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AntiisIam:
Eru, this is Biblehub so show me where Messiah is been used

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm

Your problem is you probably think Isaiah the author of the book of Isaiah wrote in English.

He wrote in Hebrew, the word there is Messiah and the word has been translated to anointed in English.

But you refuse to learn

AntiisIam:
Eru-iku, but by now o ye ki oti ko oshi danu as you said to your father

I understand your pains and suffering and I'm fully ready to make your life useless for lying here

This is your own version of Isaiah 45:1




You inserted the word MESSIAH which is not found in any versions

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm


In Revelation 22:18-19, it says:

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.


May this curse be upon you and your generation for adding to the word of God

Guy, just like I said before, if I did not add to the word of the Bible, may the curse be on you.

AntiisIam:
Ahahahahaha mo ti tu asiri werey ara e, never in your miserable life add to the word of God..

May this curse be upon you and your generation for adding to the word of God

Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

If I did not add to the word, may the curse be on you. I won't curse your generation.

AntiisIam:
Aimoye anointed people but no one can save except Jesus Christ. Asiri werey ara e ti tu.. You can't add to the word of God, never

Below is Isaiah 45: 1 from all versions, none used MESSIAH so why adding to the word of God? Eleribu eru-iku

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm

Ko oshi danu!

Just make sure u don't spread this ignorance to your kids.

Oponu sowe nu

AntiisIam:
So abirun, there is only one Messiah ( saviour) and that Saviour is Jesus Christ

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm

You can't put your own word just because of your stupidity sogbo eru-iku

ASIRI E TI TU OLE



Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the Lord to Cyrus, his MESSIAH, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut

Your ignorance can't be cure.

I pity people around you.

AntiisIam:
Werey, try to stop this embarrassment you're putting yourself ati gbogbo generation e. Open the link and be set free olodo

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm#lexicon

Google translation can't give you correct meaning, just open the link I sent to you sogbo arinya omo

Omo yi go ju.

See wetin dey the link you send
Why are you dull like this?

Learn to take correction. No one is an Island of knowledge

superfemo:
Come

Ok na

How can I contact you?

AntiisIam:
Let me expose you further Eleribu

This is anointed in Hebrew לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮

This is Messiah in Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ

Shey won jor ara won dindinrin?


Click on below link to see Isaiah 45:1 in Hebrew

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm#lexicon

O ti daft ju

Engaging you is a waste of time.

לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮ this mean 'to his Messiah' while

מָשִׁיחַ this is just Messiah

Afofun gbemu

AntiisIam:
Abirun, but what you pasted there is not Hebrew rather English language.. O se wa dense bayii

Where is the word Messiah in the verse, why inserting your own word (MESSIAH) just to suit your stupidity odeh?

Oponu ni e

Messiah is not really an English word.
The Messiah there has been translated to anointed.

AntiisIam:
Eru-iku allahu, well sha Quran 46:9 ti pari oro bi igbesi aiye e se ma ri for following Muhammad the clueless pedophile messenger of allah.

Mo fe bo e ni asiri ni tele but o ti fi ye mi wipe ki oniro pataki aiye ati orun ni e and I'm ready now to expose you

This is your own Isaiah 45:1



You inserted the word MESSIAH to suit your stupidity. This is Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm

Where is the word MESSIAH therein? Bobo wait shey if you don't lie in a day for allah and Muhammad, you will run mad and die abi

Wetin u think the word translated as anointed in that verse be in Hebrew?

U daft gan.

Who go buy $13.6 PayPal fund from fiverr?

We go again
This is our season

COYG!!!

Dsimmer:
As long as you know. Elah has no double LL.

Also, the supreme creator, Olodumare (Eledumare) isn't asking for Pedophilia and terrorism like the depraved Arab pedophile Mohammad did but rather, what Olodumare expect is integrity/righteousness and also making use of one's intelligent creativity to improve one's community for the better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world.

Also note that Yoruba aren't slaves to any Arab Allah. Yoruba are freeborn (Omoluabi), not slaves! Let alone to any foreign Arab deity called Allah.

As a matter of fact, Mohammad was a depraved Pedophilic Arab terrorist man who muddled up the Jewish history which had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering Jacob and Jacob descendants are not his ancestors! Granted he had to write about the Jewish history because he had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors but then again, why muddle up the names and events of the Jewish history?

Don't even let me get started about the 72 Virgin nonsense.

Alright Sir.

AntiisIam:
Nibo la tun jasi bayii lowo awon eru-iku allah oo..

So who is the Messiah here? Hope you won't say Cyrus


I won't expose you yet for inserting the word Messiah just to suit your gullibility and stupidity but I want you to answer the question first before disgracing you

NOTE: I stand by it that you will never see anyone bearing MESSIAH except Jesus Christ

Ibi ti o ba wun e ko jasi, u fit jasi koto sef.
If that passage is not clear enough for you to see the Messiah there is Cyrus, maybe u should start attending English classes.

You want to expose me? Na bro, u'll only expose your ignorance here.

That fact that the word Messiah has been translated to anointed does not mean it can't be translate back to Messiah.

Attached is the translation of the Hebrew word used in that passage.

RightChannel:
The reason why Jesus Christ is the only MESSIAH and the reason why Messiah means Saviour was the work he accomplished by saving humanity from the bondage of sins. He surrendered himself to be crucified and resurrected so that we can inherit eternal life after death

No problem.

I don hear you, that's Christianity understanding of his mission.

Dsimmer:
Elah is not Allah. Elah has no double LL. Sink that into your brain for a start. Just like Isa isn't Jesus name. It's Yeshu (Jesus) from Yahweh.

Also the supreme creator has a begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) who's the visible manifestation of himself. As a matter of fact, What Olodumare (Eledumare) expects from humans is integrity/righteousness and also making use of their intelligent creativity to improve their community for the better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world📌

Alright. I don hear you.

AntiisIam:
Wobi, many people are bearing masih as you could see from the one you shown but [b]no one is bearing Messiah except Jesus Christ. What you'll do is to search for the meaning of Messiah and not Masih

Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the Lord to Cyrus, his MESSIAH, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut

RightChannel:
You got this from:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_(name)#:~:text=Masih%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD%2C%20romanized,%2C%20meaning%20%22anointed%20one%22.


Take a look at this from the same website

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah#:~:text=al%2DMas%C4%AB%E1%B8%A5%20(Arabic%3A%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD,both%20Arab%20Christians%20and%20Muslims.

It says Liberator or Saviour of a group of people! Even Britannica said the same thing

The mission of a Messiah might be to liberate or to save some group of people. But the literal meaning of the term is "the anointed".

The reason why I said what he can argue is that Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save but not that an Arab does not know the meaning of Messiah.

While the Jews believe that mission of the Messiah is to unite all Jews in Israel, bring universal peace and annunciation of a world to come.

The Christains believe the Messiah in his first coming is to save humanity by dieing for their Sins and come with a host of heaven in his second coming to establish a kingdom on earth.

Muslims believe his mission in his first coming is to guide the children of Israel and make lawful to them some of the things that were unlawful, and bring peace to the world by killing a certain Anti-christ in his second coming.

RightChannel:
Give us the site or page you get this your definition from.

I went through Wikipedia, Britannica even Arabia dictionary, they used words like Liberator, Deliver, anointed king, savior of a group of people

What exactly were u looking for on Wikipedia, Britannica and Arabia dictionary?

FxMasterz:
The One who is anointed to save.

And you think an Arab is not likely to know the meaning of Messiah?

Do you realise Hebrew and Arabic are somehow similar?

Messiah simply means anointed in both languages.

What you can argue is Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save. Messiah does not mean anointed to save.

Hebrew and Arabic have a common root, the reason why you will find some of their words to be similar.

Shalom - Salam - peace
Ebed - Abd - Slave/Servant
Elah - Allah - God
Messiah - Masih - anointed

FxMasterz:
They even accept He is the Messiah but gave the term Messiah their own meaning.

Can you give your own meaning to a word you did not create? Fraud!

"A word you did not create?"
What is that supposed to mean?

And what is the correct meaning of Messiah?

Kingsempires:
so which servant was isalah 53 talking about

Isaiah 53 is about Prophet Jeremiah.

SIRTee15:
So since Qasim won't take up the challenge, let's close the case and move to another topic.
Summary
We have been able to prove without any iota of doubt that
Ancient Judaism believed in the divine Messiah.
Ancient Jews believed a Messiah is coming who will die for their sin according to Isaiah 53. They call him the redeemer.
Daniel 7 and 8 is reference to Greece and desecration perpetrated by Anthiochus Epiphanes.

Thank u

If this is your summary, I now understand perfectly why you are a Christian.

- U take Isaiah 53 as a prophecy about Jesus despite the fact that the suffering servant of Isaiah 53 is supposed to have offspring. and Isaiah 53 is at loggerheads with Psalm 91 a confirmed prophecy about Jesus.

- you agree with some "concensus of scholars" rather than the prophecies of prophets in the Bible.

- you use your Christian understanding of some terms like "Son of God", "Son of man" to claim divinity for Jesus in ancient Jewish writings.

But make we no finished all the discussion on this thread.

Enjoy your day bro.

SIRTee15:
Drop it, U now sounding like a crack cd.
U want to delve into history. Which history? Are U better than bible scholars when it comes to history. They already told U the 4th beast is Greece and I agree.
The 4th beast had 10 horns representing kings. One of the king usurp the authorities of 3 others and invaded the holy place.

This is what Anthiochus did, he killed the incumbent, made sure the heir to the throne was trapped in Rome and later killed his joint heir.
Hadrian that U are pushing had no problem becoming emperor and had nobody challenged him to the throne.
He wasn't even among the first 10 emperors of Rome, he was number 15.

Daniel also said in the next chapter that the goat who desecrated the holy temple had ten horns and the atrocity was committed by the 4th one.
He called the goat greek empire. What more evidence do U want?
The great horn on the 4th beast couldn't have been talking about Hadrian. Titus even fit the picture better- he destroyed the temple, sacked Jews and called himself Messiah. But the problem is he did all those as a General and not Emperor.

This case is done and dusted. Argue with bible scholars who are natural historians.
Let me bust your next lie...
The prophet Moses spoke about.

The prophecy is not even about Hadrian. I only gave you Hadrian as an example of Roman emperor that desecrated the temple mount.

The real deal is Constantine with his blasphemous mouth he used to chant "homoousios" at the council of Nicea.

Kingsempires:
you just dey give am evidence, tell am make him bring in own evidences too

dey there dey shine teeth. I go use prophecy wound you and your champion.

SIRTee15

For the 4th kingdom.

It is a common knowledge the Romans overthrown the Greeks

Abi make we still delve into history mixed with some prophecies?

For the 3rd kingdom

Daniel 8:20-22
The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.

Historically, Alexander the Great was King of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon. He came into power in 336 BCE. He overthrew the Medo-Persians. He died in 323 bce with his empire descending into chaos, eventually splitting up into four stable but weaker power blocks: the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, the Seleucid Empire in the east, the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor, and Macedon.

SIRTee15

Daniel 8 tells us about a vision which occurred sometime after the dream of the statue in Daniel 2. This vision is said to have taken place during the reign of the Babylonian King Belshazzar. The vision informs us of a powerful two-horned ram which will emerge on the world stage which will only be defeated by an even more powerful goat. This goat is said to have a prominent horn that will eventually split into four smaller horns.

in Daniel 8: 15-20 angel Gabriel interprets the dream to Daniel that the ram with two horns symbolises a combined kingdom consisting of Medo-Persians.

The two-horned ram is an excellent symbol as the two horns represent the two powers of the Medes and Persians who united under Cyrus the Great. Daniel saw the vision of the ram in the third year of the reign of Belshazzar (about 550 bce) which happens to be the time at which the Medes and Persians united as allies.
According to Daniel, the Medo-Persian Empire
represents a single animal, a single kingdom.

We already know the first kingdom to be Babylon. If we go to Isaiah 13: 17-19 and also Jeremiah 51:11 we have another prophecy about how God will stir up the Medes to overthrown/destroy the Babylonians. When Isaiah and Jeremiah gave their prophecies the Medes were an independent nation unlike when Daniel had his vision when they are a combined nation with Persia.

Therefore kingdom 2 is medo-persia.

SIRTee15:
Quote the verse where he said above. And what empire is the 4th according to Daniel?
I can't see where Daniel mentioned Greece in chapter 7. Greece was mentioned in chapter 8 and not directly related to the 4 beasts

You can check Daniel 8 :20-21

SIRTee15:
So U rejecting the consensus of bible scholars?
Are U saying U know better than bible scholars?
Note these are all atheist bible scholars and not Christians.

Answer this question first and then I will go back to that passage and prove to U that the passage is about Greece and Anthiochus Epiphanes and Jesus Christ.
It can't be about Rome or Hadrian or Muhammad.

Consensus of scholars can't know more than Daniel that identified the 2nd and 3rd empires as Persia and Greece.

Kingsempires:
men were are you getting your news from so when did Christians persecuted the Jew ? Stop making noise that Islam nation was the fourth nation the was in the vision of Daniel after all do you know how the crusaders also fought against Islam ☪️

No, Islam nation is not the fourth nation, Rome is the fourth nation.

Of course I know about the crusaders and all their evils in Andalusia and Jerusalem.

Kingsempires:
Is the need of arguing with Qasim.there are many statement that he made here that shows that he knows nothing about history.he just said that it was the islam that brought jews back to jeruselum after hadrian expell jews from entering jeruselem .men!!! Nothing were i never see for nairaland.

Lol

Yeah, the Muslims brought them back.

When the Romans became Christian nation they continue to persecute the Jews. To spite them the Christains use temple mount as refuse dump. It was the Muslims led by the 2nd Caliph Umar that clean it up and allowed the Jews back in Jerusalem.