macof:

Continued Idiocy. With every post you just gleefully expose your lack of proper education and any intellect whatsoever


A yoruba man cannot be a yoruba wannabe.

same can't be said for you whoever you are that wants to be arab or hebrew or anything from the middle east by all means. A semtic wannabe ready to denounce his true ancestors
you are shameless and disgraceful to the yoruba nation with no sense of connection to our people, our land or ancestors. A thoroughly disconnected soul who would rather do anything to feel and behave like an arab or hebrew. You might have to be deported to the middle east to live among your assumed and preferred people

macof:

Continued Idiocy. With every post you just gleefully expose your lack of proper education and any intellect whatsoever


A yoruba man cannot be a yoruba wannabe.

same can't be said for you whoever you are that wants to be arab or hebrew or anything from the middle east by all means. A semtic wannabe ready to denounce his true ancestors
you are shameless and disgraceful to the yoruba nation with no sense of connection to our people, our land or ancestors. A thoroughly disconnected soul who would rather do anything to feel and behave like an arab or hebrew. You might have to be deported to the middle east to live among your assumed and preferred people

Olu317:
2prexios,

Pardon me for the late response to your question on the word ‘sin' in Hebrew, if it is connected to Yoruba's word for sin though there, root that has S N in Hebrew's ideograms.

This bilateral root S N is written as Son by one of the interpreter, which means ‘ to flock animal for migration.'

This word is tactically in cognate with Yoruba's sin : to flock or stray while animal husbandry

While ,Sin in English ; offence,guilt, do smething thats wrong , does not have same cognate with classic Hebrew after transliteration and translation which is derived from the following alphabetical order

Aleph(ah/eh)
Shin(sh)
mem(m)

Ashem/or Eshem ,which is same as Yoruba's Eshe or Eshem( my sin).
transliterated as the following:

Obalufon:
You are doing more damage connecting our proud and well civilized ancestors with bunch of naked people of benue congo confluence or kwa or what ever you called it

macof:
If you cannot be proud and loyal to the yoruba because you think African people are "bunch of uncivilised naked people" then you are not useful to the yoruba nation, you are of greater use to the arabs and jews since those are the people you admire and prefer
You do not deny your parents because of whatever problem you have with your cousins and start claiming to be the son of someone else. That is the attitude of a bastard and i am sure you know that

And just to mention.... African people are not a bunch of uncivilised naked people. All africans are great people and we have every reason to be proud of our africanness. The Hebrews you admire had no great civilization but they remained proud and faithful to their heritage. Pride and Self esteem uplifts nations

absoluteSuccess:
We are familiar with the story of Elijah in the Hebrew scripture.

There seems to be a Yoruba perspective to it: Aja.

The name Ajagbe may be a repository of history that seek to immortalize the memorial of Elijah in anal of Yoruba liturgy. All that is left of that is a foggy tradition that we may still remember to some extent.

In one of Yoruba's storytelling, its often said that when there is whirlwind, someone can be taken away, and so, no one must get close to an active whirlwind. It is often said that whirlwind may take one away and when one comes back, one becomes very powerful.

The regular whirlwind is 'iji' in Yoruba, while 'Aja' is the one that takes one away that one may return and be very powerful. I want to think the belief is well rooted among ancient Yoruba, hence the name Ajagbe was coined to mean "taken away by whirlwind".

In fact, while throwing water on the whirlwind, the Yoruba often shout thief!! to break the whirlwind before it damages or takes anyone away. Aja is akin to Jah in Elijah, meaning 'El is Jah'. Aja is Yoruba for somewhere in the sky where one goes to become powerful.

Well you wont find Elijah in Yoruba tradition, but you will find a gist or a hint that shows that a man can be taken away by whirlwind unto the sky is tenable in Yoruba tradition, then you can bring the integrals closer to see how the story goes. who learnt from who?

Elijah's ascention is 'Ajagbe' to the ancient Yorubas, although they lost the records, but they kept the foggy idea till date.

Erimoje ni mi,
Omo Sa Aja...


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MetaPhysical:


Oru - Ur
IleIfe - Nineveh

As many times that you have made these connections, a true and unbiased historian....or even a linguist would have been inspired to investigate that angle.

An ambitious professional would show interest to see if something not previously touched could now be discovered to push forward knowledge for humanity and position, if any errors in past, a new truthful account divergent from past assumptions and or studies.

Macof is neither unbiased or ambitious. He is here to shut down inspiration, to snap at new leads and disparage theories, and steer blindly for a under-investigated and mis-applied Kwa structure.


When i heard you talked about Greek-Hebrew- Levant connection, I started going into Greek-English Bible. I swear I saw some words in there and wondered to myself if the authors knew they were writing Yoruba.

Words like Bere, to begin; Gabar, strength, Mulk, splendor, and many more. Respectively these are Ibere, Agbara and Miliki.

I am not a linguist or historian but you aroused my interest and through that discovered new things and independent sources that confirmed knowledge I already obtained in another source. Not that I do but If I had doubt about my source for any reason, following your info share and picking up a Greek Bible to find same knowledge in its consistency settled my trust.

This is what I have observed everyone here doing....improving knowledge and info share through open-mindedness and interest. Macof remains the exception. Yet he refuses to offer his own theories.

Tao is an opponent view but reading some things she shared I have been able to add to my knowledge.

Opposition should not be a "tear it down" drive....but rather an approach to assist and expand awareness.

I wish Alade-Kwa good luck!

macof:
If you cannot be proud and loyal to the yoruba because you think African people are "bunch of uncivilised naked people" then you are not useful to the yoruba nation, you are of greater use to the arabs and jews since those are the people you admire and prefer
You do not deny your parents because of whatever problem you have with your cousins and start claiming to be the son of someone else. That is the attitude of a bastard and i am sure you know that

And just to mention.... African people are not a bunch of uncivilised naked people. All africans are great people and we have every reason to be proud of our africanness. The Hebrews you admire had no great civilization but they remained proud and faithful to their heritage. Pride and Self esteem uplifts nations

macof:
If you cannot be proud and loyal to the yoruba because you think African people are "bunch of uncivilised naked people" then you are not useful to the yoruba nation, you are of greater use to the arabs and jews since those are the people you admire and prefer
You do not deny your parents because of whatever problem you have with your cousins and start claiming to be the son of someone else. That is the attitude of a bastard and i am sure you know that

And just to mention.... African people are not a bunch of uncivilised naked people. All africans are great people and we have every reason to be proud of our africanness. The Hebrews you admire had no great civilization but they remained proud and faithful to their heritage. Pride and Self esteem uplifts nations

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Olu317:
Lol

macof:
stop mentioning me until you heal yourself from your state of anti African self hate and middle eastern ass licking

MetaPhysical:


This is what Ive realized. It's why im recently coming at him with questions on concepts that cannot be aided in google search.


He told us about Owo, Ogho, Ego being co rooted but he has dodged my challenge to expound on it.

Owo and even Money are both Yoruba words. The word OWE in English is borrowed from Yoruba....OWO, and the MONEY in English is borrowed from Yoruba....MO NI

MetaPhysical:


Look in Yoruba's Esin (worship) for the cognate in Sin (astray).

I found, in decryptying Yoruba words with its foreign cognates, that the principle of paradox is enabled.

I wonder if its deliberate in our ancestors or if the foreign culture inverted the meaning on purpose.

2prexios:


There was a time that the Yoruba had a connection with the Celtics, the earliest inhabitants of England in the Roman era.

So several of the Yoruba/English cognates might be from this source and not to exclude the Anglo Saxon axis either. Languages travel with emigrants.

The point of contact is explored in the link I have on my signature or dp. Facts have a good route of connection.

But to authenticate originality will be a difficult task in some cases. Like the idea I've shared here at some point about upstairs, petesi and petrezin.

English: upstairs
Yoruba: petesi
Egun: petrezin

Petesi feels odd in Yoruba to my hearing and expectations of the usual nuances of the Yoruba language. Because if it's an ancient word, it would connect to one ancient mind or the other.

Then grandpa had an upstairs that my folks called "petrezin ji aga", meaning upstairs on top high. So, the true word should be aga, akin to Aja in Yoruba. That's the ancient mind connection.

My repulsion for the petesi as a borrowed word first stems from petrezin: azìn in Egun is eyin in Yoruba, egg, but azín means groundnut.

I wonder what the connection between the egg could be with an upstairs, and the subconscious connected it to the Yoruba petesi. And that settles the confusion.

However, I can't say if that's what all the Egun call the upstairs, because it could be my folks who have loaned the word because it's (upstairs) in their possession.

But again, if not, they should have an indeginous word for the same idea from their cultural experience and past examples So, my source have a way of validating itself.

How about the Yoruba petesi? PTS, UP STAIR S.

The Yoruba had loaned the word descreetly, (afetiya) that a Yoruba man that cannot trace anything beyond the recent past would argue it's a Yoruba word.

We can see how the word was borrowed, and how someone else borrowed a borrowed language and it ended up sitting well in their language petre-zin.

Had it been I know of an animal called petre in that language, would have assume it's a name derived from some myth.

Moni and money

Baba, akiitori awijare, kito o tan lenu, toto o se biowe. Awon oro mii wa to fara pera, tojepe taa ba se aayan lori won o le ni itunmo. Sugbon atun gbodo wo saakun oro oun, boya o se regi pelu itan bi ati tan tabi bi ede to tan.

To ba wa se regi, o doni peki niyen. Oun to tiya kan kii tun pemo, oro to dani loju kii kose lete eni. Ju gbogbo re lo, gbogbo aso ko laasa loorun. Eje kafise onipele ipele. Ipele kinni, keji, keta abbl.

Ibadara, kafi awon oro to lapere se edidi fun gbogbo iwadi wa na, boya oro le sun kan awon onipele keji bi ti akole eka ti e menu ba loke ti mo ta ni koko ninu atejade yi lojo 'waju. Oromborobo...

Olu317:
Money,in English language is a legal tender, which is borrowed from Classic Hebrew's language. While the analysis you used in Yoruba language is not classic Yoruba but modern from 19th century. If you use your dialect or other Yoruba dialects ,it will serve the point you buttress. Thus, using Christan missionaries deception of Koine word that's influenced via Oyo's is a disguise because, it won't serve the purpose it ought. For instance,

English language: I go/ am going to my base/foundation or hometown etc

Koine : mo lo ilu m abi/tabi mo lo/re ile m( these are correct also)

Older dialects: me lo ode m abi me ju ode m( me ju' de m) abi me re ode m , (me re' de m), me lo ilu m . You can add more if you have knowledge of other dialects to see my point.

English language : I go/going to my base/foundation(hometown)

Obviously, these dialects are same but slightly different from koine Yoruba words which mean: outside, party, base , foundation, that is used generally as amongst Yoruba language . As a.matter of fact ,this dialect is akin to be more of Aramic that is used as lingua franca which late found itself in Egypt in Africa,from the perspective I see it because some words are stretched out of its original form which makes it not compatible with all Yoruba dailects to certain degree but older dialects cut accross in speakers of Yoruba dialects.

Lastly, Egun is not closer to Yoruba linguistically more than Hausa, Ibo, Tapa, Borgu, etc because of the contact via Northern Yoruba groups and Edo link to the south Southern Nigeria. Yoruba language, is a lingual Franca in all these communities due to certain, degree of living together and trade ,because in linguistic, once there is a contact between two groups, there is bound to be environmental influences on contact languages.


Cbeers

Obalufon:
That is the problem Africa is Diverse continent you have to know that Mr macof we are not the same "" Nilotic is totally different from Bantu and Cushite ...Hebrew are not white people they are black skinned people"" Moses married Ethiopian woman ,you can't tell the difference between Ethiopian and Hebrew and Egyptian in the Bible that is why Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt to hide Jesus from King Herod because they were black skinned if they had moved North they would be easily detected because of color of their skin among White skinned people ,.... During the pharaonic period kushite empire stretched to chad region ..The mysterious kingdom of Yam in Egyptian history is located their..Yoruba could be of product Cushite black that migrated down due to the desertification of Sahara or migration of Hebrew and Egyptian down south due to War in upper Nile . Igbo is totally different from Hausa genetically and phenotypically ..Yoruba is different

macof:


The only thing you know is bible (which is a poor source of historical education) . If you like try to Black wash the bible it does not stop it from being foreign to your true African ancestors
Lol. The inconsistency here is actually laughable. You don't want to be black unless the Hebrews are black
Damn. A fully colonised and abrahamised African who can only see good in himself if he deludes and deceives himself to have Hebrew ancestors

You are free to adopt Hebrews as your people. You have obviously been spiritually and mentally separated from the Yoruba Africanness


Even in your Bible the Hebrews were clear that Africans (codename Ethiopians in English translations but "Cushite" or "Hamite" in Hebrew) looked nothing like them.
To them Africans (Hamite) are cursed and these are the people you admire, worship and want to be?

You are a disgrace to the Yoruba. Better to start relocating to your true home in Israel where you can be happy

macof:


The only thing you know is bible (which is a poor source of historical education) . If you like try to Black wash the bible it does not stop it from being foreign to your true African ancestors
Lol. The inconsistency here is actually laughable. You don't want to be black unless the Hebrews are black
Damn. A fully colonised and abrahamised African who can only see good in himself if he deludes and deceives himself to have Hebrew ancestors

You are free to adopt Hebrews as your people. You have obviously been spiritually and mentally separated from the Yoruba Africanness


Even in your Bible the Hebrews were clear that Africans (codename Ethiopians in English translations but "Cushite" or "Hamite" in Hebrew) looked nothing like them.
To them Africans (Hamite) are cursed and these are the people you admire, worship and want to be?

You are a disgrace to the Yoruba. Better to start relocating to your true home in Israel where you can be happy

Obalufon:
You are not even a true yoruba person to lump us up with bunch of monkeys ,, . Yoruba are not congoloid or bantoid and i;m not claiming hebrew either

macof:


Normally this whole allegation of me not being Yoruba would be laughable. But it's purely an insult coming from someone who is a disgrace to his Yoruba ancestors and utterly disconnected from the rest of the Yoruba nation.
You have exposed yourselves to be Hebrew ass lickers
That is where your loyalty lies

Oh now you are not claiming hebrew but just in your last post you said Yoruba might be black Hebrews confusion and inconsistencies.
Yoruba are black Hebrews but are not Congoloid??
Mad man.. Black people are known and addressed as "Congoloid" in academia
Black = congoloid. To claim Hebrews are black is to the same thing as saying they are congoloid ?

Go to school, acquire education and be useful, you refused


These are the type of foolish ignorant people dragging the Yoruba in the mud allowing others mock us. What a waste of space in Yorùbáland

macof:


The only thing you know is bible (which is a poor source of historical education) . If you like try to Black wash the bible it does not stop it from being foreign to your true African ancestors
Lol. The inconsistency here is actually laughable. You don't want to be black unless the Hebrews are black
Damn. A fully colonised and abrahamised African who can only see good in himself if he deludes and deceives himself to have Hebrew ancestors

You are free to adopt Hebrews as your people. You have obviously been spiritually and mentally separated from the Yoruba Africanness


Even in your Bible the Hebrews were clear that Africans (codename Ethiopians in English translations but "Cushite" or "Hamite" in Hebrew) looked nothing like them.
To them Africans (Hamite) are cursed and these are the people you admire, worship and want to be?

You are a disgrace to the Yoruba. Better to start relocating to your true home in Israel where you can be happy

Obalufon:
i can't be quoting Bible here ...Nasser said it all the jews left black and came white

2prexios:


If they had gone towards the northern hemisphere, they'll return white, and if they had gone towards the subsahara, they're returning black.

People will adapt to their habitat, it's non-negotiable.

2prexios:



Bro, I believe that the bolded is the message you mean to pass across, but it's chauvinistic and I understands, try understand my perspectives from this little piece I wrote here, cheers.

Our neighbors are our neighbors for a reason. You may not have them in your good book, but we can't change the family we were born. I don't buy the kwa or Niger Congo origin, but I understand this folks are related to us originally.

I am not desperate to be separated from the same folks, nor overstretching the Hebrew connection for anything beyond scholarship. If care is not taken, we will come short of the goal we might be pursuing via politics.

Histopolitics

Histopolitics is trying to do politics with History, sever our relationship with our neighbors because we want to come out superior alluding to some foreign country, eg middle East.

And that's something good about macof. He's playing an opposite card of the same politics, garnished with sociological appeals here and there. In a nutshell, sever attachment or attention to the middle East and focus on West Africa.

You are equally playing the opposite of that card bro, selectively for the Yoruba, and I will encourage you do a thin slicing of my input on it.

1) Our connection with our neighbors is not from a lingual Franca level alone if such was true to some extent. It's rather from inception. I may not have won your confidence in my interpretations but I am confident of my own inputs.

2) Don't fight off others with what you might have found. You never found those things out to berate anyone I should expect. And don't just conclude yet because you don't have all the answers in one place.

3) Some answers are in Yoruba, some in Igbo and some Fon, Edo, Calabar, etc. History is history, not politics and History, not histopolitics, not sociology, not linguistics, history is a study on it's own. It's not often a prospect for nice outcome.

4) But most of all, history is the study of human relationships. That's my definition, and that's my guiding principle as well. I'm not working on some mutually exclusive outcome. We're to follow the ancient landmarks.

5) Trying to please everyone is a delusion, but a section of the whole is Yoruba to me. And Yoruba is not the whole in whole but a root of a branch and whole in itself. Let's see:

Orunmila baba agbon mi r'egun... that's Egun.

Ifa karele, omo eranko siiri tii y'ode loko, omo fofo tii fo didun l'egun... that's another Egun for you. Ifa didn't live in the recent past but trace back to antiquity. Thus the sentence is as old.

Fon in Yoruba is the transitive form for ofon: Egun tio jale oju nii ro, Ibadan tio jale oju nii ro. Ji, meaning wake up in Yoruba means Fon in Fon.

Obalufon, Obaluaye: efon alaaye, the Fon in Aye's territory. What I expected to find in efon alaaye story to confirm my connection is that there was a fight, a woman was involved, they have a connection with Obalufon etc.

My take: all things being equal, agbomiregun is identical with Obalufon. Agba omo Iran Egun, Oba ilu Fon. He may not have exercise political leadership on the connotes, but was their designated head at some point.

I'm not patronizing Egun, I am from the littoral part of the Yoruba country on the southwestern axis and we don't discriminate against our neighbors whom we see as speaking a different languages than ours.

The same can't be true for someone from the hinterlands southeast of the Yoruba. We will definitely see things differently. I respect that difference because no one is all knowing, except God.

2prexios:



Bro, I believe that the bolded is the message you mean to pass across, but it's chauvinistic and I understands, try understand my perspectives from this little piece I wrote here, cheers.

Our neighbors are our neighbors for a reason. You may not have them in your good book, but we can't change the family we were born. I don't buy the kwa or Niger Congo origin, but I understand this folks are related to us originally.

I am not desperate to be separated from the same folks, nor overstretching the Hebrew connection for anything beyond scholarship. If care is not taken, we will come short of the goal we might be pursuing via politics.

Histopolitics

Histopolitics is trying to do politics with History, sever our relationship with our neighbors because we want to come out superior alluding to some foreign country, eg middle East.

And that's something good about macof. He's playing an opposite card of the same politics, garnished with sociological appeals here and there. In a nutshell, sever attachment or attention to the middle East and focus on West Africa.

You are equally playing the opposite of that card bro, selectively for the Yoruba, and I will encourage you do a thin slicing of my input on it.

1) Our connection with our neighbors is not from a lingual Franca level alone if such was true to some extent. It's rather from inception. I may not have won your confidence in my interpretations but I am confident of my own inputs.

2) Don't fight off others with what you might have found. You never found those things out to berate anyone I should expect. And don't just conclude yet because you don't have all the answers in one place.

3) Some answers are in Yoruba, some in Igbo and some Fon, Edo, Calabar, etc. History is history, not politics and History, not histopolitics, not sociology, not linguistics, history is a study on it's own. It's not often a prospect for nice outcome.

4) But most of all, history is the study of human relationships. That's my definition, and that's my guiding principle as well. I'm not working on some mutually exclusive outcome. We're to follow the ancient landmarks.

5) Trying to please everyone is a delusion, but a section of the whole is Yoruba to me. And Yoruba is not the whole in whole but a root of a branch and whole in itself. Let's see:

Orunmila baba agbon mi r'egun... that's Egun.

Ifa karele, omo eranko siiri tii y'ode loko, omo fofo tii fo didun l'egun... that's another Egun for you. Ifa didn't live in the recent past but trace back to antiquity. Thus the sentence is as old.

Fon in Yoruba is the transitive form for ofon: Egun tio jale oju nii ro, Ibadan tio jale oju nii ro. Ji, meaning wake up in Yoruba means Fon in Fon.

Obalufon, Obaluaye: efon alaaye, the Fon in Aye's territory. What I expected to find in efon alaaye story to confirm my connection is that there was a fight, a woman was involved, they have a connection with Obalufon etc.

My take: all things being equal, agbomiregun is identical with Obalufon. Agba omo Iran Egun, Oba ilu Fon. He may not have exercise political leadership on the connotes, but was their designated head at some point.

I'm not patronizing Egun, I am from the littoral part of the Yoruba country on the southwestern axis and we don't discriminate against our neighbors whom we see as speaking a different languages than ours.

The same can't be true for someone from the hinterlands southeast of the Yoruba. We will definitely see things differently. I respect that difference because no one is all knowing, except God.