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MaxInDHouse:
Have you forgotten that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Obviously you just don't want to hear the truth!🙂

Meaning what exactly?
Bottom line, under no circumstances would Jesus have been participating in atheist-run NL as you religiously do!

tctrills:
Your position on the matter is getting much weaker.
Remember you said,
You obviously don't get depression. There is no "choose" in depression. But a strong blast from the sun opposed to being prolongedly in a cold, damp environment can be the difference between suicide or not

Exactly, it can (CAN!) be the difference. Hence LiGHT (sunlight) therapy is used to cure SAD (which we have determined contributes to some suicide). I didn't know I put it so brilliantly

MaxInDHouse:
You can't dictate what i should or shouldn't say i'm here because that is exactly what Jesus will do.

Calling for Christianity has automatically invited me!

How come you don't attend any of these churches that call for Christianity, hypocrite!
Nobody is dictating anything. I've severally said nothing is wrong with what you're doing.
Just stop lying that that's what the Lord would have done!😗

tctrills:
From Grok

SAD accounts for about 10% of all reported depression cases in some estimates.

So clearly this is never the main cause of suicide in the west, not even close.

"Accounts for" is different from "probably contributes to" . That's why in football you not only count a player's goals, you also count his assists!

MaxInDHouse:
For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son! John 3:16a

God gave us Jesus not to only Jews so he must speak with people no matter what you think and he can enter any house as long as the householder invites or welcome him.

If i want to do anything else apart from faith it must be with Jehovah's Witnesses the only thing i do here is talk about FAITH!

You can do whatever you wish eith whoever you wish, just don't say that's what Jesus would have done. Who invited you to NL? There are things Jesus would NEVER do. Participating in NL as you are doing is one of them!🙃
(His knowing it is also run by an atheist pushes it beyond impossibility)

tctrills:
You have not been able to show that weather has anything to do with suicide rates.
Using the US as case study, it is impossible to look at the 50 states and conclude that weather plays any meaningful role. So, I advise we present the other more recognized factors because we both can see any pattern when looking at the weather

See your answer below. Note that the cure is what we have naturally here

MaxInDHouse:
This is not a temple o it's called "SOCIAL MEDIA" with different features since it includes a section having to do with the Christian faith Jesus will surely be interested!

It is not about social media, and it is not that what you're doing is wrong. It is about you saying what you're doing on NL is what Jesus would have done. There are things Christ would never do no matter what. One of them is going to Jupiter temple even if they have a section for Christians. Another is going on NL everyday, knowing fully well it is founded and wholly owned by an atheist!

eherbal:
you wey go school, show us your certificate. Do you know the meaning of scorned, or you just want to be relevant in here?

I'd make easy 4 ya. Sleeping with your wife while also sleeping with another woman, there's no "scorned" involved. Refusing a female's advances to you to date her - that is scorned

Richtaiwo:
Street criminals are rarely a convincing advertisement for their chosen “career,” which makes one wonder what the attraction is supposed to be. A casual look at most arrested criminals tells a consistent story, permanently hungry expressions, faces that look like they lost a long argument with soap and water, clothes that seem to have survived several disasters, and an overall scruffy, unkempt presentation.

To crown it all, they usually appear painfully poor, both in appearance and, regrettably, in intellect. Nothing about the package suggests glamour, success, or even basic comfort. So one is left with a genuine puzzle, what exactly is so appealing about crime, when its most visible ambassadors look like walking warnings rather than role models?

Just imagine how irritatingly weird these ones appear, like some scary characters in extremely horrible horror movies. Very dangerous species of creatures.

You forget Tinubu and the Donald are also criminals

tctrills:
This your theory is extremely complex and impossible to explain.

I mean, how come New York and New Jersey have lest suicides than Texas and Florida

This is like asking why Texas and Florida had much more slaves than NY and NJ. Because there's more to suicide than just weather. But all things being equal, you have SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) in cold, less-sun weather, which triggers or excerbates depression, which is the leading cause of suicide!

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't know the meaning of John 3:16 which says "God love the world (including atheists) so much"

God's Temple does not belong to the Pharisees all Jews have equal right inside it but despite their deceitful teachings {Matthew 16:6,12} Jesus still honor the invitation of Pharisees {Luke 7:36} mainly to teach sincere ones like Nicodemus among them {John 3:1-2} even though they are worshiping Satan unknowingly! John 8:44
These guys claiming atheists only knows the lies Christendom Churches taught them that's what they always complain about if any of them focus on Jehovah's Witnesses Organization there wouldn't be anything to argue about but when they say "Christians" they are accusing all Bible users whereas they need to know the differences.

Listen to an atheist:



But out of frustration he doesn't want to have anything to do with faith in Christ or God anymore because of all the things they had experienced not among Jehovah's Witnesses but in the churches of Christendom.

So to show them love i am here as they want to know the truth about Christianity but when they divert to any other thing i exempt myself just as Jesus would do!🙂

Priblem is, your understanding of the Person of Lord Jesus seems limited or confused. He went to synagogue to teach, a place He called "my Father's house". Mention one instance where he went to a pagan or Roman equivalent of synagogue (temple) to teach

tctrills:
You were comparing Alaska to California. But even when you use this method you are now advocating it still doesn't work for you. The south does not have the lowest suicide rate.

I mean, compare West with with West (which includes Alaska), East with East, etc.
But it's a phenomenon that has a mame - SAD!
End of story.

MrSly:
Nothing at all. One man's hell could be another man's dream paradise.

But we're not talking of one man. We're talking of a trend

eherbal:
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

She wasn't scorned. Go school, u no gree

Zehdbe:
i dey feel like to burst cry right know

Take am easy. Don’t go do something bad to yourself. Also, check your blood pressure. It is only a whole almost once-in-a-lifetime African Cup of Nations!

MaxInDHouse:
Section is titled "Christianity Etc" which means the atheist is inviting those who knows about Christ so Jesus will surely love to teach them what Christianity is all about just as he did with Pharisees!

Pharisees were Jews and worshipped in same Synagogue as Himself. They were not atheists and He went to a platform wholly owned by them everyday!

MaxInDHouse:
If not because of matters relating to faith do you think someone like you can have the opportunity to talk to me?

Well i'm here talking to all kinds of people because of faith and of course Jesus interacted with gentiles a lot due to their faith!🙂

Stop being dishonest with YOURSELF. It is perfectly ok just don't say it is because that's what jesus would have done. The Lord would never have been found anywhere near a platform wholy owned by an atheist. On what basis exactly?!

FAT FO*OL.
Profiling kee you there

MaxInDHouse:
It's really disheartening when people try to accuse someone for being honest with them.
I told you that you can't find any of my posts outside the faith section so if i don't respond to your invitation don't be offended or think that i don't like you.

But what have you turned it to?
It's as if i committed a crime responding to your invitation.

Well Jesus only get in touch with people outside his group when it comes to the matter of faith.
That's exactly what i'm doing here!

This has nothing at all to do with commenting on my thread. I did not expect you to comment. I only included your moniker just llike others.
The issue is that you said you're doing it because that's what Jesus would have done, and that is NOT true. Christ did not even interact with Gentiles. Jesus would never have been on a platform like this!

Uchesis:
Well Nigerians believe that God is very merciful and so he will forgive them even after committing all those atrocities you mentioned.

But you need to be alive to ask for forgiveness na. because no repentance in the grave

You get it now ba?

You'd have been right if depression and suicide were based on logic and reasoning

chudez0147:
This is staged abeg. All this content creator sef

What do you want them to do? People want constant NEW contents EVERYDAY. Only way to meet demand is to create content. If you don't do it another blogger will and before long you'd be history!

Kingsley34:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kHWGR9Gvr4&pp=0gcJCU0KAYcqIYzv

And in this day of desperate, rampant content creation we're just to believe u based on a grainy one-man video?

Kobicove:
People will just be lying anyhow...

How did she know they were Fulani boys?

Because they looked like this below and speaking Fulfulde!

MaxInDHouse:
Both correlates. Guidance and control may sound different now because you want to be sincere with the rendering as you found something like that in the Bible but would you have agreed that a member of a religion who insisted on marrying a fellow member of his church or on bloodless surgery even at the point of death is guided and not controlled?
Well in the world we live in today people always use both words interchangeablly depending on how they want it to sound in the hearing of their audience!😟

When friends and family pressure you into marrying just because it is societal norm, though it is not what you want, how is that "positive guidance"? Isn't that the perfect definition of coersive control??

triplechoice:
I suggest you use the word, "guidance" not "control". Using "control" not only makes you sound like QuinQ, but it also renders your argument invalid.

Positive guidance, regardless of its source, is not the same as "coerce control". Guidance consists of suggestions or instructions for acting in our own and others best interests. Coerce control, on the other hand, removes agency and autonomy.

If you equate the two, you are effectively saying God is a dictator who strips us of free will to control us like zombies. There is no evidence this is the case. In fact, evidence points to the opposite: deeply religious people sometimes live troubled lives, while many non-religious people live well-structured, ethical and happy lives without submitting to any god.

This is the puzzle you must unravel, not by citing more Bible verses, but by engaging with observable reality.

Please explain this: How can millions of people who do not follow your religion live happily, act ethically, and contribute positively to society?.

If , as 1 John 5:19 states, "the Evil one controls the whole world" and if Satan's nature is purely destructive ( John 10:10), then how is any good produced by those under his control? . Your church theology creates a contradiction that scripture alone cannot resolve.

I will acknowledge this; you understand the biblical perspective better than QuinQ, as seen in your more doctrinal reply. But please do not confuse divine guidance with coercive control. Why would God give humans free will only to forcefully override it? Upon reflection, that makes no sense.


My central question remains unanswered: What observable, non-biblical evidence supports the idea that coerce control ( something must control a man) is a universal necessity?

Until you can provide that evidence, your position remains a doctrinal belief, not a demonstrable truth. You are describing a worldwide you hold because the Bible presents it, not because you can point to independent verification that the world actually operates on a strict " God or Satan" control mechanism. Belief is not evidence.

Metrix147:
Source: https://abntv.com.ng/news/igbokwe-family-thanks-nigerians-for-support-solidarity-during-burial-of-late-dame-peace-igbokwe/

Without Peter Obi the burial is nothing to brag about. Just enter house

triplechoice:
I appreciate the scriptural references you have provided, but they do not support the original claim I questioned. In fact, they illustrate a complete misreading.

Jeremiah 10.23 is about guidance, not coercive control, "something must control a man". The prophet is expressing humility and a request for divine guidance. "Lord, I know I cannot navigate this alone, please direct my path". This is the plea of a believer within a relationship, asking for wisdom, not declaring a universal truth that all humans are mindless Zombies who must be externally controlled.

To equate a request for guidance with the necessity of coerce control is to confuse partnership with a prison.

Mathew 12. 43-45 is a metaphor about habit, not a literal law of spiritual occupancy.The human mind is not a literal house.

The parable is a powerful metaphor for the human psyche. It describes how an empty passive mind, one that merely "cleans house" without filling it with positive purpose, is vulnerable to failing back into old, destructive patterns ( the seven other spirits). It is lesson about the danger of spiritual or moral emptiness, not a literal description of demonic possession. To use it as proof that a non-believer's mind will be " taken over by Satan is to ignore its literary form and psychological insight.

So, none of the passage supports the original sweeping claim, "something must control a man". a state of being acted upon. What you have provided are verses about seeking guidance and the dangers of an empty life.

Guidance is something one can accept or reject. Coerce control removes agency. QuinQ spoke of the latter. You have provided examples of the former.

What we observe in the world are billions of individuals who do not practice Christianity, yet live well-structured, ethical and productive lives, contributing positively to their societies and families. According to the logic you've presented these people must be under the control of the destructive force described in the Bible. This leads to an absurd conclusion, that the kindness, scientific innovation, justice, and love demonstrated by non-believers are the products of Satan that by biblical definition, "comes only to steal and kill and destroy". This is not a coherent or credible explanation for observable human goodness.



Therefore, my question to you and QuinQ is; Where is the observable evidence that humans cannot be Seif-governing agents, and that coercive control is a universal necessity?

Thoughtful and erudite.
The evidence is hiding in plain sight. The quotes below will give you idea what they are. The prison is society itself!
Also, if you believe the Bible is true, Jesus clearly said He is the ONLY way to be reconciled to God, the ONLY way to salvation. He Himself! NOT good works or living a good life!

MaxInDHouse:
You are now going to the extreme!


According to that verse no human can live safely without guidance from God that's why the wise man said:

Trust the Lord completely, and don’t depend on your own knowledge. With every step you take, think about what he wants, and he will help you go the right way. Proverbs 3:5-6

A follower of Christ Jesus word says:

We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:19

This means that there is no one who is completely free from control it's either the person subjects himself to control from God or follow the worldly trends which belongs to Satan according to Jesus no one can sit on the fence:

You can enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell is very wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there. Many people go that way. But the gate that opens the way to true life is narrow. And the road that leads there is hard to follow. Only a few people find it. Matthew 7:13-14

The guy you are discussing with may not know it deeply as i'm explaining now but the truth remains that something must control a man.
Why?
Because we live in the human society where we try to blend with common trends so only those who are subjecting themselves to God's will can escape Satan's snare! 1Peter 5:8

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
He sent us out to engage everyone in discussion about FAITH! Matthew 28:19-20
So i'm here just for that!🙂

Amazing! You really think Christ would be on a platform wholly owned by a self-proclaimed atheist??!! Wow, you must not be talking of Jesus of the NT. Mention one thing of Rome Jesus participated in, would not even touch the money!

MaxInDHouse:
If a Pharisee invite Jesus for a feast do you think Jesus will honor the invitation?

If Jesus honor such invitation do you think he will say a word beyond what he always get involved with which is faith?

We have a lot to discuss with people that is why we are going to their homes so if an atheist now call for Christians to come and discuss about faith in God do you think we the only true Christian organization shouldn't participate?🙂

You are comparing with the Lord. If Jesus were on earth today, do you think He'll come anywhere near this platform?
Case closed!

princeade86:
Trump is overdoing things.

I don't think so. I think there is a method to his "madness". When he first talked of Greeland people laughed. Now they're in talks to buy Greenland!
I think there's a reason God didn't allow his assassination

First define "side hustle". Olosho-ism can be side hustle, so can making deliveries - both of which pay

LordReed:
I mentioned my case because in the event where proper diagnosis cannot be obtained it is easy for many believers to switch to spiritualising the situation and claim it as a demonic/spiritual attack in contrast to my approach which was to dig into the medical knowledge base. We see this type of response over and over again.

Because at core everything is superstition (see the quote below) - as long as we don't know what this is all about or even wether we're dreaming!

SIRTee15:
Christianity or any other religion without intelligence leads to superstition.
Christianity with intelligence gives us sound theology. Christ himself said a sick man needs to see a doctor.

This is what apostle Paul was trying to explain that led to him being vilified and called names. Prior to Paul's letter, belief system and traditional practice are inseparable. what u eat, drink, how u sleep, what u wear defines your belief.

Paul was the first person to declare that your faith is independent of your tradition or custom. Your faith must be separated from superstitious believes that are largely influenced by your traditions and cultural practices.

All what Paul was saying is your FAITH should be independent of the traditions of your ancestors. It's ok to follow the traditions of your ancestors such as circumcision or dietary rules BUT those things should not define your faith because those traditions are filled with elements of superstition that beclouds the sense of rational judgement.

In the old testament, God instructed women on their periods and people with open sores not to visit the temple. There's a reason for that- it's called public hygiene.
why should we continue such practice now when wound care has improved and most women have no issue with personal hygiene during period. so why should we continue to say women on their period shouldn't come to place of worship.

This is what Paul was trying to open the eyes of people to see and understand, but we all know how it ended up for him. He was attacked by fellow jews, beaten up and jailed. he is now the convenient scapegoat for muslims and even some ignorant Christians have joined in saying Paul cannot be trusted.

To your case...
It's common knowledge that when a child complains of recurrent tummy ache, a well trained doctor will request blood test which will include coeliac test. A good doctor will also think of food intolerance including lactose and gluten.
This has nothing to do with superstition at all but good medical training. sorry your daughter had to go thru such ordeal b4 finding relieve.

SIRTee15:
So powerful Romans abandoned their own gods that gave made them a powerful empire and made them ruler of the whole world to start worshipping an invented god linked to an insignificant group of people called Jews.
So the Romans decided to elevate the God of the Jews above their own gods, yet the God of the Jews couldnt prevent the decimation of the jews themselves in the hands of the Romans.
The Romans beat the jews blue black twice- 70AD and 135AD. They sacked Jerusalem and banned the Jews from their own land. Yet Romans decided to elevate such the Jewish deity that couldn't save his own worshippers from defeat and decimation. Not only that, they now decided to invent more stories about this deity.
pls make it make sense for me.

It's so obvious u lack knowledge and understanding of how the ancient world works. In case u dont know, ancient people abandon their own local gods to embrace 'powerful deity' if their own local gods seems too weak to save them.

😆
Exactly what I've been trying to tell both his monikers. It's like someone put something in his brain then locked it!