soulpeppersoup:


Churches don't pay tax in Europe stop talking rubbish.

Besides every country has its rules. Do churches made the rules?

Some of you are too dumb.

Lol.

He said US. I don't know where you got Europe from?

Akwamkpuruamu:


A man of God should be poor while a man of Satan should be rich. Hope its ok

like,there is nothing like materially satisfied?
Must it be rich or poor?
A house,a car isn't okay?

The money for the fleet of air vehicles can reduce poverty from millions of homes,shey you know?

Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.

Sadly, it is just what it is

Tareq1105:


All I see in 1 - 17 is ignorance, which I feel should be ignored. Ignorance is indeed a disease.

If there are things you don't understand about the church, you ask instead of running your mouth.

see me see trouble oooo... wahala be like bicycle... nah jeje me dey my own oooo...

soulpeppersoup:


Did you hear about the primary school that cost over 4 million at lekki? Was it Oyedepo that has it?

Did you make comments about the school?

Was the school a higher institution?

Oga go take your drug and stop follow follow things. Be different

No matter how your see it...

These so-called men of God are a huge problem to Nigeria.

So, because a school in Lekki charges N4million, church owned institutions should charge same or above?

What is the essence of setting up a school when more than 99% of your members can't afford to send their children / wards there?

Abi nor be church money dem take build the schools?

All they know how to do is, mount their pulpits and say all sorts of nonsense about persons in leadership.

ibedun:


Yaba left, go and get your healing

Healing from what? Are u presently getting ur healing from there? Meanwhile, how is d general public d same thing as govt?

CoolAmbience:



No matter how your see it...

These so-called men of God are a huge problem to Nigeria.

So, because a school in Lekki charges N4million, church owned institutions should charge same or above?

What is the essence of setting up a school when more than 99% of your members can't afford to send their children / wards there?

Abi nor be church money dem take build the schools?

All they know how to do is, mount their pulpits and say all sorts of nonsense about persons in leadership.

how are these men of God a huge problem to Nigeria?

beges:

So this is your definition of the church...Hmmmmm

No it isn’t. I only outlined the church’s position in relation to the money/contribution money it collects.

specialmati:
you are ignorant a call to serve who and who enriches at expense of the poor followers.let me tell you no one that serves God should be poor.if people that serve satan are blessed by satan talkless of people that serve God.if pastors are rich and the something they pepper you for body as a satan pikin reject satan and join the workforce of God to be wealthy.i repeat no pastor should be poor,if any pastor is poor that person is not call by God read all the verses in the bible everyone of them that served God was never poor.i dont even get the point most of you mofos make sometimes the God that call those pastors is a wealthy God so while will the pastors be poor.just imagine if buhari just call you to serve under this his government no matter the level of poverty you are wallowing now you can never be poor again.so use that medium to think of God calling pastors they cant be poor knowing that the God that called them is wealthy.so think and stop getting bad that pastors are rich.

I hope they will hear o.

If you're truly called by God, God will not call you to become a beggar. The God that call you will supply aaaallllllllll your needs according to His riches in glory.

Children of perdition will never get it into their skull.

Jeffyblaq:
I see folks fighting for and attacking oyedepo...

Disregarding the message said...

As for you guys saying that he's not meant to build factories... You should hav a rethink cos, that's how wealth should be evenly distributed..

A quick one, how many persons can afford the so called fees from dat school?

This country is just DO AS YOU LIKE.

Not all schools are built to be affordable. Some have to be built to fill the void created by others. If I decide to set up a school for microbiology and decide each student must have unhindered access to their own electron microscope that costs, let us say, N10m, then the cost of that microscope should reflect in their school fess over 4 years as extra N2.5m every year. A person looking at this school from a certificate earning perspective may find the fee outrageous because there are cheaper alternatives or schools around. It depends on the vision of the founder of the school as per standard.

Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.

In a country where terror, jihad ruins you want Christianity to shut up, stop being rich to resist challenge by non Christians and government? Looking at Kaduna, Benue, Yola crisis.

The church must be rich to resist being overrun. If you don't like it join another religion.
They will not back down, weaken by those who trying hard to see them fall both foreign and locals.
We understand church is run by man cannot say to be perfect despite the members shortcomings, Evaluate self, church still a merited place to be.

ibedun:


Brush up your poor communication skills. Next time please say “that is incorrect” or “that is not true”.

Don’t call people a liar unless you know them and they have lied to you.

Ok, my question is what is untrue about the statement I made?

Mr man Englishman who knows grammars, critic with fact not emotions. And yes I stand by word because you lied

Tareq1105:



I hope they will hear o.

If you're truly called by God, God will not call you to become a beggar. The God that call you will supply aaaallllllllll your needs according to His riches in glory.

Children of perdition will never get it into their skull.

waooh this is nice bro.if people called by God are not rich then i dont know who should be rich then.Gods children are not meant to be poor because their God are super wealthy He owns everything.but some satan minded evil being think Gods children should be poor and people that serve satan rich. God have disappointed them.

ibedun:


The church is a registered social entity and it solicits funds from its congregation, who are public citizens of Nigeria. Voluntary or involuntary, any contribution made to the church belongs to the members of the church, NEVER the church. And since each member cannot reclaim that money individually the church management are holding funds and assets in trust as trustees for the general public (the GOVERNMENT!).

I know this concepts are too hard for the average Nigerian (corrupt and stupid).

You are just typing nonsense. If I trust a pastor with my money towards God. The money doesn't fall under the control of the govt in anyway. If I feel my money is being used against my understanding, I can withdraw from that church anyday anytime.

edoairways:

Mr man Englishman who knows grammars, critic with fact not emotions. And yes I stand by word because you lied

Tell us the “lie” please

What did your father build or did you not have a father....

Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

Standing5:



You are just typing nonsense. If I trust a pastor with my money towards God. The money doesn't fall under the control of the govt in anyway. If I feel my money is being used against my understanding, I can withdraw from that church anyday anytime.

Since the money you (and millions of other Nigerian citizens) contribute to the church cannot be claimed it inherited by any individuals, the assets and funds ultimately belongs to the people I.e. the government.

If the pastor converts the money for his personal use, that is FRAUD! And the pastor has committed a criminal offence.

Your withdrawal from the church is not sufficient deterrent.

lexy2014:
how are these men of God a huge problem to Nigeria?

How can you not know?

First, their doctrines and teachings are chiefly responsible for the terrible 'craze' for materialism, especially amongst the youths.

You need to see how their eyes 'shine' while watching in estacy as yahoo boys give offerings and tithes in their Churches...

Their opulent and lavish lifestyles are bad precedences for the upcoming and next generations.

Abeg, just leave me alone this afternoon o.

ibedun:


Since the money you (and millions of other Nigerian citizens) contribute to the church cannot be claimed it inherited by any individuals, the assets and funds ultimately belongs to the people I.e. the government.

If the pastor converts the money for his personal use, that is FRAUD! And the pastor has committed a criminal offence.

Your withdrawal from the church is not sufficient deterrent.

More nonsense!

edoairways:

Whatever you see or think has it's root in the bible and there is nothing you and I can do

I'm sure the Bible and churches are still in existence/use in the developed world, it's understanding and application that makes the difference....
The Bible was not written in Nigeria, so we can't know the function of a thing more than the owner

CoolAmbience:


How can you not know?

First, their doctrines and teachings are chiefly responsible for the terrible 'craze' for materialism, especially amongst the youths.

You need to see how their eyes 'shine' while watching in estacy as yahoo boys give offerings and tithes in their Churches...

Their opulent and lavish lifestyles are bad precedences for the upcoming and next generations.

Abeg, just leave me alone this afternoon o.

I don't no that's why am asking u that knows.

What is their "doctrines and teachings are chiefly responsible for the terrible 'craze' for materialism, especially amongst the youths?"

I haven't seen "how their eyes 'shine' while watching in estacy as yahoo boys give offerings and tithes in their Churches..."

How is "Their opulent and lavish lifestyles are bad precedences for the upcoming and next generations"?

Why I go leave u?

chatinent:
Building schools church members cannot afford. Where is the change!

Speak for yourself, don't generalize it please, say you cannot afford it

desiredhome:

I'm sure the Bible and churches are still in existence/use in the developed world, it's understanding and application that makes the difference....
The Bible was not written in Nigeria, so we can't know the function of a thing more than the owner

The developed countries you cited has similar problem with us. This can be underpinned from the scriptures. An average Nigerian is greedy, selfish and wicked. This is obtainable in the aforementioned region.

Standing5:
More nonsense!

You are a Nigerian so I am not bothered!

Everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion...

edoairways:

The developed countries you cited has similar problem with us. This can be underpinned from the scriptures. An average Nigerian is greedy, selfish and wicked. This is obtainable in the aforementioned region.

That's not true, If there's an alter call for people that want to travel out in your church, more than half of the congregation will come out, what does that mean to you?........
If you've ever been to any of the developed countries you will know that Nigeria is a hellfire....

JayJohnson:



Speak for yourself, don't generalize it please, say you cannot afford it

How many of the members can afford such school fees?
My sister and her family that always carry this church for head...all the papa say ........
She will be the first to go to Shiloh every year, shiloh sacrifice etc for over 10years now.....
Today she is asking for a school that is less expensive for her daughter who is about to enter secondary school......
I'm like so after all these years of sacrifice and still sacrificing for them yet ordinary school they can't subsidize for you?......
This is nothing but wickedness/scam........

Henrydonland:
stupid men of God,talking as if they care if Nigerians are suffering.

This oyedepo of a man is ranked among the richest pastors in the world with private jets and do on with a university that is expensive as hell.

How can a man of God be that rich.

Just wondering how much you have giving to him as a person Possibly a NIL naira Yet you open mouth blah blah blah...

When people get frustrated, every other person's succcess becomes a threat to them

Talking about private jets, am sure the man of God has never ask you not to buy so why complaining?

Again, if you think a pastor should not be rich, or Oyedepo is not doing church as God want it, my brother, go get yourself an auditorium and start a church so others can learn,

Lastly, if u see OYEDEPO near you, u no go know when you lie down greet

desiredhome:

How many of the members can afford such school fees?
My sister and her family that always carry this church for head...all the papa say ........
She will be the first to go to Shiloh every year, shiloh sacrifice etc for over 10years now.....
Today she is asking for a school that is less expensive for her daughter who is about to enter secondary school......
I'm like so after all these years of sacrifice and still sacrificing for them yet ordinary school they can't subsidize for you?......
This is nothing but wickedness/scam........

Person wey do the sacrifice no cry or complain, y you come deh complain??

Dog weh work no lie down, na another one come deh tire nawaooo

Was expecting a long speech instead it's that short nonsense that is Nigeria's problem.

Myer:


You have to wonder what they're teaching cos even the graduates Covenant is churning out are part of the problem instead of being part of the solution.

Winners preaches prosperity without preaching much of righteousness.
When you exalt prosperity over virtues of righteousness, you can be sure that your followers will do anything to gain that prosperity even committing sins that unbelievers won't.

The irony with Christianity is that a unbeliever believes he is committing sin when we steals but a Grace and Prosperity preaches have taught their followers that even if they steal, it is not a sin because Christ has paid for all their sins.

At the end of the day, Christians who should be part of the solution have become more of the problem.

Interestingly you can't blame this pastors because there are Bible verses that support this claim, mostly John and Paul's epistles.

If only Christianity had continued the way the missionaries introduced it to Nigeria, clearly, the Nigeria we have today would be the most prosperous nation in the would but unfortunately the reverse is the case.

Both Christians and Muslims are robbing the Nations and dry and the masses are to suffer for it. Although directly or indirectly the elites are also suffering from this insecure and undder-developrd country they've created.

Oga where is the fear of God in you? Have u ever listen to a teaching from the bishop where he justified stealing as grace of God? I don't know you people's problems with this man ! His wealth? , he has not even started . Tell any minister of the world that preaches righteousness than bishop Oyedepo , then I will tell you how good u are in lying .
For your information majority of the student of covenant university are children of living faith church home and abroad, that is the truth. *Who you follow determines what follow u*

Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.

I can't agree more.
Flexherbal