iamfrankoben:
Your Jealousy for we igbos is alarming..If u bastards from Ikwerre keep answering igbo names or speaking igbo, u guys will die a painful death.. Develop ur own language if u re not igbo

My family migrated from Benin - C C Onoh's son and in-law to Ojukwu.
Read.

https://punchng.com/dad-dodged-security-boarded-bus-govt-house-c-c-onohs-son/

iamfrankoben:
Leave our names and Language for us u serpents

Tell that to the Onoh family and Ngwo people

My family migrated from Benin - C C Onoh's son and in-law to Ojukwu.
Read.

https://punchng.com/dad-dodged-security-boarded-bus-govt-house-c-c-onohs-son/

Sanity33:


Précolonial text from 1880 calling the Oba of Benin by the title "Oba":

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x/f13.image.r=Oba

I am still waiting for a text of that era calling any Yoruba by the title Oba. That is how you prove your claim.
But you can't. Because your chiefs copied the title Oba in the 1930's. There is no text of the 1890's calling any Yoruba by the title Oba. We know you can insult, but can you prove what you claim ?

By the way, this text also shows that the Oba of Benin had authority over the Yoruba and the jebu. Thanks for motivating me to dig this paper out ! I had been focussing on precolonial maps alone while there are also a lot of precolonial texts as well.

Areafada, Samuk, davidnazee, gregyboy

Nor mind dem na we benin give d yoruba people leg wen dem come dey use dey play dem don sabotage our history finish, sotey d tin over us, if nor be say oyibo write our history down we for nor get mouth to talk our history for were Yoruba people dey

Bkayyy:

Nwanne a bottle of oh mpa for you
Imagine someone that calls himself igbo claiming ordinary ikwerre that worths nothing to Ndigbo

My brother imagine little Ikwerre wey no reach Ibibio.. Ohanaeze ndigbo should expel Ikwerre.. The Day Biafra comes, we're leaving Ikwerre Behind, let them build a country with their 3 Local Governments

Tranquill:


Tell that to the Onoh family and Ngwo people

My family migrated from Benin - C C Onoh's son and in-law to Ojukwu.
Read.

https://punchng.com/dad-dodged-security-boarded-bus-govt-house-c-c-onohs-son/

My brother Ikwerre should answer Ikwerre names and speak Ikwerre language, they should leave igbo alone for us, we don't want prodigal sons

macof:

Proved? You are indeed a fool

Ceaseless displays of ignorance and childishness screaming the same thing over and over again with a hundred monikers is not "proof"

Screenshot from "Africa and its inhabitants" by French Geographer and Writer Elisee Reclus (1899)
https://archive.org/details/africaitsinhabit02recl/page/264/mode/2up?q=obba

Which one is hereditary:

1) ooni
2) alafin

Answer: none of the above !
Obviously the writer is not referring to your ooni nor your alafin.

Each town has its semi autonomous chief: that sounds like your ooni of ife, s demi autonomous chief !

As the writer claims, the only real King is the Hereditary one. Who may that be ?

Hint: the yorubas are among the subjects of the king, but the king is not a Yoruba and he lives in a city and his title is Oba.

Tranquill:


Tell that to the Onoh family and Ngwo people

My family migrated from Benin - C C Onoh's son and in-law to Ojukwu.
Read.

https://punchng.com/dad-dodged-security-boarded-bus-govt-house-c-c-onohs-son/

Ngwo people have no history of Bini migration. And they never claimed to be Bini people.

dederocs:

Do you know about the Ogiso dynasty?
Do you know about ogodomigodo?
The Benin empire and throne had been existing for thousands of years, you have to learn further than Ajayi Crowther using the Oba in his books, the entire South region of Nigeria, started from Benin Kingdom.
How can a child give birth to his father, what i say here is not what matters, just research history yourself.

Please stop letting some old wives fairytale and tales by moonlight becloud your senses of reasoning and judgement. Logic as obtained in the Set theory will inform you that a subset can never be greater than the Universal set.
How a tiny Benin Kingdom of some few LGA's begat a Yoruba Kingdom that transcend nations (Benin Republic, Togo, Brazil, Haiti etc) and continents can only be explained by drunks.

How the so called child seems to have so much influence over the father without an iota of influence on the child should be a mystery.
You bear Yoruba ancestral names like Ajayi, Ojo, Alao, Alabi etc, you practice the age-long Yoruba elders cult (Ogboni) and still you're claiming one yeye fatherhood, please...lol

PVision2020:

Please stop letting some old wives fairytale and tales by moonlight becloud your senses of reasoning and judgement. Logic as obtained in the Set theory will inform you that a subset can never be greater than the Universal set.
How a tiny Benin Kingdom of some few LGA's begat a Yoruba Kingdom that transcend nations (Benin Republic, Togo, Brazil, Haiti etc) and continents can only be explained by drunks.

How the so called child seems to have so much influence over the father without an iota of influence on the child should be a mystery.
You bear Yoruba ancestral names like Ajayi, Ojo etc, you practice the age-long Yoruba elders cult (Ogboni) and still you're claiming one yeye fatherhood, please...lol

You need to take a look at precolonial maps before you bury yourself with delusion.

precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

The fact yorubas are credited for bringing cultism into Nigeria is lost on nobody, your cult tries to infiltrate us and it is failing.

The name thing again. This is getting annoying:

1) Edo us a Japanese word
2) Edo is a Benin word

3) Osa is a Japanese word
4) Osa is an Edo word

Did the Japanese borrow words from the Edo ?

Igboid:


Ngwo people have no history of Bini migration. And they never claimed to be Bini people.

So the history of the Onohs as told by Bianca Ojukwu's brother is not true?

The hypothesis of Benin as the origin of yorubas makes more sense than the nonsense pseudo history of Mecca being the homeland of yorubas.

PVision2020:

Please stop letting some old wives fairytale and tales by moonlight becloud your senses of reasoning and judgement. Logic as obtained in the Set theory will inform you that a subset can never be greater than the Universal set.
How a tiny Benin Kingdom of some few LGA's begat a Yoruba Kingdom that transcend nations (Benin Republic, Togo, Brazil, Haiti etc) and continents can only be explained by drunks.

How the so called child seems to have so much influence over the father without an iota of influence on the child should be a mystery.
You bear Yoruba ancestral names like Ajayi, Ojo etc, you practice the age-long Yoruba elders cult (Ogboni) and still you're claiming one yeye fatherhood, please...lol

ContractKiller:


The hypothesis of Benin as the origin of yorubas makes more sense than the nonsense pseudo history of Mecca being the homeland of yorubas.

It is not a hypothesis, it is proven by maps made by visitors in the précolonial era and also by precolonial texts. But these yoruba will just not accept fact.
Also, a bunch of the Yoruba descend from freed slaves dumped on our shores by the british and other European countries.

Sanity33:

You need to take a look at precolonial maps before you bury yourself with delusion.

precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Stop running around in cycle, the ignorant one here is you.
You first claim Yorubas adopted the word Oba in the 1930's, I gave you evidence of Oba being used by Ajayi Crowther as far back as 1843 in the Yoruba translation of the KJV without a rebuttal from you.

I presented simple logic any sane mind should understand you're here showing us some fabricated precolonial map.
Who doesn't know that Maps aren't constant?
Should I show you the old Oyo map that included Dahomey (Benin republic) Jebba and Lokoja right?
Or the Biafran Map that included the whole core Niger delta?
Or the Roman empire map that included about 1/3 of the world landmass?

Please come up with something logical...please na beg I dey beg you.

lograr:

You are the one that doesn't have head.
By the way, I didn't quote you. So Fucck off !

You have no logical point to make, DUMBO!

msughdoo:


You have no logical point to make, DUMBO!

From your topics you are clearly a bitcch

Mumu. You pick only Osa and Edo as examples between Japanese and Benin. Whereas, >90% of Ikwerre names are Igbo. All Linguistic experts state clearly that Ikwerre is an IGBOID Language. An uneducated folk like you thinks otherwise. Is there anywhere that they say Benin is a JAPANOID language? Of course not, because there is no relationship. An Igbo man can understand Ikwerre, but a Benin man HAS NO CLUE about Ikwerre Language, and you think you are making sense by saying you are linked to Benin and not to Igbo?

Sanity33:

You need to take a look at precolonial maps before you bury yourself with delusion.

precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

The fact yorubas are credited for bringing cultism into Nigeria is lost on nobody, your cult tries to infiltrate us and it is failing.

The name thing again. This is getting annoying:

1) Edo us a Japanese word
2) Edo is a Benin word

3) Osa is a Japanese word
4) Osa is an Edo word

Did the Japanese borrow words from the Edo ?

ContractKiller:


The hypothesis of Benin as the origin of yorubas makes more sense than the nonsense pseudo history of Mecca being the homeland of yorubas.

Thank God you said hypothesis, not fact.
You know a Dog giving birth to an Elephant can also make some comedic hypothesis...lol

msughdoo:
Mumu. You pick only Osa and Edo as examples between Japanese and Benin. Whereas, >90% of Ikwerre names are Igbo. All Linguistic experts state clearly that Ikwerre is an IGBOID Language. An uneducated folk like you thinks otherwise. Is there anywhere that they say Benin is a JAPANOID language? Of course not, because there is no relationship. An Igbo man can understand Ikwerre, but a Benin man HAS NO CLUE about Ikwerre Language, and you think you are making sense by saying you are linked to Benin and not to Igbo?

It seems you Igbo guys are having sleepless nights about the fact Ikwere have publicly acknowledged that they are Benin descendants.
In your case you have lost your mind. Your comment has nothing to do with my comment to which you are supposedly replying.
Ikwere are Benin descendants ! Choke over it !

PVision2020:

Stop running around in cycle, the ignorant one here is you.
You first claim Yorubas adopted the word Oba in the 1930's, I gave you evidence of Oba being used by Ajayi Crowther as far back as 1843 in the Yoruba translation of the KJV without a rebuttal from you.

I presented simple logic any sane mind should understand you're here showing us some fabricated precolonial map.
Who doesn't know that Maps aren't constant?
Should I show you the old Oyo map that included Dahomey (Benin republic) Jebba and Lokoja right?
Or the Biafran Map that included the whole core Niger delta?
Or the Roman empire map that included about 1/3 of the world landmass?

Please come up with something logical...please na beg I dey beg you.

Dude if you've got maps, I am not stopping you from posting. Actually I urge you to post them.
Also your evidence from Crowther, I never saw it !
Do you care to post it rather than claim you did post it ?
Dude, stop claiming you have this and that, just post the damn thing already !

IkwerrePikin:
Oba of Benin has once again affirm the ancestral relationship between the Ikwerre people and Benin Kingdom.

Watch video:

God bless Ikwerre!
God bless Benin kingdom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNR0LmlC9l8

Igbos like claiming every Igbo speaking part in Nigeria ,, is like saying because Canada and Australians speak English as a 1 language they are Britains , these Igbo dummy rush on any thread claiming either aniomas or ikwerre people . You don’t need to convince them on anything, they are in a dreamland in their heads, they can believe all they want to,,, we know who we are , they don’t .

Bendeco02:
Some of you commenting here are just arguing blindly without fact...... Am Onitsha guy, If Onitsha says that they migrated from present day Edo or Delta state it can be understood because we have many things in common with them (Anioma people) base on culture and names.. although we're in anambra state but totally diff with our neighbours (towns surrounding us) in culture .. Our king are known as Obi, same as Anioma towns in delta. .

I can tell you that ikwerre people are confuse set of people with inferiority complex.. They are not in any way related to benin.. I don't blame them but blame the Igbo people claiming them.... You have the same culture and language with your igbo niegbours yet claim to originated from far away benin without having anything in common with them.... Igala, Ibibio, Efik etc all have boundary with Igbo yet did not loose their language to Igbos then its only Ikwerre..



Some of you here, especially yorubas saying that igbos are claiming ikwerre because of access to sea... That's shows that you guys don't travel and knows nothing about Ikwere..... Ikwerre have no access to sea but their Ijaw neighbours (Bonny, Degema, Andony)... Ikwerre are in upper land of R.state so nothing concern them with Atlantic ocean.



The funny thing is that their Ijaw neighbors call and sees them as Igbos... Ask any guy from okirika, bonny or andony.

Anioma is sha not Igbo , as soon as I saw this thread I know some people go call anioma join the matter .

It's a hypothesis because most African tribal societies like the Yorubas, Edos, Igbos etc were illiterate and they never kept written historical chronicles so we can only make educated guesses when it comes to the issue of ancestry.
A comedy hypothesis wouldn't be taken seriously in any academic or scholarly circles which is why the Out of Mecca hypothesis is not worth discussing by mainstream Historians.

PVision2020:

Thank God you said hypothesis, not fact.
You know a Dog giving birth to an Elephant can also make some comedic hypothesis...lol

Sanity33:
Dude if you've got maps, I am not stopping you from posting. Actually I urge you to post them.
Also your evidence from Crowther, I never saw it !
Do you care to post it rather than claim you did post it ?
Dude, stop claiming you have this and that, just post the damn thing already !

Lol...I won't go down the lane of posting irrelevant Maps to buttress my claim and derailing the thread, your maps shows nothing. Google is your friend if you need maps.
There are millions of Yoruba Bible in print (and also soft/E-copies, you can lay your hand on any to confirm.

What you should explain to all is how a Yoruba nation that occupies over 10 times the landmass of Bini with population over ten times that of Bini originates from a tiny Bini Kingdom of few LGA's.

And also tell us why the Yoruba exert so much influence on the Bini without an iota of Benin influence on the Yoruba.

While you're at that, please tell us the Bini meaning of the following Yoruba names you guys bears : Ajayi, Ojo, Olawole, Akerejola, Oladele, Olabisi, Ayo, Adetutu, Owolabi, Akerele, Ogun, Balogun, Kola, Taiwo, Idowu, Adepoju, Shola, Dada, Ajose, Shobowale, Alaba etc.

And I'll be glad if you can tell us just ONE Yoruba person that bears a Bini name, just ONE.

Christistruth00:


I hope you don't ask non Igbo to vacate Ijebu Igbo in Ogun State or Oke Igbo in Ondo or Igbo Ora in Oyo State.

No I won't, because IJEBU is not an Igbo word and Oke Igbo people don't speak Igbo and ijebu-igbo people do not practice Igbo culture and Oke-Igbo people do not have IGWEs or EZEs as their traditional ruler's.

RumuIgbo basically means IGBO PEOPLE and they practise Igbo culture and make use of EKE, ORIE, AFOR, NKWO market days owned by NRI people and not Bini people. They speak Igbo and are ruled by EZEs.

As you can see, the difference is clear

Some Yoruba people have been asking what Oba means in Edo.

Well I have done my digging.
It means king of kings.
I have a text here written by a French visitor to Benin empire. The book was published in 1880. The information is on this text.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x/f58.item.r=Oba.zoom

Oba doesn't mean king, it means king of kings and it is an Edo word.

Areafada, Davidnazee, Gregyboy, Samuk.

PVision2020:

You have no genuine map to show, why constantly pretending ? I called your bluff and as usual you turned out to be an empty barrel.

IkwerrePikin:


Ikwerre has 4 local govts: Port harcourt, Emohua, Ikwerre and Obio-apkor.

Brief history of Ikwerre:

Ikwerre settlements have their roots traceable from the old Benin Empire.” Iwhnurọhna people (Ikwerre) descended from the ancient Bini Kingdom. The name of the grand ancestor is Akalaka.

Their relations in Rivers State are Ekpeye and Ogba people. The reigning Oba of Benin when Akalaka, the ancestor of Ihruọha (later called Iwhnurọhna) fled was Oba Ewuare (Ogwaro). Akalaka, a member of the Benin royal family, fled in the 13th century on allegation of plotting assassination of the Oba. He died in 1462. Iwhnurọhna his third son settled east of the Sombrero River by 1538 AD

Ogba and Ekpeye are descendants of Akalaka for sure but not Ikwerre. Some Ikwerre villages in Emohua migrated from Ekpeye particularly the Wezina group and that's the only link to anything Benin just like few also migrated from Okrika and Kalabari.

True origin of Ikwerre which is Okpo from Arochukwu who settled in Etche with his brothers before moving to bank of new Calabar river. The "Ogwaro" isn't Ewuare but Ezearo and the Bini isn't Benin but Ubini Ukpabi shrine in Arochukwu. You can tell perfectly both from settlement pattern, language and population distribution that the increase in population was supplied from Ngwa, Etche and Owerri areas North and East of Ikwerre not from West or South.

Sanity33:


Which one is hereditary:

1) ooni
2) alafin

Answer: none of the above !
Obviously the writer is not referring to your ooni nor your alafin.

Each town has its semi autonomous chief: that sounds like your ooni of ife, s demi autonomous chief !

As the writer claims, the only real King is the Hereditary one. Who may that be ?

Hint: the yorubas are among the subjects of the king, but the king is not a Yoruba and he lives in a city and his title is Oba .

Smh. Like I said you are a fool

No utter of sense in anything that would still argue against a clear cut text like this
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12005610_20200726_jpeg95b02612cd1e8c025f48b16bd392d5b2

So the "Yoruba Obbas" is the Omonoba of Benin? the Benin King is now Yoruba?
1. Obbas (plural)
2. Obbas being Yoruba

All clearly stated but this fool is still arguing. You are a brick wall not a human being
Empty head

@ ;bold. Apparently this fool can't read either. Where did you see all this in this screenshot.

FYI. Ooni and Aláàfin titles are hereditary. One can only ascend the throne by belonging to one of the designated royal families.
Or your stupidity doesn't let you know what "hereditary" means?

Sanity33:


Précolonial text from 1880 calling the Oba of Benin by the title "Oba":

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x/f13.image.r=Oba

I am still waiting for a text of that era calling any Yoruba by the title Oba. That is how you prove your claim.
But you can't. Because your chiefs copied the title Oba in the 1930's. There is no text of the 1890's calling any Yoruba by the title Oba. We know you can insult, but can you prove what you claim ?

By the way, this text also shows that the Oba of Benin had authority over the Yoruba and the jebu. Thanks for motivating me to dig this paper out ! I had been focussing on precolonial maps alone while there are also a lot of precolonial texts as well.

Areafada, Samuk, davidnazee, gregyboy

After showing this text www.nairaland.com/attachments/12005887_screenshot20200727015719_jpeg34573dc496a99140d0b80646f0258daf

You still in a response to the text ask for a text from the era calling Yoruba by the title Ọba

Smh. You better go and take your medication.

Lmao. This text
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12005768_screenshot20200727004421_jpeg1683a9e5f0d0cae537a56d75650e3263
Doesn't in any way imply Yorùbáland being under the authority of the Ọmọnọba of Benin
"la Protection de l'oba d'oueni serait assez puisannte pour nous defendre dans le Yebou et le Yarribah"
"the protection of the Ọmọnọba of Benin should be powerful enough to defend us in Ijebu and Oyo empire"

Meaning that it is expected to be safe in a foreign country when under the protection of a known king of a neighbouring kingdom.
In contrast "dans le Borghou et le Haoussa, e'etait moins sur, le roi de Benin n'y etant point assez connu our.."
"the Ọmọnọba is not known well enough in Borgu or Hausa country to receive such protection"


The text has nothing to do with authority but rather diplomacy

And this www.nairaland.com/attachments/12005795_screenshot20200727005832_jpegbba6bd35f239ebc3abae763b01870c34 talks about the chief of Gato (Ughoton) and Omonoba of benin hosting a certain Adam, a trader by giving him security from Benin to Ughoton

macof:


Smh. Like I said you are a fool

No utter of sense in a human being who would still argue against a clear cut text like

So the "Yoruba Obbas" is the Omonoba of Benin? the Benin King is now Yoruba?
1. Obbas (plural)
2. Obbas being Yoruba

All clearly stated by this fool still arguing. You are a brick wall not a human being
Empty head

@ ;bold. Apparently this fool can't read either. Where did you see all this in this screenshot.

FYI. Ooni and Aláàfin titles are hereditary. One can only ascend the throne by belonging to one of the designated royal families.
Or your stupidity doesn't let you know what "hereditary" means?



After showing this text

You still in a response to the text ask for a text from the era calling Yoruba by the title Ọba

Smh. You better go and take your medication.

Lmao. This text

Doesn't in any way imply Yorùbáland being under the authority of the Ọmọnọba of Benin
"la Protection de l'oba d'oueni serait assez puisannte pour nous defendre dans le Yebou et le Yarribah"
"the protection of the Ọmọnọba of Benin should be powerful enough to defend us in Ijebu and Oyo empire"[ /i]

Meaning that it is expected to be safe in a foreign country when under the protection of a known king of a neighbouring kingdom.
In contrast [i]"dans le Borghou et le Haoussa, e'etait moins sur, le roi de Benin n'y etant point assez connu our.."
"the Ọmọnọba is not known well enough in Borgu or Hausa country to receive such protection"


This text has nothing to do with authority

Arguing further with that guy is a waste of time and intellectual capacity. He's a troll without substance.

PVision2020:

Arguing further with that guy is a waste of time and intellectual capacity. He's a troll without substance.

I am well aware of his intellectual and psychological problems. He opens new accounts here every week after being embarrassed with the last one
@inSanity33 get ready to delete this moniker too

ContractKiller:


The hypothesis of Benin as the origin of yorubas makes more sense than the nonsense pseudo history of Mecca being the homeland of yorubas.

I think you are the one saying nonsense here, who are the benin? From where do they come from? The stupid Mecca Yoruba origin was mainly among the Sarki muslims in Oyo state so it useless.

macof:


I am well aware of his intellectual and psychological problems. He opens new accounts here every week after being embarrassed with the last one
@inSanity33 get ready to delete this moniker too

Lol, the guy's insanity is too unique it can only be inherited.