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Adedayo516:
I bet you don't want this bottles of coke.. Asks Pr0ton

Trust yr boy grabs from him







Seven wah

Afolabi6046:
The thread is created for aspirants of the stated alma mata for next session. Feel free to ask any quesn bothering u nd u wud b attended to by stallites.

Is their exam CBT or PPT?

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simplex2:
Are we even sure another set of angels haven't revolted, and, this time, succeeded in overthrowing the monarch?

If lucifer alone could have a followership of one-third of the angels; a whooping 33.3% of billions of angels supporting him and revolting against the power of incumbency, I'm sure the other angels must have seen more reasons to join the demonstration.

God is weak. I can't still believe any being would dare an all-powerful God that way. When I hear about satan "fighting the saints of God" or something like "war in heaven" I'm always like "God's creation daring Him?"


But it only makes sense when we read the story as fairy tale.

astronautog:
guy u just proved u r not existing in africa

I do. I don't just accept every story about the supernatural without questioning. The more inquisitive I get the more I realize I live in a world of superstition.

Adiwana:
if you're an atheist,trying to convince you isnt worth it buh if you're not,then you will know that what happens in the spiritual isnt something we joke about

Yh. It's very serious. Victims need a critical diagnostic test, and a prevention from further psychological problems. Let's help them.

astronautog:
reading through ur post I knw u dnt believe in God,but I ask u this,r u sayin witches and wizards are folk tales too??bro if witches do exist then there are higher powers,ask ur self how u suddenly came into d world,look around u see the way tins works in and outside this planet.they all follow a process life is no fluke sometin is responsible for all these so bro change ur school of thought #peace.

Witches? I only hear of them but haven't seen any. Where people got the ideas of witch was from stories... which are just stories, fictional ones. The ones practised in real life are mere superstitions. None of them is real. If there's a witch we should see her handwork; control leaders, destroy every soul that offends her, have wealth and all. The only instance where they are active is in dreams; get hallucinated and attribute it to a spiritual force.

Why don't animals ask themselves how they got here? They are smarter than that.

brainiac007:
Whoever taught you that you have two spirits in you taught you wrongly! Man is spirit. You can only be influenced by good or evil. The choice is left for you to make.
Also, like Men, Angels are not robots. They have free-will. Like the bible says, nothing from outside can corrupt a man but what comes from inside. God gave both men and angels his creative ability. the ability to create both good and evil resides within..that Is what corrupted the devil - it was his choice!

and God being omniscient knew beforehand that the ability to choose between good and evil would eventually be disastrous. Being programmed as rebots would be better. No one would go to hell. We'll all do good, praise Him, worship Him, He becomes our God, we become His people. And that's love. He shouldn't be childish; creating imperfect beings and expecting all of them to turn good.

Youngsage:
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I didn't say pride isn't evil.
I said it earlier. Pride originated from Lucifer, now Satan. He wasn't created with it, he wasn't created with sin. He was made blameless, but he became proud because of his beauty, he wanted to rule. He wanted God's position.
Sin, or evil started as a result of Satan's pride. This pride originated from his thoughts, it came from within Him. God cannot be in the prescence of sin, so he had to cast him out into his own realm, where he could be king.

If Satan was created blameless and pure, but yet sinned... Then God "should take heed lest He falls"

ayoku777:
So you think the story is fabricated? What criteria do you use to determine what story in the bible is fabricated and what story is authentic? Because its either you believe the bible is the word of God or you don't.

Otherwise you will be bound to using personal sentiments to cherry pick what story or doctrine you accept or reject in the word of God. And in that case the bible is no more the word of God to you.

Only a delusional fo0l would think otherwise.

Now to the scripture you quoted and to your question.

Matthew 27v52 -And the graves were opened; and many BODIES of the saints which slept AROSE.

If you had done a careful study you will discover that the word translated "arose" in that specific verse is the greek word

"EGEIRO" -which means "to rouse" as from sleep or "to erect or construct" as of a building.

This is in sharp contrast with the greek word

"ANASTASIA" -which means "to raise from the dead" or "to restore back to life"

Anytime "egeiro" is used in scripture it means to rouse. If it is used in the context of bringing someone back to life, the phrase "from the dead" is mostly added.

So when the bible said that the bodies of the saints which slept AROSE (egeiro). It didn't mean that they were alive yet or that their spirits and souls were back inside their bodies. No, it means their decomposed bodies were made whole.

If their souls and spirits had returned into their bodies, scripture would have added "arose (egeiro) FROM THE DEAD" or simply used the greek word "anastasia" which means "to restore back to life."

To summarize the boring lecture, egeiro simply means to arouse and anastasia means to raise from the dead. Sometimes if the writer intends to use egeiro with connection to a resurrection he could write "egeiro from the dead" which is equivalent to anastasia in meaning.

While this formular is utterly true, our lecturer erroneously took it for a point to support his claim. His claim was since the author of Matthew didn't add "from the dead" to egeiro, which means "to rouse", then the author wasn't talking of a real resurrection. It becomes apparent that our lecturer hasn't read diverse textbooks (different translations of the Bible), and for all his whole life he has only one kind that has been his anchor (KJV), and that's too bad.

So I don't need to post much stories. Only one different translation of Matthew 27:52 and your claim falls on its face.







The NIV has the verse as:

"and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life

The NLT has the verse as:

"and tombs opened. The bodies of godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead

and we have this Internation Standard Version having the verse as:

"tombs were opened, and many saints who had died were brought back to life

It was after Jesus rose from the dead, that the spirits and souls of these saints also entered their bodies; and they came out of their graves like Jesus.

And that point was made clear in the next verse

Matthew 27v52 -And (they) came out of the graves AFTER HIS (Jesus) RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

They were not alive or animate until after Jesus resurrected. Their BODIES were only roused.

Jesus is in everyway the first begotten from the dead.

and we have realized that your claims are off the points. Those saints came back to life in the author's allegation. And it's highly suspect.


Now to your hillarious answers

Now to your other questions.

1: What were the names of the saints?

Scripture didn't say, it only called them saints. We should not go beyond what is written.

We let him go in this one.

2 and 3: How come it wasn't mentioned by Josephus or Paul?

I don't think because Josephus and Paul didn't mention an incident of Christ's life and ministry then it didn't happen.

The incident is too miraculous to escape history. The fact that Josephus and Paul didn't mention it shows that it could have never been a reality. Philo who lived in the supposed lifetime of Jesus never mentioned such an astonishing incident. He never for once even mentioned the name Jesus.

Did Paul mention the multiplication of bread and fish by Jesus? Did he mention his walking on water or even turning water to wine?

Paul never claimed to have witnessed a flesh and blood Jesus. He got his ideas from a spirit Jesus. You know who Gnotics are?

Does that mean the miracles or the stories were fabricated too?

Sincerely, they were.

5: Who did they appear to?

Scripture didn't say either, it only said they appeared to many. Let's also not go beyond what is written.

We let him go in that one too.

6: Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city?

Scripture didn't say either. But if I'm allowed to speculate, my guess would be they also ascended. They would be the firstfruits of the sacrifice of Christ's body presented before God.

Remember the High priest always presents the sacrifice of the firstfruits of the barley harvest to God; at the feast of firstfruits, after passover and unleavened bread. (Let's not go into all that)

jeez... Ascended? Shouldn't that be recorded too, by Josephus, Philo and Paul? Your guess doesn't work mate.

7: Don't you think the saints would have made the best evangelists?

Well from our view point, they would have been; as in resurrected saints preaching the resurrected Christ -that would be something. But I guess not from God's view point.

God obviously wanted the mandate of the gospel to be the responsiblity of fellow new covenant believers, not resurrected old covenant saints.

Go back to your foundation. Your answers are misleading.

Youngsage:
@Pr0ton turn away from atheism b4 its too late.

and that's how they run away...

FrancisTony:
Pr0ton, I'd be back for you. I don't type epistles with my Operamini except Ucbrowser.

Later on, but before today runs out sha.

Olhyt. Will swap to my UCB when your reply reach me

Youngsage:
No evil can enter into heaven. All the angelic beings are created pure and blameless, so the moment Satan became proud as a result of His own thoughts, he lost his place in heaven. Seems you had difficulty tryin to get what I was trying to pass across in those two lines. Sorry abt that

More hits

- No evil can enter heaven

- Though someone already possess this evil in heaven

REMEMBER

- He wasn't created evil

Youngsage:
- He wasn't just a devoted angel, he was very very powerful. As a matter of fact, he was an Archangel, the most powerful of the three that God created.
He was a magnificent being , with more intellect, wisdom, ability and beauty than the other angelic beings, was awesome to behold. No wonder God named him Lucifer which means 'Day Star' or 'Son of The Morning'.
To cut the long story short, it got to a point that he became discontent with his position, even as the angel of worship/music director in heaven, and prominence and wanted to overthrow God. His downfall began because Pride entered his heart, and because of his power, he got some angels on his side, one third of all the angels, this then led to a war between lucifer and his men, and the other archangel/angels.
He was defeated, and together with the fallen angels, was banished from Heaven and God changed his name to Satan/Devil meaning 'adversary', and these fallen angels are known today as Demons... And so on.

The spirit that polluted Satan, came from Satan himself, it entered him- from him that moment he allowed Pride take over him. Hence the origin of sin originated from the creation, not the creator. Never.
Although Satan, or Lucifer was not created evil, he originated His own sin which which was pride and rebellion against God.
The same sin Adam commited. Rebellion- deliberately disobeying God's intsruction- The first or original sin- on Earth...

We have a comedian in the house Here are his hits:

- It entered him from himself

- Yet he wasn't created evil

Weselion:
It was not an evil spirit, it was pride. When God Creates a living thing, he allows them make choices. Angels knew how powerful God was and know the consequence of not worshiping him, the Devil wanted to face the consequence. Even human beings have a choice, its either you worship God or the Devil but there are bad consequences when you worship the devil.

We are taught that we have two kind of spirits in us; good and bad. For every good action the good spirit is involved. For every bad action a deceiver is involved, the bad spirit. Satan fell a victim of yielding to the bad spirit. And the bad spirit is? oh remind me??

From God.

Hmmm Franky. You think that is all the Bible has to say

FrancisTony:
Luke1:10- And the whole multitude of the people was praying outside at the hour of incense.

Exodus30: 34-37
34. And the LORD said to Moses: Take sweet spices, stacte and onycha and galbanum, and pure frankincese with these sweet spices; there shall be equal amounts of each.
35. "You shall make of these an incense, a compound according to the art of the perfumer, salted, pure and holy.
36 "And you shall beat some of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of meeting where I will meet with you. It shall be most holy to you.
37. "But as for the incense which you shall make, you shall not make any for yourselves, according to its composition. It shall be to you holy for the LORD.

Nah, not really. For as long as this instruction isn't given in the NT it isn't worth following. Diehard Catholics. You guys have forgotten what Paul says that "finding fault with the Old Testament/Covenant" He (God) decided to make a new one saying, "I'll make a New Covenant with them. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day when I took them out of the land of Egypt."

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So brother, tell me how this is a pagans tradition?. Only protestants who are not practising it, that should be accused from deviating away in what the Lord our God has told us to obey.

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Paul doesn't stop there, he says since He has made "a New Covenant" which is "not written with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart." 2 Cor 3:3 He "has made the first old" and "that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Jews and Catholics are just wasting their time, perhaps offending their God too, by living under the OT which has been done away on the cross.

Your use of Luke doesn't make a point here, as that's just a mere passage and not an instruction to be followed.

Proverb 15:8- The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD,
But the prayer of the uprights is His delight.

^^^it goes that show that the prayer of wicked ones isn't acceptable in the eyes of our LORD GOD. So, who would do that?

Can't remember the exact proverb. It says something like, "You can only force a camel to the river. But you can't force it to drink."

Even if the upright prays on behalf of this person who is still wicked the prayer would have no effect. If it would then God has somewhat answered the prayer of this wicked through the prayer of the upright and therefore making God a man of not His words.

What does Ezekiel 18:20b say? "the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Remember, Abraham prayed for Sodom that if peradventure God found 10 righteous men that He shouldn't destroy it. God agreed not to destroy it only if He would find 10 righteous men. Unfortunately for Sodom, there were no 10 righteous men, so God destroyed it. The righteous had prayed, it's left for the wicked to turn from his ways.

You guys distort that verse. Its true meaning is only the prayer of the upright will be answered for himself. And the wicked's will be rejected.

Number21:8-9
8. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.
9. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Exodus25:17-20
17. "You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two and a half cubits shall be its length and a cubit and a half its width.
18. "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat.
19. "Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat.
20. "And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat.

Act19:11-12
11. Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul,
12 So that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.


Who adores cross? You mean your Church? My Church doesn't.
Or could you clarify what you mean by it?


At underlined, really? Provide a biblical proof, biko?

At emboldened, Matthew5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets, I didn't come to destroy but to fufill.

Glory to Jesus,
Honour to Mary.

and the fun starts

Exodus 20:4
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Leviticus 26:1
“You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am theLordyour God.

Acts 17:29
Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man.

Deuteronomy 4:16-19
Beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

Isaiah 42:8
I am theLord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

Glory to Mithras 25th on my mind.

One more Franky...

"Christ is the end of the law; righteousness to everyone who believes."

Modified

godunia:
When u gain admission into higher institution u will.leave NL n face your studies

So you've gained admission? You don't sound like one.


Your second advice doesn't pass a sense. Your telling me it's impossible to face my studies while at the same staying on NL. I think you guessed wrong about everyone not being able to work with his/her senses by setting time to be serious with studies and separating some time for fun. Bro, not everyone is like you, huh. Whenever you wan'a give an advice again be sure it's updated, not old-fashioned boring one.

I never knew such thing happened

osazekid:
Pls i need help on this jamb form,which i will submit on monday,i dont understand the first,second,third and fourth choice,i asked some one and he said the first and second choice are the university i want while the third and fourth choice are the polytecnic i want,i dont know whether he's correct,i also asked some of my friend and they said the first is the university while the second, a poly and third a college,pls help me i dont want to make mistakes

The first, second, third and fourth choice are... just choices. Fill whatever institution you want. Your first choice could be a uni, poly, coe etc. Same rule goes for the second, third and fourth. For better understanding:

You can make your form like this

First Choice > OAU

Second Choice > Yabatech

Third Choice > Adeyemi College of Education

Fourth Choice > Any kind of innovation.

OR

First Choice > Ibadan Poly

Second Choice > Lasu

Third Choice > Ifo College Of Technology

Fourth Choice > Any type of innovation.

It doesn't matter which institution you put first, be it a university, polytechnic etc. Just as the names imply; your first choice ( which institution do you want most) your second choice after that... and so on.

kayalcomp:
Poster. I know this is the only thing you opposition will be using against Buhari. He has corrected you people that he cannot islamic Nigeria. Even if he does (WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE), is it not better than this nonsence things like using CONNECTIONS TO GET THINGS DONE, BUYING WORKS BEFORE YOU CAN GET ONE corruptions, e.t.c that we currently face? WE NEED CHANGE, WE NEED ANOTHER LEADER TO GUIDE US. some people are hungry, and angry about the country situations. You whey dey shop politician money may not feel anything, BUT THE ORDINARY MAN ON THE STREETS who doesnt have connections are crying for CHANGE. AGAIN , WE NEED CHANGE.

I reason with you. But change sometimes might not mean what we intend it to mean. I believe you would prefer this present state to a state where you hands and feet get cut off for not being a Muslim. Where you start living in fear and under the cruelity of sharia law.



Change is not going to happen overnight. It's growing. Give GEJ another chance, his government will improve than this. Just support him and let's fight for our country together, it's not a man's job. Team GEJ.


GREAT PEOPLE GREAT NATION. We will make it.

Abuamam:
"THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND SAID THAT SHE WANTS COMMUNISM TO BE INTRODUCED THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH."... no source.
How many people believe that statement? None, I am sure. Bottom line; the era of gullibility is past. OP, put up your sources (to prove your claims) or forever remain silent and lacking in credibility.
We are waiting.

It's obvious you didn't read the whole post before your head started getting hot and thus couldn't tolerate the truth of the post that you jumped down here to post rubbish.


Take heart bro. I feel your pain.

As Muhammadu Buhari emerged as winner of the APC flagbearer, major stakeholders in the country have been giving their opinion on the matter.
Latest to talk about Major General Buhari’s win is former colleague now PDP affiliate, The former Nigerian minister Femi Fani Kayode.
Femi Fani Kayode went to his facebook and wrote how he feels about the declaration of the former winner.

He also accused Buhari of trying to implement sharia law in the country divided by two major religion.
Full statement below
Major General Mohammadu Buhari has emerged as the APC flagbearer and President Goodluck Jonathan has emerged for the PDP. Now the battle for the soul and future of our nation begins. The forces of light shall surely prevail over the forces of darkness and God’s counsel alone shall stand over Nigeria. I stand with Jonathan. Let’s get it on.

”Jihadi groups killed more than 5,000 people last month, with Iraq topping the league table of deaths, followed by Nigeria, Afghanistan and Syria.
In 664 incidents recorded in November by the BBC World Service and researched jointly with King’s College London, the overall death toll was 5,042, or an average of 168 deaths per day and nearly twice the number of people who were killed in the 11 September 2001 attacks on America.

After Iraq, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Syria, Yemen was fifth in the deadly league table, tying with Somalia, with 37 incidents each”- DORO ADEBENTLEY 11 December, Facebook.
All this and some people still say they want Buhari as President? A man who said, only last year, that ”an attack on Boko Haram is an attack on the north”? A man who said, in 2001, that he wants to ”spread sharia throughout the federation”? A man who said, in 2001, that muslims should only vote for muslims”? A man who said, in 2001, that ”why should christians be concerned when muslims cut off their limbs under sharia”?. A man who said, in 2001, that ”after all the limbs that are being cut off are muslim ones and not christian so why should the christians bother about it”?
This is the man that some Nigerians are clamouring for to be their President? May God open their eyes and protect them from themselves. May He grant them wisdom and discernment.
Fani-Kayode is a Nigerian politician, essayist, poet and lawyer. He was a member of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP). He was with the opposition’s All Progressive Congress (APC) until June 2014 when he returned to the ruling Peoples Democratic Party.


http://www.naij.com/342224-dont-forget-buhari-wanted-to-spread-sharia-throughout-the-federation-ffk.html

Gombs:
"The bible teaches us to forgive our enemies, even when they wrong us. What about God? Why couldn't He forgive Satan?"

Well, God did not forgive Satan, because forgiveness is based on sacrifice; someone must take responsibility for the wrongs. This is the reason most religions of the world have no provision for forgiveness; the only one that truly preaches forgiveness is Jesus, because He took responsibility of our sins.

Jesus died for ALL men, because He came as a man, but Satan is not a man, if he was, Jesus would have paid fully for him too, and since he is not man, there is no one to take responsibility for him. Therefore, he will answer for himself.

Remember that God is a spirit. If He had died for the sin of the world in the spiritual sense it would be of no merit to man. For that cause He had to come in human form (Jesus) to cancel man's debt in the flesh. So we see that the redemption of man was initially impossible because God was a spirit. Not until when he became flesh was the redemption of man possible.

My point is you said that Satan could not be forgiven because s/he was/is not a man, i.e he's a spirit, and so God's justice should not be questioned, but your claim isn't reasonable enough. The truth is God chose not to forgive Satan. He only chose to forgive man by going far as becoming a man (Jesus). It was God's choice to do so. He's not living by example of "forgiving our enemies even when they wrong us". His own words go against Him and He's not worth calling God. He should have demonstrated this kind of love He's preaching by simply dying for Satan in the spirit too, then His justice, in that aspect, is commendable.

666 is the name of a man, Nero.

McSterling:
Delusions of grandeur.

Common Nigeria they haven't crumbled, they are talking of destroying U.S.. They wan use their life play kite.

Joshthefirst:
Lol. Classic. Blaming God for your mistakes. Putting a verse out of context. Nice.

What verse I'm I taking out of context? Isn't that what the context is trying to explain? We are to accept the fact that we were created with the nature of sin, the ability, the desire to sin, and at the same time the ability to be good. God created everything that does exist; good and evil. For every action that we make, wheather good or evil, God is responsible. For if He doesn't want us to be evil He shouldn't have created evil. But now that He has created evil He surely wants you to be evil. If He doesn't, why then did He create evil?

see rules god punish devil/satan














satan punish god/jesus

Since the fact holds that every religion opposes other religions thoroughly and, sometimes, violently the reality of religion unifying is implausible, thus it's divisive.

gatiano:
Nation of Islam had been in the united states now for more than 80 years. they have not for once attacked nobody, they don't carry weapons, all the Nation of Islam do is speak out the truth without fear. so you want them to be attacked for saying the truth and librating the black people of the world of the condition of slavery and self hate? you brought the idea of attacking the nation of Islam, that killing them all will bring sorrow into your life, and i dared you all. that is not violence on my own part, it is violence from your side.

You know what? Just shush your mouth and stop talking rubbish... I wonder where you read in history that Islam once granted the freedom of black people from slavery when all they want is to have power over everyone so that everyone lives by their senseless sharia law, hence slavery... god punish devil