionary since I caught that you often say words and meanings that don't match
let's then agree that ok probably bà means to germinate

What about Busa, Boti, Bose, busi? Why did you not show us dictionary translation for these?

Also my question to you was actually to provide your source for the 53 Egyptian-Yoruba words you put there. I already embarrassed you on using Obenga to justify your claim that yoruba are not of African origin, which is the opposite of what Obenga was saying
Obenga was trying to illustrate that Egypt is a true African civilization by connecting it to other true African groups

lol. I have answered you,so bury your head in humility!

Your pride has taking away your ability to maneuver through understudy beyond written works which all authors believe that once a better version of information exist through hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms,philology, which you take with levity, in which one need to consider critical analysis of Yoruba's ethnography.

How can you embarrass me when those cognates exist ? In ‘Kings and Crown' there is word as an Egyptian's Pharaoh's word known as liad,which means ‘chamber', place where Pharaoh discuss with his council. Guess what ? Iledi comes to mind! Honestly, my take on your personality is that your pride is grandeur and pride comes before fall.

Well on provision of the cognates comparison,will only make you feel bitter. But you can read the description between Yoruba and Egyptians Coptic connection in Olumide Lucas and Cannon 's work.So, also Olomu and eyebira on Egyptian connection. Perhaps, once you humble yourself, I shall consider it.



Cheers