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Obalufon:
The Jews you have in Israel now are not jew they are impostors ,they are just practicing Abrahamic religion The jew flee to Africa not Europe or east

Ba mi, if we disregard the white jews,then the point of Yoruba's ancestors God is not achieved. Plainly, the Jews fled to all part of the world to fulfil, the promise of God. The hieroglyphs, pictographs, Semitic writings, Babylonian writings, Greek, Roman writing assert these information to be so true.

After all, Yoruba claimed that their ancestors were the father of the world,in the same way the white Jews stated as same. Yet the language spoken was documented and interpreted by Greek, Persians, Egyptians, Latin,-Roman/English language etc respectively. These people works has given me fhe knowledge of God from Semitic writings which is the writing on Opa Oramiyah.

Believe me, you will be amazed at the places the Yoruba language will be spoken in the future,which is evidence to show that Yoruba ancestors were the masters of so many things and the throne of Daodu(odudu Iwa),that's forever is in Ileife, in Yoruba land, who is the chosen of God from house of a people in same Yoruba land.

Futhrmore, don't forget the fact, that ,you being someone with the knowledge of Ifaodu, know that Afin-Caucasians; dark skin ,light skin (Oyinbo or half caste or people with dark skin with curly hair ) and Adu lawo(people with straight hair ) are the people who populated the world at a time before dispersion from same place to another places as wandering around before settlement.


Cheers.

macof:
The only thing you know is bible (which is a poor source of historical education) . If you like try to Black wash the bible it does not stop it from being foreign to your true African ancestors
Lol. The inconsistency here is actually laughable. You don't want to be black unless the Hebrews are black
Damn. A fully colonised and abrahamised African who can only see good in himself if he deludes and deceives himself to have Hebrew ancestors

You are free to adopt Hebrews as your people. You have obviously been spiritually and mentally separated from the Yoruba Africanness


Even in your Bible the Hebrews were clear that Africans (codename Ethiopians in English translations but "Cushite" or "Hamite" in Hebrew) looked nothing like them.
To them Africans (Hamite) are cursed and these are the people you admire, worship and want to be?

You are a disgrace to the Yoruba. Better to start relocating to your true home in Israel where you can be happy

Just imaging, ‘ To them Africans (hamite) are cursed' You are even worse than greyboy! Go and read about the Bible from the critics who studied the biblical history. No wonder you lacked the pedigree to differentiate beween Ibo's otutu and Yoruba's wuro,aro oro,auro, euro ,which is ; morning, sunlight of the day in both languages. This your poor knowledge can't understand how these root came to be from the formation from Waw+ Resh as explained, below

Waw; w,o,u,
Resh: Rii/R

This alone has shown you're simply finished and empty because you have no clue nor books to make as reference to support your baseless views. So, stop being backward and uneducated by reading books to know more than you have at hand.

Olu317:
Just imaging, ‘ To them Africans (hamite) are cursed' You are even worse than greyboy! Go and read about the Bible from the critics who studied the biblical history. No wonder you lacked the pedigree to differentiate beween Ibo's otutu and Yoruba's wuro,aro oro,auro, euro ,which is ; morning, sunlight of the day in both languages. This your poor knowledge can't understand how these root came to be from the formation from Waw+ Resh as explained, below

Waw; w,o,u,
Resh: Rii/R

This alone has shown you're simply finished and empty because you have no clue nor books to make as reference to support your baseless views. So, stop being backward and uneducated by reading books to know more than you have at hand.

When you become useful reach out to me. I can't take a fool seriously, especially not one who has no background in any academic field calling those who spend years working in academics names

macof:
When you become useful reach out to me. I can't take a fool seriously, especially not one who has no background in any academic field calling those who spend years working in academics names

Thank God , you have nothing to explain to your poor readers , instead, the well known vulgar words usage as usual by you is your footprint that you taught some of us. Evil man has no place of rest!

Interestingly, you're mocked by many because I await your nonsensical theories and poorly overridden pseudo information that your fans will acknowledged tha God in Hebrrew and Yoruba ancestors are the people from Near East ,whose history is written in the Bible.

So, be ready for these information in years to come because truth is bitter. And it is my candid believe by God's grace that more information await your subdued information that has no basis in world's history and your decayed background as false historian.

Below is a screenshot of boa (bowa) known in Hebrew ideograms as following :
Bet+ waw + aleph, which means ,‘ Come' in classic Hebrew ,that is the same as in Yoruba language known as Bo or bowa or boà( to return or, come ) in Yoruba language!





Cheers.

Olu317:
Apart from the fact, that I chose Yoruba's identity which is the purpose of this beautiful thread that's borne out of antiquity's identity, which I am familiar with, which, I don't have any issue with connection of Egun or Fon etc as a people. So, even if you're not patronising these people, it is wrong because, I am familiar with the fact, Yoruba ancestors remained the people that populated the world after the destruction that emerged in Oru,as remembered in Yoruba oral account.

Although, the word in Yoruba's language's word for Fon may or not be accurate as the term for speak,speech, etc in Ifaodu or Yoruba is wrriten which is different from how it is pronounced because this word which is in dialects of in all Yoruba land is transliterated as in ‘Fòr' which means speech,speak etc. And rightly as you have opined that to satisfy everyone is mission in futile.So keep to what you stand by .

With information before me, I have not decrypted if there was any link to a woman that's connected to Obatala because I can assert here that, Oba makim and Ade Ti-Are/Si Are/Z Are existed in Near East in Ancient time with semitic classic inscription and that Obatse ala is not related to him because he was an ammonite king.

Thirdly, the territorial conquest and subjugation was what King Daoudu, Dawaodu etc a.k.a Odudu-Iwa that he defeated these two mighty Kings, which one is related to him and the other is a disant king who he fought and seized the ctown. Interestingly these two warriors fought against O dudu Iwa—Daoudu ,in which he defeated both.

Orunmiela as a man never as a man which is due the personality of this powerful God remained to be in Semitic inscription. The name is wrriten as Eremiah or Yeremiah(Jeremiah in English ) interpretation from Greek writings that was got from the written Hebrew and Aramaic related language. So,I am familiar with the personality of Oramiela or Orummiela as a one's creator,who is different from a man who lived less than 1200 years ago because he fought King priest, Oramiyah O dede when he had issue with Oramiyah.

As a matter of fact the course of his migration pinned the reason for establishment of names, such as Efon Alaaye, Oba lufon-Lufor , while his name was given as Ataiyeshe bi Igba or something close to that name. In fact, obalufon on this forum is his descendant as you're too.And he is familiar with his history.

With due respect to you my dear bro, I am honestly asserting here that I have no authority over you or your view and evidence before you but when we are with a superior fact, let us move on to discover, new information and not merry going around. Kindly read, ‘Kings and Crown; page.' Belive me, you will be shocked to reaad names of an Amon king. Below is a screenshot of white caps worn by Yoruba high chiefs (lower kings), in Yoruba land and same cognates with Amon king's cap.

Great piece there bro.

Do you have excerpts from the book?

Thanks for the insight.

Obalufon:
The Jews you have in Israel now are not jew they are impostors ,they are just practicing Abrahamic religion The jew flee to Africa not Europe or east

Yeah I think I know a thing about the 13th tribe. But the Nazi regime of the WWII targeted a particular group for extinction, they were the Askenazi Jews.

They does have a footprint in the west from time, and record equally have it that the Jews were persecuted from time to time and had settled with the Iberia, Germany, Portugal, Austria and so on.

The fall of Jerusalem

Jewish dwindling enclaves of Palestine was destroyed by General Titus around 72 AD, the name of the place changed from idumea to Palestine in Roman records.

The name change is to completely obliterate Jewish nationalism and insubordination to the Roman empire. Then the Jewish stronghold became a ruinous heap, many fled to Egypt and to Europe and the Euphrates.

The Roman power choose Palestine (from Philistines), which were ancient enemy to the Jews. They had earlier adopted idumea, from Edom, but understood that the idumea where related to the Jews and were mere rivals.

12th century jewry

The European Jews couldn't own land, were not absorbed into European bloodlines because of their sense of loyalty to their religion and history. They were left to fend for themselves with other forms of portable wealth, such as usury.

The Jews were blamed for the bubonic plague of the Nostradamus time, easy to become victim of oppression for their religion and communal life build around Judaism during the middle ages.

20th century

The Jews had a portable home in their bible, and afterwards the wwwii, they had Aliyah, a return to Israel. And from the time till the present had to slug it out with the Arab inheritor of Palestine.

The Arab had through religion conquered many lands in the middle East, the land of Egypt is an Arabic outpost, Andalusia in Europe and as far as the ancient Babylon and Parsia.

Arab were the last conquerors of the Levant after the Romans, and at the conquest of the Holy land, the first calipha, Umar built a temple at the site that used to be King Solomon's, known as masjid qudus

Nasser was not particularly speaking for the black race, Egypt was equally as black as the Levant. It turn out his statement was two edged sword and propaganda at best.

Because Adolph Hitler thinks differently. And how many black people had ruled Egypt lately? Were the original Egyptian Arabians? That's food for thought. Where had the hammitic builders and rulers of Egypt gone?

If the people left as black and return white, how about the oriki Eletu Iwase that says "omo Oyinbo fo'ju orun s'ona"? Eletu Iwase were not whites (Oyinbo) amongst the Yoruba population either.

Most of all, the Yoruba were not Jews to me because that identity is not ours and should not be appropriated. Yes the Yoruba had heroes that were Jews (Obinrin Ojowu, Gbonka Ebiri, Ojo kure, iju-jew, isaga-Issachar), etc.

But the Yoruba were rather people with Hebrew origin and handful of other tribes relevant in the middle East at the time of their emigration. The making of Yoruba is the promise of God to the house of David fulfilled.

Yoruba history from Palestine dated much earlier than the period of the Jews but at the period of Israel as an empire. There are sharp contrast in this.

The Jews were last emigrants, while the Yoruba left the land much earlier. And that's when Israel (Iseri) was an empire. This period was before the Babylonian captivity. So the history is of different dispensations and direction.

MetaPhysical:
Oponu ni e!

You that called Alade Owner of Crown.

...and failed to recognize that Ogho and Ego are borrowed words from OWO.

You should never open mouth to talk kwa and methodology here again

A Yoruba wannabe

Hi, Please what does Alade mean if not owner of the crown?

For example, the names: Aládégbayé,

Alálàádé

Aláwodé

I believe that these names mean respectively, The owner of the Crown had taken the world, The owner of the white cloth (Ala) has come. The owner of the Mysteries has come.

PastorAIO:
Hi, Please what does Alade mean if not owner of the crown?

For example, the names: Aládégbayé,

Alálàádé

Aláwodé

I believe that these names mean respectively, The owner of the Crown had taken the world, The owner of the white cloth (Ala) has come. The owner of the Mysteries has come.

Ala -Ade owner of Crown...Like Ala de sese efun. Obatala .. ..Alade name is quite different the tonation is different but people think otherwise Alalade ..is Obatala devotee name

PastorAIO:
Hi, Please what does Alade mean if not owner of the crown?

For example, the names: Aládégbayé,

Alálàádé

Aláwodé

I believe that these names mean respectively, The owner of the Crown had taken the world, The owner of the white cloth (Ala) has come. The owner of the Mysteries has come.

Sir,
In Yoruba language, Alade occurs as a name in "itself" in only one instance, and that is in oriki. Every other instances of it is in compressed form.

Alade - oriki

Aladexxxxx - pedigree
xxxxxAlade - pedigree
Aladeyomi
OriAlade

In oral accent, Alade above is easily distinguishable.

Contentions arise when rendered in its non-diacritic written form, in which case its usage context can then act as an aid to distinguish.


Alade oko mi.
Alade ori mi.

Both are attributes of praise, one is oriki, the other is attribute of class.


I will excuse a foreign born Yoruba or a learner who is not adept in the use of our language to trade exchanges.

I cannot give passage to a Yoruba who swears to be intimate with Ife and that he is a linguist, to commit such error and remain adamant in his position, after the error was brought to his notice.


Im going to stretch this oriki - Alade - and enter into its source.

If you go back to one of my responses to Obalufon, I mentioned that Alade should actually be Allade.

The oriki is an attribute to Oba Atalla. We compress his name to Obatala.

What is Obatala to Yoruba?
In simple terms, he is the Lord of Realms! The one who is ever-present and the possessor of the realms of earth, water, fire, air. All humans, beasts of land, air, water are under him. Above him is the Lord of the Universe and everything in the dominion....that which we call Almighty God....or Almighty Allah.

The word Almighty (All-mighty) itself is a compression and an attribute of Alla.


Why is Obatala the Lord of Purity?

The state of creation is possible because of the elements - air, water, earth, fire.

When you take each of the elements in its individual state you experience them as a partial purity but when you combine all you attain a full purity.

Astrology explains this using Qualities and Science explains it using Light spectrum and its wavelengths.

We humans are at the top heirarchy of beasts. In other words, we are beasts in the most refined state possible. Yet, we cannot touch a state of purity humanly possible. Those who attempt we call Saints. Those who accomplish it we call Divinities. So you can appreciate that at our best as humans we remain impure because we remain limited to existence in one aspect of the elements, lacking capacity to transcend into two or more simultaneously. Obatala transcends all four! He attained perfection....purity!


Alla de - the pure one has arrived.
This is where the oriki Alade comes from.


Obatalla was a cult in the Kaaba shrine, and the official name for that shrine is Beyt 'Allah. Im sure you recognize the congruent in the two names.

Peace brother!

2prexios:
Great piece there bro.

Do you have excerpts from the book?

Thanks for the insight.

Ba mi, there are different books,written to these information. But in Nigeria, one eyed man is King,is the reason for this comatose.

Little do people like Macof, realise, there are Akkadian language, Ugaritic,Ethiopian etc languages that have same cognates, that aren't a corrupt form of Yoruba's language. In effect,Yoruba language, developed outside Africa. Below is one book called Kings and code that mentioned Hebrews crowns. These words are often slightly corrupted in some cases.

2prexios:
Great piece there bro.

Do you have excerpts from the book?

Thanks for the insight.

Ba mi, there are different books,written to these information. But in Nigeria, one eyed man is King,is the reason for this comatose. Little do people like Macof, realise, there are Akkadian language, Ugaritic,Ethiopian etc languages that have same cognates, that aren't a corrupt form of Yoruba's language.

In a nutshell,Yoruba language, developed outside Africa and facts are there to be seen Below is one book called Kings and code that mentioned Hebrews crowns. These words are often slightly corrupted in some cases.

2prexios:
Yeah I think I know a thing about the 13th tribe. But the Nazi regime of the WWII targeted a particular group for extinction, they were the Askenazi Jews.

They does have a footprint in the west from time, and record equally have it that the Jews were persecuted from time to time and had settled with the Iberia, Germany, Portugal, Austria and so on.

The fall of Jerusalem

Jewish dwindling enclaves of Palestine was destroyed by General Titus around 72 AD, the name of the place changed from idumea to Palestine in Roman records.

The name change is to completely obliterate Jewish nationalism and insubordination to the Roman empire. Then the Jewish stronghold became a ruinous heap, many fled to Egypt and to Europe and the Euphrates.

The Roman power choose Palestine (from Philistines), which were ancient enemy to the Jews. They had earlier adopted idumea, from Edom, but understood that the idumea where related to the Jews and were mere rivals.

12th century jewry

The European Jews couldn't own land, were not absorbed into European bloodlines because of their sense of loyalty to their religion and history. They were left to fend for themselves with other forms of portable wealth, such as usury.

The Jews were blamed for the bubonic plague of the Nostradamus time, easy to become victim of oppression for their religion and communal life build around Judaism during the middle ages.

20th century

The Jews had a portable home in their bible, and afterwards the wwwii, they had Aliyah, a return to Israel. And from the time till the present had to slug it out with the Arab inheritor of Palestine.

The Arab had through religion conquered many lands in the middle East, the land of Egypt is an Arabic outpost, Andalusia in Europe and as far as the ancient Babylon and Parsia.

Arab were the last conquerors of the Levant after the Romans, and at the conquest of the Holy land, the first calipha, Umar built a temple at the site that used to be King Solomon's, known as masjid qudus

Nasser was not particularly speaking for the black race, Egypt was equally as black as the Levant. It turn out his statement was two edged sword and propaganda at best.

Because Adolph Hitler thinks differently. And how many black people had ruled Egypt lately? Were the original Egyptian Arabians? That's food for thought. Where had the hammitic builders and rulers of Egypt gone?

If the people left as black and return white, how about the oriki Eletu Iwase that says "omo Oyinbo fo'ju orun s'ona"? Eletu Iwase were not whites (Oyinbo) amongst the Yoruba population either.

Most of all, the Yoruba were not Jews to me because that identity is not ours and should not be appropriated. Yes the Yoruba had heroes that were Jews (Obinrin Ojowu, Gbonka Ebiri, Ojo kure, iju-jew, isaga-Issachar), etc.

But the Yoruba were rather people with Hebrew origin and handful of other tribes relevant in the middle East at the time of their emigration. The making of Yoruba is the promise of God to the house of David fulfilled.

Yoruba history from Palestine dated much earlier than the period of the Jews but at the period of Israel as an empire. There are sharp contrast in this.

The Jews were last emigrants, while the Yoruba left the land much earlier. And that's when Israel (Iseri) was an empire. This period was before the Babylonian captivity. So the history is of different dispensations and direction.

Idu took over the lamd

Olu317:
Ba mi, there are different books,written to these information. But in Nigeria, one eyed man is King,is the reason for this comatose. Little do people like Macof, realise, there are Akkadian language, Ugaritic,Ethiopian etc languages that have same cognates, that aren't a corrupt form of Yoruba's language.

In a nutshell,Yoruba language, developed outside Africa and facts are there to be seen Below is one book called Kings and code that mentioned Hebrews crowns. These words are often slightly corrupted in some cases.

Idumea took over the land of Israel thousands of years after the second conquest. In fact, the king who lived during the time of Yeshua was an idumean because Daoodu(David ) and Crown had been taken to Egypt, around 500BC that the Hebrew had no King in Israel.

This particular information, is well documented in the Anus of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians,.Greeks Egyptians account. So, the history of Yorubas or Hebrews in Africa is authentic and uniqueness. Furthermore, there are books, written about Nebuchadnezzar and his boastness, which had been translated by some well renowned scholars.

2prexios:
Yeah I think I know a thing about the 13th tribe. But the Nazi regime of the WWII targeted a particular group for extinction, they were the Askenazi Jews.

They does have a footprint in the west from time, and record equally have it that the Jews were persecuted from time to time and had settled with the Iberia, Germany, Portugal, Austria and so on.

The fall of Jerusalem

Jewish dwindling enclaves of Palestine was destroyed by General Titus around 72 AD, the name of the place changed from idumea to Palestine in Roman records.

The name change is to completely obliterate Jewish nationalism and insubordination to the Roman empire. Then the Jewish stronghold became a ruinous heap, many fled to Egypt and to Europe and the Euphrates.

The Roman power choose Palestine (from Philistines), which were ancient enemy to the Jews. They had earlier adopted idumea, from Edom, but understood that the idumea where related to the Jews and were mere rivals.

12th century jewry

The European Jews couldn't own land, were not absorbed into European bloodlines because of their sense of loyalty to their religion and history. They were left to fend for themselves with other forms of portable wealth, such as usury.

The Jews were blamed for the bubonic plague of the Nostradamus time, easy to become victim of oppression for their religion and communal life build around Judaism during the middle ages.

20th century

The Jews had a portable home in their bible, and afterwards the wwwii, they had Aliyah, a return to Israel. And from the time till the present had to slug it out with the Arab inheritor of Palestine.

The Arab had through religion conquered many lands in the middle East, the land of Egypt is an Arabic outpost, Andalusia in Europe and as far as the ancient Babylon and Parsia.

Arab were the last conquerors of the Levant after the Romans, and at the conquest of the Holy land, the first calipha, Umar built a temple at the site that used to be King Solomon's, known as masjid qudus

Nasser was not particularly speaking for the black race, Egypt was equally as black as the Levant. It turn out his statement was two edged sword and propaganda at best.

Because Adolph Hitler thinks differently. And how many black people had ruled Egypt lately? Were the original Egyptian Arabians? That's food for thought. Where had the hammitic builders and rulers of Egypt gone?

If the people left as black and return white, how about the oriki Eletu Iwase that says "omo Oyinbo fo'ju orun s'ona"? Eletu Iwase were not whites (Oyinbo) amongst the Yoruba population either.

Most of all, the Yoruba were not Jews to me because that identity is not ours and should not be appropriated. Yes the Yoruba had heroes that were Jews (Obinrin Ojowu, Gbonka Ebiri, Ojo kure, iju-jew, isaga-Issachar), etc.

But the Yoruba were rather people with Hebrew origin and handful of other tribes relevant in the middle East at the time of their emigration. The making of Yoruba is the promise of God to the house of David fulfilled.

Yoruba history from Palestine dated much earlier than the period of the Jews but at the period of Israel as an empire. There are sharp contrast in this.

The Jews were last emigrants, while the Yoruba left the land much earlier. And that's when Israel (Iseri) was an empire. This period was before the Babylonian captivity. So the history is of different dispensations and direction.

Below are some cities in Yorubas Oral Memoir and Classic Hebrews

Aku: Name of Yoruba's ancestor.

Barkhou :Name of Hebrew ancestor, who lived in Egypt

Eda: Name to identify human being in Yoruba's language

Eda: Name used by Hebrews for them a people

Enyan/Eyan: Name used fo humans

Aryan: Name of a human Race in Near East

Elefon/Elufon: Name of a person and city

Elephantine: Name of a city in Lower Egypt

Falasa: Name of person

Falasa : Name of Hebrew group who lived in Abyssinia (Ethiopia)

Gberiko: Suburb

Jericho: Suburb

Ileonipole: Name of city in

Hellenpolis: Name of a place the Hebrew once lived in Egypt

Iseyen: Name of a city or Town

Seyen: Name of a city the Hebrews once lived in Egypt

Isoku/Isaku: Name of man and a city who was a pioneer ancestor of twin

Isaac: the Hebrews ancestor of twin

Usere/Iseri: Name of ancestor, city in Yoruba and as a people

Israel : Name of an ancestor of Hebrews, city and as a people

Ju/Iju: Name of people as a group,as interior land and a town or city

Jew: Name of people, town or city

Kanan: Same in unison or same as name of persons, place, animals , or things

Khanaan : Name of people as a united or synchronism

Katanga: A lopsided land which Yoruba people lived

Katunga: A land in Central Africa of Congo

N'ile: A lower land in Yoruba language

Nile: lower land in Egypt

Ninuife/Niliife: A place of ancient creation as acknowledged by Yorubas

Nineveh: A vast land in ancient Near East

Offa: A city in ancient Yoruba corpus

Jaffa: A land the hebrew lived in around the Sinai part that's is known to be borderline in Lower Egypt

Oramfe: Name of Yoruba ancestor

Aram:Name of a man who lived in Or (Oor) land in present day Iraqi land or related environment, called Mesopotamia

Ra: Name of land, person, light in Yoruba land

Ra: Name of a godman in Egypt and land in Egypt as well in Hebrew history

Oru: City in Yoruba land that was destroyed thousands of Years ago by water

Oor/Or: Mighty and industrial city that was destroyed by water in Near East

Mero: Name to identify people who does sorcery or mind readers

Meroe : Name of people in Ancient Egypt

Yebu/Jebus: Name of a city and Yoruba people

Yeb/Jebus: Name of extended Hebrews family members

With some form of research, information to the above names do have both true cognates and rare case of accidental cognates because 90% of these names are cities with descriptions. While the remaining are term for people or identity of a people as a nation .


Cheers

2prexios:
There was a time that the Yoruba had a connection with the Celtics, the earliest inhabitants of England in the Roman era.

So several of the Yoruba/English cognates might be from this source and not to exclude the Anglo Saxon axis either. Languages travel with emigrants.

The point of contact is explored in the link I have on my signature or dp. Facts have a good route of connection.

But to authenticate originality will be a difficult task in some cases. Like the idea I've shared here at some point about upstairs, petesi and petrezin.

English: upstairs
Yoruba: petesi
Egun: petrezin

Petesi feels odd in Yoruba to my hearing and expectations of the usual nuances of the Yoruba language. Because if it's an ancient word, it would connect to one ancient mind or the other.

Then grandpa had an upstairs that my folks called "petrezin ji aga", meaning upstairs on top high. So, the true word should be aga, akin to Aja in Yoruba. That's the ancient mind connection.

My repulsion for the petesi as a borrowed word first stems from petrezin: azìn in Egun is eyin in Yoruba, egg, but azín means groundnut.

I wonder what the connection between the egg could be with an upstairs, and the subconscious connected it to the Yoruba petesi. And that settles the confusion.

However, I can't say if that's what all the Egun call the upstairs, because it could be my folks who have loaned the word because it's (upstairs) in their possession.

But again, if not, they should have an indeginous word for the same idea from their cultural experience and past examples So, my source have a way of validating itself.

How about the Yoruba petesi? PTS, UP STAIR S.

The Yoruba had loaned the word descreetly, (afetiya) that a Yoruba man that cannot trace anything beyond the recent past would argue it's a Yoruba word.

We can see how the word was borrowed, and how someone else borrowed a borrowed language and it ended up sitting well in their language petre-zin.

Had it been I know of an animal called petre in that language, would have assume it's a name derived from some myth.

Moni and money

Baba, akiitori awijare, kito o tan lenu, toto o se biowe. Awon oro mii wa to fara pera, tojepe taa ba se aayan lori won o le ni itunmo. Sugbon atun gbodo wo saakun oro oun, boya o se regi pelu itan bi ati tan tabi bi ede to tan.

To ba wa se regi, o doni peki niyen. Oun to tiya kan kii tun pemo, oro to dani loju kii kose lete eni. Ju gbogbo re lo, gbogbo aso ko laasa loorun. Eje kafise onipele ipele. Ipele kinni, keji, keta abbl.

Ibadara, kafi awon oro to lapere se edidi fun gbogbo iwadi wa na, boya oro le sun kan awon onipele keji bi ti akole eka ti e menu ba loke ti mo ta ni koko ninu atejade yi lojo 'waju. Oromborobo...

Alagba,
Ese, eku laakaye! Ogbon ati igbimo ti efa jade yi se koko. Ogbon na oni gbe mo yin ninu. Niwon niwon pelu oye ni mo fi man se. Gege bi e se so, gbogbo enu ko la fi ma s'oro, idi ni yen pupo igba ti emi gaan fi man fa sehin die. Apere awon oro abani re laarin ede Yoruba ati ede Larubawa, ati Geesi papa, won kun le.....ng'ogbodo wa tuu ka sori ero ta wa yi. Eewo! Oro yin duro yeke leti mi. Mo dupe pupo!


English: upstairs
Yoruba: petesi
Egun: petrezin


Upstairs are actually two words. Up+Stairs.
Similarly, Petesi are two words also. Pe+Tesi.

No doubt, these are cognates. Finding the origin will depend on the aging of the language it is used in, but more importantly on the function it serves in that language.

Pepe - Higher elevation
Tesi - Motion/Advance

I think the Pepe is compressed into Pe and joined with Tesi to form Petesi.

Petesi is a fixed structure for advancing upward/downward an elevation.
Another structure that accomplishes this for us is Akaba. Difference is Akaba is movable....it is non-fixed.

Yoruba have always had the word PEPE and AJA. Aja is Attic. Whereas Pepe can be anywhere, Aja cannot.

Yoruba traditional architecture made out of clay bricks and mortar, with roofing truss and thatched covering were built with high ceilings purposely for cross air-ventilation. Shelvings and Attics were built into them. So while in the European sense an Upstairs is a design for occupancy of multi-level floor elevations, in traditional Yoruba housing Upstairs would have no functional utility because our shelves and attics were designed for storage, not as a living space for occupancy. On the other hand, an Akaba would fit in perfectly in the traditional Yoruba house. Hence, i think Petesi is a modernization fitting with our modernity in house construction. Here, I will apply the same analytical approach I typically use to filter what is borrowed and what is authentic in Yoruba lexicon. I believe Petesi is borrowed.

We can explore the word further and make discovery by asking, is there relation between Petesi, Apata, Ipetu?

Cheers bro!

Olu317:
Ba mi, there are different books,written to these information. But in Nigeria, one eyed man is King,is the reason for this comatose.

Little do people like Macof, realise, there are Akkadian language, Ugaritic,Ethiopian etc languages that have same cognates, that aren't a corrupt form of Yoruba's language. In effect,Yoruba language, developed outside Africa. Below is one book called Kings and code that mentioned Hebrews crowns. These words are often slightly corrupted in some cases.

As Salam alaikum bro!



I think I got cognizant of what you mean by koine words this morning, while working out some biblical passages. Your inputs can be a bit confusing atimes because it's not yet vet.

I can relate, hence I often take great effort to sound clear, or else I will fall woefully to make the slightest sense I so want to make. This should butress your point on koine words.

As Salam alaikum

That's a Hebrew greeting adopted in Islamic salutations, now observe the concept of blessings in Yoruba: ibukun. This sounds Christian. It should rather be iwure or isure.

Then we can isolate ibukun and treat it as a modern word coined in the recent past, for the beatitude passages in the New testament. However, I think your Egyptian resources had busi as ibukun, for blessings, isn't it?

Now here's the link

Already, the Yoruba had "salamo" in their language, the koine ibukun is a double entry, a neo-double. The original version is a form of prayer, "alekun owo, alekun omo, alekun oun rere gbogbo".

Alaikum, alekun, "be upon": le kun, "above full", bu kun, "add to enough", le, "be upon", "extra", ele, "extra". Antonymous variant: alabuku, reproachful, reducing from the enough, deprivation, depraved.

Now ibusi is a round idea that's standby: the koine word ibukun behaves like a new word that by a stroke of luck falls into perfect sense of the idea implied by the Egyptian model, ibusi.

But it's not luck, it's key: like it's the way the algorithm will work if you have all the integer parts in place. We're in trouble because all the answers are not in one place.

You must find them before you are lucky. More grease to the right places bro.

Will come back @metaphysical, you are heading somewhere with the ipetu, but adjust to ketu, where you have ketu akaba idena.

I will find out on the story of ketu from parinders on the structure of the ancient watchtower of ketu and we'll spice it up to our discussion.

Barka de sallah.

Happy Eid-il... Kabir
Aku iyedun...kaburu.

@OmoOlofin, thanks for the mention on the Ereko post (full meaning of Eko) on the Oba/Wike video thread... I did not reply you on that thread because it is a politics/propaganda thread, so I chose here. 2. Did you know that many important posts... especially noticed from pages 10 of TAO11 and TAO12 posts are missing/hidden. I strongly suspect gr****y is behind this because he recently posted an unprovoked hate speech on NL against millions of Yorubas and I instantly hit the Report button to report the hate speech to the Mods. NOTE: Please email the SuperModerators to let them UNBAN your HIDDEN POSTS. 3. Ereko (Eko) has always meant "pepper farm" to the Lagos Island indigenes/Yorubas... and NOT the dubious and false 'war camp' posted on the discredited Wikipedia which I first noticed in the 2000s by some young uneducated Bini-Edo. 4. I read an article over 10 years ago on NigeriaVillageSquare forum, and the Esan man who wrote the article said Esans were allegedly in Lagos in the active service of Benin Kingdom centuries back, and he wrote that Eko is also a word in the Esan-Edo dialect (use Google to get the full Esan/Eko post). 5. In the Yoruba language, EKO is shortened from EREKO just like MOIN MOIN is shortened from MOYIN MOYIN (MO EYIN i.e, sticking to the teeth).

Olu317:
Below are some cities in Yorubas Oral Memoir and Classic Hebrews

Aku: Name of Yoruba's ancestor.

Barkhou :Name of Hebrew ancestor, who lived in Egypt

Eda: Name to identify human being in Yoruba's language

Eda: Name used by Hebrews for them a people

Enyan/Eyan: Name used fo humans

Aryan: Name of a human Race in Near East

Elefon/Elufon: Name of a person and city

Elephantine: Name of a city in Lower Egypt

Falasa: Name of person

Falasa : Name of Hebrew group who lived in Abyssinia (Ethiopia)

Gberiko: Suburb

Jericho: Suburb

Ileonipole: Name of city in

Hellenpolis: Name of a place the Hebrew once lived in Egypt

Iseyen: Name of a city or Town

Seyen: Name of a city the Hebrews once lived in Egypt

Isoku/Isaku: Name of man and a city who was a pioneer ancestor of twin

Isaac: the Hebrews ancestor of twin

Usere/Iseri: Name of ancestor, city in Yoruba and as a people

Israel : Name of an ancestor of Hebrews, city and as a people

Ju/Iju: Name of people as a group,as interior land and a town or city

Jew: Name of people, town or city

Kanan: Same in unison or same as name of persons, place, animals , or things

Khanaan : Name of people as a united or synchronism

Katanga: A lopsided land which Yoruba people lived

Katunga: A land in Central Africa of Congo

N'ile: A lower land in Yoruba language

Nile: lower land in Egypt

Ninuife/Niliife: A place of ancient creation as acknowledged by Yorubas

Nineveh: A vast land in ancient Near East

Offa: A city in ancient Yoruba corpus

Jaffa: A land the hebrew lived in around the Sinai part that's is known to be borderline in Lower Egypt

Oramfe: Name of Yoruba ancestor

Aram:Name of a man who lived in Or (Oor) land in present day Iraqi land or related environment, called Mesopotamia

Ra: Name of land, person, light in Yoruba land

Ra: Name of a godman in Egypt and land in Egypt as well in Hebrew history

Oru: City in Yoruba land that was destroyed thousands of Years ago by water

Oor/Or: Mighty and industrial city that was destroyed by water in Near East

Mero: Name to identify people who does sorcery or mind readers

Meroe : Name of people in Ancient Egypt

Yebu/Jebus: Name of a city and Yoruba people

Yeb/Jebus: Name of extended Hebrews family members

With some form of research, information to the above names do have both true cognates and rare case of accidental cognates because 90% of these names are cities with descriptions. While the remaining are term for people or identity of a people as a nation .


Cheers

It can be said that Hermes is Hellenic for Ham, therefore the Bible is an accurate account of the ancient history.

In the relief below displaying satyr, the cast seems to be multiracial, possibly Punic and Hellenic or Romans.

Why was Ephesians Artemis depicted as black when the race is restricted to the impenetrable green Sahara?

Ancient history was more or less color blind.

Infact, the black folks ruled the world first.

2prexios:
As Salam alaikum bro!



I think I got cognizant of what you mean by koine words this morning, while working out some biblical passages. Your inputs can be a bit confusing atimes because it's not yet vet.

I can relate, hence I often take great effort to sound clear, or else I will fall woefully to make the slightest sense I so want to make. This should butress your point on koine words.

As Salam alaikum

That's a Hebrew greeting adopted in Islamic salutations, now observe the concept of blessings in Yoruba: ibukun. This sounds Christian. It should rather be iwure or isure.

Then we can isolate ibukun and treat it as a modern word coined in the recent past, for the beatitude passages in the New testament. However, I think your Egyptian resources had busi as ibukun, for blessings, isn't it?

Now here's the link

Already, the Yoruba had "salamo" in their language, the koine ibukun is a double entry, a neo-double. The original version is a form of prayer, "alekun owo, alekun omo, alekun oun rere gbogbo".

Alaikum, alekun, "be upon": le kun, "above full", bu kun, "add to enough", le, "be upon", "extra", ele, "extra". Antonymous variant: alabuku, reproachful, reducing from the enough, deprivation, depraved.

Now ibusi is a round idea that's standby: the koine word ibukun behaves like a new word that by a stroke of luck falls into perfect sense of the idea implied by the Egyptian model, ibusi.

But it's not luck, it's key: like it's the way the algorithm will work if you have all the integer parts in place. We're in trouble because all the answers are not in one place.

You must find them before you are lucky. More grease to the right places bro.

Walakum Asalam.

The Salam or Shalom both have same root as far as the two words are from Semitic background. So my conclusion is that the meaning of the word in Hebrew is not what the interpreters got it from my perspective and other interpreters, who gave the meaning differently.

My take on Koine as highlighted by you is that the same way, Oyo's dialect and others are related is the same manner that Asiatic language and Semitic are related to Yoruba language that jn them, many synonymous cognates words exist in Yoruba language a d these Asiatic and Semitic language. Therefore, it wil be tactical to realise that word can either be picked, alongside co existing ethnic groups while migration take place,through any neighbouring ethnic group. And the Hebrew roots that each word be generated in Septuagint till it got to English are transliterated and translated even if not accurate.


Furthermore, my complexity isnot as hard to understand although, I try so much to minimise the transliteration and translation to the best of my knowledge but I give answers in a pattern, I expect anyone to decipher the answer or reply.


Lastly, the challenge to us all is that, one can have a form of knowledge of the Hebrew ancient language by, understanding the purpose of the language and speaker of it ,in present time,do exist as contrary to scholars, who don't know that

The words found in Hebrew language as deciphered by interpreters of the Hebrews ideograms exist in Yoruba's language; An ethnic group that presently live in West Africa.

2prexios:
Will come back @metaphysical, you are heading somewhere with the ipetu, but adjust to ketu, where you have ketu akaba idena.

I will find out on the story of ketu from parinders on the structure of the ancient watchtower of ketu and we'll spice it up to our discussion.

Barka de sallah.

Happy Eid-il... Kabir
Aku iyedun...kaburu.

Eid Mubarak!
Thank you my brother. Olorun a wa pelu wa, a fun wa ni isegun.

MetaPhysical:
Eid Mubarak!
Thank you my brother. Olorun a wa pelu wa, a fun wa ni isegun.

Very many thanks bro.

Happy Eid-il Mubarak.

Amin.

This is an interesting article that has some bearing on whether the Yoruba can be said to hail from the Middle East.

http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/?fbclid=IwAR2LBaBnPJTogZYLp2IaYAc4W3zh7LN77klvz6W0c8milF221-p_yaG_oqM


If Yoruba, Igbo, Gaa and Akan are the same genetically then did they all come from Mecca? or Jerusalem? Can we find the linguistic connections in Gaa and Arabic too?

PastorAIO:
This is an interesting article that has some bearing on whether the Yoruba can be said to hail from the Middle East.

http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/?fbclid=IwAR2LBaBnPJTogZYLp2IaYAc4W3zh7LN77klvz6W0c8milF221-p_yaG_oqM


If Yoruba, Igbo, Gaa and Akan are the same genetically then did they all come from Mecca? or Jerusalem? Can we find the linguistic connections in Gaa and Arabic too?

ibo is not genetically link with yoruba pastor .. All human have monkey DNA doesn't mean we are ibos monkey

PastorAIO:
This is an interesting article that has some bearing on whether the Yoruba can be said to hail from the Middle East.

http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/?fbclid=IwAR2LBaBnPJTogZYLp2IaYAc4W3zh7LN77klvz6W0c8milF221-p_yaG_oqM


If Yoruba, Igbo, Gaa and Akan are the same genetically then did they all come from Mecca? or Jerusalem? Can we find the linguistic connections in Gaa and Arabic too?

Bogus claim.. by nutcase pan Africanism minded people...

Obalufon:
Bogus claim.. by nutcase pan Africanism minded people...

What is bogus about using scientific method to enquire into the genome of different tribes. This research was not done by 'pan Africanism minded people' as you claim. It was done done by the National Human Genome Research Institute amongst others. The NHGRI is not a 'pan africanist' organisation. There are Chinese amongst the researchers.

I would perfectly understand if you don't want to engage with the Science itself.

Obalufon:
ibo is not genetically link with yoruba pastor .. All human have monkey DNA doesn't mean we are ibos monkey

Almost all living things have some DNA in common. We share DNA with bananas too. That doesn't mean we cannot still see an even closer correlation of DNA in people that are related.

Imagine you do DNA test for your child and they find that your child is even closer genetically to your best friend than to you. What will you say?

"Don't worry child, all humans have monkey DNA so you're still my offspring and I will continue to pay your school fees. Just because the DNA says you're uncle Fatai's son and not mine doesn't mean anything". LOL, good luck with that.

Obalufon:
ibo is not genetically link with yoruba pastor .. All human have monkey DNA doesn't mean we are ibos monkey

Baba

You will not come and kee person o.

Jeez.

PastorAIO:
Almost all living things have some DNA in common. We share DNA with bananas too. That doesn't mean we cannot still see an even closer correlation of DNA in people that are related.

Imagine you do DNA test for your child and they find that your child is even closer genetically to your best friend than to you. What will you say?

"Don't worry child, all humans have monkey DNA so you're still my offspring and I will continue to pay your school fees. Just because the DNA says you're uncle Fatai's son and not mine doesn't mean anything". LOL, good luck with that.

Ibos are hybrid of monkey and human according to Yoruba history .My ancestor are always distinguishing themselves from their humoind neigbors even hausa and fulaniare not consisered as humanbeing by forefathers Yoruda adage says Gambari pa Fulani ko ni ejo ni nu eranko ati eranko lon' jo pa arawon je"" Gambari kill

PastorAIO:
Almost all living things have some DNA in common. We share DNA with bananas too. That doesn't mean we cannot still see an even closer correlation of DNA in people that are related.

Imagine you do DNA test for your child and they find that your child is even closer genetically to your best friend than to you. What will you say?

"Don't worry child, all humans have monkey DNA so you're still my offspring and I will continue to pay your school fees. Just because the DNA says you're uncle Fatai's son and not mine doesn't mean anything". LOL, good luck with that.

Ibos are hybrid of monkey and human according to Yoruba history .My ancestors were always distinguishing themselves from their humoind neighbors even Hausa and Fulani are not considered as human being by my forefathers not to talk of Ibos monkey ... Yoruda adage says Gambari pa Fulani ko ni ejo ni nu eranko ati eranko lon' jo pa arawon je"" Gambari kill Fulanis means nothing both are animals killing themselves

So in other words you’re just a bigoted guy and all these things you’re spouting here have no scientific or scholarly basis just your hateful ignorance.

You really can’t see how pathetic your mind is that it is Arab and Hebrew lohun lohun that you are claiming due to religious indoctrination. But the obvious genetic link to your neighbors fills you with loathing that is obviously really a self loathing.

Obalufon:
Ibos are hybrid of monkey and human according to Yoruba history .My ancestor are always distinguishing themselves from their humoind neigbors even hausa and fulaniare not consisered as humanbeing by forefathers Yoruda adage says Gambari pa Fulani ko ni ejo ni nu eranko ati eranko lon' jo pa arawon je"" Gambari kill

PastorAIO:
So in other words you’re just a bigoted guy and all these things you’re spouting here have no scientific or scholarly basis just your hateful ignorance.

You really can’t see how pathetic your mind is that it is Arab and Hebrew lohun lohun that you are claiming due to religious indoctrination. But the obvious genetic link to your neighbors fills you with loathing that is obviously really a self loathing.

i'm reflection of my ancestors with their norms and values ..The path they tread i will also take ..You can't merge me with bunch of monkeys ..These people you are trying to merge us with hate us Yoruba with passion ,you never ask yourself why you people hate us so much

Obalufon:
i'm reflection of my ancestors with their norms and values ..The path they tread i will also take ..You can't merge me with bunch of monkeys ..These people you are trying to merge us with hate us Yoruba with passion ,you never ask yourself why you people hate us so much

Will you keep quiet. What ancestors? You who are a lost soul with no knowledge or connection to his ancestry
Wannabe Hebrew

And nobody is trying to merge anybody with anybody you dimwit.
Yoruba and her neighbors share common origin is not the same as saying Yoruba are Igbos
Damned retard