₦airaland Forum

Ekealterego:
It shows the difference in intellect.

9cloud Here is an account, This is by Captain John Adams (1823). He had a similar account with Crow, detailed but an earlier report on his Bonny exploration.

Once again, John Adams was beclouded by the sheer number of freed ibos he may have encountered in Bonny. which underscores his bias as being inaccurate. Saying it is " VERY PROBABLE"/ LIKELY" that ibos were original inhabitants of Bonny, underscores his bias as being inaccurate and works as unreliable and easily disprovable.
A more detailed account would have been referred than mere guesses. It shows John Adams was far removed from the realities surrounding Bonny. He wasn't even sure of his own accounts.

Omanambala:
Basically , you accept account that favors you and trash the rest. And , you think anybody will take you serious. If we use your approach then no progress will be made because everyone will bring texts that favors their arguments.

Ibos on this thread have been doing exactly what you accused him of. You guys are quick to discountenance the account of Crowther which was directly a testimony of King Pepple. From records, Crowther is one of the most reliable historical sources. There was hardly ever a controversy from any of Crowther's account from his journey to iboland as a missionary to his eye witness account among the Nupes.

Ekealterego:
Did you even read?

The languages were clear. They collected samples of other languages from people of those areas clearly.

More evidence!

More wetin?.. very watery evidence.
1. Your 1st screenshot talks about considerable dialectical differences among egboes regardless of how far away from home (egboland).
" when in a foreign country or away from their home all are Egboes". By implication, whether eboes are at home ( in Elugu) or away from home (in Bonny) are all Eboes irrespective of dialectical differences. Ibos, according to the author are one nation wherever they are away from home

2. The 2nd screenshot highlights the existential adaptation of ibos from the interior to the coastline of Bonny.
According to the screenshot; who, through " the force of circumstances" were " obliged to adapt themselves" to " the water and to trade" not in lieu of farming and hunting- ibos original occupation BUT " merely in addition to their other functions".

Ibos were forced by circumstances and were obliged to adapt to life in Bonny which is a totally different occupation from farming and hunting they were used to in the interior. Ibos were obviously settled in Bonny after the end of slave trading as could be inferred.

izac82:
The Kalabaris were great merchants pre colonial period. I wonder how they lost that leading skill today to other groups.

Colonial periods was characterized by power placements and artificial adjustments whereby minorities were shortchanged for the major tribes with large population and influence. Much of the gains of the minorities were erased and were made subjected to the whims and caprices of power shifters.

Jaja was himself a slave, made a foreman by his master. He acquired considerable wealth and rebelled against Bonny. He was however defeated and expelled. The two groups of slaves in Bonny were ibos and ibibios. That Bonny spoke Pidgin or broken ibo testified to the large number of ibos there. Other nearby Bonny villages continued to speak ibani and do not speak Pidgin ibo to this day.

Among the ijaws, there were trading ports both for slaves either merchants, where there were ibos and ibibio admixtures. The ijaws of Okrika, Bonny, Buguma, Abonnema, Bakanna, Nembe, Brass etc are ascriptive and assimilationist in their culture.
Ibos were welcomed into the household and never referred to as slaves, instead they were" people of the house" (wari bio apu). The Kalabaris never referred to the ibos who were assimilated as slaves ( even though they were). They were members of the household who had rights as the biological children of the chiefs and in certain circumstances had more rights than the children of the chiefs or head of household.
The riverine chiefs traded extensively with ibos. They have large plantations, special markets and even "colonies" within all parts of iboland, hence the " Kalabari beach" in Oguta, Imo state.

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ChinenyeN:
No, this would be incorrect. It's actually well established that the Amanyanabo system in Bonny comes from Kalabari. Okrika and Bonny adopted the Amanyanabo system by the 17th century. It is an Ijaw expression, not Igbo.

If truly you're ibo, your type is rare.

ThickSharon123:
What are you rambling about, why not give proof of Ijaw aboriginal pre civil war, or pre colonial period. I bet if you do so, they'll keep shut.

I don't know why you are fighting with your keyboard. It makes you look like you've got mental dissociation.

Swerve!

Ekealterego:
Brother, I have uploaded at least 10 docs from 1699 to 1840s showing the origin and trade relations in Bonny. Not one accounted Bonny as having Ijo origin but rather Igbo, all of them!!

No, Ijohs did not hold sway in Bonny nor Old Calabar, rather Ijohs were SLAVES as well.. The Ijohs were subservient to the Aros. I have uploaded countless books too with nature of the interactions between Ijoh and Aros too.

The areas around New Calabar and Krike were first multi-ethnic.

Also, if you read well, you will see the three different accounts from 1823 and 1840 and 1841 showing the King Amachree and King People were both Igbos.. They said this by themselves.

I know it is hard to unlearn years of belief in the Ijawcentric Algoa's account but we have known what the true history stated long ago. It is all there in neutral history books from Neutral accounts.

-Ijohs were slaves too
- Ijohs were subservient to Aros
-.Bonny is ibo origin.
Those afforementioned were the lies you spread around yourselves, very unfortunately.
Being a king of ibo descent in a town with visible ijoh imprints is never a proof of ownership. Ijohs are the kingmakers and have never being in denial of the ancestry of an ijawnized ibo to whom they bestowed their titles. Any other charade to downplay the ijoh- Bonny ownership is just a mere wankfest at ego tripping. I have taken my time to read over all the screenshots/ documents posted and I haven't yet seen a stronger conviction that has proven the contrary. I only see some keyboard-happy revisionists trying as much as possible to amplify alternative truths.

SlayerForever:
Some of these intellectual property needs to be trademarked.

Wakrike/Kirike is simply Nwa creek or creek. An Igbo product.


Originally forwarded by Sir Ekealterego on this day 29th of November, 2021 and shall remain in his name, devoid of forgery or distortion or theft.

You go fear ibos... You think you can distort unique identities of your neighbors just because you shared proximity and acculturation

Ekealterego:
What brought Ijohs there... Same accounts showed that Ijohs were brought as slaves there, including the Cross-River people like the "Otams".
The reason why Igbos were numerous was because they were the majority in terms of population from that area. They outnumbered every other group numerically by almost 10 to 1.

Again, the Aros, and Abams (who are Igbos) were prolific slave merchants.

However, most of the books that talked about the first settlers traced it to Igbos.

Ijoh are more relevant as they are the owners of Bonny. Ijohs are not slaves, rather, they are slaves merchants who served as middle men to European agents. The Aros are not exclusively ibos but a mix of both ibo and ibibio origin. The Aros are well known for slave raiding who raided and sold ibos to the ijohs who in turn delivered them in exchange to the Europeans agents. The Aros established a Confederacy over the interior ibo dwellers. They also sold a large number of ibos who were regarded as sacrifices or dedicated to the gods as punishment for their transgressions, markets and settlements were raided to keep a consistent supply of slaves. The Aros had treaties/slave trading agreements with the ijoh coastal dwellers as well as the calabar merchants who operated at Calabar port, which served as another port for ibo slaves. Bonny & Elem Kalabari are both ijaw towns that served as slave ports through which the Aros supplied a large number of ibo slaves.

ChinenyeN:
It's like we're saying the same thing here. You're simply rehashing my statement.



It seems you misunderstand the point of my statement. The point is simply this: Europeans, due to their extensive slave trading contact with Kalabari and then Bonny, were not ignorant of which groups from the interior. In fact, the Europeans did not need to venture into the interior to get information about these communities, because they could record all they needed from their dealings at Kalabari and Bonny slave markets. Between the 16th - 18th centuries, virtually every group within the Lower Niger passed through Kalabari and Bonny slave markets. Europeans purchased them, catalogued and documented them. These documents include reports and memoirs.



I've dived into this subject multiple times here on NL and also provided recommendations for people to use in researching these points. I won't debate this with you. Rather, I'll simply make the following recommendations.

Afigbo's writings within the Ropes of Sand serialization.
Talbot and Mulhall's works on Physical Anthropology in the Lower Niger region.
Akwaranwa's publication on the politico-cultural history of the Ngwa and Ukwa regions.

Facts are sacred.

bomb24:
low Iq clown, how can the language of the slaves be adopted by the aboriginals of the land is that logical to you? as tiny as the olukumis are in delta state totally surrounded by the aniomas they were still able to retain their language so why is bonny and opobo case different, to date there are no traces of ijo lexicons in there language but rather, there is a deliberate move by the ijos to change their language from Igbo to ijo language.. you need to stop living in denial the ijos were the latter to inhabit the land.

the Igbos were once and to-date rulers of the Islands you and your people can't isolate that history never! their language, culture and their written historical ties to the Igbos will forever burn your soul.

Bonny is a mix tribe. The culture and titles are ijohs. Slave trade brought ibos from the interior to Bonny. Mbanaso was installed as a king by his ijoh master. Olukumi have been igbonized even though they aren't ibos. The large concentration of ibos in a given area gives them undue advantage over the less peopled minorities.
The fact remains that the abolishment of slave trade in 1801 gave ibos the leeway as freed slaves in Bonny, prior to 1801, ibos were the largest supplier of slaves. It was for purpose of slavery that brought ibos to Bonny.

bomb24:
Kai kai induced rants. Igbos were slaves in bonny as you implied but script dugged out about 200 years ago contradict your statement. the language spoken in bonny is Igbo. the europeans who traded in bonny documented the Igbos as aboriginals and rulers of the Island while the ijos were documented as uncivilised race of men who dwelth in swamps reserved for pigs.

It doesn't matter that the language of the slaves was adopted as a lingua franca on a slave trading port?..
Ibos made up a large number of slaves supply.

The name of your forefather,Mbanaso, was erased by the ijaws and Jaja was imposed on him after he was brought as a slave. The fact that he was made a king and ibos were allowed to settle after abolishment of slave trade, with ibo as a lingua franca among the freed slaves, does not give you any rights to Bonny & Opobo.

Ibos are revisionists. Ibos were slaves in Bonny. No slaves have ever laid claim to a slave port. You were a commodity being traded at the slave port.
The merchants were the Whites while the middle men were the ijaws.
Opobo means male children in ibo- that's a lie. Amanyabo means bla bla bla- spare me that bullshit. You are only fighting a lost cause.

He was only dealing with Mkpurummiri addicts.

FarahAideed:
When we say Tinubu is bad market we know what we are saying
.just see how ashamed people are to be associated with him in daylight ..they only want to associate with him under the cover of darkness as lick his money .

The day Tinubu allowed two billion vans to drive into his compound in a bid to impress Buhari was the end of National Politics for him

What bad market?. It's pure hate from "you know who". When a group of comedians visited Osinbajo in Abuja, same hate-filled social-media crawlers tongue lashed the celebrities to start to dey shalaye why they visited the VP. Is the VP also a bad market?.
Hatred for APC won't stop the party in 2023.

BigSarah:
See I hope those accusing Igbos in the Ibu thread also accuse this woman's tribe of threatening her to change the focus and mission of that meeting,.

Anything you accuse any tribe of, check your self your tribe is guilty.

Honestly all Nigerians are the same, All tribes the sooner we see that our hypocrisy and bias is the same with us

She had to do it for her colleagues, knowingful well that ibos were already threatening Mr. ibu. She hasn't denied being a member of APC and would openly support her party's candidate as she did during the last election. To avoid the story that touch, she had to come to the defense of her ibo colleagues.

PaChukwudi44:
Why do you people always Assume everyone is in Lagos? Is Lagos even up to 10% of Nigeria's population)

Old man, you missed your math class.
what's 10% of 200million?... Mind you, the population of Lagos rose to 21 million from 20 million in 2yrs. I wish Sanwo olu can stop night migration into Lagos.

Kriss216:
After hypnotizing Lagosians, Tinubu and Good intentions shouldn't be in same sentence.

Just as he hypnotized your father to leave his old mother in the village and run to Lagos.

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BigSarah:
WE'RE saying the same thing the north voted as a single entity because of Gej desire to run two terms..

Trying to be smart by half. How would the North have voted as a block if there was no APC and how would there be APC without the SW.
Both North and SW wanted PDP out of power.

BigSarah:
Tinubu doesn't need the SE to emerge if the north fully supports him like they did buhar
Who created the PDP?
How many votes did the north give the PDP aspirants compared to buhari prior 2015?
The circumstances that allowed emergence of Buhari was borne of Jonathan's desire to run two terms as opposed to the agreed single term by ACF in 2011...
Nigeria didn't just start In 2015...

Ibu has given his reasons as an individual it doesn't concern his tribe, Ibu was contacted not his tribe, All these are silly statements..
Is Ibu the only one from SE that is linked to Tinubu?
Why assume that He was threatened because he clarified things

A little Education for you; Prior to 2015, the North had not been voting as a single bloc, likewise the SW. APC brought the North under a single umbrella as well as the SW region. Unlike the SE which has always been a single bloc.
The reverence of Buhari did not start in 2015, it has always been for ages yet lacking in forces until SW gave him the needed push.
As for Mr. Ibu, pls, don't ask me a rhetorical question. Everyone knows an individual with an opposing view could fall like a dead fly in the next minute.

BigSarah:
The only consequential region politically is the entire north.
The SE,SW are inconsequential politically
OBJ became president without the SW votes
Buhari became President without the SE votes.

Only one of those two regions In strong alliance with the north can produce the president ...
Without the north, southerners are inconsequential politically
That's a fact everyone must note and accept

But Buhari couldn't win with the North alone until the alliance with SW. The truth is SE is the most inconsequential of the regions. How much votes did SE give Buhari, so much so he came out to declare it a paltry 5%.
If you observed keenly, Tinubu has been touring both the North and SW vigorously with less focus on the SE. It's a pointer that SE is less significant. Perhaps, as election approaches, he'd visit the SE just to satisfy campaign purposes as Buhari did.
It's obvious Mr. Ibu received some threats from ibos. Caimpaign of blackmail, calumny & issuing of threats could turn out to be very disastrous for ibos. Everyone should be free to identify with whomever he deems fit.

isaiah4life:
Igbos are frontiers of development.

I'm not an Igbo guy but I just love igbos and their development spirit. Their value make government chase them with investment prospect.

End of the day, the engines would still be manufactured in China while the parts of the buses assembled in Nigeria as usual. Nothing new here.

omenkaLives:
Our ties to Cross River state is so strong sometimes one can't even tell us apart.

There was a time a VERY CLOSE relative of mine was to be made the 4th citizen of Benue state, but was denied the appointment after some punks wrote the governor that we're from Cross River.

It's complicated. I can imagine how tough a decision it was for the Governor himself considering the fact that place of origin is still very much a consideration for appointments. Such a close affinity could leave anyone confused. I hope you make efforts to ensuring you establish your igede origin in Benue to avoid future impediments.

pocohantas:
A good man is a good man.

You love him in life and death because everyday you wake, you see how much he would have made your life easier and I am not talking money.

Men like Sound Sultan no reach 17 for this whole Nigeria.

May his soul continue to rest in peace.

Media too dey deceive you. You need to up your game, move around to get more enlightenment.

omenkaLives:
We have our roots from Edo, and share very close cultural ties with Ala people of Cross River. Also share appearances with Igbos. Most people say I'm igbo if asked to guess my tribe from my looks.

I've got Igbo uncoes and aunts, though they're step siblings of my dad (paternal granda got married to an Igbo man from Enugu after her husband's death).

Fair enough, this settles it.

Born2Breed:
We all know the confused one with confused offspring's who fell from the sky and later trekked from Mecca.

Don't be confused my boy. Read up on the history of Ogiso. He fell from the sky, trekked to igodo to establish his kingdom over the modern day edos.

Read & learn my boy.

AreaFada2:
Igede are vibrant people in Benue State. They are Edoid people via Edo North to where they are now.

They have faced marginalisation in Benue and have had to be resourceful and smart to survive and grow. When squeezed between Idomas and Tivs, it can't be easy. It's same problem minorities face across 9ja. The so-called big tribes would very much like to totally swallow up minorities, a modern colonialism at local level.

They are increasingly reconnecting with their kilt and kin in Edo.

cc; God1000 Omenkalives
Never knew until this minute that igede have a shared ancestral link with both ibos and edo.. who goes with the ibos and who goes with the edos?