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RikoduoSennin:
Did the maker of Rolex declare himself to be a God? Did he/she meet the require of being a God?

Then, how can I worship him when he himself is a creation?

@ bolded, not necessary that I knew that watches are created: but more about complex gears and wheels working together in precision can't come by chance.

The earth is more complex and precise that Rolex time piece, so it can't come about by chance.

You have heard that God is the creator of earth you choose to ignore that. Human's are limited to what we can perceive

Adedayo516:
There is no where on that site where acct is written.. If you truly check that link before registration then you would have seen "English and any other subjects from Science, Social Science and art" So if I were you I would choose English, Government, Economics, Biology.


That's the best combination you can get.

Kingdomdaughter:
Adedayo
Cant i choose agric, yoruba or commerce instead of biology?
Pls help.
Cos i was even planning to verify in there admission office today.
In other to save me dis stress, kindly put me through.
Tnks in anticipation

dejii01:
I took a jamb calculator along, just in case.

Jsolomex:
Bro please you know about the rightful combinations for computer science... Is it eng,maths.phys,bio or eng,maths,phys,chem or is chem and bio optional

theunusualmoon:
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Back then he was seen as an ordinary man and he wanted to tell them about GOD because the jews never believed and still don't believe he is the son of GOD

dejii01:
Carry it along. They allowed us last year.



Two.



I don't know this.



200.



I don't know this either.

theunusualmoon:
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I am sorry to have jumped to the conclusion that you're of the opinion that there's no GOD because you cannot see him.I guess i towed that path because it's what most atheists are fond of saying.
Talking about religion......Religion did not bring the idea of GOD men needed a definition and hence named the way of life of the old prophets and Jesus' as religion but Jesus did not come to preach religion.He came to teach us to love unconditionally and always choose peace over war.

theunusualmoon:
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Other women would do that and much more for you so how is that a proof? Or could it be that you can see and touch love?
The point I am trying to make for you here is that just because you cannot see love does not mean you are not aware your spouse feels this for you.just because you cannot see love does not mean it does not exist......So why then would you.confidently.say GOD does not exist because you cannot see GOD?
..........sinequanon ! Just incase you didnt read the entire thing.I have here the ones you left out.

sinequanon:
Then your analysis is based on a patent falsehood. There are plenty of differing interpretations in science.



In science, you have some PREVAILING ideas and theories, and a huge number of DISPUTES which are the subject of ongoing research. Why are you not calling that situation a state of CONFUSION, too? Biased labels don't prove anything.

It is the same with any religion. In any "denomination", you have prevailing ideas and disputes.

In either case, the reason an idea prevails is because you have some system of PEER REVIEW and adjudication, whether it is a by a science journal or Synod, etc. A relatively small number of people assess the idea and rubber stamp or reject it. Everyone else in the field is then pressured to follow suit.

You have not explained a difference. You have only slapped labels on science and religion (using different terms for the same thing, and demonstrated nothing).

I think I know what you may be trying to say, but nobody so far has been able to articulate a difference which is not merely arbitrary choice of words.

theunusualmoon:
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Pr0ton you didn't answer my question.

RikoduoSennin:
I quoted your comment, highlighted/bold a section of your previous post.

The section that said "When you cannot prove he exist" is wrong.

We can prove the existed of God that's why we have faith. Can you put you faith in a man whom you don't know if he exist?

RikoduoSennin:
You said it, THEIR BELIEF is blind Faith and you believe them, then believe me when I tell you THAT MY FAITH/BELIEF IS NOT BASED ON BLIND FAITH.






You mean MANY SUPPOSED Examples of blind faith.




Some men did not see the resurrected Jesus in person but belief, is that what you called blind faith?

Do they have reasons to believe Jesus resurrection, YES!

1) More than 500 persons saw Jesus after he resurrected.

2) The 120 christians would not have received the Holy spirit without Jesus being resurrected.

3) The soldiers guiding Jesus' tomb could not explain what happen to his body. (Saying his disciples took him without confrontation is plain bull, since that was the main reason they were there).

4) Everybody in that room, who saw Jesus could not all have been liars like Thomas thought.

5) The disciples would not have preached with so much zeal that the message was spread to the entire inhabited Earth if Jesus did not rise up from the grave and they saw him.

So even if person's like the Gentiles did not see Jesus in person, they believed the Apostles on account of the Miraculous things (Evidence) they did in Jesus name.

RikoduoSennin:
Well, that is a wrong perception of Bible Faith!
Abraham is called the "Father of Faith"- he did not have blind Faith/ the kind of Faith you describe.: Hebrew 11:17-19 --- He has a good reason/evidence to believe God can bring his son back to life because at 100 years of Age he had a son of the promise.


Give me one example of bible patriach that has/display BLIND FAITH.

THE EARTH IS PERFECT FOR LIFE IS PROOF ENOUGH FOR ME THAT GOD EXIST.

Have you heard of "Registers", I am sure you have. Football, Law, Medicines have their own Registers. So too Religion has theirs. You can't use the general definition on it: Have you notice different definition for a particular word in a dictionary?

RikoduoSennin:
When you have understood this very FACT: DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ FROM THE INTERNET, mostly that from Dubious sites, then we can talk calmly.

Research books written by bible Scholars for a change. Compare various various books written bey these scholars.

Research if Paul's letters pre-date the Gospel of Mark.

Are you implying that THE ORIGINAL LETTERS STILL EXIST TODAY, because these writers wrote in biodegradable materials which won't last long. HENCE EVERY PARCHMENT/SCROLLS your suppose researchers use was nothing COPY OF A COPY.

Many of these dates are based on SPECULATIONS, So if You are saying they are not accurate and the Apostles were not the writers of the bible THEN WE CAN'T TRUST EVERY SUPPOSE WRITERS OF CONTEMPORARY CLASSICAL LITERATURE FOR THE SAME REASONS TOO.

sinequanon:
"If you pray, you will succeed in life". You can produce observABLE and testABLE evidence for this. But different people will interpret the evidence differently.

You may not like some people's interpretations of the observABLE and testABLE evidence, and they may not like yours. You may prefer another explanations for why Mr. Fitzmolars succeeded in life. But, just because you disagree with his interpretation of the evidence doesn't mean it wasn't "observABLE" or "testABLE".

DDeliverer:
Why will Jesus come back? The first time he came, you guys killed him and you expect him to come again?

If you are jesus will you come back?

theunusualmoon:
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You need to answer my question before you can confidently say that.

sinequanon:
Yes you can.

"Prove something" means "convince people about that thing".

You may not be able to convince everybody, or even many people, but that doesn't mean that you cannot convince some people.

This quote of Jesus in regards to the end times is found in Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; and Luke 21:32. Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." The key to understanding what Jesus means is the context; that is, we must understand the verses that are surrounding verse 34, but especially the verses prior to it. In Matthew 24:4-31, Jesus is speaking of future events. The generation of people living when those events occur is the generation that Jesus speaks of "not passing" until He returns. Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them ( Matthew 21:43). Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24-25 be seen as speaking of a future time. The word “generation” refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24-25 will occur.

theunusualmoon:
Pr0ton can you tell me how you are able to ascertain that your spouse truly loves you?

RikoduoSennin:
Can you have the word "EVIDENCE", "ASSURANCE", "CERTAINTY" in a sentence and their is no proof of Bible Faith linked to them?

Can someone be certain/ Assured of a Matter without any Proof/Evidence to back that up.

Though we can't see God but Creation gives EVIDENCE That he Exist!

The Above defination of Faith refers to the NON-BIBLICAL MEANING OF THE WORD "FAITH" .

RikoduoSennin:
I appreciate your "soft" handle on things- the hard one who have been pure annoying.

If you assume I am "ignorant" then all your comments will be attune with that NOTION. You have already created an invisible wall between our arguments, one that is not easily brought down.

You said the above with so much certainty, I am yet to see the proof for that claim. The above is not good enough. Why?

1 peter 1:1 - "Peter, an apostle of Jesus, to the Strangers scattered througout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia "

So the Catholics wrote that, based on what?

2 Peter 1:16 -- "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables when we made known unto you the power and the coming of our Lord Jesus christ, BUT WERE EYEWITNESSES OF HIS MAJESTY"

So the allege writer was claiming to be an eyewitness when he is not?

2 Peter 3:15 " EVEN AS OUR BELOVED BROTHER PAUL also according to the wisdom given unto him HAS WRITTEN unto you"

So Paul wrote but Peter did not write any scriptures, is that it?

It is not a UNIVERSAL FACT but a WIDELY ACCEPTED NOTION by persons who has not done enough Research.

Search this: What year was the Gospel of Mark written ?

4 legit/Canon Gospels, Every other Gospel is False. Any Book written after 95 C.E is non- canon.

cloudstar:
Pr0ton



Thanks for clearing it up. So the question again is - Did the Universe create itself? Is the Universe the creator or everything?

The common school boy argument . The God that I am explaining is not a created being. The Christian God is and was not created. If your idea of god is like that of Zeus or their likes that were products of matter or energy of the children of other gods, then you have the concept of the Christian God confused. God is eternal - that is one of His attributes or characteristics. Furthermore, for God to create anything he had to already exist in order to perform the action. But he could not do anything if he did not exist. Therefore, it is not possible for God to create himself.

There are people that call themselves gods and we have a place for such people - the mental hospital. So, if you think you are demolishing the question of created gods then good for you. You would have saved yourself the time because Christians don't need any convincing that created gods are a delusion . Let's use some math here to break it down for you:

1. The Christian God is un-created!
2. The category of the un-created is not empty

Perhaps, you have difficulty with the notion of the un-created. Christians do not. Also, do you believe that matter and energy existed before the creation of the universe? In essence, do you believe that they are eternal or were eternal? Or do you believe they were finite?

To my my painter example again, it's similar to you asking - who painted the painter since the painter existed before the painting? The painter existed before he painted the painting in question and it was at the time that the painting came into existence.

Imagine you wrote a book, the book never existed until you wrote it. We all agree that the book never existed and only existed at the time you wrote it and published it. Now, to find out who wrote the book; will I ask - "Who wrote the author?" Or even if we don't have any confirmation on who exactly wrote the book - will I ask "Did the author write himself?". This is a common Atheist question that have been amplified by the likes of Richard Darwkins, Lawrence Kruss and Sam Harris but it's so shallow that everyone can see through it.

The Christian God is not bound by time or space or was created; any Christian will tell you that. Also, I don't believe only because the Bible said so but because the information we have now point to an intelligent designer as the originator of our Universe - I called that intelligent designer God. Atheist don't like to call it God; that is fine by me. However, there is no entity that fits such description or has the power to create matter and energy and life.

You are arguing from incomplete reference - you are cherry picking one statement without reading the entire text. If you read the entire text, it makes it clear that God created everything. The Bible also makes it very clear that God is eternal; so your argument that the Bible didn't use "Before the Beginning" has too many holes in it

Christian authors and Christians all know that God is eternal and existed before the beginning. If you want verses that state "Before", I will happily indulge you:

1. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
2. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
3. The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
4. To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

Again, it's quite clear in the Bible that God existed before time - please try and open your eyes when you read this. It's important that you are objective.



I admitted that the particular verse started with "In the beginning" and not "Before the beginning". However, the full text shows that God created everything and I have demonstrated above with Biblical references showing you that God is eternal and existed before the beginning.

RikoduoSennin:
Now, the above is a lie. Who told you mark was not an eye witness of Jesus christ. Matthew and John are Jesus' disciples so how are they not eye witness?

Paul's letters did not pre-date ALL THE GOSPELS!

If you claim is true, why did Paul believe in Jesus, preached about him serious to eye witness.

More Gospels? You mean the Apochrypha gospels written at a later time period by imposters.

cloudstar:
Pr0ton



So the Cosmos created the Universe? - what is the difference between the Cosmos and the Universe by the way? Also, is the Cosmos the creator?

The Bible doesn't use the word "Before the beginning". So, if you are looking for the word that says - Before the beginning, God existed and then in the beginning, He created everything; you won't find that as the author didn't indicate that.

In the same way, I wouldn't look at a painting in a museum and expect to see the painter birth-date on his painting to prove he existed before he painted the picture or accuse him of being a baby when he painted it. I can't argue from silence.

However, if you continue to read the passage down to verse 3 of John chapter one, it states it quite clearly that God created everything

John 1 King James Version (KJV):

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

cloudstar:
Pr0ton



It's a cosmological argument and a logical one. A typical example is this: Before anything moves, it had to be moved by an initial force or mover. So does the mover and the mover that moved that mover. However, there can't be an eternal set of movers - at some point; there was the first cause that started everything i.e. a chain reaction that started everything or the first action that triggered the domino.

However you interpret it, it's pretty simple - Before the "beginning" - there was God. Before matter and energy; something higher, some metaphysical preceded everything else - the 1st un-caused cause.

I can't get any more clearer than that.