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@numo86, honestly you did took those words from my mind. i realy don't have much to say again, may God bless you. christians dont even know who they are. Read act 1.vs 6-8. The disciples ask him, Lord when will you restore the kingdom to isreal? Jesus told them frankly, it is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the father have hath put in his own power. But you shall receive power, after the holy Ghost is come upon you, and u shall be withness unto me, both in judea, and in jerusalem, samaria and unto d uttermost part of d earth. u c thats whats we needs, not runing after politics. A christian can vote, but a christian must not be a politician. I ask a friend a question, after much aguement,why did u want to vote for jonathan? he told me that, is because jonathan is a christian. can u c dat? now is mr presidnt truly a christian? is just like a pastor trying to conducts a deliverance to a female, all alone, thats dengarous, anything can happen nomather ur anionting, u can't tempt God.

Hmmmmm, well you have said it all. men are now worshiping their so called G.O today, and they are even ready to take up a fight with u, even in this forum.

Hmmmmm, you see why pastors must behave well at all time, especially in d public. They are representing God, they preach d words, by condeming evil. there4 everybody is watching at them, when u have light in ur house, and u cannot make use of that light, because of the low curent, while ur paying heavily for it, that light is completely useless. u re bent to complain, there4 criticising them is inevitable. Thats d parts of their own persecutions. Even Jesus with all his goodness was also not left out. Now d bottom line is this, its never d duty of d christians to criticise anybody. leave that business to unbeliever. But a christian can correct where it is necessery, nd it must be done with love. Having said this, all those pastors, bringing shame and disgrace to the body of christ, will not go unpunished.

AdeniyiA:
Anything done by compulsion or reluctantly is not acceptable to God.
Anybody who tells you it's compulsory is not speaking God's mind.
There's nothing as acceptable to God as such things which willingly come from ur mind to do.
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you have said it all. no comment.

obal2:
@Prnicewill "Where you got the whole things wrong, is when you said That, tithe is accepted under a new covenant doctrine".

This is typo issue please. it has been corrected. Please check. Thanks for reading the post.

Where is the church?

@robosky02, what makes you to gave us all these endless epistle, is it not for you to convince us that tithing is aceptable under dnew covenant lets me ask you a simple guestion. who is a labourer? when i hired you to work in my vineyard, you' re a labourer (employee) i am an employer right? am a rewarder, i will pay you ur wages, base on agreement. i hired u, i knows how 2 pay u whenever ur done. now if u have decided 2 manipulate figures, to take care of urself, where man dey work na dia hi dey chop, dats exactly what u re doing, and that is called coruption, stealing by tricks, fraud, u name it. I wonder why men will misapplied d scriptures in other to defends themselves. Our God is a mysterious God,he knows how to makes a way where there is no way. He is our great provider, he knows how to provides for his children. you can't help him. u c what heppen to uzzah, in 2samuel, when he was trying to hold the ark of God from falling, God strucked him dead. wen he knows he was not permited to touch it.

Hmmmm, don't be specific about it, if u ar not very sure. And you must also know urself, if u ar under d influence of d holy spirit. Otherwise u can just say, Pls lets us have a few prayer points be4 we share d grace. Wisdom is d principal things.

kamsibaby:
U guy should stop speaking bad about d church of God rather focus urselves in making heaven.have u guys eva heard of a muslim condenming their religion inspite of wot is currently happening.pls u guys should watch ur mouth!!

Btw, what makes you thinks That those churches belongs to God

Boyebeez:
Some people believe that it's kinda hard for a lawyer or even a Soldier to live a Godly life, is this true? Can a lawyer live a Godly life?, even if he is in the court defending someone.

Its also depends on the very angle you are looking at it. 1; being godly is not the same things as being a christian. you may be godly and you may not be a christian. Now a christians are those who live after christ, and poseses his spirit. There4 they are resricted in some certain jobs. such as the ones you mentioned above. pls i have my reasons here. Christians are not permited to condemn, and they ar also not permited to kill. A lawyer will condemn and prosecute a criminal, while a soldier will kill him. Jesus never commands his disciples to prosecute or kill any one. Thats why he did not allowed those pharisees to condemn the adultrous woman.

twosquare:
do I say u're a baby? And moreover u may be or not be. What we consider as grown-up, may not be what God consider as grown-up. Jesus is the one who shall give you the armor. The essence of the armor is for warfare. If it isn't important, Paul won't mention it. As powerful as Paul was, he still needed it. Didn't he know Jesus, isn't he an apostle? Yet he said u should put it on so that you may be able to stand. If not, you will fall and how great will that fall be!!!

Thats exactly what i mean, when i made that comment, is like telling a graduate if he knows how to read Abc. You should gather little children, and start telling them this stories. Am very sure you don't know my relationship with God.

Where you got the whole things wrong, is when you said That, tithe is accepted under a new covenant doctrine. dia is a thread that, the op listed 9 reasons y we needs to tithe, yet you outrightly comndened it, you see, u cannot serve God and marmmon, they are two separate things. nomather how good you try to paint evil, evil stil remain evil. There is no litle lie, all lies are equal. coming up to say one thing, and began to do another things are just acts of hypocricy. what i see here is hypocricy in display.

@obal2, you have realy made my day. this is what realy happen, those pastors knows exactly the truth about tithe, but they just find it dificult to obey. Lets me give u an example, i used to be a member of pfn, one of d the pastor is telling us the activities in winners chapel. He said that only one sunday offering alone, the ushers used to count the money for complete two weeks. now tell me, what type of preaching or advice would you give to such a man, that will make him to listen to you? thats the problem. i could remember the day we did our ordination, a friend jokingly told one of us, who is ordaining as a pastor, and said to him, stephen ur money dom come now o, we were surprise at that kind of statement. believe you me just remove tithe and offering from today churches , you will shock to see how many ministers that will remain. This people does'nt love God atall, they only claimed to love him. Therefore, they knows the truth, but their greediness cannot just helps out.

MarkMiwerds:
You said, " You must know the Scriptures before you speak".

I do know the Scriptures. A search on NL forums for "A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour " will reveal that I am very knowledgeable in the Word of God. I was on a debate team in a discussion on tithing that lasted 58 days, covering practically every verse on tithing in the Scriptures.

While our opponents were not convinced at the end of the debate, they failed to convince us to attach ourselves to the pro-tithe side of the debate either. If anything, their constant twisting and adding to Scripture to make it say what it did not say only strengthened our position that God does not require monetary tithes of us today.

Hence it is the issue of money, they will never agree whth you. yes when money have been involved in, but they were very quickly to adapt to other laws, and tell u we are in the time of grace. To me thats hypocricy.

twosquare:
the armor of God...tHose are the tools...if not sent, don't go...wait...That's why I also said learn how to handle the Testament very well, coz you're not gonna have a smooth ride, mate. And this is not saving one's life, No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man...you have to be well trained.

Do you think you re talking to a baby christian? without Jesus, what will you do with the amour

@op, why are you misinterpreting the scripture? Infacts when I read some people comments here, it will show that they don't know anything about the bible. The most anoying things is that you even quoted d book of hebrew on the issue of faith, while it was the same hebrew that nolify tithing entirely. you also shot urself on ur legs when u mentioned mathew 23;23 that Jesus said to d pharisees to pay tithe. ar u now a pharisee anyother person also gave us luke 18 where Jesus even humiliated a pharisees who is braging about his faithfulness in keeping the law, which includes his regular tithing. u can see what Jesus told his listeners. God was sending a warning to d isrealites who have abandoned his law for a very long time... He said prove me now, if i will not..... just try me and see, just test me nd see me in action. they obeyed him and he proved himself. bt 2day our pastors wil tell u dat u ar not doing it faithfuly or regularly, dats y u hv nt bn blesd, trying 2 make God a lair. God can never lie.

@twosquare. Thank you so much for your advice. But Jesus said he who want save his life , in this wicked and adulterous generation will loose it, andhe who want to loose his life for my sake, will find it. I don't know other tools you are talking of, but the only tool I know is the name of Jesus.

twosquare:
What OP didn't know is that establishing his own church is not the right step to the things we have now at hand. We have enough churches, and looking at the view of what you hope to accomplish..I may say you don't know who you're coming against. Church is a hot ground right now and if you don't have stature, the battle will sweep you away. You think this is about theology? That's so funny. This is about fighting a spirit, and if you don't have neccessary tools, u're gone.

A real soldier does not run away from the batle field. Yes i know its hot, infacts a very hot one indeed, just like buhary trying to takeover from mr president, u no it is not an easy one.But with God on my side, we wil surely overcome. i am a soldier of christ, establishing a church is just for me to have a base. so only d couragious ones is allowed to join me in dis batle. However, with ur canal eyes u can c so many churches, while wit my spiritual eyes i can only c a very few churches.

voltron:
@op this is a step in many right directions. Nigeria is entering a period of hell and damnation we need more churches

Thanks for your understanding, yes when you are putting on a white garment, and it has a litle dark stains on it, then that garment is no longer clean. And if nothing is done to it, the whole clothe will be useless. Godbless you.

ORIENTNIGERIA:
unfortunately, am trying to see who is the pharisee and Jesus you are referring to. Jesus never went to any theology school unlike the pharisees. am not here to argue with you evangelist. open your church, don't collect tithe . very sorry if I have sounded destructively critical.My theologist. wish you success in your new endeavour

Let the massenger alone, and focus on the massage.

ORIENTNIGERIA:
evangelist sir, don't misquote me. that you are setting up a church to tackle already existing biblical principle is rebellion! Cain and Abel represented the set of people that brought offerings to God. no matter how you paint theology certification to me, they are of the devil!

yes the pharisees also hv d same believe against Jesus, when he was going against dia religious law.

The Story Of Uzzah And The Ark Of The Covenant. 2 Samuel 6. 1-7 And 1 cron 13 9-12. As the ark was being transported, d oxen pulling d cart stumbled, and a levite named uzzah took hold of d ark. And d anger of God burned against uzzah, nd he strucked him down nd he died. Uzzah's punishment does appear to be a good deed. However there ar reasons y God took such severe action. Numb; 4, 15. no matter how innocently it was done, touching d ark was in direct violation of God's law, nd was to result in death. no matter how ur intentions might be, it must not violate the law of d spirit, which makes us christians. God knows hw to provide for d needs of his church. He is our rewarder, he have the whole world in his hand. 2 timothy 3,16. without controvercy, Great is d mystery of godliness. uzzah has forgoten that, that same ark hv been in d camp of d philistines, nd he defeated them and their gods, when he had finaly comes home, now u wanted to asist him. Christians should take a very good lesson from there.

oloriooko:
@ OP
I think you should work OMG your communication first (grammar) except your target audience is the unschooled.

Do not run errands you have not been sent.

Jesus died for the unshooled, the fool, and not for the wise, and educated.

haffaze777:
I would have join ur ministry but d fact u won't collect tithe spoil everything, I wanna be like da love-vendor ass nigga called orisha eat vegetables

Jesus said, in the book of mathew he who cannot forsake his wife, sister, brother, mother or even his own life is not worthy of me. friend, heaven is my tagets, am climbing a ladder that wil take me to heaven, any body who is interested can also join me. What Shall I Eat And Puts On? Thats the fear, that all these pastor have. thats y they insists on demanding tithes from their members. Do u know that my wife also made a similar comment above, when i brieved her about my decissions. she said how ar we going to get cope, an do this and this, nd how is my membes going to get money also? my wife too is a bornagain. Now u can see why the Holy scripture are turned upside. Jesus said how many of u that wanted to build a house without first finds the cost we nds his money nd we dnt wnt to carry his cross.

@orientnigeria, Lets me reply you quickly before i forget. Theology does not make me whats i am today, it is Jesus,his precious blood and his grace that makes me whats i am today. And that's why i will not allow that precious blood to be wasted in vain. I thank God you hv admited that paul also acquire some degree, but he never depends on it, after his damascus experience with our Lord Jesus. And thats why he never commands his follower to pay tithe. And thats y i will also never comand any body (christian) to pay tithe. 2.Cor,12vs7\ 8. But the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withal? for to one is given by the spirit, the word of wisdom, nd to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit. Also in vs 28. and God hath set some in the church, first apostles, prophet and (teachers).. teaching is one of the gift of d Holy Spirit. Now ar you saying that if i hv this gift, (teaching) nd impacting it on others, have comited a sin then the purpose of that gift is meaniless

Hmmm, @counsellorwise, thank you very much. Yes, every question have an answer. After my ordination, as an evangelist, i have read the entire bible for three (3) good times, when i decided to get more bible knowlege, 2;timothy 2.16. i proceded to bible school (I.B.A) it's an N.G.O. its does not depends on any church doctrines, but raw practical, undiluted words of God. 2. As i said earlier, if u red my post properly, my theological knowlege is not my bench mark, i depends wholly on the Holy Spirit, for his Impactations, Inspirations, Insights and Revelation. Now on the issue of tithe, u make mentioned of foundational doctrine and its unpalatable benefits. pls kindly explain. I did not called myself, a lots of believers does not evn know the meaning of christian or church thats where the whole problem lies. because Of Time, The primary purpose of every guinue child of God is to do the works of an evangelist. mathew 28; 19-20. go out there and teach all nations... Am not very good in typing, thank u.

Jeromejnr:
So you have decided to call yourself.

God help your ministry.

Am An Evangelist, I Also Graduated From I.B.A International Bible Academy, When I Decided To Upgrade My Self Theologicaly, So That No Body Will Be Telling Me A Story, Reparding The Holy Scripture. Having Said That, I Also Depends Wholly On The Holy Spirit For His Great Insight And Revelation. Holy Spirit Is My Best Teacher. 2timothy 3;16. God Bless You.

I Have Been To So Many Churches, Name Its, The Only Only Few Ones That Evn Preaches Rightousness Will Ends Up Colecting Tithes, At The End Of Their Sermon, I Called That Stealing By Tricks. You Can Not Help God, By Nolyfying The Precious Blood That Was Sacrificed On The Cross. He Have The Whole World, He Is Capable To Provide For His Sheep. Your Good Intentions Can Never Eliminate His Cross. No Wonder, There Are Many Churches Today, Yet We Cannot See The Evidence Of The Litht.And Where By Church Surposed To Be A Light.The Tru Gospel Can Never Be Swept Under The Capet. So If You Love Jesus And You Don't Want The Gate Of Hell (An Anti Christ Church) To Prevailed Over His Church, And You Resides In Lagos. Pls Kindly Contact Me h 08027271901 oremail me on. gnwaneri@ymail.com or nwaneri.george@yahoo.com Notethis, Any Church Thats Still Collects Tithes Today Does Not Belong To Jesus. Even If They Are More Than One Million, Jesus Never Know Them. I Wil Say To Them Depart From Me, U Who Practice Iniquity.

O foolish galatians, who hath bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus christ hath been evidently set forth, crucify among you? This only would i learn of you. Receive you the spirit by the works of the law or by hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? having begun in the spirit , are you now made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 3;1-3. Someone asked a question here on this forum, if he can find a church where they do not pay tithe, but to my greatest surprise they find it dificult to find one. Yes they are available, but very scanty.Many are called but few are chosen. The Wide Way And The Narrow Way.Jesus said to peter upon this rock i will build my church and the gate of hell will not prevailed against It.It is not every place where they Called, Lord, Lord Belong To Jesus.There Are Churches But There Is A Church. Therefore I Have Decided To. Establshed A Church Where Tru Christians Shall Be Worshiping God In Truth And Spirit. John 4; 21-24 And Where We Will Not Colect Tithe

@op, hmmm, i know how you feel, but that is not enough reason to abandon ur brethren. This is one of the reasons, why i said christians do not know that they are on a journey, and pastors too ar not helping matter. Since they continue to demand tithes, demand this and that, money, money, money. Then christians have abandoned their calls, nd began to run after money. haven't u imagine how the world ar celebrating dis so called men of God? they even boast about their clossness, nd relationship with d president, gorvenors and senators. Jesus said if they hate me, they will hate u too. The bible says a friend with d world,is an enemy with God. Jesus tell peter, upon this rock, i wil build my church nd d gate of hell wil not prevailed against it. It is not all church that belong to Jesus. Dia4 any church that collects tithes does not belong to Jesus. Even if they ar one million, Jesus never know them. Dia4 Iam Going To Establish One Here In Lagos Which Wil Not Colect Tithe. Email gnwaneri@ymail.com

frankyychiji:
I blame nobody but Gej himself. Next time, when he appoints an Inec chairman he would learn not to give him total freedom to do the job. Jega enjoyed such freedom to operate never witnessed in this country since the history of man. That's why he had the opportunity to pursue a northern agenda.o
#SackJeganow

But did he not benefited from him duing last election?

Truth24:
I just came here to type
#GejTill2019 #No negotiation

I promise you, in few weeks time you will burry your head in shame. Bet me.

Op, may God bless you for your great insight and revelation. There names wil even tell u, where they belong. Jeremiah 7; vs 12. But go you now unto my place which was in Shiloh, Where I Set My Name At First, And See What I Did To It For The Wickedness Of My People Isreal. shiloh too is a curse land.Yet oyedepo title a proprame, and called it shiloh. And people troops in their every year for prayers. why must a name of a man of God entered into the guiness book of record? is that what christ asked us to achieve? what happen to the book of life?