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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:27pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
PORNeIlusHUBson: Thanks for schooling these fraudsters. Imagine a Yoruba compelling some dog shit and ascribing Edo to it and their fellow Yoruba are parroting it as the official Edo account. These is how they deceive themselves and unsuspecting Nigerians. Tao could just wake up one day, writes some historical bull shit, put Benin Edo name on it and start to reference it as an official Edo account. This is the reason I always demand an eyewitness historical accounts when debating them. They always run away from this demand because they have no history before 1824, everything before then are shrouded in myths. Imagine the dullard calling one version of oral history that have no eyewitness evidence fraud. Oduduwa story is oral history without evidence to back it and as such no one can vouch or claim any one version to be the authentic one, obviously these guys are not clever enough to know this. If Yoruba want to debate history, they should bring forth history that was documented by an eyewitness that was present when the historical events happened, not translation of what someone claimed he was told, alot of information can be added or lost in translation. Even various versions of the bible don't all always give the same account of an event mostly due to translation from their original Hebrew language to English. If the Yoruba say Ife or Oyo was great, then produce a historical accounts from a eyewitness that witnessed this greatness not what you wrote in 2010. I already provided eyewitness written accounts of the Alaafin stating in 1911 that his predecessors were paying tributes to Benin and that Alaafin in particular stated that he was waiting for his friend the Oba of Benin to send him army to help put down his rebellious neighbours. This is how history should look like not telling us that Ife traded in gold in the 13th century without eyewitness historical accounts of a visitor to Ife in the 13th century. Yoruba just make up stuffs as they go along. 2 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 2:29pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85: Its clear u don't even read at all... U just jump on the post and vomit like an imbe.cile Now... I already said in my previous post that ikeji orisha is obviously a Yoruba name and the reason it was included in the post was because the author was Yoruba... Now Benin don't even bear Ajayi or the along trash that u are posting here... Like I said b4 Goan Play with sand... This discussion is beyond ur mental capability... U have just been jumping from post to post and unable to construct a single point |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 2:32pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
samuk:Whenever your clownery is debunked, you run away for a day or two — only to return to repost the same debunked garbages on a new page in the hope of catching new preys who perhaps had missed your disgrace earlier. You are doing yourself because you’ve just reminded me to flood this page with your disgrace from prior pages. 1 — 2 — 3 go! 1 Like 1 Share
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by sesan85(m): 2:35pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
samuk: Another pea-brained slowpoke surfaces. Segun Toyin Dawodu is your fellow Edo man, lmao! He didn't even come up with those praise names. He's the founder of Edonation.net, the number one revisionist site where ahistorical junks are made up for the consumption of you nitwits. But how would you know Segun Toyin Dawodu was your fellow Edo man when you people have stolen Yoruba things/names to the brim, lol. Bunch of shameless people. Oya, is Olumide Akpata a Yoruba man or Edo? Lmao. 3 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 2:38pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
samuk: Their brains are obviously very slow and they have double standards. ... ... She'll only show u the good part of Yoruba but if u show them the bad part, u'll see how they vehemently opposed u... Anything that doesn't go.their way is fake to.them... What they do is trolling. Agreeing easily will kill.the fun |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 2:38pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85: Everyone can now see the Yoruba for the fraud they are. |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 2:39pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85: Quick question.. are there Yoruba speaking people in Edo or not? Put simply.. are there indigenous Yoruba in Edo or not... |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 2:40pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
samuk: That Guy is not bright.. he's obviously surprised that what he has been believing in is false... That's why he's vomiting insult everywhere to make it seem that his claims are true..... he's still in the denial stage...very soon he'll soon enter acceptance |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by sesan85(m): 2:44pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
TAO11:You know the funniest thing? This Segun Toyin Dawodu is even Edo, lol. He's the founder of Edonation, the number one nonsensical, revisionist site where ahistorical horseshits are fed to the gullible Edo youths. Another Edo revisionist is Ademola Iyi Eweka. Would they call him Yoruba too because his name is Ademola? In the bid of these monumental asshats to discredit the panegyrics of their own Oba, they're accusing Segun Toyin Dawodu (an Edocentric clown like them) of being a Yoruba man who came up with those praise names for their Oba, lmao. They don't even know who's Edo or not amongst them because many of them proudly bear Yoruba names. Let's laugh at these legendary dunderheads while they're around. They just owned themselves, lol. 3 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 2:45pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
ANNOUNCEMENT: This is to formally announce that PORNeIlusHUBson is one and the same person as Etinosa1234 So far, he has done his best to not disclose this equation.  My announcement here is to check to see if he would deny it or accept it.  Let’s find out what he’d choose in order to determine his motive with this alternative account. I may be about to make another rag. Cc: Obalufon, LegendHero, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85, Newton85, macof, DenreleDave, gomojam, SaintBeehot, reallest, ABULARdotCom, RedboneSmith, 6 Likes 3 Shares
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 2:49pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
Summary For Quick Referencing (1) “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ?? DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759 (2) No Relationship Between Ife and Benin Prior To The 1800s ?? DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798 OR https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726 (3) Binis Militarily Invaded, Conquered, Settled in Lagos, and then Installed an Edo Prince as The First King ?? DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783 (4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ?? DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655 (5) Benin Obtained TRIBUTES from OYo ?? DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413 (6) Benin Ruled Certain Eastern-Yoruba Kingdoms ?? DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96519494 Cheers! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 2:52pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85:The poor little boy we’re engaging knows all this. He knows the Segun Toyin Dawidu is his brother, he only needed to save face. The shame going on here is massive. If you were in his shoes, won’t you save face?? Lol. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 2:56pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85: Lol... I ask again, .. are there indigenous Yoruba communities in Edo that segun comes from? Samuk... Why this guy dey dodge simple question
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by sesan85(m): 2:57pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
TAO11:Lmao! These idiots are so annoying. See how these halfwits even thought the said Segun Toyin Dawodu (their fellow Edo man) came up with these Oba panegyrics in the first place? They even accused him of being a Yoruba, even though he's the founder of that stupid Edonation site o, lmao. Is it our fault that he bears Yoruba names like many of them? It's not easy to be patient with these idiots, honestly. You're trying. 3 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:00pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
REPOSTING! samuk:I’m still here @samuk. Moreover, it’s past 1:00 AM Nigerian time. Is there anything serious keeping you awake?? LMAO!Anyways, Ife does have gold dust (aka alluvial gold) as well as trade connection through the Sahara with the wider Middle-East according to your own very article which you obviously fail to read. All you have to do is read. Yes, I know the word “read” scares the soul out of you.  Moreover, Ife was mentioned by name by Ibn Battuta. He transcribed the local name “Ufe” [aka “Ife”] in Arabic rendition as “Yufi”. Exactly the same way the early Portuguese transcribed the local name “Ubini” [aka “Ibini”] as “Beny”. The only difference being that the Yorubas wouldn’t abandon their own pronunciation for a foreigner’s rendition. The Binis did exactly that. The Binis’ inferiority complex has clearly been around for some time. I learnt that your daddies call the Europeans “children of Gods”. Lol! I also learnt from Captain Crows memoirs of 1791 that whenever “they [the Binis] meet an EUrOpEaN they fall down on the right knee, clap their hands three times and exclaim ‘We reverence you!’“. ROTFLMAO! www.nairaland.com/attachments/12922809_8b00d2a7f3b04b889cf9dfc5390a22b2_jpeg_jpegc35922f6e3f24235d44f84278f7c2b27 Having said that, refer to the attachment below from (your own source) for a gentle reminder of how your own source, Sutton, wraps up and summarizes. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12917193_76c3e1e30741408794757b4e3c9229ae_jpeg_jpeg2e80fe98bff4db63b4a25e0a3490b446 Ibn Battuta, in addition to writing about Ife in west Africa (now I’m wondering if Zimbabwe is in West Africa), also [over]used Ife’s name for an entirely different polity down south. [s]Stop promoting fictitious Ife, Ife was a little unknown villages. The Ooni is still struggling to get proper recognition by the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu and Olugbo[/s]You mean fictitious bEnIn kIngDoM that wasn’t even worth considering by Ibn Battuta in the 1300s?? You mean how the Oba of Benin struggles till date to get any recognition from the Ogiame family which is based right inside Benin city. In sum, it’s modern time and everyone has the liberty to associate and dis-associate from whomsoever they please. What remains unchanging, however, is that the actual line from which the Olugbo claim to have originally descended (the Obatala line) accepts the supremacy of the Ooni till date. Moreover, the progenitor of the present ruling dynasty of Lagos Island (i.e. Ashipa) is recognized in the Lagos traditions as an Isheri chief of Ife royal descent through Olofin Ogunfunminire. Finally, the present Awujale’s ancestor remains frozen in both picture and writing till date where he consented to being one of the princes that went out originally from Ife. These are the facts that matter. Not the modern-day superficial permutations and combinations. Cc: balogunodua, Babtoundey, gomojam, Ideadoctor, Obalufon 7 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:04pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
REPOSTING! samuk:First of all, there is no such thing as “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” in Benin oral tradition. These are only present in Benin forged stories which were invented in the 1970s. I would clarify. Historians, for example, name these forged stories [of “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] as the Benin “deliberately unauthentic” stories. Do historians regard these stories as forgery simply because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed feeling that way? Obviously not.  These [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] stories are found to be forgeries for the simple reason that much earlier documented Benin tradition debunks these stories. For example, some eighty (80) years before these [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] stories were invented, Mr. Cyril Punch had documented the Benin tradition about Ekaladerhan. Mr Cyril Punch’s documentation of the tradition about Ekaladerhan around the year 1889 (and quoted in Roth 1903) shows categorically that Ekaladerhan has absolutely nothing to do with Ife. The beginning and ending of the Ekaladerhan episode from Mr Cyril Punch’s documentation as quoted in H. L. Roth, 1903, pp. 53-54. is as follows: Ekaladerhan fled Benin due to a grave scandal; he founded the kingdom of Ughoton; he ultimately reached a solemn mutual concession with Benin, namely that: His “independent sovereignty” is allowed at his new kingdom of Ughoton, but he was not return to Benin again. Following this documentation of the Benin episode of Ekaladerhan (which shows both his independent sovereignty at Ughoton and his truce with Benin); Chief Egharevba also grew up to independently collect the same tradition about Ekaladerhan some fifty (50) years after Punch. It took another 80+ years after Punch for some Bini ‘miscreants’ (Omoregie 1970, Edebiri 1970, Akenzua 1971, and Iyare 1973) to to attempt a reversal of the already documented Benin episode of Ekaladerhan. The first of these Bini ‘miscreants’ equates Ekaladerhan as one and the same person with Oranmiyan. However, those who followed his lead thought it was better to equate him with Oduduwa instead. Not minding their revisions’ external contradictions with Egharevba’s older documentation (and with Punch’s much older documentation); these Bini ‘miscreants’ couldn’t name a single informant of their strange claims, neither could they cite a source of information. Having exposed the forgery of the [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” stories; it is noteworthy to mention what the classical Benin oral tradition says about the person of Oduduwa himself prior to the 1970s Benin forgeries. The official Benin tradition collected by Chief Egharevba from Benin (particularly from Benin court) decades before the just debunked 1970s forgeries has it in summary as follows: Benin’s rulers, prior to the present dynasty, were known as the Ogiso. This earlier monarchy came to an end when its last ruler, Ogiso Owodo, was banished by the people for misrule and cruelty. His only heir to the throne, Ekaladerhan, who would have succeeded him had earlier fled a grave scandal to Ughoton where he lived and died having being under a solemn concession of never stepping foot in Benin again. The Binis then decided to set up a ‘republican form of government’ with a native commoner, Evian as the leader of the Binis. At his old age, Evian unilaterally named his son, ‘Ogiamien’ (aka. ‘Ogiamwen’) to be his successor as the Benin leader after him. The Benin elders reacted to Evian’s unilateral decision and abuse of power by dispatching an embassy to Ife in the Yoruba country asking the Ooni to send one of his sons to Benin because as Chief Egharevba puts it: “Things were getting from bad to worse and the people saw that there was need for a capable ruler.” The Bini elders called upon Ife for “a capable ruler” as their last argument in their struggle against Evian and Ogiamien et al., and as a return to the beginnings in which the Ogiso foundation itself was set by Ife. Oranmiyan was eventually sent from Ife accompanied by several courtiers. He had a son, Eweka, born to him by the daughter of the Onogie of Ego. He stayed only a few years but requested that his baby son be installed as oba in his stead whenever the boy becomes grown enough. It is further said in this received traditions that there was no serious resistance throughout his stay (and during his son’s reign up to the third reign) since the Ogiamie faction still held sway in the city, while he was based at Usama – the part of the city where his hosts (the Bini Elders) resided. It is received that real confrontation and resistance from the Ogiamien faction began during the fourth reign when Ewedo decided to move the seat of his government from Usama to the site of the present palace. The Ogiamien faction was said, in the received traditions, to be defeated in the course of this struggle and Ewedo was able to consolidate his hold on the city and hence the throne. Refer to: J. Uwadiae Egharevba, A Short History of Benin, 1968, pp. 1-10. This is an English edition of the earlier Edo publication released in 1934. Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them.LOL! First of all, as I have demonstrated above, the “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” stories are forgeries NOT for the incoherent and meaningless reason you’ve mentioned here. No! They are forgeries for a separate reason – a coherent and meaningful reason. They are forgeries because the documented accounts from Benin which predates them by 80+ years exposes them to be so. Benin rather dwells on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed.You mean that Benin would rather dwell on its absolute absence of contemporaneous textual evidence to substantiate the existence of your fathers & heroes such as: Eweka 1, Ewedo, Oguola, Ewuare 1, Ezoti, Olua, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua, Ehengbuda, and several others?? Wonderful!! All that Benin history have as evidence to prove the existence of these personages are the multiple oral traditions which name these persons and claim that they existed. There is zero contemporaneous textual evidence to substantiate their existence. Now, do you still insist on the laughably ignorant and meaningless claim that oral traditional accounts are nOtHiNg bUt mYtHs?? Or have you made up your mind to continue to rELiSh mYtHs aS hIsTorY?? Lol! Cc: Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85 8 Likes 5 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:08pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
REPOSTING! samuk:I’m not sure why you need the Yorubas to prove or disprove a claim made by your own daddies. Listen lad, it was your Bini daddies who insisted adamantly to the Europeans that they had connections with Ife, with the Ooni, and with the Yoruba country in general. It wasn’t the other way around. Moreover, nowhere have I ever read that the Yorubas forced your daddies at gun point to narrate such account. So, you may choose to throw your Obas under the bus as usual. I really don't care. Call them sell outs and insecure for all I care. It wasn’t the Yorubas forcing them is the point. Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationshipHELLO! I guess your confusion and insecurity hit an all-time high as you were typing this particular comment. Lagos was documented by the Portuguese in the late 1400s; the Ijebus around the same period; the Itsekiris around the same period; the Oyos in the 1700s by the Governor of the Cape-Coast Castle. I guess in your warped brain these Yoruba subgroups are Bini people. Moreover, Ife was documented by name in Ibn Battuta’s Travels in the 1300s at a period when Benin, as expected, cannot possibly be noticed. This remains an eternal source of irreversible despair for you. Swallow it. Having debunked that, I have repeatedly demonstrated the classical pre-1400 Ife-Benin Connection all over Nairaland with evidence from archaeology, literature, maps, and received traditional Benin accounts. And the strongest supposed counter-argument you’ve ever put forward is to simply repeat your claims in the hope that repetition leads to truth. No it doesn’t. This was a grand conspiracy against the Igbos because it gives the Yoruba history an illegitimate legitimacy above Igbo history.Igbos?? Lies have failed you, hence your attempt at trying your hand on “public discord” – perhaps that may sell. Loser! Well, no matter the quantum of emotional blackmail and public discord you attempt, the irreversible damage has already been done and the truth has been unveiled. Both the Igbos and the Yorubas have repeatedly testified to identifying your Obas for who they are – Yoruba men from Ife. Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria.Your comment here must be due to either of the following, or both: (A) You failed to receive the basic education required to recognize the significance of the word “returnee”. OR (B) You are perpetually but hurt that your Edo daddies and mommies who were sold by Ibadan raiders never regained their freedom. Moreover, returnees were resettled from the Americas back to their home regions -- specifically to the colonies of Sierra Leone and of Liberia. While many of them established their new homes in these colonies, a number of them decided to move back to their respective homelands in other parts of West Africa and Central Africa from where they had originally left. Having debunked your fiction, the following is a direct refutation of the 1808 date which you also wove into your fiction: Reference to the ethno-linguistic group of people called Yoruba appears in at least one of the early 1600s essays of the Timbuktu scholar, Ahmad Baba. The embedded screenshot below shows page 39 of the English translation of Ahmad Baba’s replies on slavery which he entitled “Mi‘rāj al-Su‘ūd”. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916030_35bd589040034203aa5d7d687c1da64a_jpeg_jpeg5d6dcb71a92c88b75b7bd3b5b6f4593f www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916031_bce6e5f2e3254df19e5858797b6be638_jpeg_jpega9555b89c3b33922d09a96bffaab55da This specific translation shown here is by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for the Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco – this is part of the ongoing program aimed at preserving his corpus of old Arabic manuscripts. The link below shows more pages of this particular translation of his old Arabic essay from the University of Alberta, Canada. http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist347/autumn%202012/additional%20readings/ahmad_baba.pdf Moreover, the embedded screenshot below shows the actual folio from where the translators have done their translation — showing the list of the ethno-linguistic groups, with Baba’s Arabic original of the name “Yoruba” particularly highlighted. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12924497_5f8c8fcd48c848d2b88df144cbb2812c_jpeg_jpegf6b00ae4ee5f6daa0c3a908bef599eb7 The link below goes to some more folios of this same manuscript where this particular folio is also present. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/The_Ladder_of_Ascent_in_Obtaining_the_Procurements_of_the_Sudan-_Ahmad_Baba_Answers_a_Moroccan’s_Questions_about_Slavery_WDL9661.pdf Cc: Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85 8 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:10pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
REPOSTING! samuk:This has been debunked in my foregoing comment. 2. Some of you here are parroting Ife as your new homes because you no longer know where you originally descended from in African because of the circumstance in which your ancestors found themselves in Nigeria amongst the south western people of Nigeria.I see flood of tears! Anyways, Ife is our shared cradle of Yoruba civilization -- because we are Yorubas. And in addition to being a Yoruba (Awori & Ijebu) whose cradle of civilization is Ife, my mother is a princess of Ile-Ife. Yes, I know the foregoing information would definitely move you to tears because you are not possibly born of royalty; and as such you’re are bonafide slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. Yes, “slave of the Oba” is the ‘proud’ title which every Bini man and woman must bear for being unrelated to the non-Bini Yoruba-Oba dynasty who rules over Benin Kingdom. 3. Most original people or owners of south western Nigeria don't subscribe to Ife or Ooni supremacy, this is still evidence today. After almost 100 years of the political creation of Ife as the cradle of Yoruba nation, …Oh wait! You’re still hung up on this your 100 yEaRs pOliTicAl cReAtiON after you quietly soaked in the disgrace only a couple of days ago?? LMAO , the Ooni and Ife is still struggling to gain any recognition from the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu, Olugbo, etc, the superiority of the last Ooni was never recognised by the AlaafinWhatever personal tussle these Obas have with specific occupant of the Ife throne rather than with the Ife throne itself is counter-discourse. It is clear from their respective ancestral histories, textual evidence and old photographs that the Ife throne is the origin and root of their respective thrones. What is incomparable is that within Benin City in itself right under you Oba's nose; the Ogimie family has refused till date to acknowledge the supremacy of your Oba. Moreover, the Enogie of Ologbo has also publicly undermined your Oba. Let’s not even talk about the Ijaws in Edo State. 4. If Ife was genuinely the cradle of Yoruba civilisation and not a concocted and fabricated lie, there wouldn't have been supremacy tussle amongst south west monarchs.You mean if Benin was truly paramount there would have been no questioning of its authority right under your Oba's nose within the same city from olden times?? Is this what you have in mind?? Lol! 5. The supremacy of the Benin monarch is not being questioned by any monarchy in the entire south south Nigeria because Benin is real while Ife is a fake political imitation.“Repeating my lies many, many times will eventually cause my gullible Benin people to believe me” ~ Samuk, 2020. Moreover, the Itsekiris and Ijaws within Edo state as well as the Ogiamie family under your Oba’s nose have all publicly undermined and ridiculed your Oba’s alleged hegemony. 6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife.FALSE! Regarding the part of Oba Akiolu’s interview (which the Binis have clung to as a source of hope, at the expense of his disclaimers); the statement here (on a closer and more careful consideration) does not actually say what it has been assumed all along to have said. The Oba’s specific statement in question at timestamp 5:00 of the official video (or timestamp 0:12 of the Binis edited video) says and I quote here as follows: “The first ‘Oba’ of Lagos is a male descendant of Oba of Benin”. To examine this statement closely and strictly as you would want us to, this specific statement does not necessarily refer to Ashipa as it has been assumed all along. It could plausibly be in respect of Ado his son. (1) It is not uncommon that both Ado and Ashipa are often equivocally at different times regarded as the first king — just as it is not uncommon with Oranmiyan and Eweka among the Binis. At an instant in the traditional narratives, Oranmiyan and Ashipa are each simply regarded as progenitor and not Oba. In the same breath, at other instants in the traditional narratives, each is both progenitor as well as Oba. (2) Furthermore, the phrase Oba Akiolu used, viz. “male descendant” actually has nothing to do with what we’ve assumed it to mean all along. The phrase is not the same thing as “patrilineal descendant”. “Male descendant” simply recognizes the child to be a descended son from an ancestor — the ancestor being a Benin Oba in this case. Nothing is said about the son’s mother or father. The descent from the Benin Oba could have been through his own mother or through his own father, in either case of which he is still a “male descendant” of the Benin Oba. In the light of this closer examination and scrutiny, it becomes obvious that Oba Akiolu’s reference in his own specific statement here is to Ado the son of both Ashipa (the Yoruba progenitor of the Eleko dynasty) and his Bini queen. Having exposed the foregoing, it now becomes more obvious why Oba Akiolu could have issued a disclaimer (at timestamp 5:45 of the official version of the interview — embedded below with Channels TV logo) declaring that Lagos does not belong to Benin Kingdom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno In order to hide this particular disclaimer issued by the Oba, the Binis went through the stress of downloading this original video from Channels TV's YouTube page and editing out the parts containing the disclaimer. They then proceeded to upload their edited version to a private YouTube account from where they’ve copied the YouTube link and pasted to Nairaland to further promote their business of deception. Lol. Notice the Channels TV logo on the official and original version from Channels TV YouTube page which I posted above. Compare that to the Rubik's cube logo on their own edited version (from their private account) as shown below. The Benin fraud didn’t begin today, and it’s probably not ending anytime soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o ———————— For references to the Lagos account, see the following: (1) Rev. J. B. Wood, Historical Notices of Lagos, West Africa, 1878. (2) Rev. J. B. Losi, History of Lagos, 1914. (3) and Sir Alan Burns, History of Nigeria, 1929. I have repeatedly posted a screenshot of the relevant page from Sir Alan Burns' work on the Lagos account which is said by Robert Smith to be based on the first two. 7. You will hardly see real Ife here on nairaland debating what they know to be lies. Only the wannabe without historical roots are here parroting Ife fabrications and lies.“Repeating my lies many, many times will eventually cause my gullible Benin people to believe me” ~ Samuk, 2020. 8. Yoruba can only try to sell theirs lies to those that don't know or have history. Benin itself is history others study and the average Benin person is very much at home with history and can't be intimidated and cowed by insults from nitwits without historical roots.“Repeating my lies many, many times will eventually cause my gullible Benin people to believe me” ~ Samuk, 2020. Cc: Obalufon, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85 5 Likes 5 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:18pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85:Kilode! You wan kill am? www.nairaland.com/attachments/12922809_8b00d2a7f3b04b889cf9dfc5390a22b2_jpeg_jpegc35922f6e3f24235d44f84278f7c2b27 Btw, don’t forget that he is one and the same person as Etinosa1234. In case you encounter any of his alternative monikers elsewhere. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 3:19pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
sesan85: Here's my question.. are there indigenous Yoruba communities in Edo that segun comes from? Now that u technically accept even tho u don't want to say it, are u then saying that when segun was writing the article that u are falsely tagging as the official praise, there is no probability for him to add the Yoruba words given the Fact that he could probably speak both Yoruba and Benin Now ... U contradict ur self a lot.. U, The Ekaladerhan story is a lie because it came from an Edo website Same u, the ikeji and the other stories are true because it came from the same website..m When will u be sure of ur self 2 Likes
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 3:24pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
The honest truth is that u are just deceiving ur self... Lemme just say this .. I don't have time to drag things with obviously jobless people who spend 20 hours on nairaland fighting Benin history Now the Edo site where u got ur pRaISe nAmeS from was compiled by a Yoruba man named Segun Toyin as u can see... It can be clearly said that out of his supposed love for the Oba decided to praise the Oba in his own language hence he added the ikeji orisha, ovbi Umogun Oza and others that clearly do not have a meaning or an entire different meaning other than the original ones... If it was an Igbo man that wrote this, he would have also added his own tongue to it Now as I have said before praise names are dynamic and unofficial... here are some videos where the Oba was praise and check if anyone of them have even up to 30% similarity with the so called Edo site that u tend to hold as the official praises of the oba... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEDPxi8EPvV0&ved=2ahUKEwjep7OMtvrtAhXNSBUIHZWGAdsQwqsBMAB6BAgBEAM&usg=AOvVaw3SKBK7fGiY2cFnYA9S85qk https://www.facebook.com/Gmoneykey/videos/626204984511335/?app=fbl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0Fxyfdllc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOh5UqcFgk https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1225908530887850&id=246224025522977 As u can see, I have posted 5 different videos of where the Oba was praised and each of them do not sound 100% similar... This thus trashes the claim of the Edo site praise name is the official one in the entire kingdom... Also the claim that because an edo site (obviously compiled by a Yoruba man) write abt the praise name, its the official one is baseless because the official website of the oba palace, kingdomofbenin.com never approved it by posting in theirs... Edo nation is not the official website of the Benin Palace and whatever they say is merely their opinion... I hope u'll be bright to understand this Anyone can open a website with 20,000 naira and claim they are for one tribe but as long as they are not approved by the relevant authorities, they are just saying their own personal opinion... There are a lot of Benin sites that claim to be for the Benin palace but as long as they are not recognised by the relevant authorities, they are just saying their opinion Now for example,if u think that the Ikeji orisha word that was written in the website was not caused by the fact that the writer was a Yoruba man, provide 2 videos like I did where the speaker used the word ikeji orisha ... Its obviously clear that the writer added his own Yoruba words because the meaning of ikeji orisha is second in command in English but the Benin will say Ukpogieva in their own language... This further establishes the claim that the writer of that post added his Yorubas words/sentiments into the article... Another example is the word Ovbi Umogun Oza.... First its wrong translation as Umogun refers to the royal family which includes the oba cousins, uncles, aunties and the likes. Another loophole is that the royal family doesn't hail from oza But believe me, u just swallowed the article gullibily and started vomiting nonsense on my mentions... Hope u know better now I can also give u another example of the error he made... This goes to show that author was not even well grounded in Benin language for him to make such errors I know u'll still mention me with the useless talk of how it's a Benin website or Yoruba bear Edo name and all that but I won't reply u because having disproved the authenticity of that authenticity, u are clearly dumb to reply me with such statements Etrusen Areafada2 Etinosa1234 Samuk Gregyboy Cc: Sesan85 this is for u... Besides why isn't there a written praise name for the Ooni of ife that should have been official like u are screaming abt the one of the Oba... And u have not been able to come up with a perfect rebuttal to the points I raised here 1 Like |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:28pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
Etinosa1234 is the your approach of admitting (or denying) that you are one and the same person as PORNEIlusHUBson ?? Please give a direct answer and let’s clearly identify the motive for your new alternative account. Cc: Ideadoctor, Babtoundey, balogunodua, gomojam, Obalufon. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 3:30pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
Now that he has been banned, he can carry his insults to his family members... I'm sure they'll enjoy their products
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:31pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
Etinosa1234 is the your approach/strategy of admitting (or denying) that you are one and the same person as PORNEIlusHUBson ?? Please give a direct answer and let’s clearly identify the motive for your new alternative account. ——————— PS: Until my first post which exposed the two accounts as belonging to the same person, you did your best to be absolutely quiet about your identity. In fact, you pretended (with your Etinosa account) to be uninterested in engaging me only to begin quoting me unceremoniously with the alternative account with. Make your formal stance plain. Will you continue to deny or will you now accept it? Cc: Ideadoctor, Babtoundey, balogunodua, gomojam, Obalufon. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 3:32pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
Thread don dry this one dey find my attention... Be like u want make them ban u too U kuku get like 20 accounts Samuk nor waste ur time jare.. this na new year ..haters go die of boredom
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 3:37pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
No hiding place for miscreants. On a mission to expose you all. 2 Likes 1 Share
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