I have heard a lot of Muslims said Jesus, moses, Abraham, were Muslim.
How possible can one be a Muslim without quoting (Lahila da illalla mohammadu rasululla)

Did Jesus made this quote?

If i should knee down, bow my head to worship the Christian God, does that make me a Muslim?

Is it possible for me to start a religious movement now and claim my great grand fathers are members?

zoer:
I have heard a lot of Muslims said Jesus, moses, Abraham, were Muslim.
How possible can one be a Muslim without quoting (Lahila da illalla mohammadu rasululla)

Did Jesus made this quote?

If i should knee down, bow my head to worship the Christian God, does that make me a Muslim?

Is it possible for me to start a religious movement now and claim my great grand fathers are members?

First of all you need to know who a Muslim is...

Muslim means submitting to the will of God

Jesus and all other prophets before him also Muhammad submitted to the will of God hence they are muslims

Allah SWT said:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
(QS. Adh-Dhaariyat 51: Verse 56)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

The will of God is for us both human and jinn to worship him alone because he is one God...

We as Muslims do not pray to Jesus but to God alone which is the will of God.

Isaiah 43
10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

and Jesus himself was a submitter to the will of God hence a muslim..

Mathew 26

39 And going a little farther, He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying, My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire.

God(Allah) sent prophets that we should follow them so anyone who follows the true teaching of those prophets are muslims(submitter to the will of God) .

Either you follow Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham at their time as long you follow their true teachings then you are a muslim

Allah SWT said:

"Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, What will you worship after me? They said, We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 133)


Allah SWT said:

"Say, [O believers], We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 136)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Mark 12
28 Then one of the scribes came up and listened to them disputing with one another, and, noticing that Jesus answered them fitly and admirably, he asked Him, Which commandment is first and most important of all [[h]in its nature]?

29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

30 And you shall love the Lord your God [i]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [j]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [k]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [l]This is the first and principal commandment.(E)

There is no way you can follow Muhammad and not believe in Jesus, Moses, Abraham.. Because they are all prophet of Allah if you disbelieve in one then how do you believe in Allah..

La illaha illallah muhammad rosullullahi (s.a.w)

There is no god except Allah and Prophet Muhammad is his messenger.

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zoer:
I have heard a lot of Muslims said Jesus, moses, Abraham, were Muslim.
How possible can one be a Muslim without quoting (Lahila da illalla mohammadu rasululla)

Yes if u believe in Jesus true teaching then why won't you believe in Muhammad the only issue with Jews is they don't accept Jesus as messiah hence they wont accept Muhammad.
And as Muslims we believe the Gospel has been corrupted there might some truth there but truth has been mixed with falsehood...

As a Christian that you are do you think the jews who rejected Jesus as Messiah and God but follow Moses worship the same God with Christians...

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 62)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

zoer:
Did Jesus made this quote?

John 17
3And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

zoer:
If i should knee down, bow my head to worship the Christian God, does that make me a Muslim?

No except you worship the one God (Allah) and not Jesus[trinity God]

zoer:
Is it possible for me to start a religious movement now and claim my great grand fathers are members?

we as Muslims will not accept because Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet and no prophet will come after him..
Allah SWT said:

"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 40)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

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What is the message of the gospel that Jesus Christ brought that was lost....So no Muslim here can tell me?.....or you guys don't know but yet scream that the gospel is lost....who steal the gospel?

haekymbahdx:

Yes if u believe in Jesus true teaching then why won't you believe in Muhammad the only issue with Jews is they don't accept Jesus as messiah hence they wont accept Muhammad.

Did you believe in Allah that Jesus is your messiah?


(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

AYAH al-Imran 3:45

RightChannel:



Did you believe in Allah that Jesus is your messiah?


(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

AYAH al-Imran 3:45

Messiah is his name does not mean he is my saviour....

Isaiah 43
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

Someone bears Al ghafar (the forgiver) does not mean he will forgive my sin....

zoer:
What is the message of the gospel that Jesus Christ brought that was lost....So no Muslim here can tell me?.....or you guys don't know but yet scream that the gospel is lost....who steal the gospel?

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord


Did Jesus preach 3 in 1 or call himself Almighty God while alive?

Who was the first person to preach the gospel and who was it revealed to...

The authors of the gospel we have today were they disciples or eyewitness or inspired by holy spirit...

Did the disciples themselves wrote any of the Gospels?

haekymbahd:

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord

You're right the Lord our God is One, his name is Yahweh who is the father of our Jesus Christ.

It's not Allah, the idol of Quraysh

And if you read the same chapter further you will see Jesus telling that the second law is to love your neighbours as yourself. Did Allah or Muhammad ever teach you to love your neighbours as yourselve? No because they are Antichrist, their teachings are against the teaching of Christ and Yahweh

But you're yet to answer the question you were asked "When did the gospel get lost?"

Who was the first person to preach the gospel and who was it revealed to...


The authors of the gospel we have today were they disciples or eyewitness or inspired by holy spirit...

Did the disciples themselves wrote any of the Gospels?

Gospel means good news, the good news that Jesus preached and was recorded by his followers and compiled into a book just like the Quran actually means recite, and was compiled into a book after Muhammad died.

Muslims claim the gospel is lost but the authors of the Quran plagiarized the same gospel:

Luke 1:13-14:
But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth

Quran plagiarism:
"[He was told], O Zechariah, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be John. We have not assigned to any before [this] name."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 7)


Luke 1:18
And Zechariah said to the angel, “How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is advanced in years.”


Quran plagiarism:
"He said, My Lord, how will I have a boy when my wife has been barren and I have reached extreme old age?"
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse


Luke 1:22
And when he came out, he was unable to speak to them, and they realized that he had seen a vision in the temple. And he kept making signs to them and remained mute.

Quran plagiarism:
"So he came out to his people from the prayer chamber and signaled to them to exalt [Allah] in the morning and afternoon."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 11)

The books that were not lost and were preserved more than 500 years after Christ died and resurrected for Muhammad was was born around 570 A.D. to have seen the Jews and Christians is Mecca reading is the book you're now claiming is lost.

At what point did it get lost?


Even Sahih Bukhari Vol 1 Book 1 Hadith 3 narrated how Waraqa, Khadijah's cousin used to write from the Gospel in Hebrew language.
That's to tell you that the Gospel was very much available during the time of Muhammad and it was the same Waraqa that helped Muhammad to erroneously confirm that it was Gabriel that was revealing things to Muhammad

The gospel was lost yet it was available to Waraqa to copy from during the days of Muhammad, as Allah had wished him to?

"... Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write...."
-Sahih Bukhari 1:1:3


Here we are told that Waraqa, the man that erroneously pronounced Muhammad as a Prophet used to write from the Gospel as Allah wished him. So it tells you that the Gospel was available in the time of Muhammad and it was available in his localities and the fact that Allah endorsed Waraqa to copy from it, that means it was the original gospel or are you saying that your Allah endorsed a fake gospel to be copied by waraqa?

Another Sahih hadith told us that Waraqa used to recite the gospel in Arabic yet you lied to us that the gospel is only in Greeks. :

"Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly."
- Sahih Bukhari 4:55:605


As for the Quran, Muhammad didn't write it either, the first complete Quran was compiled 20years after Muhammad had died, and the other manuscripts were burnt. The current Quran is the handiwork of Ibn Mujahid

Read Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510 for the narration of how the Quran was written

advocatejare:

You're right the Lord our God is One, his name is Yahweh who is the father of our Jesus Christ.

It's not Allah, the idol of Quraysh

And if you read the same chapter further you will see Jesus telling that the second law is to love your neighbours as yourself. Did Allah or Muhammad ever teach you to love your neighbours as yourselve? No because they are Antichrist, their teachings are against the teaching of Christ and Yahweh

But you're yet to answer the question you were asked "When did the gospel get lost?"




Gospel means good news, the good news that Jesus preached and was recorded by his followers and compiled into a book just like the Quran actually means recite, and was compiled into a book after Muhammad died.

Muslims claim the gospel is lost but the authors of the Quran plagiarized the same gospel:

Luke 1:13-14:
But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth

Quran plagiarism:
"[He was told], O Zechariah, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be John. We have not assigned to any before [this] name."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 7)


Luke 1:18
And Zechariah said to the angel, “How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is advanced in years.”


Quran plagiarism:
"He said, My Lord, how will I have a boy when my wife has been barren and I have reached extreme old age?"
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse


Luke 1:22
And when he came out, he was unable to speak to them, and they realized that he had seen a vision in the temple. And he kept making signs to them and remained mute.

Quran plagiarism:
"So he came out to his people from the prayer chamber and signaled to them to exalt [Allah] in the morning and afternoon."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 11)

The books that were not lost and were preserved more than 500 years after Christ died and resurrected for Muhammad was was born around 570 A.D. to have seen the Jews and Christians is Mecca reading is the book you're now claiming is lost.

At what point did it get lost?


Even Sahih Bukhari Vol 1 Book 1 Hadith 3 narrated how Waraqa, Khadijah's cousin used to write from the Gospel in Hebrew language.
That's to tell you that the Gospel was very much available during the time of Muhammad and it was the same Waraqa that helped Muhammad to erroneously confirm that it was Gabriel that was revealing things to Muhammad

The gospel was lost yet it was available to Waraqa to copy from during the days of Muhammad, as Allah had wished him to?

"... Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write...."
-Sahih Bukhari 1:1:3


Here we are told that Waraqa, the man that erroneously pronounced Muhammad as a Prophet used to write from the Gospel as Allah wished him. So it tells you that the Gospel was available in the time of Muhammad and it was available in his localities and the fact that Allah endorsed Waraqa to copy from it, that means it was the original gospel or are you saying that your Allah endorsed a fake gospel to be copied by waraqa?

Another Sahih hadith told us that Waraqa used to recite the gospel in Arabic yet you lied to us that the gospel is only in Greeks. :

"Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly."
- Sahih Bukhari 4:55:605


As for the Quran, Muhammad didn't write it either, the first complete Quran was compiled 20years after Muhammad had died, and the other manuscripts were burnt. The current Quran is the handiwork of Ibn Mujahid

Read Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510 for the narration of how the Quran was written

More Anointing Fall On You Brotherly..

AntiChristian your food is ready

advocatejare:

You're right the Lord our God is One, his name is Yahweh who is the father of our Jesus Christ.

It's not Allah, the idol of Quraysh

And if you read the same chapter further you will see Jesus telling that the second law is to love your neighbours as yourself. Did Allah or Muhammad ever teach you to love your neighbours as yourselve? No because they are Antichrist, their teachings are against the teaching of Christ and Yahweh

But you're yet to answer the question you were asked "When did the gospel get lost?"




Gospel means good news, the good news that Jesus preached and was recorded by his followers and compiled into a book just like the Quran actually means recite, and was compiled into a book after Muhammad died.

Muslims claim the gospel is lost but the authors of the Quran plagiarized the same gospel:

Luke 1:13-14:
But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth

Quran plagiarism:
"[He was told], O Zechariah, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be John. We have not assigned to any before [this] name."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 7)


Luke 1:18
And Zechariah said to the angel, “How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is advanced in years.”


Quran plagiarism:
"He said, My Lord, how will I have a boy when my wife has been barren and I have reached extreme old age?"
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse


Luke 1:22
And when he came out, he was unable to speak to them, and they realized that he had seen a vision in the temple. And he kept making signs to them and remained mute.

Quran plagiarism:
"So he came out to his people from the prayer chamber and signaled to them to exalt [Allah] in the morning and afternoon."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 11)

The books that were not lost and were preserved more than 500 years after Christ died and resurrected for Muhammad was was born around 570 A.D. to have seen the Jews and Christians is Mecca reading is the book you're now claiming is lost.

At what point did it get lost?


Even Sahih Bukhari Vol 1 Book 1 Hadith 3 narrated how Waraqa, Khadijah's cousin used to write from the Gospel in Hebrew language.
That's to tell you that the Gospel was very much available during the time of Muhammad and it was the same Waraqa that helped Muhammad to erroneously confirm that it was Gabriel that was revealing things to Muhammad

The gospel was lost yet it was available to Waraqa to copy from during the days of Muhammad, as Allah had wished him to?

"... Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write...."
-Sahih Bukhari 1:1:3


Here we are told that Waraqa, the man that erroneously pronounced Muhammad as a Prophet used to write from the Gospel as Allah wished him. So it tells you that the Gospel was available in the time of Muhammad and it was available in his localities and the fact that Allah endorsed Waraqa to copy from it, that means it was the original gospel or are you saying that your Allah endorsed a fake gospel to be copied by waraqa?

Another Sahih hadith told us that Waraqa used to recite the gospel in Arabic yet you lied to us that the gospel is only in Greeks. :

"Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly."
- Sahih Bukhari 4:55:605


As for the Quran, Muhammad didn't write it either, the first complete Quran was compiled 20years after Muhammad had died, and the other manuscripts were burnt. The current Quran is the handiwork of Ibn Mujahid

Read Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510 for the narration of how the Quran was written

Now you said Allah is the idol of quraysh

My question is since Yahweh was revealed exclusively to Moses as name of God... What was the name Adam, Abraham, Noah and your forefathers call God...

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Not for once was Yahweh mentioned in the New Testament even by Jesus himself and the dubious Paul. Yet you claim you worship Yahwe are you a Jehovah witness... Rather you worship a Roman God called Jezeus.


What name did Abraham call God putting in consideration that Abraham father was an idol worshipper?

Exodus 6
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them


I think your father Abraham was the one who served the idol of quraysh...

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

What happened the gospel had been corrupted and truth had been mixed with falsehood... Some verse of the gospel book right that is why the Quran was sent to abolish falsehood and point to the truth

Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 71)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

haekymbahd:
Messiah is his name does not mean he is my saviour....

Isaiah 43
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

Someone bears Al ghafar (the forgiver) does not mean he will forgive my sin....

But this is what you said earlier

"Yes if u believe in Jesus true teaching then why won't you believe in Muhammad the only issue with Jews is they don't accept Jesus as messiah" ....

And I gave you a Quranic verse that you Muslims believe was Allah's says. I am asking you DID YOU BELIEVE in Allah on what he said in AYAH al-Imran 3:45 that Jesus is your MESSIAH?

I don't like story just answer YES or NO

RightChannel:


But this is what you said earlier

"Yes if u believe in Jesus true teaching then why won't you believe in Muhammad the only issue with Jews is they don't accept Jesus as messiah" ....

And I gave you a Quranic verse that you Muslims believe was Allah's says. I am asking you DID YOU BELIEVE in Allah on what he said in AYAH al-Imran 3:45 that Jesus is your MESSIAH?

I don't like story just answer YES or NO

(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

AYAH al-Imran 3:45

The verse is very clear his name is the messiah

Every prophet is the messiah at their time from Abraham to Muhammad whoever follows their true teachings will be saved.

Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah but accepted Moses is it not the God of Jesus that sent the Torah too

haekymbahd:
(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

AYAH al-Imran 3:45

The verse is very clear his name is the messiah

Every prophet is the messiah at their time from Abraham to Muhammad whoever follows their true teachings will be saved.

Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah but accepted Moses is it not the God of Jesus that sent the Torah too

But what you said here are you refering to MESSIAH as a name or saviour?

"Yes if u believe in Jesus true teaching then why won't you believe in Muhammad the only issue with Jews is they don't accept Jesus as messiah" ....

Did you mean Jews don't accept Jesus as a Name (Messiah)??

RightChannel:


But what you said here are you refering to MESSIAH as a name or saviour?

"Yes if u believe in Jesus true teaching then why won't you believe in Muhammad the only issue with Jews is they don't accept Jesus as messiah" ....

Did you mean Jews don't accept Jesus as a Name (Messiah)??

they don't accept him as a prophet while we accept him as one in islam

haekymbahd:
they don't accept him as a prophet while we accept him as one in islam

Are you saying messiah means a prophet? Or what's the meaning of Messiah

RightChannel:


Are you saying messiah means a prophet? Or what's the meaning of Messiah

Messiah is the name of Jesus.

They Jews were expecting a messiah and the character of Jesus did not fit in to what they expect because they discovered Jesus being messiah was just a name they wanted more from him.

But Jesus was a prophet and messenger of God so they rejected him...

According to the Quran says if Jews uphold the law of Torah revealed to Moses they will be saved..
If Christians follow the Gospel revealed to Jesus they will be saved..
If Muslims follow the Quran revealed to Muhammad they will be saved..

Which means each of them is literally a saviour coincidentally the name of Jesus is Messiah

haekymbahd:
Now you said Allah is the idol of quraysh

Even you Muslims know this as the truth.

Actually Christians are NOT the ones who refer to Allah as an idol, it's Muslims themselves.

Every Islamic sources accept that Mohammed's grandfather Abd-Muttalib was a pagan, an idol worshipper. In fact scholars are of the opinion that because Abd-Muttalib was an idol worshipper, Muslims should not give his name to their children.

What is the name of the idol Abd-Muttalib worshipped? The idol was Hubal/Allah/Baal which is a moon god and whose logo was crescent moon and star the same logo Islam use today on the mosques and on the flags of Islamic nation

To prove his loyalty to his idol, Abd-Muttalib named one of his children after Allah, Abd-Allah(Abdallah) who Islamic source say is the father of Mohammed.

Mohammed simply continued the family business and religion and retained all the pagan practices of the worship of Allah and made only slight modifications to some like women doing tawaf naked(the modification was actually done by Abu Bakr and Mohammed didn't object)

And Baal/Allah/Hubal is a god of sexual immorality that is why he has promised his followers a brothel-like paradise in which sex will be the order of the day and also promised to make "young boys made eternal " available for those interested in boys.

"There will circulate among them young boys made eternal"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 17)


"Say, Shall I inform you of [something] better than that? For those who fear Allah will be gardens in the presence of their Lord beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and purified spouses and approval from Allah. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants -"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 15)


"And [for them are] fair women with large, [beautiful] eyes,"
(QS. Al-Waaqia 56: Verse 22)

Even today, all sorts of sexual harassments take place at Islamic 'holiest' site the house of Allah in which for years women are sexually harassed and some of them have started speaking out with hashtag #MosqueMeToo

""It is during the tawaf that many women experience groping, handling and grabbing, says Eltahawy, according to the responses she's heard from women. "It's very crowded. At any given moment, there are thousands of men and women [circling Kaaba at one time].""
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/26/588855132/-mosquemetoo-gives-muslim-women-a-voice-about-sexual-misconduct-at-mecca?t=1589006156833

My question is since Yahweh was revealed exclusively to Moses as name of God... What was the name Adam, Abraham, Noah and your forefathers call God...

If you read the Hebrew Bible, Genesis 15:2, you would realize that Abraham called God Yahweh

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

Abraham of the Bible served Yahwehיֱהוִה֙: (Genesis 15:2, it's the quranic Abraham that was an idolater that bowed down to the moon and the sun like you Muslims are doing today:

Let's see how the Islamic fictional Abraham worshipped his Lords

"And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 75)




"So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, This is my lord. But when it set, he said, I like not those that disappear."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 76)


"And when he saw the, moon rising, he said, This is my lord. But when it set, he said, Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 77)

"And when he saw the sun rising, he said, This is my lord; this is greater. But when it set, he said, O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 78)

Mohammed followed the footsteps of the Islamic Abraham who was a moon, sun and star worshipper, and Muslims are following Mohammed's footsteps that's why their lords are at the top of their mosques

ANTIlSLAM:


More Anointing Fall On You Brotherly..

AntiChristian your food is ready

Amen. Thanks brother

Antichristian can't come here now, he can't lie against facts

advocatejare:

If you Muslims know this as the truth.

Actually Christians are NOT the ones who refer to Allah as an idol, it's Muslims themselves.

Every Islamic sources accept that Mohammed's grandfather Abd-Muttalib was a pagan, an idol worshipper. In fact scholars are of the opinion that because Abd-Muttalib was an idol worshipper, Muslims should not give his name to their children.

What is the name of the idol Abd-Muttalib worshipped? The idol was Hubal/Allah/Baal which is a moon god and whose logo was crescent moon and star the same logo Islam use today on the mosques and on the flags of Islamic nation

To prove his loyalty to his idol, Abd-Muttalib named one of his children after Allah, Abd-Allah(Abdallah) who Islamic source say is the father of Mohammed.

Mohammed simply continued the family business and religion and retained all the pagan practices of the worship of Allah and made only slight modifications to some like women doing tawaf naked(the modification was actually done by Abu Bakr and Mohammed didn't object)

And Baal/Allah/Hubal is a god of sexual immorality that is why he has promised his followers a brothel-like paradise in which sex will be the order of the day and also promised to make "young boys made eternal " available for those interested in boys.



Even today, all sorts of sexual harassments take place at Islamic 'holiest' site the house of Allah in which for years women are sexually harassed and some of them have started speaking out with hashtag #MosqueMeToo

""It is during the tawaf that many women experience groping, handling and grabbing, says Eltahawy, according to the responses she's heard from women. "It's very crowded. At any given moment, there are thousands of men and women [circling Kaaba at one time].""
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/26/588855132/-mosquemetoo-gives-muslim-women-a-voice-about-sexual-misconduct-at-mecca?t=1589006156833


If you read the Hebrew Bible, Genesis 15:2, you would realize that Abraham called God Yahweh


Abraham of the Bible served Yahwehיֱהוִה֙: (Genesis 15:2, it's the quranic Abraham that was an idolater that bowed down to the moon and the sun like you Muslims are doing today:

Let's see how the Islamic fictional Abraham worshipped his Lords

"And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 75)




"So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, This is my lord. But when it set, he said, I like not those that disappear."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 76)


"And when he saw the, moon rising, he said, This is my lord. But when it set, he said, Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 77)

"And when he saw the sun rising, he said, This is my lord; this is greater. But when it set, he said, O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 78)

Mohammed followed the footsteps of the Islamic Abraham who was a moon, sun and star worshipper, and Muslims are following Mohammed's footsteps that's why their lords are at the top of their mosques

Lol your God said Abraham does not know him as Yahweh are you more knowing or your God

Exodus 6
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them


Hope you know Lord means "Master" and Yahweh means "I am that I am".....

Abraham calling God "lord" meant master...

What was the religion of Abraham before God called him?

What was the name of his idol god?

What name did Abraham know God has?

haekymbahd:
Lol your God said Abraham does not know him as Yahweh are you more knowing or your God

Exodus 6
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them

Yahweh didn't specifically tell Abraham that his name was Yahweh like the way he told Moses but Yahweh made himself known to Abraham, spoke to him and in the process Abraham knew who he was.

Just like Jesus didn't intially tell his disciples whom he was but Peter knew

Matt.16.13 - When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
Matt.16.14 - They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
Matt.16.15 - "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
Matt.16.16 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matt.16.17 - Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

You may not understand because the Muhammad you're following as your guide was never found worthy of being spoken to or revealed to by Allah his god, muhammad was only sent a jinn so your lack of understanding of how God reveals himself to his beloved is understandable

Hope you know Lord means "Master" and Yahweh means "I am that I am".....

Abraham calling God "lord" meant master...

The Hebrew word translated as Lord in that verse is Adonai while the Hebrew word translated as God is Yahweh

What was the religion of Abraham before God called him?

What was the name of his idol god?

What name did Abraham know God has?

I will answer you but answer my questions too.

At what point did the gospel get lost

What is the name of the idol that Abdulmuttalib the served

Who did Abdulmuttalib sacrifice 100 camels to to ransom the life of Abdullah

Muhammad was said to have become a prophet at the age of 40 and the Quran said Muhammad was lost. Which god was muhammad serving for the first 40 years of his life and why did the Quran says that Muhammad was lost before he was later guided?

Answer all these and I'll answer your questions too

advocatejare:

Yahweh didn't specifically tell Abraham that his name was Yahweh like the way he told Moses but Yahweh made himself known to Abraham, spoke to him and in the process Abraham knew who he was.

Just like Jesus didn't intially tell his disciples whom he was but Peter knew

Matt.16.13 - When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
Matt.16.14 - They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
Matt.16.15 - "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
Matt.16.16 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matt.16.17 - Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

You may not understand because the Muhammad you're following as your guide was never found worthy of being spoken to or revealed to by Allah his god, muhammad was only sent a jinn so your lack of understanding of how God reveals himself to his beloved is understandable



The Hebrew word translated as Lord in that verse is Adonai while the Hebrew word translated as God is Yahweh



I will answer you but answer my questions too.

At what point did the gospel get lost

What is the name of the idol that Abdulmuttalib the served

Who did Abdulmuttalib sacrifice 100 camels to to ransom the life of Abdullah

Muhammad was said to have become a prophet at the age of 40 and the Quran said Muhammad was lost. Which god was muhammad serving for the first 40 years of his life and why did the Quran says that Muhammad was lost before he was later guided?

Answer all these and I'll answer your questions too

Exodus 6
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty but by My name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them


Since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob know God as "God Almighty" can you please translate the it in Arabic

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Did Abraham know God as Jesus?

Translate God Almighty in Arabic?


You said Lord was translated to Adonai in Hebrew and God as "Yahwe" ..When Abraham never knew about Yahweh that is to show you also that the Bible has been corrupted..

haekymbahd:
Exodus 6
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty but by My name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them


Since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob know God as "God Almighty" can you please translate the it in Arabic

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Did Abraham know God as Jesus?

Translate God Almighty in Arabic?

I will answer you but answer my questions too.

At what point did the gospel get lost

What is the name of the idol that Abdulmuttalib the served

Who did Abdulmuttalib sacrifice 100 camels to to ransom the life of Abdullah

Muhammad was said to have become a prophet at the age of 40 and the Quran said Muhammad was lost. Which god was muhammad serving for the first 40 years of his life and why did the Quran says that Muhammad was lost before he was later guided?

Answer all these and I'll answer your questions too

You said Lord was translated to Adonai in Hebrew and God as "Yahwe" ..When Abraham never knew about Yahweh that is to show you also that the Bible has been corrupted..

The Quran is the one that was corrupted and the evidence was burnt by Uthman.

The original Quran was written on bones, stones, leaves and Uthman and Zaid burnt them, today there is no original Quran. There were not diacritical marks during the days of Muhammad and during the days of Uthman the author and editor of the present day Quran

As at 652 A.D. when Uthman compiled, standardized and burnt the original manuscripts of the Quran, were there diacritical marks in Arabic language?

Diacritical marks only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran. (This is verifiable fact)

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:

Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received.



If you ask a Muslim to bring a Quran he will bring out one of the 25 versions of the Quran

That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Usman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, Ibn Mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today.

After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation.

The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran.

But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted.

The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn Mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, Ibn Mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; Ibn Kathir; Ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.

In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today.

Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely. Go and learn my friend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU



Why do we have Shia and Sunni Muslims today, it's because they both differed on the authenticity of the Quran and today Shia and Sunni Muslims are sworn enemies, Nigerian Sunnis are killing Nigerians Shia led by elzakyzaky.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are sworn enemies.

What was the cause of their fight? Authenticity of the Quran.

haekymbahd:
Messiah is the name of Jesus.

They Jews were expecting a messiah and the character of Jesus did not fit in to what they expect because they discovered Jesus being messiah was just a name they wanted more from him.

But Jesus was a prophet and messenger of God so they rejected him...

According to the Quran says if Jews uphold the law of Torah revealed to Moses they will be saved..
If Christians follow the Gospel revealed to Jesus they will be saved..
If Muslims follow the Quran revealed to Muhammad they will be saved..

Which means each of them is literally a saviour coincidentally the name of Jesus is Messiah

You haven't answer my question, WHAT IS THE MEANING OF MESSIAH? Just Go straight to the point

RightChannel:


You haven't answer my question, WHAT IS THE MEANING OF MESSIAH? Just Go straight to the point

The saviour

haekymbahd:
The saviour

Good of you, shall we continue?

RightChannel:


Good of you, shall we continue?

continue

advocatejare:


I will answer you but answer my questions too.

At what point did the gospel get lost

What is the name of the idol that Abdulmuttalib the served

Who did Abdulmuttalib sacrifice 100 camels to to ransom the life of Abdullah

Muhammad was said to have become a prophet at the age of 40 and the Quran said Muhammad was lost. Which god was muhammad serving for the first 40 years of his life and why did the Quran says that Muhammad was lost before he was later guided?

Answer all these and I'll answer your questions too



The Quran is the one that was corrupted and the evidence was burnt by Uthman.

The original Quran was written on bones, stones, leaves and Uthman and Zaid burnt them, today there is no original Quran. There were not diacritical marks during the days of Muhammad and during the days of Uthman the author and editor of the present day Quran

As at 652 A.D. when Uthman compiled, standardized and burnt the original manuscripts of the Quran, were there diacritical marks in Arabic language?

Diacritical marks only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran. (This is verifiable fact)

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:

Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received.



If you ask a Muslim to bring a Quran he will bring out one of the 25 versions of the Quran

That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Usman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, Ibn Mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today.

After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation.

The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran.

But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted.

The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn Mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, Ibn Mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; Ibn Kathir; Ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.

In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today.

Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely. Go and learn my friend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU



Why do we have Shia and Sunni Muslims today, it's because they both differed on the authenticity of the Quran and today Shia and Sunni Muslims are sworn enemies, Nigerian Sunnis are killing Nigerians Shia led by elzakyzaky.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are sworn enemies.

What was the cause of their fight? Authenticity of the Quran.

i only have issues with people liking your post it is obvious they are Christians...

They won't like my post where I proved that gospel was corrupt and that Abraham didn't know God as Yahweh and Bible was corrupted

I don't have to reply you on the authenticity of the Quran because this is a frequently asked question here which had been answered by my fellow Muslim brother empiree..

For those liking your post ignorantly I refer you all to this thread and if you not satisfied ask questions on the thread...
https://www.nairaland.com/5916095/yasir-quadhi-problems-preservation-quran


Exodus 6
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty but by My name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them

It is clear Almighty Allah is the God of Abraham Father of many nation...

If Jesus is your God then you don't worship the God of Abraham Abraham does not recognize Yahweh not to talk of Jesus...

Allah SWT said:

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

"Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, Are you more knowing or is Allah? And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 140)


* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


But mind you
Allah clearly distinguish himself from Baal

Allah SWT said:

"Do you call on Baal — this was the name of an idol of theirs which was made of gold, from which the name of their city derives, with the addition of [the suffix] bak — that is to say, do you worship him, and abandon the Best of Creators, and not worship Him,"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 125)

"Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 126)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


And who authorized the use of cross for deliverance for Christians because I know it is not Jesus.. Have you not been told not to make graven image or worship it...

The crescent moon is just a symbol in Islam while the cross is a diety on its own in Christianity and you people say you don't worship idol...

In fact I see Christians wear it on their neck as necklace for protection..

haekymbahd:
The saviour

Are you now in agreement with Allah that Jesus is your saviour since the meaning of messiah is Saviour as you said?


(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah (Saviour), Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

RightChannel:


Are you now in agreement with Allah that Jesus is your saviour since the meaning of messiah is Saviour as you said?


(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah (Saviour), Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

Lol.. Can't you read that his name is messiah nothing more....

Only God is the saviour intact not only Jesus did Allah gave name even prophet muhammad

Isaiah 43
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.
Allah SWT said:

"And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad. But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, This is obvious magic."
(QS. As-Saff 61: Verse 6)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Ahmad means praise worthy and Messiah means saviour does that make Muhammad God or Jesus God...

It is Just name nothing more....

My neighbor bears Emmanuel (God with us) does that mean he is God in flesh...


On a more serious note all prophets were sent to save their people from sin and direct them to worship the truth God alone that's why laws were given so Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad are all saviours of their nation from sin.

Allah SWT said:

"Say, [O believers], We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 136)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com