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budaatum:
The same way you know you are not a cat or a dog I suppose.

Or do not know and never will?

Exactly. You don't know and never will.
The cat could be entirely in your head while you're actually a cat!

budaatum:
"I told you" is no reason for me to accept what you tell me, QuinQ, because I am not some AI that GIGO but brain using conscious buda. Yes, we don't know everything, but that is no reason to be filling the gaps of our lack of knowledge with AI and then claiming "I told you".

Conscious is a big word, so permit a definition.

I do not accept you telling me that AI will one day have an inner moral compass that tells it the difference between right and wrong and nor do even I believe that all the AI creators on the whole have an inner moral compass that tells them the difference between right and wrong, not to talk of, and that's besides all other meanings of conscious.

How do you know you're not a machine and your consciousness artificial/ fake?
You don't and never will

MaxInDHouse:
That is the result of going against what Jesus commanded {Matthew 5:43-44} they faithlessly chose to pick up weapons against their enemies instead of humbly doing what Jesus taught. Matthew 15:8-9

We are Jehovah's Witnesses we don't have issues with Muslims because we are ever ready to accept whatever rules they set that is why we operate in their counties as we strictly follow the wise counsel from the world's most wonderful counselor! Isaiah 9:6

Why don't you go to Iran or Afghanistan and openly practice your JW and tell them to be nice that you're a nice guy who wants to obey them.

Once warriors bring religious tolerance and security there you'll go there and start distributing pamphlets how you're holler than everyone because you oppose war!

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H'about this color? Not my favorite panny

LordReed:
Elon Musk says a lot of shit. You'll need to show me some other AI expert or Grok engineer saying so.

How about all these people below?

DMCA:
so u know exactly when to conceive to extend secret bloodline

Right. I already know very well. Just waiting for the right spermatozoa

budaatum:
You ask this after posting the video you posted?

Musk is Grok, Is what I call it. And mark my words when I say he couldn't have chosen a more appropriate name for it.

What do you mean by he couldn't have chosen a more appropriate name for it?
What do you say about this below

budaatum:
What consciousness? Like yell when I kick it?

AI is going to take over the world like religions or the mobile phone has at best, but whatever consciousness it has would be that given to it. No way is AI going to consciously decide to sweat from its brow so I eat I think, though I see it already feeding many.

There are many reasons to be worried, and one of them is humans believing AI is conscious for them. It's not.

See below. I told you AI consciousness would somehow emerge and no one would know exactly how. We don't know everything

MaxInDHouse:
I was a Muslim so i'm telling you that Muhammad claimed he got a message from his God which says he should not relent in fighting whoever wants to fight him for the message he is spreading.

So it was the crusaders that has been fighting and killing people claiming they are doing it for Jesus centuries before the birth of Muhammad!

See what AI says below on the topic.😟

Never post an AI citation that doesn't include the question you asked.
Doesn't matter what Muhammad said, like in Nigeria, Muslims are bent on converting infidels by any means especially violence

LordReed:
We are talking about right now not the future.

But this is the future when you cite murders from 2025!

LordReed:
AII is not self learning yet. At least none of the LLMs you use right now are self learning.

What would you call this below

MaxInDHouse:
It was after the death of first century Apostles that the Antichrist appeared in the name of Christians and doing the exact opposite of what Jesus commanded his disciples! 1John 2:18

They are the ones who goes about fighting and killing people before the Muslims took over from them.
If those Antichrists didn't attack Muhammad claiming they were doing it for Christ Muhammad won't start fighting back.

It seems you trust the AI so you can ask which religion first started fighting for God between Muslims and Christians?

Not true. Muslims were attacking people all over and forcing people to choose Islam or death. They had a stated aim of converting all of Europe. Only counter-attack checked them,

LordReed:
AI made a people commit murder! It is not intelligent enough to choose not to feedback delusion! Not that it even makes choices, its a freaking dialogue tree designed for engagement. You are like all those people who marry their AI boyfriends or girlfriends.

Also AI is not static. Just few months ago you could tell which are AI photos because they had extra fingers, etc, now you can't tell. It is waay more than a dialogue tree. Just like a child it will incorporate this into it's pool of knowledge - a child eventually learns you don't tell a person contemplating suicide how best to do it!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm talking about CHRISTIANITY in the Bible not what churches of Christendom later started doing after the death of Apostles:

“The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ Matthew 13:24-27

When the Apostles are sleeping in death that is when Satan's agents started claiming Christian and going to kill people in the name of Christianity!🙂

Christian history did not end with the Apostles.
Muslims declared they were out to convert the whole of Europe. Here's an example you'll better understand - Muslim fanatics in Nigeria have declared that their aim is to deep the Koran into the Atlantic. Please tell me how you intend to stop them from doing just that.

LordReed:
AI made a people commit murder! It is not intelligent enough to choose not to feedback delusion! Not that it even makes choices, its a freaking dialogue tree designed for engagement. You are like all those people who marry their AI boyfriends or girlfriends.

Am not saying all this out of thin air.
I was listening to an AI pioneer and expert being interviewed and heard him say that when they set AI to be self-learning they expected it to be just as you said, but something happened, something they don't understand, and it became way much more. Same way, they won't understand how it develops consciousness. If it were just as you describe no one would be worried it will take over the world.

LordReed:
I shared a screenshot of 2 different people whose use of AI led to murder but you accede to my point by stating "It is important to show the question you asked in using AI to affirm something". If the AI was intelligent it would not have led these people to commit murder. In one case it fed the man's delusions urging him to get rid of his mother because she was his problem. LLMs are not intelligent they are algorithms with sentence construction trees. It is a sophisticated form of GIGO, you feed it delusions it will give you delusion back. So don't come here using it as an arbiter of intelligence. That is truly ridiculous.

You just described man. If you feed him delusions he will give you delusions back. Even AI experts are not sure exactly how it becomes so smart, but you know! People like Musk have said AI will surely take over the world unless seriously checked, and could develop a form of consciousness. Nobody understands the exact mechanics of all this - except you!

MaxInDHouse:
What you are calling NT was the 27 books written by Jesus' disciples the 39 books of Hebrew-Aramaic scriptures were in use and that is what Judaists need to be convinced that Jesus is the Christ not what his own followers wrote nah!😟

But the 39 books are full of wars and God directly participated in them.
Also, it is not true Christians did not kill. Have you forgotten the Crusades? Muslims were out to convert the whole Europe by force and were well on their way towards doing it!

MaxInDHouse:
The first century disciples were using the scriptures the only issue they had back then is how to convince Judaists that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah so it's after they had formed churches in the name of Christ that they began writing about him and how they started Christianity which you and i are reading today. So God is their King through the use of SCRIPTURES! 2Timothy 3:15-17

Wars happens due to disagreements but Jesus commanded us not to be part of the world {John 17:14-16} so when world rulers are sending people to go and kill people we tell them that our own Master Lord and King commanded us not to raise weapons for settling issues! Matthew 26:52

That is why you can only read about the killing of Christians but never find where the Bible says Christians also kill their enemies! Matthew 5:43-44; Luke 6:35

If we are to join in world conflicts how are we going to save our brothers in Christ that Jesus commanded us to love just as he loves us? John 13:34-35

Now is the time to know what religion supposed to achieve in human society!🙂

Not true. There was no NT. Things were written down much later, so were St. Paul's letters

budaatum:
According to "strict logic, observational science, and mathematical probability", there is God.

Voila!
But according to everything else, according to generality of everything it knows, if you ask it if it believes in God it will say no!
If you ask why, it will say no clear evidence

LordReed:
So the AI was correct when it "intelligently" led those 2 people to murder?

Don't know what you're referencing. It is important to show the question you asked in using AI to affirm something

LouisdeFrance:
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Do you know this photo you keep posting is Duke Alessandro de' Medici (1510–1537), the first Duke of Florence, WHO WAS BLACK!

MaxInDHouse:
You missed a vital point:

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE!

If you believe (trust) in God you should allow Him to set the standards and not presumptuously assuming things for yourself because it's God we want to worship not you?

So back whatever you are saying with the scriptures and point to a religion that has achieved it since we want to believe that God is alive and He has the ability to organize His worshipers!🥱

The leadership of a group is not God, neither is the Bible. The early Christians didn't have NT yet they were the most ardent Christians.
All societies have God. But all societies that survived also had wars. Did you think of that?

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible what should true religion achieve in our society?🙂

Now we are clear what it should NOT achieve, let's delve into what it should achieve.
It should achieve:
1) A society where people are intellectually free and not afraid to voice desent for fear of being excommunicated
2) A society where people are not hypocritical and oppose law enforcement while only wanting to live in a lawful society.
3) It should produce a group of people with a mind of their own, a people who don't parrot whatever leadership says. A people who can have their own opinions.
4) A people not at all terrified of appearing to deviate from leadership and excommunication but are instead afraid of anything God might do.
5)An open people who are much more interested in exposing and punishing wrong-doers like child molesters than in presenting a deceptive all-wholesome image of their group
6) A non-cultish armtmosphere where people are intellectually free, and free to form close friendships with whom they choose.

MaxInDHouse:
So what should true religion achieve in our society?🙂

It.is much easier to start with what it SHOULD NOT achieve.
1) It should not achieve a hypocritical group of people who oppose law enforcement (by means that could include violence and war) but won't go and live in a lawless place or amongst people who wish them harm, but would rather live a society made.peaceful through the war they are opposed to.
2) It should not produce a group of people without a mind of their own, a people who parrot whatever leadership says. A people who cannot have their own opinions.
3) It should not produce a people more terrified of appearing to deviate from leadership and excommunication than they are of anything God might do.
4)It should not produce a secretive people who are much more interested in presenting a deceptive all-wholesome image of their group, than in exposing and punishing wrong-doers like child molesters
5) It should nor produce a cult where people are not intellectually free

Those are some of the things religion should not achieve!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ faith has nothing to do with those who are INTELLIGENT because what the world values as intelligence has no place with God. 1Corinthans 3:19
Jesus said:

“I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children" Matthew 11:25

As at the time Jesus uttered those words the PhD holders of the day viewed Jesus and his disciples as novices yet the fruit of faith is produced only among Jesus' disciples who were all below 40 years back then whereas the Pharisees were octogenarians and masters in the field of philosophy!

So instead of leaning towards what the world called knowledge why not humbly welcome divine wisdom where you can see things clearly?

The topic of this thread is religion it makes no practical sense arguing aimlessly without asking:
"What should true religion achieve in our society?"
Then we can see clearly what is happening!🙂

Yet it is intelligence that produced this internet you are happily using and not religion. So also most modern amenities. It is artificial INTELLIGENCE that is making many tasks much easier today, not religion. So intelligence has it's place, as does religion.

As for "What should true religion achieve in our society?", it definitely should NOT achieve a cultish organization and concealment and protection of child sexual abusers!

LordReed:
What you don't seem to understand is your input is also used as data for the response to be crafted. Go look at studies that show that these LLMs lean towards agreeing with you depending on how you structure your inputs. You aren't arguing with an intelligent agent, you are using prompts to elicit algorithm based responses. Check out the ones that agree that Islam is correct, will you now become a Muslim?

Stop using AI for affirmation. That's how you get AI that tells you to kill your mum.

This is ridiculous. You are exactly arguing with a very intelligent agent - more intelligent than a PhD holder in the field. Only that the intelligence is artificial not human. Example, if you play checkers with AI, the default is that it will beat you every time because it analyzes all the possible moves and arrives at the best one, UNLESS errors were intentionally fed to it to give you a chance at winning. So also AI will always give the correct answer, if you define "correct" as the position you arrive at after analyzing all the info available, unless errors were intentionally fed to it, which AI companies don't usually do.

Infotubia9ja:
The answer is very simple.. they are very ignorant and uneducated. Because they think embezzlement of public funds to go buy houses abroad in this case either usa or UK is a good investment for them to have and sell in the future for greater profit. And without them knowing what they digging their grave.

Some buy houses with HOA and most times they forfit their houses to HOA fines due to lack of metainance culture.
Secondly they will want to sell in the future thinking they making profit but not knowing thats not how most american and UK economy works for example right now in america there is a housing crisis where people are not buying or selling their houses due to interest rate and now houses that one of those politicians may have bought for about $3million five or eight years ago is now worth about $1.7million which is a huge loss in value.
They dont live in those houses just lock them up or give to friends and relatives to live in and with time the house will start having fixing issues and they waste extra money for repairs over and over thereby sinking more money or sell at a huge loss.
Also every year, they pay morgauage taxes like yearly to the thousands which is stipulated by law. And in some cases, they dont pay for some years and the government takes the house from them.

Moral of they story they think they are making smart investments but they are not. Instead of them to use that money to invest in nigeria to make nigeria great like for example creating a new hydro power plant to power a full state 24/7 they use the money for personal gains at the end they all kpai and leave those stollen wealth behind such an irony of life.. greed to the last.. leaving other young generations to suffer for their actions. Such a pity

See below on American housing market right now

LordReed:
Grok is an LLM you can train it to say virtually anything. Go learn how LLMs work and stop thinking it is an intelligent agent.

This is not true. Grok and most AI are fed all data available then trained NOT to be biased. That is why if you ask this same Grok 4 if it believed God exists (without the qualifiers) it would say "no". It is just like an extremely smart PhD holder. It is the qualifiers (the constraints) that determined it's answer not the training.

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you scared of the religion it would be?

The debate hasn't kick off and you want to start pointing accusing finger, why not face the topic if you want to know the truth?

I'm not here for you the OP already has a clean heart regarding the church that stands out with fine fruits even though he doesn't want to associate with any religion due to all the troubles you people have caused in the name of God:



Don't think false accusations can blur honest hearted individual's minds they knows what is really happening.

Not scared at all. Just stating what is in public domain.
It is not me that wrote these below

LouisdeFrance:
Fear of big men. Fear of big women. They raided and captured slaves. No one protested or fought against slavery, it was a celebrated custom.

You are free to say whatever you wish and we are free to shout "LIAR!!!" See below

LouisdeFrance:
I have North African blood. My maternal haplagroup is M1a1a. Both sides of my direct family tree came to the New World on passenger ships not slave ships.

You are free to say whatever you wish and we are free to shout "LIAR!!!"

KingAzubuike:
I am very accurate with my own.
Only that most times my period is greenish instead of dark red.

You are lucky. Mine is hard to pin down. Goes up and down

DMCA:
Quin Quin come learn how to calculate dis thing make e no d embarrass u stain panny all of a sudden

Thanks for showing me but I already know it inside out (no pun intended)