Emusan:


Then Holy Spirit knows too



So how could this be if Holy Spirit knows the MIND of the person called Father, or can a person do something outside his/her own mind?

livingchrist:
The holy spirit is a person and that does not mean Jesus was lying.

The same Jesus also said that overcomers would be given a name which no one knows but only those who are given the names.

Going by your logic it means God will not also know the name.

Emusan:


Lying liar

Holy Spirit has mind, can speak, can hear, can be grieved.

What else that make something a person that Bible doesn't use for the Holy Spirit?

Only a liar and deluded person will say A THING not a person can KNOW THE MIND of God.

I don't know when NONLIVING THINGS developed the ability "TO KNOW", this can only come from the lying liar JWs.

Emusan:


Then Holy Spirit knows too



So how could this be if Holy Spirit knows the MIND of the person called Father, or can a person do something outside his/her own mind?

Emusan:

Like I do say, you people know the truth but because the influence of your father the Devil is so strong on you people, then the yoke is too heavy to take off but this yoke can only be taken off by Jesus Christ.
The "WHO" you used up there is only used for living things (especially for a person), you use "THAT" for nonliving things. That's different between WHO & THAT
If English is your problem then you can be pardoned.
Lastly, only a Deluded and lying liar person will say A THING or NON LIVING THINGS KNOW something especially what is within a person.
Only living things have the ability TO KNOW, I wonder how you people pass English.
It's like saying the chair in your sitting room knows your mind or the Air you breath in knows what you have in mind.
Just so pathetic for you people all because you just want to keep fighting for the 8 men rather than going with what God's word says.

Barristter07:

When it says would be given, Does that not tell you the Giver Is not part of the Nobody knows ? The Giver is bigger than those given names.


So when it says ONLY the Father, are you telling me someone else above the Father gave him that authority ?

livingchrist:
lol now you are blabbing, Oga, Jesus said only those given the name knows it, so it means Jesus was lying right?
Whether the giver is bigger or smaller is not the issue here but the fact that only they know the name given to them, it therefore means that God does not know, going by your logic.

You see yourself, shooting your own foot

Barristter07:
You are not smart. Jesus didn't said only the Father was Given the authority to know day and hour, the word " Given" removes the Giver from the expression.



Emphasis on " Given "
Who gave the name ?

Barristter07:


Jesus is correct because holy spirit is a thing , not a person. ONLY the Father , a person . Knows

Jesus would have been lying if holy spirit is a person, cos that makes two persons that know nullifying the word " only "

Barristter07:
Wait first, So you mean Jesus lied only the person called Father knows the day and hour when there is another person that knows ?

Two persons know but Jesus said one

Seriously, I mean seriously, Jesus is lying or what ?

This is one of the most silly rebuttals have heard.

" For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. " 1 Cor 2:11

God's spirit is not a person, just as Human Spirit in the same verse is not a person, yet can know a man's thoughts.

Like 23:46 was Jesus in heaven the day he died ? Human spirit is a thing . That's why we can't say Jesus himself went to heaven

Comprehend?

Janosky:


Romans 6:23 ,How can sin pays wages? Is sin an employer of labour?
Luke 7:35, How can wisdom have children?

Use your brain & RECEIVE SENSE

Janosky:
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself posting GIBBERISH
,* Luke 7:35, " Wisdom is proved righteous by it's children".
Na Which organ wisdom get to born children?
* Romans 6:23, sin pays wages, Bros , is sin an employer of labour ?
* Romans 7:11, "sin seduced me", sin na person?
1 Corinthians 15:55, death gives a sting , death has victory, na person?

According to your logic, sin , death , wisdom all na person
Bros, RECEIVE SENSE
Bros, Go and write your own Matthew 24:36.

Romans 11:34 Who has come to know Jehovah's mind?"
1 Corinthians 2:16, " we have the mind of Christ"
. .

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus use the pronoun "HER" for "wisdom" {Luke 7:35} whereas after considering what Solomon wrote about archangel Michael you guys claim "Jesus is the wisdom of God" {Proverbs 8:22-31}

yet Jesus is male not female o!

Sorry that i've been ignoring you and your post Sir!
Please present just a single gathering of people where Mr Holy Spirit is working out something benefitial so you won't have to continue agitating.

You angrily cancelled the points telling you what we should expect in the gathering where Mr Holy Spirit is working, i didn't mention the name of any group, but because you're aware that it's only amongst JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that such fine results could be found!
May you have PEACE!

Emusan:

Now we are the one WHO CLAIMED and not the scripture.
Didn't scripture say "Christ the WISDOM of God"?
To even think that your lying organization has used the same Proverbs 8 for Jesus many times.
Then Apostle Paul must be wrong to have written the above.
Ignoring me and my post? Who quoted me in the first place You won't stop following this your father The Devil in whom there is no truth.
The working of Holy Spirit in our gathering is that our populations are more than yours in less than 30years compare to your own of over 100years with just less than 9m
I will continue to cancel irrelevant post.
When you yourself openly said on this forum that NOT ALL JWS are truly JWS then one will wonder why the same deluded person will come and say "because you are aware that it's only amongst JWs that such fine results could be found"
You truly high on something.

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever does not believe in Jesus is doomed yet Judas Iscariot was found amongst his followers, does that nullified the fact that Jesus is the only way to salvation? NO!
The same is applicable here not all those following us are working out their salvation as they should but no single person outside the Organization can enter into the kingdom of our own God!

May you have PEACE!

Emusan:


Jesus didn't lie but you're the lying liar here for claiming Holy Spirit isn't a person because ONLY PERSON HAVE ABILITY "TO KNOW"

You can provide evidence of where THING develops the ability to know.

You can see the lying liar saying silly rebuttal yet can't provide where THING said to have ability to know.

Yes Human spirit is a person that's why Human spirit can KNOW just as the Holy Spirit is a person for Him to have MIND to know.

For Holy Spirit to KNOW means He is a person because ONLY A PERSON has that Ability.

Emusan:


But the Holy Spirit knows the MIND OF God.

"To Know" is only for person...

livingchrist:
Good, so the one who gives the name is excluded from the no one knows right?

Janosky:
[s]Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself posting GIBBERISH
,* Luke 7:35, " Wisdom is proved righteous by it's children".
Na Which organ wisdom get to born children?
* Romans 6:23, sin pays wages, Bros , is sin an employer of labour ?
* Romans 7:11, "sin seduced me", sin na person?
1 Corinthians 15:55, death gives a sting , death has victory, na person?

According to your logic, sin , death , wisdom all na person
Bros, RECEIVE SENSE
Bros, Go and write your own Matthew 24:36.

Romans 11:34 Who has come to know Jehovah's mind?"
1 Corinthians 2:16, " we have the mind of Christ" .[/s]

Emusan:
Still repeating the same nonsense all the the times.

1. Holy Spirit has MIND
2. Holy Spirit can be grieved
3. Holy Spirit has the ability of KNOWING
4. Holy Spirit can hear
5. Holy Spirit can Speak
6. Holy Spirit has emotions
7. Holy Spirit has a will

Can you provide A PERSON who doesn't have ALL THESE?

Yes ONLY A PERSON has MIND

and the scripture says The Holy Spirit has MIND.

what's your point Mr lying liar?

MaxInDHouse:
It's only persons that have names, JEHOVAH is the name of the Most High God {Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18} JESUS is the name of God's only begotten SON, but God's Holy Spirit is not a person rather it's God's active force so it doesn't have a personal name!

MuttleyLaff:
King David in Psalm 51:11, referred to it as "qodesh ruach" It is called a person, because as I earlier shared about its nature, it has combination of real human being characteristics and/or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.

An electric force, doesnt have real human being personalities so it isnt called a person. The force of a dam wall hasn't got any real human being personality so it isnt called a person. The Holy Spirit has real human being personalities hence why in that respect it is a person, lmso

L0g1C:
Does a non-personal force speak

MuttleyLaff:
Non-personal force may speak but not speak in conventional way(s)

Barristter07:

Yeah exactly
So did Matthew 24:36 said Father was given the ability to know ?

Common sense

Barristter07:


Human Spirit knows a man's thought and it's not a person.

Barristter07:
Listen and listen well, I gave you an example of a thing that knows a man's thought, human spirit . If human Spirit is a person , Jesus would have been in heaven the day he died , was he ? Luke 23:46

So a thing can be said to know. This doesn't count as persons

Only one person, The Father knows.

Emusan:

Human spirit is a person!
Can you provide the dictionary where A THING said to have ability TO KNOW?
And I'm waiting for the dictionary you see this.
Lying liar JWs.
And The Holy Spirit who is a person Knows.

MaxInDHouse:
[s]Aliko Dangote is a person so you can point to his investment and assets here and there, please where is Mr Holy Spirit working presently at least for everyone to know HE exists as a person?

Insults are welcome Sir! [/s]

livingchrist:
Now apply that same sense,

the Holy spirit knows the mind of God so he is exempted from mathew 24vv36.

Emusan:


Human spirit is a person!

Can you provide the dictionary where A THING said to have ability TO KNOW?
And I'm waiting for the dictionary you see this.

Lying liar JWs.

And The Holy Spirit who is a person Knows.

Barristter07:
Read about personification in the same Dictionary.

Luke 23:46 - Was Jesus in heaven the day he died?

Test your assertion that human Spirit is a person.

Then two persons know, Making Jesus a LIAR

Jesus said the only person that knows, is the Father.

“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. ONLY the Father knows. " NLT

Barristter07:


To apply the same sense, It means Someone GAVE the Father the ability to know, Is that the case ? I demand an answer.

Rev 2:17 the persons were GIVEN that name . which Exclude the Giver

" NIV: "Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I WILL ALSO GIVE that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it."

Was the Father given his own ability to Know ?

You are in trouble already




Making Jesus a Liar . Jesus didn't gave exception

Only the Father .

livingchrist:
If God is an exception for no one knows the name, therefore the holy Spirit is an exception to 'no one knows the day but only the father's simple anything other than that is self delusion and denial.

MaxInDHouse:
So how many persons knows?
1 God (Jesus' father) and
2~~~~~~~
How do you correlate that as Jesus said ONLY the father?