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| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 6:38pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
Barristter07:mr barrister, A man without blood is a human. Whether a dead human or a living human the fact is that it is still human. Are you aware that a man can still survive a few minutes if his blood is completely drained out?
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| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 7:34pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
livingchrist: We hinges our last discuss on two points. If you want to continue let me know your stance Do you now agree that the word 'HADES' translated to HELL means GRAVE and not a fiery place of torment? That Jesus is never to return to corruptible human body that gets tired, can be pierced, and can killed? 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:32pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
When a man feels like talking last or loudest it's not because he's got something benefitial to say rather he just wants to keep talking to conceal his ignorance. Jesus never sent us our in search of arguments but the lost sheep of the house of Israel (those who are interested in knowing where other sheep are being fed spiritually) Matthew 10:6, 15:24 When i first met JWs i refused to continue chatting with them because instantly i felt that further discussion with this people will convince me to join them! Act 26:28 I remembered a Churchgoer friend of mine back then who always argue as if he's a Bible student, he often put up arguments anytime the JWs come but one thing i noticed is he never preached to me and it's only when the JWs come around that he will pick up his incomplete copy of the Bible for arguments. So i asked him to stop coming to disturb my own study, instead he should invite them if he truthfully has anything to teach them. His response ~ "I can never give them a audience they know nothing in the Bible, it's because you don't have the holy spirit you should have known that they are empty" but this is a person i've never seen preach nor discuss Bible topics with anyone else except when the JWs come around to study with me!  So if anyone has what it takes to preach and teach God's word let them go out there and prove themselves. The reason why i continue to ask of the group they belong is to know how seriously such a group takes the preaching and teaching work, after all everyone knows Jehovah's Witnesses globally for their zeal to preach and teach in their neighbourhood. Their refusal is enough evidence that they're all empty barrels making the loudest noise!  They're only trying to put up arguments to conceal their ignorance, even though i was a Muslim back then, my conscience will not allow me to start arguing blindly when i don't belong to any group practicing preaching and teaching for real! haddeylium: 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 8:44pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
haddeylium: Who was having a discussion with you base on hell? Trying to change topic after you have being exposed, why are you now running? Jesus body didnt suffer corruption/disolution that has being settled in the bible, lying jehovah witness heretics, you are working for the devil who is a liar not Jehovah. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by johnw47: 11:10pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
haddeylium: just stick to your father the devil's lies girlie Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 11:57pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
livingchrist:Good! I will take this as you knowing the difference now. So, Don't compare a fiery place of torment doctrine to corruption! [b]Jesus body didnt suffer corruption[/b]that has being settled in the bible, lying jehovah witness heretics, you are working for the devil who is a liar not Jehovah. @bold You're right sir! As foretold, Jehovah kept his promise. The only question left unanswered is Did Jesus' take back the corruptible human body that gets tired, can be pierced and be killed with nails? |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 11:58pm On Nov 23, 2020 |
johnw47: Ok sir! |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by johnw47: 3:40am On Nov 24, 2020 |
song of the false jw's: "Come on let's twist again" |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 7:42am On Nov 24, 2020 |
haddeylium: You're not in debate for if the END PRODUCT is DECOMPOSITION.... Can you see your hypocrisy here According to the strong meaning of the word used.. THE WORD corruption itself is DECOMPOSITION Saying Jesus body didn't suffer CORRUPTION is to say it didn't DECOMPOSE, can you get it? So if you say Jesus' body was decomposed/corrupted by God means Jesus body underwent CORRUPTION. But Jesus body didn't experience any of this to attain dissolution. So, His Flesh didn't experience corruption. You're still committing intellectual dishonesty! Dissolution/decompositionc/corruption are still the same thing. For God to decompose Jesus' body means God CORRUPTED the body. For you to get the clear picture, substitute CORRUPTION in any place you use decomposition/dissolution e.t.c Even scientifically, nothing undergone decomposition without ruin/rot because chemical reaction must take place but the process can be QUICK or SLOW! So to say something decomposed is to say the thing gets corrupted. Thank you! 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 7:43am On Nov 24, 2020 |
livingchrist: We are discussing living humans. Dead humans are dust , For a person to an Human , a living soul , they must possess blood. Lack of blood render you dead. So the Bible said the life of the flesh is in the blood. If Jesus is a living human, Then he possess blood. Unless you mean he is a dead person . I won't argue with you . From the link you posted " But, without the blood flowing, the patient’s brain is not getting any oxygen and under normal circumstances brain damage occurs after just two minutes without oxygen. To give the team a longer window to operate they take another remarkable step: they cool the patient’s body from the normal 37 degrees to just 20 degrees. At this cooler temperature the brain function slows down and so the brain can survive for twenty minutes. But after 20 minutes, the surgeon must stop his work and allow the patient to have their blood returned to their body and then warmed up, so that the brain can receive vital oxygen. " I doubt you read that . Blood must be returned to the patients body soon enough unless they die. Livingchrist, you are a complete Joke. |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 7:44am On Nov 24, 2020 |
livingchrist:Is a dead human . No doubt ( even the link you screenshotted said the blood must be returned ) |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 7:44am On Nov 24, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: You don't need to! Just keep shut since you can't tell me the God you invoke to Bless me. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 7:59am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Barristter07: You're still lying! You can't twist this one, here is your statement again "SPIRIT persons (plural) are represented as Neuter in scriptures." It's evident from this statement that what you have in mind is THEIR PERSONS not that actual word spirit! He is a Dead human. Life is in the blood, Any human without Blood is Dead, Dust!!! So if flesh and bones can be energized through other means without blood(life is in the blood) can it still be called human? Humans are Flesh and Blood . Without blood, they are dead. An empty skull person like you has already says LIFE is in the blood. Can the flesh and bones be called human if another thing energized the body? Jesus is human now in heaven, a flesh and bones is human. No single sense , Jesus ressurected as flesh and bones , forgetin he has wounds , yet you could use the word " Pattern, " As you have lost your thinking faculty. We will be patterned AFTER JESUS Glorified body And again, 1 Corinthians 15:38 is to cure your delusion on that. Ressurection as Humans won't alter the Asian, American, African looks and varieties, Lazarus that died was the one that came out. His appearance didn't change , he also retain his Male sex , So as far as humans are concerned, varieties exist . And they are Male and Females. ( Rev 21:3 , Genesis 5:2) But IN CHRIST JESUS there is no Jews or Greek, male or female but we're ALL ONE. So you believe that type of Lazarus resurrection is the type of resurrection that people will have. Where is Lazarus today because after resurrection people won't die again.Clown! Baptism into Christ like that Romans I gave you explain is a baptism that enable the bearer share in the likeness of Jesus ressurection . His very Divine nature as Spirit beings. No male or female... Are you baptized INTO CHRIST? Now the lying liar wants to tell us that there's two different baptism INTO CHRIST. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 8:07am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Barristter07: See the brain dead person declaring a human under surgery dead. To tell you that resurrected body are different from the normal human body now. The resurrected bodies wont: 1. Feel hungry again 2. Neither thirst any more 3. Neither need the Sun nor any HEAT These three things are essential for human body but for God to say we won't need this no more means there will be drastic change to our resurrected body. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:14am On Nov 24, 2020 |
. Emusan: Have made my point. U can clinch to your ignorance. What matters is the word Spirit or spirits is neither male or female.
No, to be human, it must be energized by Blood. Or else it's dead. Hebrew 2:14 " Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood —the Son also became flesh and blood. " NLT
Leviticus 17:14 made that point. Is the Bible an empty skull ?
Here is that Glorified body , emphasis on the word " Pattern "  . Am so happy you used that word FinallyThey told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he replied, “I won’t believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side.” " Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!” John 20:25,27 So ressurected ones will retain wounds , hunch backs, accident scars, fire burned skins. What a Glorified body .
Ever heard of " second death " ? I doubt . People will be ressurected as humans, male and Females , both good and bad , and those who fail the final test will die again. While the Faithful believers Live forever ( Revelation 21:3) Only those going to heaven to share God's divine nature as Spirit won't be affected by second death. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:15am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Emusan: E Pain am So y'all have been pushing a dead Jesus agenda all this while . 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 8:24am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Barristter07: Just as I've made mine and you can keep living in your delusions. No, to be human, it must be energized by Blood. Or else it's dead. Lying liar... LIFE was only in the BLOOD, Ezekiel talks about DRYING BONES which are human without blood. Here is that Glorified body , emphasis on the word " Pattern " See Jesus describing His human body yet a deluded JWs claiming He's not human. 1 Corinthians 15:38 is there to cure your delusion on that. Ever heard of " second death " ? @bold...very laughable, on what condition will faithful believers live FOREVER when they have the same resurrection like those experiencing second death? Something must make their own resurrection different from those who will fail the final test....you'll see how you'll rope yourself into more trouble now. Only those going to heaven to share God's divine nature as Spirit won't be affected by second death. ALL BELIEVERS won't be affected by the second death because Jesus would have come for ALL HIS SAINTS at first resurrection. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 8:26am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Barristter07:Does a human under surgery a dead human being the lying liar? 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 8:28am On Nov 24, 2020 |
haddeylium:Good to know you know that Jesus body didnt suffer corruption but was resurrected. |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 8:37am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Barristter07:You called it dead human right? Which means it is still human. I guess since only blood qualify a being to be called human, whether it should be called a dead or living human depend on whether it can show the characteristics of a living human and blood is not one of it. you have seeing it that a human can survive without blood even if for a few minutes.During those few minutes that he lives without blood, does it mean he is no longer human because he was without blood? You are the joke here. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 8:40am On Nov 24, 2020 |
Barristter07:whether dead or alive, it is still human right? 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:41am On Nov 24, 2020 |
OK Sir!  Emusan: |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 10:59am On Nov 24, 2020 |
livingchrist: We're both reaching conclusion based on the much will know. You believe he didn't suffer corruption by raising up exactly with human body he was killed with. corruption is an English word which is polysemic I compared with the original meaning and showed you it means-His flesh didn't worsen, smell, or depreciate from his pure. The implication of your words is that: Jesus returned to that corruptible body that gets tired, can be pierced, or killed! God's word says 'Jesus is never to return to corruption" ? You were saying? 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 1:18pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
Emusan: John 17:4-5 ( compare1 Corinthians 15:44-45) "4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed." Jesus Christ confirms he is going back to receive the glory in the spiritual realm as a Spirit, shame on your False,LYING claim. Mr LIENUS  |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 1:51pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
haddeylium: But we didn't see the conclusion you're reaching. You believe he didn't suffer corruption by raising up exactly with human body he was killed with. That's what the scripture says. corruption is an English word which is polysemic But to see corruption is to decompose/destroyed So if Jesus' body won't see corruption then it must means it won't be DESTROYED by any means in the first place. See how different translations put Acts 2:31 AMPC: "He, foreseeing this, spoke [by foreknowledge] of the resurrection of the Christ (the Messiah) that He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor did His body know decay or see destruction." CSB: Seeing what was to come, he spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah: He was not abandoned in Hades, and his flesh did not experience decay. CEB: Having seen this beforehand, David spoke about the resurrection of Christ, that he wasn’t abandoned to the grave, nor did his body experience decay. CJB: he was speaking in advance about the resurrection of the Messiah, that it was he who was not abandoned in Sh’ol and whose flesh did not see decay. CEV: David knew this would happen, and so he told us that Christ would be raised to life. He said that God would not leave him in the grave or let his body decay. GNT: David saw what God was going to do in the future, and so he spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah when he said, ‘He was not abandoned in the world of the dead; his body did not rot in the grave.’ PHILLIPS: He foresaw the resurrection of Christ, and it is this of which he is speaking. Christ was not deserted in death and his body was never destroyed. We can all see from here that, corruption/decay/decomposition/destroy is what the verse is talking about. And the key point here is that the BODY won't "EXPERIENCE/SEE" So for God to later DECOMPOSE/DESTROY Jesus body means the prophesy of David is a lie. The implication of your words is that: Lack of scriptural understanding made you uttered that @bolden part. Resurrection is about sowed in corruption and reap in incorruptible. Which means the flesh now being transformed beyond normal human bodies that decay and died. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 1:52pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
Janosky: The deluded JaNosense is here with his baseless and unconnected words. 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 1:53pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
haddeylium:the greek word for decay is διαφθοράν it mean destruction, decay, dissolution.When a body is disintegrated then it has depreciated from it's original form. The word corruption clearly reflect the original greek translation. See below 1 Like
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| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 2:11pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
Emusan:Emusan sifia pains John 17:4-5, Jesus Christ exposure of your Jesus human body in heaven, is your nemesis.
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| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 2:12pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
livingchrist: @bold Exactly! That's what all human body experience except that of Jesus'! He didn't depreciate from the original form. There, his flesh didn't not suffer corruption or decay Use this illustration A Car can be disassembled into each individual components it was constructed. Towards, disassemblage, it was not corrupted or see rot. That those components can be use in the assemblage of another. This car is not destroyed Now, this other car get rotten over time, the metals rust, decay, the individual components fall out and ruin. You can say this car suffer corruption! Notice among the version Emusan quoted 'His flesh will not decay' 'His flesh will not rotten' Jehovah kept his word and not his flesh did see rot or corruption You grab? Thanks! 2 Likes |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 2:29pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
haddeylium: But it was FINALLY depreciated from its original form by Jehovah. Use this illustration After I warned you about diving into what you have zero knowledge about, you still come up with this analogy So where are the parts of Jesus' body kept The car is not destroyed but you claimed the body was DECOMPOSED/Destroyed. Why changing your mouth? Notice among the version Emusan quoted To decay is to decompose/destroy So what happened to Jesus body? Jehovah kept his word and not his flesh did see rot or corruption Didn't Jehovah destroy the body again? You grab? Do you? 1 Like |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 2:46pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
| Wahala con be like bicycle. Follow Jesus, follow Jesus them no hear. Now, a foolish doctrine has caused confusion in their heads. You don't sew metal and linen together, kolewerk. It's either you drop that doctrine, or you drop Jesus. |
| Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 2:54pm On Nov 24, 2020 |
Emusan:We won't have this discussion if you checked the meaning of 'Depreciation' The second car depreciated, The first car didn't.[/quote] After I warned you about diving into what you have zero knowledge about, you still come up with this analogyFirst car is not destroyed. it undergo disassemblage into constituents components. The second card undergo destruction/Decay/Corruption. To destroy- To damage. Did Jehovah Damage Jesus' Human body...No? Jehovah create human body using Dust that contains the individual components Jesus Human body dissolves into this components like the car that was dissembled. Both didn't suffer decay or rot towards it's dissemble You're welcome |
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