gensteejay:

Say what in particular?

You know them and it is the same reason why you like this thread.

Dtruthspeaker:


No, you are not saying "exam malpractice" but you are rather saying that the exam is not good because people cheat during examinations.

Cultism on its own force, sounds like a bad thing already like armed robbery or kidnapping, all of which people naturally have condemned from the beginning, even before any person what it up as a profession or religion, which is not so, with the practice of Respecting the Creator and our Creator!

Why changing what I said? Again I said Exam Malpractices and not exam, so let's discuss that. As for cultism, it sounds bad to you but not to everybody. Some people use it for their advantage, same as religion is used to the advantage of some too. But both cultism and religion do more harm than good, that's exactly why they should be gotten rid of in this 21st century.

OtemAtum:
Why changing what I said? Again I said Exam Malpractices and not exam, so let's discuss that. As for cultism, it sounds bad to you but not to everybody. Some people use it for their advantage, same as religion is used to the advantage of some too. But both cultism and religion do more harm than good, that's exactly why they should be gotten rid of in this 21st century.

I have answered that exam malpractice is like kidnapping and cultism, it is bad ab initio!

Worship of the Highest, is exactly like going to the stadium every weekend, to watch football, going to the club or going to the cinema.

Doing these things does not make you a good or bad Person.

You are already a good or bad person even before you do them or whether you do these things or not.

Juliusmomoh:
This thread is open 4 those who don't belive in christ...... Beliver's beware

Jesus Christ preached against religion as well... He warned vehemently against it.
God preached against religion ... He made it clear that He never asked this of man.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ preached against religion as well... He warned vehemently against it.
God preached against religion ... He made it clear that He never asked this of man.

Can u show me anywhere in the bible where jesus preached about religion ?

Kobojunkie:

I believe you to be correct. The mentality of the average African is what breeds these addictions, creating the many problems we have today, including religion -- essentially taking even some of the best ideas available and turning it upside down in the end.

The mentality of an African man is so bad that the best ideas available is being used upside down, imagine the idea of white bringing computer, internet, to make things easier and for human comfort, only for some Africans to turn the idea upside down, by using it for fraud. Most Africans thinks in an opposite way.

Juliusmomoh:

Can u show me anywhere in the bible where jesus preached about religion ?

Everytime Jesus Christ stood up against the teachings of the Pharisees, He was teaching against the religions of men which is comprised of the doctrines and traditions of men. Jesus Christ did not come to preach religion but a new way to God who never asked us for religion but for our obedience.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted

robinso01:
The mentality of an African man is so bad that the best ideas available is being used upside down, imagine the idea of white bringing computer, internet, to make things easier and for human comfort, only for some Africans to turn the idea upside down, by using it for fraud. Most Africans thinks in an opposite way.

Yes, these problems are created sadly by weak-minded individuals who mask their weakness in every way possible rather than addressing it.

Dtruthspeaker:


I have answered that exam malpractice is like kidnapping and cultism, it is bad ab initio!

Worship of the Highest, is exactly like going to the stadium every weekend, to watch football, going to the club or going to the cinema.

Doing these things does not make you a good or bad Person.

You are already a good or bad person even before you do them or whether you do these things or not.

So what do you think of religion as regards sacrificing human beings to their so called Highest? Is it still same as watching football and going to club? And what about religion that killed gay, lesbians, sodomites, adulterers in thousands? Is it still like watching football or going to club, because as much as I know, clubbing and football viewing centres are not places where they ask people to kill each others, but almost all religion directly commanded their worshippers to kill others. For example Christianity religion and Islam. Check the Bible and Quran very well. Then our traditional religions had also encouraged human sacrifices.

Kobojunkie:

Everytime Jesus Christ stood up against the teachings of the Pharisees, He was teaching against the religions of men which is comprised of the doctrines and traditions of men. Jesus Christ did not come to preach religion but a new way to God who never asked us for religion but for our obedience.

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted

and that new way required obedience right?, hence some sort of following, moving from the old way or perceived wrong way of doing things to a better way right?

So it wasn't the religion been the issue but the practices of the people or rather their approach to it, cos like you said Jesus taught against their approach, which was and is the root cause of alot issues among religious or rather people of 'faith'.

RealEzee:
and that new way required obedience right?, hence some sort of following, moving from the old way or perceived wrong way of doing things to a better way right?

So it wasn't the religion been the issue but the practices of the people or rather their approach to it, cos like you said Jesus taught against their approach, which was and is the root cause of alot issues among religious or rather people of 'faith'.

Speaking of the Bible God, He never called them to practice religion. He simply came to make a deal with the people through His Covenants. Man on the other hand is responsible for creation of what we know of religion today.
During the Old Covenant days, men created religion as a way of controlling and administrating that which is of God and the things of God - a source of power for them, and this was done through the creation of doctrines and traditions , nevertheless in contradiction to the very teachings/commandments of God.
God commanded man to obey Him, but man chose to institute his own ideas and rituals, teaching people to follow/obey them in place of God's own commandments. By putting man between God and those who are His, man encouraged idolatry which in turn makes vain and worthless man's worship of God.
Jesus Christ taught His followers to resists all doctrines and traditions of men(religion), focusing instead of obeying the details of the contract that He, Jesus Christ, brings to men. And to ensure this, Jesus Christ instituted His own person as the only teacher to those who are His followers.. meaning only His teachings will be followed and obey by those who truly belong to Him.

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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6. These men love to have the places of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues.
7. They love for people to show respect to them in the marketplaces and to call them ‘Teacher.’
8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

So religion is the problem as it is against Jesus Christ and His teachings(contract) with man.

OtemAtum:
So what do you think of religion as regards sacrificing human beings to their so called Highest? Is it still same as watching football and going to club? And what about religion that killed gay, lesbians, sodomites, adulterers in thousands? Is it still like watching football or going to club, because as much as I know, clubbing and football viewing centres are not places where they ask people to kill each others, but almost all religion directly commanded their worshippers to kill others. For example Christianity religion and Islam. Check the Bible and Quran very well. Then our traditional religions had also encouraged human sacrifices.

Good, at least, you have landed on good ground, which was my point and so I can safely stop here and say in Eminem's voice, it is said "religion says it, it don't know if you do it or not"

Just like the coach has taught, trained and told his players what games strategy to employ, but it is always up to the players to carryout the plan and strategy they have in their own minds.

OtemAtum:
Why changing what I said? Again I said Exam Malpractices and not exam, so let's discuss that. As for cultism, it sounds bad to you but not to everybody. Some people use it for their advantage, same as religion is used to the advantage of some too. But both cultism and religion do more harm than good, that's exactly why they should be gotten rid of in this 21st century.

What defines a thing to be good or bad? moral or immoral?

If not religion.

Usorohtheman:


What defines a thing to be good or bad? moral or immoral?

If not religion.

Religion doesn't define what is good or bad, but human judgement of things does. And there is nothing perfectly good or bad. To prove to you that religion doesn't define good or bad, take the case of idol worshipping for example, it is defined as bad by Christianity religion but as good by Hinduism. Polygamy is defined as good by Islam but as bad by Christianity. So how do you say that religion has the authority to define good and bad solely when even an atheist can define what is good or bad in his or her own judgement and billions of people might eventually agree with him or her? In conclusion, nobody is authorised to define what is good and what is bad. It is only done by our own subjective views.

OtemAtum:
Religion doesn't define what is good or bad, but human judgement of things does. And there is nothing perfectly good or bad. To prove to you that religion doesn't define good or bad, take the case of idol worshipping for example, it is defined as bad by Christianity religion but as good by Hinduism. Polygamy is defined as good by Islam but as bad by Christianity. So how do you say that religion has the authority to define good and bad solely when even an atheist can define what is good or bad in his or her own judgement and billions of people might eventually agree with him or her? In conclusion, nobody is authorised to define what is good and what is bad. It is only done by our own subjective views.

Every authority that people has used to define what is good and bad still involve one religion or the other.

Man cannot define what is good and bad on his own.

just like a killer will justify killing based on his subjective view

Usorohtheman:


Every authority that people has used to define what is good and bad still involve one religion or the other.

Man cannot define what is good and bad on his own.

just like a killer will justify killing based on his subjective view

That's not true bro. The atheistic community and freethinkers won't use a religious authority to define what is good or bad. Go check that out. Which religion was used to judge Lesbianism and gayism as right and not as wrong in the USA? Is it the Bible or the Quran?

it is so wrong to say that religion is completely bad, because if we're to take stats more than 80% of the world's population are religious and a majority of those pepo are good pepo, a lot of them if asked will tell u that religion has contributed positively to thier lives, it is the abuse of religion that is bad.

OtemAtum:
I went to a public gathering today to hear and know more about people's opinions of things. Six guys gathered, discussing life issues. In no time at all, they have switched over to religious topics. I was very happy at the switch because it's what I wanted to hear from the public all the while. I was not disappointed to see that five of them were against religion, especially the Christianity religion. Only one of them was in support, but not wholeheartedly though. I was just nodding among them, enjoying myself

What did they say? A guy confessed how he was punched in the stomach severely while being asked to vomit the object of Satan in his body. He actually went for deliverance at Mountain of Fire. He said when the punches were too much, he had to let saliva flow out of his mouth so that they can leave him alone.

He also talked about a community in his land where there were 20 churches but one school and one health care. The guy was very furious at Christianity and was critically condemning King James who wrote the King James Version of the Bible. He emphasized that African eyes are getting opened.

I will encourage every 'backslider' on nairaland to continue working hard to free up African minds as they are doing now, because it's really having impacts in our society.

They also discussed how churches have used them for free labour in building their universities and schools. Churches used their members to carry bricks, blocks, sands while constructing secondary schools and universities which the poor church member children could not attend.

Another person outrightly said that religion is a scam, without fear or favour.


Pls let all irreligious people keep up with the good work of opening their eyes. Then Africa will get there. Religious nuisance will be rid off our society.

I'm very happy today for what I hear on the streets.

Bros shey u know the ratio of religious pepo to athiests are 9 to 1 in this country, infact 99% of nigerians believe in God so if u are hoping for athiest majority then u have not started.

bigname23:
Bros shey u know the ratio of religious pepo to athiests are 9 to 1 in this country, infact 99% of nigerians believe in God so if u are hoping for athiest majority then u have not started.

I'm not advocating for atheism as myself am not an atheist. But have you heard of irreligious people and freethinkers before? That's exactly what I'm advocating and I can gladly tell you that we have a handful of them already and I am one of them. You can sample the opinions of people around you about religion and I can assure you that many of them are now freethinkers. If you see someone who says that he is a Christian but doesn't go to church, that person is already on his or her way to freethinking, thanks to the pastors who helped us quickly see the scam in the Christianity religion.

bigname23:
it is so wrong to say that religion is completely bad, because if we're to take stats more than 80% of the world's population are religious and a majority of those pepo are good pepo, a lot of them if asked will tell u that religion has contributed positively to thier lives, it is the abuse of religion that is bad.

Religion is like a software of the mind. If a software is not functioning well, there's need for removal and replacement. Humans have been trying religion on the earth but it's not yielding any positive result. Now let's try freethinking and let's see what we get. Religion is built upon lies and we should not encourage it.

OtemAtum:

I'm not advocating for atheism as myself am not an atheist. But have you heard of irreligious people and freethinkers before? That's exactly what I'm advocating and I can gladly tell you that we have a handful of them already and I am one of them. You can sample the opinions of people around you about religion and I can assure you that many of them are now freethinkers. If you see someone who says that he is a Christian but doesn't go to church, that person is already on his or her way to freethinking, thanks to the pastors who helped us quickly see the scam in the Christianity religion.

I don't get u, are u saying u are agnostic? shey u know u can b irreligious and still believe in Jesus Christ..they call themselves spiritual but they do not adhere religious rules..if u are saying u are against pepo being religious irrespective of who they believe in, then I can understand wat u are saying,

OtemAtum:
Religion is like a software of the mind. If a software is not functioning well, there's need for removal and replacement. Humans have been trying religion on the earth but it's not yielding any positive result. Now let's try freethinking and let's see what we get. Religion is built upon lies and we should not encourage it.

wat gives u d idea that religion generally is not helping? the fact that a version of software does not function well in particar system does not mean that brand of software is bad, u can go for a better version and that same version might still function well in anoda system, ...wat I am saying is dat concluding that religion is totally bad is not correct

bigname23:
wat gives u d idea that religion generally is not helping? the fact that a version of software does not function well in particar system does not mean that brand of software is bad, u can go for a better version and that same version might still function well in anoda system, ...wat I am saying is dat concluding that religion is totally bad is not correct

Religion is one version of software, freethinking is another version of software. So let's upgrade to freethinking and see what we will have. I have never concluded that religion is totally bad as nothing on earth, not even Corona Virus, is totally bad, because some people will always gain while majority will lose. In the case of religion, few people(pastors, etc) are gaining while majority are losing. So the bad side of it overwhelms the good side, hence a call for it's abandonment.

bigname23:
I don't get u, are u saying u are agnostic? shey u know u can b irreligious and still believe in Jesus Christ..they call themselves spiritual but they do not adhere religious rules..if u are saying u are against pepo being religious irrespective of who they believe in, then I can understand wat u are saying,

I am neither an agnostic nor an atheist. I am not in the world to belong to one tag or the other. I am just a brain-user. Or simply call me Otemic after my own name.

OtemAtum:
Religion is one version of software, freethinking is another version of software. So let's upgrade to freethinking and see what we will have. I have never concluded that religion is totally bad as nothing on earth, not even Corona Virus, is totally bad, because some people will always gain while majority will lose. In the case of religion, few people(pastors, etc) are gaining while majority are losing. So the bad side of it overwhelms the good side, hence a call for it's abandonment.

guy that is a big fat lie, u can say that in majority of Nigerian Pentecostal churches pastors gain more than members, but not christainity in general, I told that a large percent of the world's population are religious and a lot of them have testimonies of it positive impact on thier lives. and for that ur software decription u can see that it is from ur own point of view, because I gave u my own point of view that religion is a brand of software not a version of software...infact that is y there will always b different beliefs amongst us, because u can't force ur point of view on others

OtemAtum:
I am neither an agnostic nor an atheist. I am not in the world to belong to one tag or the other. I am just a brain-user. Or simply call me Otemic after my own name.

then u are saying u are not against people believing in Jesus or Allah but u are against pepo adhering to religious laws.

bigname23:
then u are saying u are not against people believing in Jesus or Allah but u are against pepo adhering to religious laws.

I'm simply on earth to make the truth of the universes known to people and to make people know that all religions of the world are false and their foundations are built on lies and deceptions.

OtemAtum:
I'm simply on earth to make the truth of the unvierses known to people and to make people know that all religions of the world are false and their foundations are built on lies and deceptions.

then u are either agnostic or atheist,nd like I said b4 it is too early for u start celebrating because the percentage of athiests/agnostic in Nigeria is still too low for u to b happy, infact u have not started.

bigname23:
guy that is a big fat lie, u can say that in majority of Nigerian Pentecostal churches pastors gain more than members, but not christainity in general, I told that a large percent of the world's population are religious and a lot of them have testimonies of it positive impact on thier lives. and for that ur software decription u can see that it is from ur own point of view, because I gave u my own point of view that religion is a brand of software not a version of software...infact that is y there will always b different beliefs amongst us, because u can't force ur point of view on others

People can tell you that they gain while in the actual sense they are losing. It's by asking them what they have gained so far that they will pause and start discovering that they haven't even gained a dime. That's called the 'Delusion'. Ask an average Nigerian christian if he gains from Jesus, he will tell you yes, then ask him what he has gained from Jesus, then he will begin to 'merry-go-round'. You know why? This is because the things he thinks that he was gaining from Jesus was actually what everybody in the world are gaining from nature. For example, he will tell you that Jesus protects his life, then who protected the lives of the atheists and freethinkers. He will say that Jesus made him free from sicknesses, then who made atheists and freethinkers free from sicknesses? Some will say that it is Jesus that saved them from doing evil, then who made a humanist and atheists desist from doing evil? Who made atheists able to reproduce rather than being barren? Who made us coronafree? Who made the rich atheists and humanists rich? That effect is same I can equate to the 'LUWABI POT EFFECT' written in the history below:

Luwabi 15: 1-39
CHAPTER FIFTEEN
1. Luwabi overturned a large pot in front of his house. And he wrote saying, do not open. It is the secret of Luwabi. If you open it and see what you do not wish to see, then it is your own problem, because I have forewarned you saying, do not open.
2. Now rumours began to spread all around about the covered pot of Luwabi. And the egungun of that land said, under the pot of Luwabi are his charms. And he shall hurt many with it.
3. And some said, Luwabi is a wizard. He has covered the destiny of many homos in it.
4. And some said, Luwabi is one of the Alawo of the land. And some admirers of Luwabi feared and said, Luwabi is using our destiny to prolong his own life.
5. And the Igunnuko and Eyo of other lands also said that Luwabi is into a very big cult.
6. Now every day, Luwabi would sit on top of the upturned pot and smile at those passing. And they feared him greatly, saying, Luwabi is a blood-sucker and a wizard.
7. And many withdrew their children from going to the court of Luwabi.
8. Now in a year, many beliefs had been formed around the pot of Luwabi. And some said, the pot of Luwabi is the pot of magic.
9. And many came to say that they saw Luwabi in their dreams casting spells at them from the pot.
10. And some said the pot contains earthworms and snails, while others said it is filled with evil cowries.
11. Now a homo fell sick when he remembered that Luwabi had fed him from similar pot before. And the homo said, I did eat with Luwabi from the pot, not knowing that Luwabi was using my destiny.
12. And even those who said they were witches and wizards began to fear Luwabi greatly.
13. And the fame of Luwabi spread far into many lands. And they feared him even from those lands.
14. Now some of the priests of the gods came to Luwabi, saying, tell us the secret of your power.
15. But Luwabi said, I cannot share the secret with anyone. My pot is outside there, go and open it.
16. Now many of them began to hate Luwabi. And they met together, saying, let us conjure fearful dreams and send it to his head. And he shall fear if he dreams it.
17. Now one said, if Luwabi does not think of us, how shall he dream about us? Now let us go around his house and scare him.
18. Now the people went around Luwabi’s house and called his name, saying, Luwabi, we witches shall destroy your life in your dream today. We shall tear your flesh apart.
19. Now Luwabi heard them and smiled. And then he went to bed.
20. Now all the people gathered together to imagine what they wished to let Luwabi see in his dream. And they imagined deep into the night, saying, since Luwabi has already heard our threat, he shall dream it also.
21. Now when Luwabi was asleep, he saw many birds flying over his head to tear him apart. But because he had trained himself not to fear anything, he was not afraid in the dream.
22. And Luwabi said in the dream, birds of the dream, shall you follow me out of the dream? If I wake up now, shall you not all be wiped out with the dream?
23. Then Luwabi woke up from his sleep and laughed.
24. Now when Luwabi came out of his house, he went to sit on the pot again. And the people who threatened him saw him and were surprised. For they thought that he would have died in his sleep overnight.
25. Now two brave homos said to themselves, we shall upturn the pot of Luwabi to know what he has kept under it. Now it was already three years since the pot was there. And many stories had been formed around it.
26. And even many priests had been threatened by its presence, yet they were afraid to open it. And those who feared so much came to worship the pot, so that they would not be destroyed by the power in it.
27. And they brought sacrifices in calabashes and placed them before the pot. But Luwabi fed their sacrifices to his animals, but no one knew. For they thought that the pot had accepted the sacrifices.
28. And some homos had formed a religion woven around the pot. And the pot did they make their god. And they made panegyrics for the pot.
29. And they said, Ikoko Luwabi orisa wa(meaning the pot of Luwabi, our own god).
30. Now the two brave men whose names were Akin and Gbajumo came to the pot at noon. And they said, we shall open the pot and dare the consequences.
[b] 31. So many gathered to watch them open the pot. And those who worship the pot came and said, do not open it, because it is our god. And since we began to worship it, it has been protecting us from evil.
32. However, Akin and Gbajumo proceeded and lifted up the pot. And many homos scattered to different directions, running when no one was chasing them. And those who were curious were shocked beyond imagination. For they saw nothing under the pot and they were disappointed.
33. Now it was known before the passing away of that day that the pot of Luwabi contained nothing. And they who had built their worship around the pot wondered, saying, why then are we protected when we changed our gods to worship the pot as our new god?
34. Who protected us from death when we left the worship of Ogun and Sango and even Oya to worship this pot?
35. Now Luwabi sat them down and said, you protected yourself with what you believe. For if you believe that you are protected, then you shall be protected. You do not need any god to protect you, but your own mind.[/b]
36. When you see a pot turned upside down, you think it is covering up something. But the truth of the matter is that it covers up nothing worth checking. So are many beliefs. They are made up of nothing but vacuums, yet they have power to protect you and to make you look powerful because you have put your belief in them.
37. Now the homo, who fell sick after thinking of the food he ate from the pot before it was overtuned, came to Luwabi because he had become well. And he said, baba Luwabi, if indeed the pot did not cover anything, how then did I fall sick?
38. How then did I dream that a snake was inside the pot turned over?
39. Then Luwabi said, your fear made you dream so and not because there is a snake under it. That is what fear can do to anyone. Now because you have known that there is nothing under it, you became well again. So is life. Many die because of their ignorance.

bigname23:
then u are either agnostic or atheist,nd like I said b4 it is too early for u start celebrating because the percentage of athiests/agnostic in Nigeria is still too low for u to b happy, infact u have not started.

So you think life is just about three groups of people, namely agnostics, atheists and religious? Lol, bro it's not. Okay, into what category will you classify somebody who knew that Jehovah exists but is currently in a spiritual cage? Somebody who brings the truth of the universes and somebody who is part of the gods who locked all religious gods in a spiritual cage? An atheist or an agnostic? Na, na, na. An agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether there is God Almighty, but in my case, I know that God Almighty is the Totality of Existence and all religious gods including Jehovah and Allah are a very very very insignificant and microscopic offshot of God Almighty and it is an insult to regard puny Jehovah or Allah as the whole of God Almighty when they are not even up to 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of the extent of God Almighty (Totality of Existence).

OtemAtum:
Religion doesn't define what is good or bad, but human judgement of things does. And there is nothing perfectly good or bad. To prove to you that religion doesn't define good or bad, take the case of idol worshipping for example, it is defined as bad by Christianity religion but as good by Hinduism. Polygamy is defined as good by Islam but as bad by Christianity. So how do you say that religion has the authority to define good and bad solely when even an atheist can define what is good or bad in his or her own judgement and billions of people might eventually agree with him or her? In conclusion, nobody is authorised to define what is good and what is bad. It is only done by our own subjective views.

Another Good Thing, you have settled, which is, that what is good and what is bad has been clearly settled.

Now who Set it? We know that it is the Great Owner and Builder of this Large House called the earth, Who has set it.

Now, what Things or Facts did He set as Good which should be done and what facts did He set as bad which should not be done?

And this is where the division begins, for no one knows His House to go and clearly ask Him What He has to say on this subject.

And everyone is therfore compelled to use different parameters for distinguishing What He Has Set.

And this is my own parameter, if I did to you that which you did to me, would you in truth rejoice and be glad or shall you be hotly angered even to the point of killing me?

That is my own parameter, as obtained from the Bible.