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macof:
but how can somebody be this dull.

So you mean you don't know the difference between Alade and Alubọsa? And you speak some Yoruba? You sure about that?


We know Alade is Oni Ade/Ala Ade = owner of a crown
So when you see Alubọsa does it mean owner of Ubọsa

Or it is the other way around? Does Alade mean "the crown" "Al Ade"

Chai. Mehn the stupidity is something else

PS. You can see the n - l palatalization still in standard Yoruba.. Further demonstrating to you the authenticity of my drawn up consonant sound change pattern

Abeg leave me alone. You guys will burst my stomach with laugh

macof:
but how can somebody be this dull.

So you mean you don't know the difference between Alade and Alubọsa? And you speak some Yoruba? You sure about that?


We know Alade is Oni Ade/Ala Ade = owner of a crown
So when you see Alubọsa does it mean owner of Ubọsa

Or it is the other way around? Does Alade mean "the crown" "Al Ade"

Chai. Mehn the stupidity is something else

PS. You can see the n - l palatalization still in standard Yoruba.. Further demonstrating to you the authenticity of my drawn up consonant sound change pattern

Abeg leave me alone. You guys will burst my stomach with laugh

MetaPhysical:
This has been your style....to dodge!

You are crafty but i already told you, i will continously reveal your shallowness in what you claim to be ypur specialty.


Answer the question I asked you.
Are the Yoruba words with "Al" prefix borrowings from Arab/Hausa -
"alaini" (the deprived)
"alabosi" (discreet)
"alamodi" (sick)
"alabode" (medium)....


How about names with "Al" in prefix, are they borrowed from Arab/Hausa?


If you were smart, macof, you would have recognized that "Al" prefix is an attribute of something.

When applied in name it confers a quality.

When applied in conditions it confers an absence of some quality.

In both cases it exists as an attribute.

What kind of quack linguist are you?

Please answer my question, is any Yoruba word prefixed with Al a borrowing from Arab/Hausa?

If not clarify why you would dismiss some and not others. What is your criteria for selection?

Your interpretation of Alade is false by the way. Just so you know.


Focus on the use of Al in Yoruba to communicate EFFICIENCY, and its use to equally COMMUNICATE DEFICIENCY.

2prexios:
You are taking an "historian" that can open his mouth and say "what concerns Robin Law of Oyo empire with Oduduwa of Ile Ife" seriously?

First impression last longer, but you don't know when you make that first impression. That boy made his first impression on me right there.

This guy is only proficient in finding fault and fighting anything in sight from whoever he chooses as adversary, no more, no less.

From the comments that follows, you can guage his train of thought that he's unaware of Robin Law or the book titled The Oyo Empire.

What manner of Yoruba historian is this? He question Robin Law as though I mean Robin Law is some kind of law pertaining to a bird called Robin from Oyo empire. You get the drift?

He was unaware that there's an historian like that, yet he is quick to mock me that I don't read, when indeed he is clueless in the very issue at hand. You teach him, he use it against you.

That tells you who you are dealing with and what you are up against. That's why I called him scammer and Chameleon professor. Have you any idea how far he has to go?

As long as you can go teaching him. It's called parasitic existence. The host feed the parasite and the parasite might outlive the host, drain it and go to the next victim.

2.

Redbonesmith posted on the shared words between the Yoruba and Igbo somewhere on page 4 or so, where I picked Olu's table and draw ideas from it.

I adopted kwa, owo, ego, and copied the prototype (protoword) on the Olu's table, in the first row, to highlight some ideas used on the table as idea for divergent in owo, kwa and ego.

There on Olu's table, consonants in an original shared words are listed first as protoword, then each language's pattern of pronunciation follows.

This guy went to fetch redbonesmith ideas from the same thread and call it his, and did exactly what I did earlier in the post he quoted in "confusing style" that he called his.

He has no idea just before then, he employed this trick as validation of all the claims he ever made between Yoruba and Igbo. My approach has given him an eureka!

Next, he called it been keen and parade false humility that he's not even a linguist and equally exposed himself as a quack subsequently.

Olaaka and Oruka sounds divergent than bo'a and bowa. Yet he would make authoritative statement few paragraphs away as how historical linguistics work.

A blind leading the blind is catastrophic. Please don't patronize him as a linguist, you should be helping a fraudulent character massage his ego doing just that.

A man should be rewarded for his bravery and brainy contributions in either side of an argument, not for his invincible sense of deception.

Please note, macof is a sham. He's operating in the peripheral, and he knows how to use that to his best advantage till favourable tide turns for him. He's a clever opportunist without depth.

I have predicted earlier in my response to him that whatever he read, he won't be able to fathom knowledge from it. Thus as apparent as the ideas he fetch himself, he couldn't see the knowledge hidden below the surface.

He brought out iron and irin, he butress it with the barzel, yet all insight and knowledge concealed below the surface were in his blind spot. Then that question whatever principles he alluded to as linguistic rule.

You are a very versatile thinker from the first time I got here till date, and you have profound effect on my perspectives. You are the best bro, you pave way for breaks. Think about this things.

All the best sir.

MetaPhysical:
This has been your style....to dodge!

You are crafty but i already told you, i will continously reveal your shallowness in what you claim to be ypur specialty.


Answer the question I asked you.
Are the Yoruba words with "Al" prefix borrowings from Arab/Hausa -
"alaini" (the deprived)
"alabosi" (discreet)
"alamodi" (sick)
"alabode" (medium)....


How about names with "Al" in prefix, are they borrowed from Arab/Hausa?


If you were smart, macof, you would have recognized that "Al" prefix is an attribute of something.

When applied in name it confers a quality.

When applied in conditions it confers an absence of some quality.

In both cases it exists as an attribute.

What kind of quack linguist are you?

Please answer my question, is any Yoruba word prefixed with Al a borrowing from Arab/Hausa?

If not clarify why you would dismiss some and not others. What is your criteria for selection?

Your interpretation of Alade is false by the way. Just so you know.


Focus on the use of Al in Yoruba to communicate EFFICIENCY, and its use to equally COMMUNICATE DEFICIENCY.

macof:
See them running helter skelter.

Arguing that "Al" is "The" in Yoruba what dah hell
And the contuined mission on Ìrìn being cognate with "Iron"

It's as if when you 4 make claims without having any prior knowledge of the issue, you still keep to the claim when shown how you are wrong but switch the style of argument to using the pieces of the very information newly taught to you that debunks the claim

1. The fact that Yoruba words like Alubọsa, Alukurani, Alubarika with "Al" prefixes serving as "the" in their original Arabic meanings are modern loan words from Arabic through Hausa proves further that indeed Yoruba has no "the" just like other Kwa languages
funny guys. Normally your command of yoruba should be sufficient enough to know and accept this without argument but nah, you already committed so now you can't accept and move on to something else, you must run helter-skelter around this because you know the implications of this fact on your semitic nonsense


You can't dismiss the fact but can't accept the fact.

macof:
So you mean you don't know the difference between Alade and Alubọsa? And you speak some Yoruba? You sure about that?


We know Alade is Oni Ade/Ala Ade = owner of a crown
So when you see Alubọsa does it mean owner of Ubọsa

Or it is the other way around? Does Alade mean "the crown" "Al Ade"

Chai. Mehn the stupidity is something else

PS. You can see the n - l palatalization still in standard Yoruba.. Further demonstrating to you the authenticity of my drawn up consonant sound change pattern

2prexios:
You asked him what is the spirit of owo, but how would a non-Yoruba knows that?

Owo is for money

Owo is for business.

Money is the spirit of business.

Our man never goes near whatever he can't figure out with Google search.

macof:
Smh. So the new argument now is that Alubarika, Alubọsa are not borrowed words anything for this semitic claim right?

I didn't know there was such a thing as Ubọsa in Yoruba language.. And why Alubọsa not Onibọsa

You guys are clowns

Refer to my previous posts










Eg. Alubarika from "Al baraka" (the blessing) in Arabic., Alubọsa from "Al basal" (the onion)

Very different from Alade, Alaini which are original to Yoruba Alade = owner of a crown. Ade =crown. Ala ade with "ala" serving as a possessive from the palatalization of "Oni" (owner/possessor) to blend with the first sound of the word "Ade".

Another example is Olowo. Owo =money
Olo serving as possessive from "Oni"

Ẹni to ni Owo = O ni Owo = O l'owo = Olowo


PS. Do tell how this is wrong

This has been your style....to dodge!

You are crafty but i already told you, i will continously reveal your shallowness in what you claim to be ypur specialty.


Answer the question I asked you.
Are the Yoruba words with "Al" prefix borrowings from Arab/Hausa -
"alaini" (the deprived)
"alabosi" (discreet)
"alamodi" (sick)
"alabode" (medium)....


How about names with "Al" in prefix, are they borrowed from Arab/Hausa?


If you were smart, macof, you would have recognized that "Al" prefix is an attribute of something.

When applied in name it confers a quality.

When applied in conditions it confers an absence of some quality.

In both cases it exists as an attribute.

What kind of quack linguist are you?

Please answer my question, is any Yoruba word prefixed with Al a borrowing from Arab/Hausa?

If not clarify why you would dismiss some and not others. What is your criteria for selection?

Your interpretation of Alade is false by the way. Just so you know.


Focus on the use of Al in Yoruba to communicate EFFICIENCY, and its use to equally COMMUNICATE DEFICIENCY.

2prexios:
West coast harmony...contd.

Obiri Yeboa is akin to obiri oloja. Yeboa is akin to Oloja, it's a distance memorabilia for Yoba, Yoruba. Of course the Yoruba had their kinsfolk who were native to Togo, the Ana, and possibly there are others.

The tie between Yoruba and the tribes of Ghana is began on the coast, and so the Yoruba kindred in that place were reckoned as nsumfto, that is, people who came ashore from the sea.

The fact remains that the Yoruba had no record of such expenditions, but tradition of the Yoruba had the reminder. Even Agonyin had Yoruba touch, okun le agonyin o we.

Oghán

Agon, iya agon. Compare Iseyin, "ilu ogo kiki egan": Agonyin means praise by some and ridiculed by others. The Egun of Tado, Togo lay in-between. In egun, iron is oghàn, it's homonym for Oghán. The word oghán means leader.

The Yoruba memorabilia for ghana is iganna. In egun, ghanno means the leadership, mother superior. Ghanno can also means operator of machine, The idea is directly from iron derivative.

Semantics

In Yoruba language, Obinrin means female, but literally "metalized" or having metal. On the other hand, okunrin means "male" but literally, "added to metal". It's like iron and steel in that sense.

To have come to this pedestal shows that the Yoruba ancestors had a great understanding of the smelting of iron and other heavy metals at inception, and the philosophy is deposited here.

As we might have known, salted gold is not a pure gold, and steel is carbonized metal. Therefore, Obinrin in the ideology of the founding fathers received the mandate for the emigration.

In literal sense, obinrin means "the original immigrant" and then okunrin implies "back up immigrant". That can be felt in the saying "tin lo ree bawon mule ibudo" or "tin lo ree b'oosa mule"

The interpretations from this is a proof that the visionary leader of the emigrants was a woman, and the missionary back up were men.

If not, the men should have had the land to themselves and not be a missionary to anyone. So that the record would have been tiin lo ree mule ibudo" and "tiinlo ree gbale funra re.

There's this shrine of shighana on board street, Marina, Lagos (it's at a lane somewhere behind the zenith Bank). These wordset are cognates and true reminders of the ewe, (ehufe: ehun-vive) in Yoruba liturgy.

Trans racial and cultural harmony

We have iron as irin in Yoruba. We have been able to get it settled that the word has matching cognates with all it's earliest manifestation in Celtics and Anglo-Saxon variation of the word till date.

Now these folks have neighbors. How about their variant for the same word because just as John Hunter Duvar had opined, iron was a currency of the iron age.

In other words, such cultures whose history trace back to the inception of the iron age could have mindshare that yet survive in their languages till date. Sharing such cognates reveal common hub for the trade.

From old English, isern, isaern, German, isana, Dutch ijza, Celtics isarnom. Someone else should do the job, it's just as Olu has predicted: the cognates are all there, like in the Olu's story about the turkey as tokey or something.

Metaphysical also have a great validation as event now shows, he told us Gersham is ijesha, this place in the Levant lies on the kings highway, the trade route to the Hittites kingdom from India.

This is the corridor of Egyptian civilization and probably the Sinai region was the birthplace of the iron smelting industry, the period coincide with the time history placed the Israelites rise to empire.

Now let's pan out the cognates on the image below, it's clear Israel is a good candidate where iron get into the dialects of the Germanic tongues, which came up much later in world history.

From the list, we can truly understand the fact that Yoruba originated at the peak of the iron age as well. The process of seeing the cognates in the attached image below is such that

1. We can perceive Yoruba like tongues elsewhere in Europe.

2. Mutual agreement of ideas of old on an object of historical reckoning.

3. Further understand that the Yoruba language can help understand Indo-European languages.

4. Likewise, Yoruba could be the missing link to a yet to be determined language of the Levant.

5. The Yoruba had contacts with more languages than most of the languages similar to it.

6. Yoruba hold back historical experience that the list below foreshadow in the background.

7. The list of cognates for iron in Germanic tongues prod Yoruba original home.

MetaPhysical:
This has been your style....to dodge!

You are crafty but i already told you, i will continously reveal your shallowness in what you claim to be ypur specialty.


Answer the question I asked you.
Are the Yoruba words with "Al" prefix borrowings from Arab/Hausa -
"alaini" (the deprived)
"alabosi" (discreet)
"alamodi" (sick)
"alabode" (medium)....


How about names with "Al" in prefix, are they borrowed from Arab/Hausa?


If you were smart, macof, you would have recognized that "Al" prefix is an attribute of something.

When applied in name it confers a quality.

When applied in conditions it confers an absence of some quality.

In both cases it exists as an attribute.

What kind of quack linguist are you?

Please answer my question, is any Yoruba word prefixed with Al a borrowing from Arab/Hausa?

If not clarify why you would dismiss some and not others. What is your criteria for selection?

Your interpretation of Alade is false by the way. Just so you know.


Focus on the use of Al in Yoruba to communicate EFFICIENCY, and its use to equally COMMUNICATE DEFICIENCY.

Obalufon:
Good point .. alabode ..alangba alakan..alamu. alayanpere ..Alade NOT OWNER OF CROWN .. Obatala devotee name .. ALA prefix in Yoruba name is attached to Obatala ,Aso Ala ni mowo ara aiye ma da epo si aso ala mi. ...OBA,. .is Obaluaiye Sho, is Osa Oko.

MetaPhysical:
That Iboman does not know this.

He has gone into hiding for now.

Obalufon:
Ala means purity and enlightment

MetaPhysical:
There are various AL prefixes and they are all authentic to Yoruba, not borrowed from anywhere.

Even Alubosa is not a borrowed word. We Yorubas just dont know these things because we suffered a disconnect in our literature records. We had literature and writing but our educated scribes worked in conjunction with Christian missionaries to delete it. Bariba, Tapa, Hausa, Kanuri, Yoruba.....we all used Ajami to write in our native tongue the way latin script is used to write in the various European tongues....yet the Englishman does not underatand the Frenchman, nor the Spanish or the German or Portuguese. So a Yoruba could identify the letters written in Kanuri but would not be able to decipher it. We used Ajami since beginning of our civilization to record events and society....where are those records?

They were not translated or archived. Where are they?


To go back to AL, we had different versions of it and I will share the ones I know. I hesitate to do that now because you will save macof an embarassment. I dont want anyone to intervene. Im taking this up with him to come and explain on two things.

1. That OWO is authentically a Kwa word.

2. That AL prefix in Yoruba is borrowed from Arab/Hausa.

macof:
Smh. So the new argument now is that Alubarika, Alubọsa are not borrowed words anything for this semitic claim right?

I didn't know there was such a thing as Ubọsa in Yoruba language.. And why Alubọsa not Onibọsa

You guys are clowns

Refer to my previous posts










Eg. Alubarika from "Al baraka" (the blessing) in Arabic., Alubọsa from "Al basal" (the onion)

Very different from Alade, Alaini which are original to Yoruba Alade = owner of a crown. Ade =crown. Ala ade with "ala" serving as a possessive from the palatalization of "Oni" (owner/possessor) to blend with the first sound of the word "Ade".

Another example is Olowo. Owo =money
Olo serving as possessive from "Oni"

Ẹni to ni Owo = O ni Owo = O l'owo = Olowo


PS. Do tell how this is wrong

macof:
There is no semantic Al prefix in Yorùbá language.

Alubọsa makes no sense in Yorùbá language if you take out the first two letters... There's no meaning to "Ubọsa"

It is in the Arabic language that the "Al" comes from meaning "The"
And just as "Ubọsa"... "Al" has no meaning in Yorùbá. Yorùbá thought can't make sense of the "Al" in Alubọsa because its not an original Yoruba word and borrowing it from Arabic the Yoruba could not identify the actual word for "onion".. If not we would have called onion Bọsala or Basala from Arabic "basal"

"Al" makes no sense in any word used in Yorùbá language, borrowed or original. [refer to the quoted post above for how words like Alade, Alaini, Alakoso are formed]


Someone must spell the simplest things to you as if you are a retarded child.
Later you will claim you are Yoruba and I'm igbo
Clowns

At this point anybody who wants to take you retards seriously is not worth the effort.

MetaPhysical:
Are you sure?

You are assuming that AL was originally an Arabic word. You made same error when you disconnected Sigidi from Masjid. You have been engineered to accept all Arabic word as default. Is it possible Arab could have loaned words from Yoruba? Yes, very possible. Well...Al is one of such words.


In Yoruba, Al occur in following -

Al - as in alamodi
Alu - as in alubosa
Ale - as in alejo
Alla - as in Alade (should be "ll"
Ala - as in alatupa

Im current with the above but they are more than that. I will clarify each for you. Before I do let me say ALLA is an authentic Yoruba word.

As you have heard me say many times, this is not a forum I can divulge indepth knowledge of who we are in relation to rest of civilizations.

I once mentioned here and Im going to repeat now, Obatala was a Meccan.

The Arabs know this. They would never accept any record of it and if one existed they have obliterated it. They wiped out all physical records and monuments to do with Mohammed and he exists only in written records now, much more Obatala. Mohammed did not build Kaaba, Abraham did, Yorubas worshipped in Kaaba....the cult of Obatala....before Islam.

Much of what is paraded as Arab words today are loaned words from Old Hebrew and they are articulated to sound unique. The religion of Islam mandates prayer in Arabic. This has greatly helped to facilitate and legitimize Arabic as a root and independent language, and anywhere any semblance of it is used the assumption is that it is borrowed.

At first glance does it not sound ridiculous that Amodi in Yoruba is same as Medic, from which we have medical, medicine and medicare? Yoruba had alchemy and herbal science. Its cult is Osanyin. It taught balance in emotions and purity in blood through the use of herbs and compounds to manage Illness - Amodi. Nowadays we hear Sanguin (a state of mental wellbeing and healthy living) but we never connect it back in relation to Osanyin.

So Osanyin, Amodi have their cognates in Sanguine and Medic respectively.

The use of Alu in Yoruba is to communicate sense of something different, a variant, other, abnormal, deficient and is contexual in its application.

Alubosa - Onion
There are many types of onions. Basal is the common compound or element in all. Garlic is one kind. So a "different basal" is what Alubosa means.

Alujanu - Genie
Janu is Gene. In this sense Alujonu is a "different being".

Yoruba use Alu in the same manner it is used when we say Allo.

Example :
Allotropy - different kinds of chemical

Allocate - set aside or apart, other need.


To return to Yoruba use of Alu -

Alubarika - a different stage of blessing

Aluqurani - a different or other Holy Book.

Qurani itself comes from Iqra...to read.


You can express a position of "otherliness" or "differerence" for any object using Yoruba language but our Alu has same application that Allo does in English. Not every object in English is prefixed Allo.....same goes for us. Those that carry Alu in our language are not borrowed words.


Should we say we borrowed Alejo (guest) from Arab? Did we borrow Imura (preparation) from them? How about Ale (night), was it borrowed?

Arabs dont have the word Alfa. Did we borrow Alufa?

macof:
This guy is daft abeg

MetaPhysical:
Olu,
I'm glad you are beginning to see Yoruba concepts in the material and in the spiritual. When I first outlined the connection between Masjid and Sigidi, you responded and denounced it. You just used the same approach for Barzel. In fact, if you push further into that interpretation for Iron you will discover some other features of its connection with Yoruba knowledge......it will de-crypt itself.

In Greek alphabets, each sound has a material and a spiritual. Sound has always been a spiritual force anyway....they found cognates for it in the material. When you look at Hebrew, it is same thing. Yoruba is similarly rooted. It is unfortunate for us that linguists, such as macof, are wasting time regurgitating a century old Kwa theory instead of moving us into future and expanding the hidden energies in our alphabets. If they would do this for us, without being dismissive and suspicious of its esoteric discoveries, there is no reason Yoruba could not pioneer inventions and advance into new technological age.


Just take a look at this -



Substitute OX with Oxa...or Osha. This indicates the worship of calf was started by Israelites but it was inspired by their encounter of Oxa on the celestial throne.....ancient descriptive for the bright night sky. This Oxa was an helper of God. So they believed in this Oxa and started worshipping it in the image of the calf. There is both material scale and spiritual link here. They did not recreate the Ox, instead they created a mini version...a Calf! They accepted Oxa as an intermediary. By worshipping his son, the Calf, they earn his (Oxa) pleasure and benevolence. But Israelites did not speak English and would not have known the words Ox and Calf. In Semitic tongue Ox is Aleph, Calf is Heifer.

ALEPH has become a phenomenon in science and religious arts.

Look, no be everything person go open mouth say for here jare.

Cheers bro!

MetaPhysical:
Olu,
I'm glad you are beginning to see Yoruba concepts in the material and in the spiritual. When I first outlined the connection between Masjid and Sigidi, you responded and denounced it. You just used the same approach for Barzel. In fact, if you push further into that interpretation for Iron you will discover some other features of its connection with Yoruba knowledge......it will de-crypt itself.

In Greek alphabets, each sound has a material and a spiritual. Sound has always been a spiritual force anyway....they found cognates for it in the material. When you look at Hebrew, it is same thing. Yoruba is similarly rooted. It is unfortunate for us that linguists, such as macof, are wasting time regurgitating a century old Kwa theory instead of moving us into future and expanding the hidden energies in our alphabets. If they would do this for us, without being dismissive and suspicious of its esoteric discoveries, there is no reason Yoruba could not pioneer inventions and advance into new technological age.


Just take a look at this -



Substitute OX with Oxa...or Osha. This indicates the worship of calf was started by Israelites but it was inspired by their encounter of Oxa on the celestial throne.....ancient descriptive for the bright night sky. This Oxa was an helper of God. So they believed in this Oxa and started worshipping it in the image of the calf. There is both material scale and spiritual link here. They did not recreate the Ox, instead they created a mini version...a Calf! They accepted Oxa as an intermediary. By worshipping his son, the Calf, they earn his (Oxa) pleasure and benevolence. But Israelites did not speak English and would not have known the words Ox and Calf. In Semitic tongue Ox is Aleph, Calf is Heifer.

ALEPH has become a phenomenon in science and religious arts.

Look, no be everything person go open mouth say for here jare.

Cheers bro!

2prexios:
You are taking an "historian" that can open his mouth and say "what concerns Robin Law of Oyo empire with Oduduwa of Ile Ife" seriously?

First impression last longer, but you don't know when you make that first impression. That boy made his first impression on me right there.

This guy is only proficient in finding fault and fighting anything in sight from whoever he chooses as adversary, no more, no less.

From the comments that follows, you can guage his train of thought that he's unaware of Robin Law or the book titled The Oyo Empire.

What manner of Yoruba historian is this? He question Robin Law as though I mean Robin Law is some kind of law pertaining to a bird called Robin from Oyo empire. You get the drift?

He was unaware that there's an historian like that, yet he is quick to mock me that I don't read, when indeed he is clueless in the very issue at hand. You teach him, he use it against you.

That tells you who you are dealing with and what you are up against. That's why I called him scammer and Chameleon professor. Have you any idea how far he has to go?

As long as you can go teaching him. It's called parasitic existence. The host feed the parasite and the parasite might outlive the host, drain it and go to the next victim.

2.

Redbonesmith posted on the shared words between the Yoruba and Igbo somewhere on page 4 or so, where I picked Olu's table and draw ideas from it.

I adopted kwa, owo, ego, and copied the prototype (protoword) on the Olu's table, in the first row, to highlight some ideas used on the table as idea for divergent in owo, kwa and ego.

There on Olu's table, consonants in an original shared words are listed first as protoword, then each language's pattern of pronunciation follows.

This guy went to fetch redbonesmith ideas from the same thread and call it his, and did exactly what I did earlier in the post he quoted in "confusing style" that he called his.

He has no idea just before then, he employed this trick as validation of all the claims he ever made between Yoruba and Igbo. My approach has given him an eureka!

Next, he called it been keen and parade false humility that he's not even a linguist and equally exposed himself as a quack subsequently.

Olaaka and Oruka sounds divergent than bo'a and bowa. Yet he would make authoritative statement few paragraphs away as how historical linguistics work.

A blind leading the blind is catastrophic. Please don't patronize him as a linguist, you should be helping a fraudulent character massage his ego doing just that.

A man should be rewarded for his bravery and brainy contributions in either side of an argument, not for his invincible sense of deception.

Please note, macof is a sham. He's operating in the peripheral, and he knows how to use that to his best advantage till favourable tide turns for him. He's a clever opportunist without depth.

I have predicted earlier in my response to him that whatever he read, he won't be able to fathom knowledge from it. Thus as apparent as the ideas he fetch himself, he couldn't see the knowledge hidden below the surface.

He brought out iron and irin, he butress it with the barzel, yet all insight and knowledge concealed below the surface were in his blind spot. Then that question whatever principles he alluded to as linguistic rule.

You are a very versatile thinker from the first time I got here till date, and you have profound effect on my perspectives. You are the best bro, you pave way for breaks. Think about this things.

All the best sir.

macof:
See them running helter skelter.

Arguing that "Al" is "The" in Yoruba what dah hell
And the contuined mission on Ìrìn being cognate with "Iron"

It's as if when you 4 make claims without having any prior knowledge of the issue, you still keep to the claim when shown how you are wrong but switch the style of argument to using the pieces of the very information newly taught to you that debunks the claim

1. The fact that Yoruba words like Alubọsa, Alukurani, Alubarika with "Al" prefixes serving as "the" in their original Arabic meanings are modern loan words from Arabic through Hausa proves further that indeed Yoruba has no "the" just like other Kwa languages
funny guys. Normally your command of yoruba should be sufficient enough to know and accept this without argument but nah, you already committed so now you can't accept and move on to something else, you must run helter-skelter around this because you know the implications of this fact on your semitic nonsense

2. Now using the several Germanic forms of the word "Iron" when the very fact that the word "Iron" has ancient Germanic and Celtic (Indo-European) origin proves that the word cannot be from Hebrew. It is either one or the other
But nah. You already claimed it was Hebrew and you can't accept now that you were wrong

Now its no more just Yoruba - Hebrew connection.. Its now Yoruba - Hebrew - Indo European connection all because you don't want to admit you were wrong to say Ìrìn and Iron are cognates

You can't dismiss the fact but can't accept the fact. What a conundrum. Problem upon Problem

MetaPhysical:
Are you sure?

You are assuming that AL was originally an Arabic word. You made same error when you disconnected Sigidi from Masjid. You have been engineered to accept all Arabic word as default. Is it possible Arab could have loaned words from Yoruba? Yes, very possible. Well...Al is one of such words.


In Yoruba, Al occur in following -

Al - as in alamodi
Alu - as in alubosa
Ale - as in alejo
Alla - as in Alade (should be "ll"
Ala - as in alatupa

Im current with the above but they are more than that. I will clarify each for you. Before I do let me say ALLA is an authentic Yoruba word.

As you have heard me say many times, this is not a forum I can divulge indepth knowledge of who we are in relation to rest of civilizations.

I once mentioned here and Im going to repeat now, Obatala was a Meccan.

The Arabs know this. They would never accept any record of it and if one existed they have obliterated it. They wiped out all physical records and monuments to do with Mohammed and he exists only in written records now, much more Obatala. Mohammed did not build Kaaba, Abraham did, Yorubas worshipped in Kaaba....the cult of Obatala....before Islam.

Much of what is paraded as Arab words today are loaned words from Old Hebrew and they are articulated to sound unique. The religion of Islam mandates prayer in Arabic. This has greatly helped to facilitate and legitimize Arabic as a root and independent language, and anywhere any semblance of it is used the assumption is that it is borrowed.

At first glance does it not sound ridiculous that Amodi in Yoruba is same as Medic, from which we have medical, medicine and medicare? Yoruba had alchemy and herbal science. Its cult is Osanyin. It taught balance in emotions and purity in blood through the use of herbs and compounds to manage Illness - Amodi. Nowadays we hear Sanguin (a state of mental wellbeing and healthy living) but we never connect it back in relation to Osanyin.

So Osanyin, Amodi have their cognates in Sanguine and Medic respectively.

The use of Alu in Yoruba is to communicate sense of something different, a variant, other, abnormal, deficient and is contexual in its application.

Alubosa - Onion
There are many types of onions. Basal is the common compound or element in all. Garlic is one kind. So a "different basal" is what Alubosa means.

Alujanu - Genie
Janu is Gene. In this sense Alujonu is a "different being".

Yoruba use Alu in the same manner it is used when we say Allo.

Example :
Allotropy - different kinds of chemical

Allocate - set aside or apart, other need.


To return to Yoruba use of Alu -

Alubarika - a different stage of blessing

Aluqurani - a different or other Holy Book.

Qurani itself comes from Iqra...to read.


You can express a position of "otherliness" or "differerence" for any object using Yoruba language but our Alu has same application that Allo does in English. Not every object in English is prefixed Allo.....same goes for us. Those that carry Alu in our language are not borrowed words.


Should we say we borrowed Alejo (guest) from Arab? Did we borrow Imura (preparation) from them? How about Ale (night), was it borrowed?

Arabs dont have the word Alfa. Did we borrow Alufa?

macof:
Going off topic again. And adding inaccuracies as usual
I'm not even going to correct the errors and half knowledge in this one. It's usual for you to add inaccuracies in your posts with the aim to push your overall agenda.

This picture here which you posted as some sort of source even said nothing about Hebrew but sure, trust you to add Hebrew
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11917083_img20200713060051_jpeg55b68523a92901f9d6eb3305860a0603

"Iron" : of Hebrew origin?
As I have said, you 4 are committed to ignoring facts and evidence so it's not a surprise that you still argue despite the fact debunking all your previous claims staring at you in the face, you no go gree.. Lailai


I've told you I only deal with facts and credible sources

Anything you post on this forum on any thread needs to be verified because we can't even take the slightest things you say seriously until we verify if it's true

Picture 1. Here's the etymology of Iron again from another source... That's two sources I am giving you, both saying the same thing and none mentioning Hebrew

Picture 2. And the Hebrew word for Iron is "barzel". I searched for Yiron, Yir'on, yir-ohn as you claimed and found no results in Hebrew

Olu317:
Ignorant Macof does not know that dancing to the left is also observed in Kaaba(a shrine). Kaaba is synonym and cognate with Kabo( a welcome place to worship God). That guy has Phd. in falsification.

macof:
This guy is daft abeg

MetaPhysical:

You are right! I am yet to see any Hajj ritual in Mecca that is not also mirrored in some aspect of Yoruba spirituality.

The circumambulation of the Kaaba, Ooni observes same in Ife on Olojo day.

The shaving of men's head and drape of a white loin cloth, Ifa initiates observe this.

The blackstone on the Shrine structure, Yoruba keep blackstones inside Shrines.

The supplication to God and culmination into the ritual sacrifice of a ram, Yoruba do exact same thing on Isese day.

He is waiting for Arabs to write about Yoruba first before he will believe. This is what he is always asking for..."if it was true Arabs would have written about it". ....but they did when they said Koreish (awon ti won "ki orisha" ) were the occupants of Mecca and Kaaba before Islam. Mohammed himself was born into the clan of "awon olorisha". It explains co-observation of many Islamic practices with Yoruba spirituality.

If he would not believe Mecca because he doesnt like Islam, you have brought more than sufficient and convincing evidence to demonstrate the footprint of Yoruba in AfroAsia, NorthAfrica....and particularly Canaan. So has Prexios and Obalufon.

Macof has been on this thread since day 1.....I am yet to see him give a convincing evidence that supports Yoruba is kwa. All the cognates he brings are donated....Yoruba being the donor.

Macof's new alias is Alade-Kwa.
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Olu317:
This is a laughter beyond me bro . The guy is so blind that he doesn't even know that there is any account that Hebrew spoke Aramaic in Egypt .Yet he was asking me to show him the link to verify if it is true or not to showcase how I camr about Language similarities between Egypt's and Yoruba's language. This is someone who condemned Theophile Obenga's account on the similarities between root words found in Egyptian language and Yoruba's. Yet he believe Ibo and Yoruba's are same.The Ibo people who have pygmy bloodline in their Dna while Yoruba don't have

The lazy historian who never knew the purpose of Ram killing in Yoruba culture, which was replicated in Elephantine , Yeb Seyen ,in Lower Egypt of Egypt, which is called Ni-Ile( Nile),i.e land that's not atop. This singular acts led to the mass exodus of Hebrew to Sudan Belts after the destruction of their land called Land of Oni-as. And this led to the disappearance of these Ancestors of Yoruba's during the era of the Pharoah who was angry at the Hebrews, because of Ram,Calf bull, etc slaughtering as a sacrifice during Isese time, which was against Egyptian Khnub,in the land of Ra,that forbids killing of Rams and its likes.

Funnily, their grouse is that we should not believe ,oral account.that point to migration, Sultan Bello's, Baba Ahmed that lived over 350 years before Sultan Bello.These guys are just too funny to even realise that Morphology has lot in determining protolanguage which all of them have failed to use to connect Ibo and Yoruba language, respectively.

I even ask him to pin where my own oriki's that link me to Oru is in Yoruba's Ileife in Nigeiria, but he slipped the answer and fled. . After all, he can't deny the fact that Ileife has record of Oru ,in her Oral account that was destroyed by waters or flood . Yet he could not.




Cheers

MetaPhysical:
Oponu ni e!

You that called Alade Owner of Crown.

...and failed to recognize that Ogho and Ego are borrowed words from OWO.


You should never open mouth to talk kwa and methodology here again

A Yoruba wannabe