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Blue Magic: GEJ Jonathan is the biggest fool Nigeria has ever had as a president. Corrupt, incompetent, unsure, weak leader, insincere, clueless. Jonathan should be the one to resign

winniz: I said he should be given a Sack letter if he refuses to resign he should apply force. GEJ has the right to sack him after all OBJ sacked Ministers during his tenure and their was no process involved, so why would GEJs own be different?

me1234: God hv mercy

Gombs: The Teachings of Jesus

By the time of Jesus, the great moral principles God had given to Moses in the Ten Commandments had been turned into hundreds of ceremonial rules. People thought they were living holy lives if they just obeyed all those rules. But Jesus disagreed. He said people found enough "loopholes" to obey all the rules and still live wicked and greedy lives (Matthew 23:23-28).

Jesus made one statement about the Law that often causes confusion:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Christians have struggled to understand exactly what Jesus meant. At first reading, this seems to say that all the Old Testament rules and rituals must still be observed. But Jesus and His disciples did not observe many of those rules and rituals, so it could not mean that.

It is frequently pointed out that the term "the Law" could have many different meanings at the time of Jesus:

The ceremonial laws including "clean" and "unclean" lists, sacrifices, dietary restrictions, ritual washings, etc.
The civil law regulating social behavior and specifying crimes, punishments and other rules
The moral and ethical laws, such as the Ten CommandmentsThe Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible)
The scribal law - the 600+ rules formulated by the scribes that everyone was expected to obey
The Scripture as a whole

[size=16pt] Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses. [/size] He affirmed and expanded upon those principles, but He said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).

However, Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict scribal rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14,Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23).

Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11). [size=16pt] Therefore, Jesus was specifically teaching that the moral and ethical laws in the Scripture would endure until the end of time. [/size]

That would be consistent with His actions and other teachings. Through His teachings and actions, Jesus revealed the true meaning and intent of the Law.It is also pointed out that Jesus, Himself, is the fulfillment of the Law (Matthew 26:28, Mark 10:45, Luke 16:16, John 1:16, Acts 10:28,13:39, Romans 10:4)  The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross ended forever the need for animal sacrifices and other aspects of the ceremonial law.

@joagbaje, yeah, ethics and moral laws are principles of God, they are not abolished, and like u rightly pointed out, conscience and other yardsticks folks wanna use to justify their acts would ALWAYS end in error, the law is th e foundation of right and wrong. Folks esp anti tithers say the law is completely abolished, just to nullify tithing, but the fail to see that when Paul asked Timothy to study, it was actually the law of Moses, ethics and morals, not ceremonial cleasing or scribal law etc. They say the law is completely abolished, but they don't have sexx with their siblings or infants, just because "conscience" is at work, forgetting that terrorist who bomb up pple have the their own form of conscience, which to them is right... some folks who never had any form of upbringing thinks it is right to kill who ever pisses them off, that is his conscience...what then? It all ends in error without the foundation in the law....the laws of the western world were crafted outta tye Bible (laws of moses)...be it death penalty, laws against rape, inbreeding, murder, robbery etc. How then do we reconcil the fact that the law is completely abolished with the fact that its moral and ethical stance arenvery much operational today and acceptable to God?

And as u rightly pointed out again, the only issue with the law, the only problem with is was that it cannot bring justification for anybody... hewbrews 7:11 and 19, they said, the Law never made anything perfect, that's why Jesus had to come, to get us that perfection. No wonder he said he didn't come to abolish the law.

The fact is that we are NO LONGER under the law, simply because it made nothing perfect, not because it is not Good (paul said in rom7v7 that the law is not sinful, in other words, the law of God is not identical to sin)

I look forward to a wonderful session on this topic!

bolaino: my good sire, may the good lord continually bless you in jesus name, this topic is an excellent one, and I am very happy you opened a thread such as this. My brother, God is everything, you can not seperate anything from God, God is in the food we eat. The air we breathe, the water we drink, the music we listen to. God is just too big, you can not even begin to comprehend the magnitude of God. If you want to try to explain God's magnitude, you might Go mad, and my frustration with most christians is that they do not know who God is, they think that God is one small spirit who is wearing white and sitting on one throne.

Smh, if they know who God is, every single minute of their lives, they will be kneeling down and praying to God. I live my life for God. Like I've told my family and friends, as for me, anywhere God leads me I will go, if God says I should go and stay with the aborigines in australia and preach the gospel to them. I would run there this very moment, I dey fear God bros. Who no go no know, like my warri brothers would say. God is just too much. Words can not really explain the concept of God.

Thanks for the thread, it's a wonderful thread, may the good lord continue to put his words in your heart. I have been seeing your posts. And I really appreciate you my brother, I pray that God gives me the patience that he has given you. Cos I get angry when I try to tell people the messages that God has revealed to me about them, and they tend to take it non chalantly, I just pray that God doesn't take most of us non chalantly the way we take him, cos if he takes us non chalantly, na die be that ooo,

many people do not know the spiritual battles that God is fighting for them every second, and they will be in their homes, and be insulting our creator, by not obeying his words. It is well. May the lord help us all in jesus name.

stockish: Hmmmm! i m afraid with the rate Jesus Christ reveals himself and his second coming to sons of men these days. In dreams, visions, trance, comma etc....i 'm begining to think that his 2nd coming must be at hand now. What do you think?

Pastor Olu T: This kind of worship is purely Idolatry (same goes for others not just him), does it mean that there is no man of God in her country?

slap1: I didn't read where he threatened to shoot those that won't buy...that means it's not by force.