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This is an exercise in insanity

Some.of you guys need to be institutionalized

FrLukas:
I don't think the Yorubas have any connection with the Jews.

Rather I think we have a more direct connection with Ancient Egypt called Kemet.

Note that I said ANCIENT Egypt.

Apart from the many connections that have been hashed out in scientific and historical papers, there's one that strikes me the most.

That's the issue of kingship.

Ancient Egypt until a few millennia ago had god-kings. The belief that the king was a god was a prominent belief of the ancient Egyptians until a few centuries ago.

The same belief is still prominent in Yoruba custom and practices as the king is regarded as a god, Èkejì Òrìṣà.

The crown of an ancient Pharaoh that covers his face is very identical to the crown that the Obas in Yorubaland wear that has beads in front that covers their faces.

The reason for hiding their faces is so that mere mortals do not dare to gaze on the countenance of a god.

Just my humble opinion. I stand to be corrected.

What Egyptian Crown covers the Pharaoh's face?

You have more information on this crown?

FrLukas:
I really don't see the connection between the word Samuel and Orisa.

Samuel can be broken down into its component phrases Samu-El El meaning God.

Same with Rapha-El, Micha-El, etc.

That connection you point to doesn't exist.

LOL. There is no connection between any of the Yoruba words these people try to link with names from the Bible

macof:
LOL. There is no connection between any of the Yoruba words these people try to link with names from the Bible

If that's what you expected, it proofs that you have no inclination what you claim to be. What makes olaaka cognate with oruka? What makes natus cognate with cognate? What makes ego cognate with owo?

You are a fool, I've asked you that if you find an ancient orthography, you can't understand it at a glance and that's what you often do except for your own seldom inputs like owo and ego.

Why not look for owo and ego in either languages? You can't use one rule here and abandon the same rule there. If Odion is Odiyan is hard to swallow for you, how much more this?

I reserve this for Professor Akintoye

Comparative studies in historical linguistics

In the meantime, the excerpts I posted earlier from the book "Sophie's World" brought some vital insights to fore on how scholars had employed historical linguistics. A researcher is meant to be conversant with such.

Professor Akintoye have us believe that the Yoruba had derived from the Niger Congo language family, which is good. But was there a demonstration of his novel findings on shared historical cognates in the same piece?

Yet the opportunity that professor Akintoye has was expended on Yoruba place names, such as okun, ijumu etc that should be Yoruba places naturally. We are good to know how this places play prominent roles in shaping the Niger Congo linguistic family hypothesis.

However, in the book Sophie's World above, we see the cognates that validate indo European language hypothesis put to good use.

Then whoever has taken time to read the piece on Sophie's World should see conformity with the time of the emergence of Indo-European languages and the Niger Congo linguistic family. What kind of coincidence is that?

Anyone that has been following my input can easily put the facts together: the doctrine of linguistic family has its umbilical cord connected to the work of John Hunter Duvar and the three ages of human civilization somewhere.

By placing the the emergence of two linguistic families in the same time bracket (4,000 years ago!) proofs that:

1. One did not derive from the other in an evolutionary tree on this mutual original timing, but were contemporaries. That invalidate the emigration from Africa of mankind.

2. Languages ultimately derived from their prototype and human race had been hunter gatherrs that culminated into farming and livestock husbandry.

3. The time frame given by these two sources indirectly validate the Bible as a proper historical source for attempting to explain that Sumeria was a place where language became confused.

4. The original language spoken by mankind is thus the prototype, while the derivatives are the offshoots that spread around the world from hunting and gathering without borders.

Linguistic is the improvement of the Bible tradition that humans are once with one language that got confused, hence languages shares coincidence around the world.

Part of the inalienable fact about living things generally is the principle accronymed as MRNIGERD. Living things can move when irritated by external stimulus or reflex action.

Emigration is the response to this stimulus in mankind and it happened throughout history till this very moment, of people changing location in the air, sea and rail ports across the world.

absoluteSuccess:
If that's what you expected, it proofs that you have no inclination what you claim to be. What makes olaaka cognate with oruka? What makes natus cognate with cognate? What makes ego cognate with owo?

You are a fool, I've asked you that if you find an ancient orthography, you can't understand it at a glance and that's what you often do except for your own seldom inputs like owo and ego.

Why not look for owo and ego in either languages? You can't use one rule here and abandon the same rule there. If Odion is Odiyan is hard to swallow for you, how much more this?

You have your answer here. Stop going in circles

macof:
Very hilarious comments, ultimately exposing more stubborn and committed ignorance. All 4 came hot because of my post on patterns of sound change.. That post really scared the hell out of all of you. It was fun to read the angry reactions and honestly it's just because I've given up on you people already otherwise it ought to be a sad thing. No messiah can save you from your hebetudinous intellect and willful ignorance.

I will explain for the last time to you on this matter of language.

#1 Yoruba placement
First of all, none of you are linguists and your command of the Yoruba language has been shown on this thread to be unimpressive so how can you claim to know that expert linguists are wrong on a matter you don't know enough about?

Scholars (Africans and non Africans alike) who have studied the Yoruba language and other languages in the Volta-Niger (East Kwa) language group, have reported the result of their study and research. And nobody has condemned the existence of a Niger - congo language group nor Yoruba Language 's relatedness to other languages in its immediate language family. So your blabbings are restricted to your clique of Hebrew and Arab wannabes who do not rely on facts.
Funny how you 4 can claim because a European was the first to come up with the label "Kwa languages" the idea must be false . But it was also Europeans who came up with the idea of "semitic languages". So this point of referring to who came up with the idea is hypocritical. Trying to remove Yoruba from Kwa on grounds that the language group was labelled by linguists of European descent, only to try to put Yoruba in Semitic - a language group created by linguists of European descent
You all lack consistent arguments


Secondly, the fact that these language groups were first penned by someone of European descent does not mean the language groups are false. The ancestry of the scholar is inconsequential. A thing is not false because of who said it.. A thing is false simply because it is not true nor based on anything that can stand scrutiny.

The linguists of European descent who were vital to the rise of linguistics in Africa were not racist or schizophrenic. That's an unnecessary label, one that is frankly untrue.
You don't think the semitic people who you want to be are racist despite all the things they wrote in their holy books? You think they like you? Anyway that's a topic for another day, another thread.

The placement of Yoruba, Ewe, Nupe, Igbo , Edo, Idoma, Igala, Fon fon, Ga etc as related languages have not been rejected by any renowned scholar, rather our knowledge of the science of these languages has improved because of the initial work that grouped these languages together. My own ongoing research for my thesis on ancient Yoruba history has been aided by the work of historical linguists so historians can testify.

If you want some popular Yoruba linguists, here are some : Odutayo Akinkugbe, Bolaji Aremo, Abiodun Adetugbo
People actually study these things. So it's not for any of you 4 to tell linguists that they are all wrong when your argument makes no sense.


#2. Comparative Historical Linguistics
Even from my own research and reflection as a historian who has keen interest in linguistics
All Kwa languages possess identical properties... To name a few:
- a high and low tone and occasional mid tone; absence of gender and plural forms of words;
- no verb conjugations, nor change in verb morphology during change in grammatical aspects eg. O lọ : he goes / he went (lọ will always remain lọ in every aspect without undergoing a morphological change)

Totally different from semitic languages


Plus I have demonstrated that there are patterns of change in the consonant sounds of words in Kwa languages



An etymon is a word or morpheme from which a later word is derived.
Cognages are words that share common etymological origin..

That is cognates are siblings and have an etymon as their parent.
You jump on my post to argue with my sound pattern without actually debunking it because you don't understand what cognates and etymon mean. You just have to jump on it because you can't agree to it and still claim Yoruba is semitic
Even you guys aren't dumb enough to contradict yourselves like that

But I'm waiting for you to actually show how those patterns are false

Cognates are not words that look alike when written down and share similar meaning. (Iron and Ìrìn are not cognates, neither are Apá and Apart)
That is not the meaning of cognate.

You have to study
1. The pronunciation of the words or change in pronunciation over time.
Words are phonological (concerning pronunciation) first before being about letters and alphabets

Iron and Ìrìn do not sound alike nor do they trace back in pronunciation to the same word

2. The break down of the words
Break the words down if possible into syllables and let's see if they still hold the illusion of being connected

3. Etymology. That is the original meaning of a word, or how that word came to be

The English word "Iron" does not come from Hebrew.
Here's the Hebrew word for Iron as you claim www.nairaland.com/attachments/11929452_20200713_pngd5ce797e9627f7006f42524bd2058735
And here again is the etymology of the English "Iron" from another internationally recognised source: online etymology dictionary
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11929451_202007133_pngfcd58e86ded9b890cc7b3e8f47d9a42e

And why are you trying to argue that Apá is cognate with Apart Apart comes from Latin "Ad Partem" .. Or now Latin too is a semitic language
Or Latin borrowed the word "Ad Partem" from Hebrew?

You guys are the bumbest 4 on this forum if you can't see the stupidity in this particular argument. It's hilarious because you guys really think you are making sense

Here are two links on the basics of historical linguistics. Explaining the comparative method and how two languages can be said to be related

[-https://linguistics.ucsc.edu/about/what-is-linguistics.html
-https://www.britannica.com/science/comparative-linguistics]

While you are saying Yoruba Apá is cognate with Latin Ad Partem
People who know better say Yoruba Apá (and Iká: finger) is cognate with igbo Aka

Here's a link to some linguists and anthropologists compiling a limited list of cognate words between Yoruba and Igbo (the two biggest Volta-Niger languages)

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-similar-words-in-the-Igbo-and-Yoruba-Languages


# 3 Trusting Experts
Why can we trust the experts who say Yoruba language is related to languages spoken around Yorùbáland instead of trusting you random 4 young men who do not even belong to any academic community who say Yoruba language is not related to languages around but rather to languages over 7,000 Kilometers away in a different continent spoken by people who don't look anything like yorubas

1. There is no record of mass migration into Yorùbáland, Igboland, Idomaland, Igalaland, Edoland, Nupeland. We can assume based on this alone that these neighbours have lived close to each other for thousands of years and probably share common origin, so their languages must be related
2. These languages share identical properties. Tonal languages, No verb morphology, no definite article
In case you don't know what definite article means (which you 4 most likely don't) :
Definite article is the word "the" used before a noun eg. The Car.
3. Words like Ewure (Yoruba) - Ewe (Edo) Ewu (Igbo) : Goat
Akuko (Yoruba) - Okhokho (Edo) - Okuko (Igbo) : Fowl
Erin (Yoruba) - Eni (Edo) - Enyi (Igbo) : Elephant
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) : Ear
Ọnu (Igbo) - Ẹnu (Yoruba) : Mouth
Miri (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) :Water

You get the point?
Refer to my earlier link on similar words in igbo and Yoruba, you can also use any igbo dictionary to check the authenticity of the igbo words since you don't speak igbo

This is how you know people who went to school and take knowledge seriously

Interesting thing is that you may say that "Ọkhọkhọ" in Edo is cognate with "Cockk" in English
But you will disagree that Ewu, Ewure and Ewe are cognates

I have given priceless education on this thread, hit you back to back with facts and information. That is yet to be debunked. I am waiting for any of you to show any of my statements false like I do with yours on a regular
At this point anyone who wants to learn more should simply ask questions.
I will be responding only to relevant posts on this topic from now on because it has been over flogged if anyone still thinks Yoruba language is not related to neighbouring languages then believe what you like. It is yourself you are embarrassing.

Words are really about sound and the meaning attributed to specific sounds put together not the letters and alphabet. So you don't focus on looking for two words that have same alphabets like you embarrassed yourself with "Sa-muel" being "Òrì-ṣà" or Iron being Ìrìn

And how do we confirm that two words from two different languages are cognates? Through the comparative method which aims to highlight the change in sound between the two words

Consonant sound change in East Kwa (Volta-Niger) languages

gh - w, h, g eg. Money : Owo, Ogho (Yoruboid) Igho (Edoid) Ego (Igboid)/ You sg. : iwọ (Yoruboid), ihọ (Edoid), gi (Igboid) / They : wọn, ghan, gha (Yoruboid and Edoid), ha (igboid).
Or kp - k eg. Hand: Apá [Akpá] (Yoruboid) Aka (igboid)/ Frog : Ọpọlọ[Ọkpọlọ] (yoruboid), Eko (edoid), Akolo (igboid).
Or l - n, r eg. Neck: Ọrùn, Olu (yoruboid and igboid) Onu (igboid)/ Ring : Òrùka, Oluka(Yoruboid), Olaaka (Igboid) / Sky/Above : Ọ̀run, Ọlu (Yoruboid and Igboid), Elu (Igboid) / In/at : ni, li, na (Yoruboid, edoid and igboid)

uncertain: i don't like posting things i'm still researching but take this as a bonus
Or ny - n, y eg.´Elephant: Erin (Yoruboid), Eni (Edoid), Enyi (Igboid) /Mother : Iye, Nne from possibly "Inye" . Nna (Father or Mother in Igboid, depending on dialect) and Iya (Mother in Yoruba) could then be safely established as cognates

Yoruboid includes Igala. Edoid includes urhobo. Igboid includes Ekpeye

macof:
You have your answer here. Stop going in circles



Words are really about sound and the meaning attributed to specific sounds put together not the letters and alphabet. So you don't focus on looking for two words that have same alphabets like you embarrassed yourself with "Sa-muel" being "Òrì-ṣà" or Iron being Ìrìn

And how do we confirm that two words from two different languages are cognates? Through the comparative method which aims to highlight the change in sound between the two words

All these epistle to proof what exactly? Do me a favor, reduce the junks to clean and clear inputs that's easy to digest, with source. I can't handle your junk just to prove anything. I beg I can't.

You have penchant for blurry and clumsy points that you will make into fact in no time. Then the whole world is blamed for not sticking to your concept of fact.

Yours is redundant truth that talk about the property of the action and not the action itself. Such a rocket science you've got. Science simplifies knowledge.

Odiyan is Odion

It doesn't take formulas to detect that Odion and Odiyan are true cognates true friends. What comparative method apply? Similarities of words and idea, simple.

And come to think of it, you mean this is all the engineering process that our languages went through to be different? WOW, it's NASA scientist that created and differentiated the languages we speak!

Irin and iron

Now, irin and iron are cognates bro. You made the selection based on the fact that the words look alike and mean the same thing. Also your apart and apa, ke and care are cognates.

Please understand cognate as "recognize", "cognizance", think out of the box for once. You gain "cognizance" of the cognates by "recognizing" the similarities they share.

That's "true"+"cognate": Then the words in question are tagged "true cognates". Now are they targeting the same object or entity? If yes, such is "true cognates, true friends".

But does every similar sounding word in different languages have common meaning? No, then such are "true cognates (similar words) false friends (different meaning)". That's just it.

Occam's razor applies: "don't invent new, weird theory when a simple, common sense answer already exists". Please don't make ignorance into a new rule in epistemology.

Samuel and Ori-sa

You are making knowledge impossible because it's difficult for you to attain knowledge. Science simplify knowledge. How about Samuel and Ori-sa? Can you exhume ancient history intact?

I have given my analysis earlier. Don't whine, tell your audience the proper interpretation of the word in question, minding what I've once told you, collocation. It's a test of your intellect.

FrLukas:
I don't think the Yorubas have any connection with the Jews.

Rather I think we have a more direct connection with Ancient Egypt called Kemet.

Note that I said ANCIENT Egypt.

Apart from the many connections that have been hashed out in scientific and historical papers, there's one that strikes me the most.

That's the issue of kingship.

Ancient Egypt until a few millennia ago had god-kings. The belief that the king was a god was a prominent belief of the ancient Egyptians until a few centuries ago.

The same belief is still prominent in Yoruba custom and practices as the king is regarded as a god, Èkejì Òrìṣà.

The crown of an ancient Pharaoh that covers his face is very identical to the crown that the Obas in Yorubaland wear that has beads in front that covers their faces.

The reason for hiding their faces is so that mere mortals do not dare to gaze on the countenance of a god.

Just my humble opinion. I stand to be corrected.

You must be an extremely wise one. Anyway, the Yoruba ancestors have link to every ethnic group in the world. So, Egypt is a contrast in this regard.

The reason being that the Egyptians were not as religiously inclined as Yoruba's, whose identity is hidden in Y R B.

The Igba keji orisa is not unto God but as linked to ancestors. Although Orisa is also known as God Almighty, but in this regard, it is unto ancestors. This above information is the accepted version of the translation of Igba keji orisa.

The Crowns worn in Yoruba land by kings are many which covers beyond what you term as Egyptians crowns. Among the crowns,the ancient ooni of 12th century and before had a crown made of helmet, fezlike cap, rossete as emblem of authority.

Olu317:
You must be an extremely wise one. Anyway, the Yoruba ancestors have link to every ethnic group in the world. So, Egypt is a contrast in this regard.

The reason being that the Egyptians were not as religiously inclined as Yoruba's, whose identity is hidden in Y R B.

The Igba keji orisa is not unto God but as linked to ancestors. Although Orisa is also known as God Almighty, but in this regard, it is unto ancestors. This above information is the accepted version of the translation of Igba keji orisa.

The Crowns worn in Yoruba land by kings are many which covers beyond what you term as Egyptians crowns. Among the crowns,the ancient ooni of 12th century and before had a crown made of helmet, fezlike cap, rossete as emblem of authority.

Well, we learn daily.

As per the Orishas.

There are minor Orishas and there is the main one who is called Orisha Nla. Which means the supreme deity.

It was in my study of Hermeticism and mysticism that I realized that Yoruba spirituality fits like a hand in glove.

You see, while Orisha Nla is the supreme Deity, it's quite different from Olodumare.

In some parlance, Orisha Nla would be regarded as equivalent to Mother Nature/The Universe and they'd be right. (In my opinion)

Smaller Orishas are the ones we venerate especially if they've lived a remarkable and magical life on earth before passing on. For example, Jesus the Christ is a powerful Orisha/god.

We too can be considered to be Orishas in potentiality. After all Oba Koso, popularly refered to today as Sango, god of fire, thunder and lightning was the third Alaafin of Oyo.

Of course not all Orishas become embodied in the flesh.

I'd also like to just chip in here that Orisha Nla is quite different and supremely inferior to The ABSOLUTE which I believe the Yorubas call OLODUMARE/ELEDUMARE. The Source and Originator of LIFE.

That's my understanding.

Of course, I'm still a student of esoteric knowledge and mysticism, and my ignorance may be excused should in case a Master or an Adept or even an Initiate is reading my feeble attempts here.

But I see a lot of meeting points between Yoruba spirituality and the first and most ancient of spiritual knowledge of man, Hermeticism, which was given to man by the great ancient Egyptians/Kemetic Teacher of teachers Hermes Himself.

That's one of the reasons I believe Yorubas have their root in Kemet/Ancient Egypt.

But then traces of Hermeticism can be found in all spiritual teachings and religions of the world today.

macof:
What Egyptian Crown covers the Pharaoh's face?

You have more information on this crown?

Oh sorry, I just saw this.

I'd have to sift through my e-library to retrieve that. I'll cc you if I find what I was referring to.

FrLukas:
Well, we learn daily.

As per the Orishas.

There are minor Orishas and there is the main one who is called Orisha Nla. Which means the supreme deity.

It was in my study of Hermeticism and mysticism that I realized that Yoruba spirituality fits like a hand in glove.

You see, while Orisha Nla is the supreme Deity, it's quite different from Olodumare.

In some parlance, Orisha Nla would be regarded as equivalent to Mother Nature/The Universe and they'd be right. (In my opinion)

Smaller Orishas are the ones we venerate especially if they've lived a remarkable and magical life on earth before passing on. For example, Jesus the Christ is a powerful Orisha/god.

We too can be considered to be Orishas in potentiality. After all Oba Koso, popularly refered to today as Sango, god of fire, thunder and lightning was the third Alaafin of Oyo.

Of course not all Orishas become embodied in the flesh.

I'd also like to just chip in here that Orisha Nla is quite different and supremely inferior to The ABSOLUTE which I believe the Yorubas call OLODUMARE/ELEDUMARE. The Source and Originator of LIFE.

That's my understanding.

Of course, I'm still a student of esoteric knowledge and mysticism, and my ignorance may be excused should in case a Master or an Adept or even an Initiate is reading my feeble attempts here.

But I see a lot of meeting points between Yoruba spirituality and the first and most ancient of spiritual knowledge of man, Hermeticism, which was given to man by the great ancient Egyptians/Kemetic Teacher of teachers Hermes Himself.

That's one of the reasons I believe Yorubas have their root in Kemet/Ancient Egypt.

But then traces of Hermeticism can be found in all spiritual teachings and religions of the world today.

Well on the O risha/Orisas:

In classic Yoruba concept, all Yorubas are small orisha tnough some are deified because it is assumably based on the a activities of auch as an extraordinary being on earth. How do I mean?All Yoruba tradition on small orishas allows all descendants to do some form of sacrifices for one's late parents or grandparents or ancestors at one time or the other.

Hermetic knowledge:

Yoruba religion is based on Ifaodu, and this religion is not occultic in nature because, it is based on ancient form of atonement to communicate with their God. So, don't be misled by people who want to make the knowledge as a form of occultic. Both modern Christian and Islam are derived in Ifaodu.While Ifaodu is the older version.

For instance, Odu Ogunda specifically identified Ela as Creator of mankind, wisdom of Eledumare, spirit of God etc. In fact, Ela is the same as Iwa, the invisible Almighty God though with different names, purpose at every point in time,which we find across Yoruba in Odu(verses) in Ifaodu chapters.

In Odu Osu, Oba Ala is ..m.m suposed to be the creator but didnt due to drunkness,from the assumable foundation of creation of the world and mankind.This mighty powerful spiritual being is the one whose worshipers must not drink wine; In variably this is a Muslim version of creation.

Orisha Nla:

Though you have a point in this perspective but Mother nature ( ecosystem) being construe by a lot of people is a metaphor in Yoruba tradition and not in Ifaodu religion wbich has to do with worship or recognition of God because this identity is, Ela; creator of everything (Alimighty God) to ancient Yorubas, whom is the one that allows the ecosystem; vegetation and farms produce to be favourable in due season. So, it is not mother nature but God who is seek or prayed unto(venerated) to allow each season to be bountiful. Cosmology in Yoruba tradition is subjugated by the creator; Ela ro Iwa.

Shango:
This identity is not the actual lord of thunder or but b Ora ife (eleshe ina) . Figuratively, it is still an identity of Ela (God) . Although, Sango is seen as a great king in Oyo's history and largely in Yoruba worldview but not venerated by all Yorubas.

Kemet religion:

Tje religion of kemet doesn't exist in Ifaodu. The reason being tbaty none of these people had what is called Ela as creator of mankind and nature (earth). In Kemet, religion the creator is Horus,Ra ; man with horn head or a ram headman. This identity does not exist in Yoruba religion nor in belief.

The Yoruba look up and hold the belief that God dwells in a place farther than the sun. Unlike the Egyptians that created an Image to represent God. In fact, in many culture in tje ancient world,image were carved for the Creator of mankind. Yoruba ancestors didn't developed from Egypt because Ifaodu tradition didnt support it wth poetry, praise, panegyric of Yoruba ancestors. Besides , even at the glory of Egyptian foundational kings, ,which begun with Nubians, none wore kingly cap as Yorubas,except in .Near East . In doubt, google Egyptians crowns and compare with Near East crowns and Yorubas.

Lastly, you're right about tracese of hermetic in world's tradition but ifaodu is a stand alone knowledge of God jn Yoruba concept. Although occult practice do also exist in Yoruba land but we need make a difference.

kayfra:
This is an exercise in insanity

Some.of you guys need to be institutionalized

Directorate of the killer gang have spoken.

Your code is already intercepted. We'll find out the underground where you "institutionalises" your victims before hacking them to pieces and harvesting their organs for sales in the jungle.

Time is the revealer of all secrets.

You can run, you can hide, you can pretend as much as you can, but eefin niwa. Your evil will seek you out for the bargain you deserve for all your evil atrocities to the innocent.

please let stop all these lies,there is no connection With Yoruba and Israel or Mecca, we are indigenous people

Why can’t we just be proud of our indigenous religions and history and stop claiming we hail from so and so, we hail from ancient kemet, most west Africans do, not just yoruba also the fon, ewe, igbo, Akan, ashanti etc. All hail from Nubia, kemet

Abohboy:
Why can’t we just be proud of our indigenous religions and history and stop claiming we hail from so and so, we hail from ancient kemet, most west Africans do, not just yoruba also the fon, ewe, igbo, Akan, ashanti etc. All hail from Nubia, kemet

Thanks for this

It's called a research, I don't think I've condemned the Yoruba tradition or mocked any human or African culture. It's not the entire Yoruba making this post, it is me sharing my findings.

You can always make the thread for the proud indigenous stuff, this is the area I am proficient. I think we are free to exert our intellect in the area of personal interest to the benefit of knowledge.

As long as I don't hurt you or call you names, it's a civil intellectual discourse. If you have problems with my findings, investigate it and share your findings here or elsewhere.

Try not to tell me what my interest should be. I haven't dictated your interest to you. There are thousands of wonders in the universe, don't tell me to concentrate on all if I choose to concentrate on one.

2prexios:
Thanks for this

It's called a research, I don't think I've condemned the Yoruba tradition or mocked any human or African culture. It's not the entire Yoruba making this post, it is me sharing my findings.

You can always make the thread for the proud indigenous stuff, this is the area I am proficient. I think we are free to exert our intellect in the area of personal interest to the benefit of knowledge.

As long as I don't hurt you or call you names, it's a civil intellectual discourse. If you have problems with my findings, investigate it and share your findings here or elsewhere.

Try not to tell me what my interest should be. I haven't dictated your interest to you. There are thousands of wonders in the universe, don't tell me to concentrate on all if I choose to concentrate on one.

Compliment of the season. And thank you for this submission. I find all these people as ignorants because they have no knowledge over a subject matter and yet criticise ancient Yoruba writings...

Anyway, no knowledge of these are for commoners except royal bloodline. So dont be perturbed at such rants when you read them.This is the reason, I dont quote or reply any one of such,who claimed Yorubas are indegenous to West Africa,which archeology does not support Yoruba oral account as the set of breed that begun human race.

Interestingly, some even claimed Yorubas migrated from Niger Benue conflunce basin. A sham in the eyes of western world scholars because of evidence had shown Yoruba were not descendants of pygmy race or Bantu bloodline.

So, I mock people who bank on Professor Banji Akintoye's book which was written in 2010 when there are references which supported the fact that Yoruba people are migrants in 2012,2015 etc. Besides, Professor Banji Akintoye is anxiously awaiting anyone who can decode the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah which is written as ancient Hebraic language.




Cheers.

Yoruba had no connection with Israel or Hebrew, whatever you see as similarities between the two nation is pure coincidence,we have different physiology, ideology, and belief system, Hebrews are monotheist while yorubas are polytheist.

it is shameful when we try to attach ourselves falsely to the Semites, we Africans are ancient, in fact science confirmed this, we think by claiming Semitic origin we can be relevant, no we can not be relevant, it only makes the Semites to be more relevant while we become more irrelevant, let stop all these force attaches, I read that Igbo's are also claim Israel origin, and I was like really, but when I checked all the proof and evidence cited,it doesn't support their thesis,they are invalid and unscholarly.

Olu317:
Compliment of the season. And thank you for this submission. I find all these people as ignorants because they have no knowledge over a subject matter and yet criticise ancient Yoruba writings...

Anyway, no knowledge of these are for commoners except royal bloodline. So dont be perturbed at such rants when you read them.This is the reason, I dont quote or reply any one of such,who claimed Yorubas are indegenous to West Africa,which archeology does not support Yoruba oral account as the set of breed that begun human race.

Interestingly, some even claimed Yorubas migrated from Niger Benue conflunce basin. A sham in the eyes of western world scholars because of evidence had shown Yoruba were not descendants of pygmy race or Bantu bloodline.

So, I mock people who bank on Professor Banji Akintoye's book which was written in 2010 when there are references which supported the fact that Yoruba people are migrants in 2012,2015 etc. Besides, Professor Banji Akintoye is anxiously awaiting anyone who can decode the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah which is written as ancient Hebraic language.




Cheers.

Same here bro.

I must confess that there's something black about the black race. Read the post above and trace out the science. It's just an invocation of science without a handle on the application of science to scrutinize the subject matter.

They are either being hunted or hunting their kinds for gains. I believe you can relate. Here's where someone had paid for our lives for what we have uncovered. I've never come across a creature so full of hate and pure darkness.

He wants you and I dead to silence what we're talking about here. You are right about these people and really one should not be in their league, you will have great enemies either you do good or bad.

A thesis or antithesis will reveal the intelligence of their proposers. In the law of causality, effect don't come before a course. Radical findings will generate different reactions from different quarters.

Knowledge is blind to sentiments.

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Ideadoctor:
Yoruba had no connection with Israel or Hebrew, whatever you see as similarities between the two nation is pure coincidence,we have different physiology, ideology, and belief system, Hebrews are monotheist while yorubas are polytheist.

it is shameful when we try to attach ourselves falsely to the Semites, we Africans are ancient, in fact science confirmed this, we think by claiming Semitic origin we can be relevant, no we can not be relevant, it only makes the Semites to be more relevant while we become more irrelevant, let stop all these force attaches, I read that Igbo's are also claim Israel origin, and I was like really, but when I checked all the proof and evidence cited,it doesn't support their thesis,they are invalid and unscholarly.

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Trash of shit and piss...

2prexios:
Amin aleikun Salam,
waramotul lahi,
wabaraka tun.

Waidun: okan, one.
Odun: one lunar year.
Eid: Iyedun, Odun.
Odun a dun, koni kan.

Aatu Jo samodun ninu oro to po to lapere. Amin. The joy of the moment is evident in iyedun, meaning "to survive a year" we survived a lunar year today altogether and it's worth the rejoicing.

It's also a less ambiguous time to remember patriarch Abraham venerated today by the Muslims for his sacrificial offering that paved the way for the entrant of Divine blessings to all.

What best time there is to remember Yoruba founding fathers than this? We may have continued in destructive idolatry of human sacrifice, but with Abraham, we have another option.

Since Abraham was one of our heroes of faith, he's acknowledged in Yoruba historical tradition. We however ascribe to his name from the passage in the Otua (Torah), where his sacrifice vanished

Ebora: sacrifice vanished

It means we'll not have to continue to sacrifice like he did for all times under a terebinth tree of Mamre, Moreh. Then our Aboreh* can focus on worshipping God in spirit and in truth.

As to expect totality of knowledge from one quarter alone as some of our friends on the old thread did is an exercise in futility. Eventually, they're stuck in monotonous polemics.

People who can't stand on their own but play parasite needs their supposed "victims" to survive. So "ala nii foko ole han", according to the great Yoruba proverb.

Moreso, we can see from great pictures already shared that alluding to the Levant is not a syndrome of inferiority complex, rather the "ignorant masters" want us to abide by their "education" for us with temerity.

Yet that education is a clever way to keep our history in the ruins of the Vandals, so it never see the light of the day anymore. So we can stay where the inheritors of the world want us.

The descendants of Vandals will often continue in their vandalism, several imposters and insidious enemies will pretend as friends, but wisdom, knowledge and understanding will win.

*Aboreh, priest in Yoruba.

Abraham, Abram, Ebora:

Gen 15.

guy,you should stop this, there is no tie between Hebrews and negroes, I am proudly a negro,Semites claimers are lost

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Ideadoctor:
guy,you should stop this, there is no tie between Hebrews and negroes, I am proudly a negro,Semites claimers are lost

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AntiBalogunodua:
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more strength to the hands of these fool trolling me around,because you have been working hard,but getting less attention

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Ideadoctor:
more strength to the hands of these fool trolling me around,because you have been working hard,but getting less attention

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Ideadoctor:
guy,you should stop this, there is no tie between Hebrews and negroes, I am proudly a negro,Semites claimers are lost

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Olu317:
I disagree with such notion, with a lot of information that Yoruba language being classified as kwa is dubious because , there was a problem with yoruba language etc in West Africa, ought be classified,which led to this Kwa as name in 1950s, which has no meaning in Yoruba language. Documented information, has it that Yoruba language was once classified as Sudanic language.

The people who classified Yoruba language have no knowledge of the language's history, hence the language was classified as Kwa.Therefore Yoruba's language of ‘intimacy' are not understood by any member family of Niger Congo except properly Yoruba related ethnic group with knowledge of Ifaodu because the intimacy dialects are older than the koine dialect.
From research, Yoruba language is a teacher's language in West Africa as well as in North Africa, during the antiquity.This language is well coded in Ifaodu, which has absolute traditions that's parallel with Abrahamic religion: Such as:

1.Mass Twin birth

2.Washing of bride's feet before entry into her groom's home

3.Levirate marriage

4.Circumcision of a child on the eight day

5.Sacrifices such as burnt offering as being,animals slaughtering, divination , etc being practise in Yoruba religion were documented to be found in Mesoptamia

6.Errection of Ivory or monument to symbolise something as found in Ancient Near East are aldo found in Yoruba traditions

7.Crowns found in Yoruba land are same or parallel with Near East's Crowns, patterned with diadem,eyes,rosset, king Solomon knot, metal helmets, fezlike cap, etc

8.Loom found in Yoruba culture as found in Northern Africa

9.Ceramic ,Terracotta Art work of Yoruba as found in Near East.

10. Structure built in Yoruba land are closely related or same with North Africa etc.

Apart from the above information, you can read more on the unclear area of Yoruba's language historicity as being wrongly classified from a renown scholar, Professor Isaac Adejoju Ogunbiyi; Professor of Islamic studies . This professor shows and supported Al Ilori , that Semitic (Arabic) root words and Yoruba lexicon developed concurrently. Plainly, the Yoruba language developed outside Africa.

God...you should be hanged for this thrash...what kind of weed did you smoke that led you to spill this nonsense.

TheLionofLasigi:
God...you should be hanged for this thrash...what kind of weed did you smoke that led you to spill this nonsense.

I'm glad more people on all platforms are waking up to the menace of these wannabe Hebrew Israelites and their different sects. Semitic people have a good laugh at us
It is just mockery

TheLionofLasigi:
God...you should be hanged for this thrash...what kind of weed did you smoke that led you to spill this nonsense.

Apart from central Yoruba dialect , your clan's dialect and English language, Do have any knowledge on any semtic laguage ,be it Classic Hebrew or Arabic inscription ? ,,If not dont ever quote me again!.