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Kholiwe:
You are finally empty after your Messi has been exposed.

Better PR
Best Agent

What else?

Exposed?

More ballon d'ors, more fifa world bests, more golden boots, more trophies, more goals+assists.

Opinions posted on the man utd thread on Nairaland don't matter in the scheme of things. Messi is leading where it matters and he is two years younger.

Kholiwe:
Typical Barca fan.

Messi has benefitted from playing with better players,same system,one club,one league and a stable environment all through his career. Stop being an asslicker and use your brain.

Stop being a slowpoke. Ronaldo has benefitted from playing for better managers.

Besides, he has the better PR because he has played for the most popular, successful clubs in the world. And he has the best agent again.

Without Ronaldo's PR, there would be no rivalry.

schurley:
He is register, deep lying sweeping ghen ghen artificial striker

It's regista not register. Your ignorance is showing

Kholiwe:
1 I don't care about your argument neither did I tell you about Messi role

2 Ronaldo in that all conquering Barca team will demolish all football goal records. David Villa was enjoying such benefits when playing for Spain and banging In goals on a regular and he is not up to Ronaldo toe nails.

3 Messi had enjoyed playing with the better players,Same club,same system and a stable team through out his career more than Ronaldo.

Yeah, Ozil, Alonso, Rooney, Scholes, Kroos and Modric are average players.

If Messi benefited from having better players, Ronaldi benefited from having better managers

schurley:
So better coach now equates better players

A good coach can make even slightly good or average players play like world class. Ferguson did it consistently with Man utd. Having a good manager helps a player to play at his best.

Karleb:
They've both had good and horrible managers.


The last good coach Messi had was Enrique the last one Ronaldo had was Allegri.

Lol.... this is dishonest.

Ronaldo has had Ferguson, Mourinho, Ancelloti, Benitez, Allegri, Sarri, Zidane, Pellegrini. That's 8 coaches who have won major trophies without Ronaldo. 4 of them won the UCL without him.

Messi has had Rijkaard, Pep, Enrique, Vilalnova, Martino, Valverde, Setien and Koeman. Only a few of them have won major trophies without him. While none of won champions league without him.

The gap between both group of managers is extremely wide.

Kholiwe:
Ronaldo in that Barca team will demolish all goal records keep quiet and Messi has played with the better players,same system and a more stable team all through their respective career.

Why are you avoiding my argument?

1. Ronaldo couldn't have played Messi's role in that team

2. Ronaldo has had better coaches and managers. Do you agree?

Kholiwe:
Bollocks. Messi has enjoyed playing with better players all through his career than Ronaldo. Add in that factor. Put Ronaldo in that Barca side and he will shatter all football record.

Ronaldo will be able to play as a false 9 in a tiki taka side? Passing and dribbling in small spaces? That's patently false...

And besides, Ronaldo has had better managers. Ferguson, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez have all won the champions league without Ronaldo. None of Messi's managers have won the UCL without him

shedo4sure:
so Messi that forced Eto, Henry, Villa and Zlatan to the wings was really a playmaker in that team? I guess Xavi and Iniesta were strikers then.

Do you know the meaning of false nine?

And you are still avoiding the issue of assists. I wonder why

schurley:
Anything that make your prick erect

Ronaldo is the undisputed goat

For your mind... anything that makes it sleep at night

6 ballon d'or, 6 fifa world best, 6 golden boots.... we're clear!!

schurley:
According to their goal per minutes, Ronaldo outscored Messi both Laliga and Cl competition for the entire 9 years in spent in the Canaan land (flowing with milk and honey)

Messi played deeper than Ronaldo during his time in spain. In fact, messi was usually the main playmaker of his team.

Maybe that's why you are ignoring assists?

benji93:
I am a Messi fan too, but this argument has a very weak foundation. It doesn't really matter when you started making waves. In the end it's your career against mine. I mean i could be struggling through my formative years, then just explode. So the 13-year-old argument doesn't hold water.

But people use it as a point against Messi. That he had it easy because he started at Barca.

They forget that Messi started at Barca because he was already good at 13. So it was not by sheer luck he made it to Barca at that age, so why criticize him for that?

LostMyZeal:
Imagine....you no even know your personal Lord & saviour well enough

What the hello are you talking about? I'm honestly confused

Karleb:
Let me just pretend I didn't read this.

Yeah, because you have no rebuttal

Karleb:
Ronaldo started his career in sporting libson.

Messi started his career in Barcelona.

Remember that the next time you bring up this 2 years older argument.

Is it Messi's fault that Ronaldo was not good enough to make it onto a big team at 13 years old.

That's how you know who's the best, one has been making waves since 13, the other had to wait for a few more years

schurley:
1. Ronaldo Cl goals tally in Real was just slightly higher than his figure in United, compared to his astronomical goal increase from 20+ in the Epl to consistence 40+ goals in the Laliga

2. You are the one very clueless and still arrogant with with your cluessness, Real Madrid was in shambles before the arrival of Ronaldo in 2009, infact they were Perennial Uefa Champions league Round of 16 or Quater finalist team at best, despite their galatico signing and Owambe unveiling party, with little to nothing of domestic league sucess. Meanwhile Manyoo were on steroids winning the league three times in a row, with back to back Champions league final appearances. So that narrative you want to paint will not fly.

3 The premier league is the most competitive league thereby difficult for attackers to be pulling outrageous nubers. Ronaldo proved Laliga is easy. He scored most of his goals in Laliga, in the time frame he scored more goals than any other Laliga player... Ronaldo has the best goal ratio in Laliga history.. He left with the most hatrick until Messi recently broke his record, he was the first player to reach 200 goals and 300 goals in Laliga history... it was only in Laliga he scored more goals than the number of games played. 60%-70% of his career goal came in the osho free league, you guys always use Messi to brag about.

4. So no one gave Ronaldo goat shout too, Sir Ferguson, Diego Simeone, Maradona, Zidane, Mbappe, Halaand, and the didn't idolize Cr7 and called him the best?.... I guess the brain is just for aesthetics and decoration if we can't argue for or against with sailent point. My opinion does not matter but yours is the judge and jury?

1. I see you are not very smart. How can anyone say Ronaldo's goal tally was just slightly higher. In man utd, he scored an average of 5 goals in the UCL per season. At madrid, he scored an average of 11.6 per season.

That's more than double his average at man utd but according to you, his goal tally was just slightly higher. It's obvious you dont know maths.

2. Real madrid won the la liga two out of the three seasons before ronaldo joined. The three seasons after Ronaldo joined they won, they only won once.

And it was not Ronaldo that improved them in champions league because the season he joined they were eliminated by ordinary Lyon in the round of 16. It was after Mourinho came that they started making the semifinals.

Ronaldo was there for 4 years without winning the champions league until they added bale and modric and they won four UCLs in five years.

Those are the facts. Your propaganda has failed.

3. It's incredibly foolish of you to compare the goal average of someone who played his whole career, including his teenage years in a league to someone who only played in the league during his prime.

Salah has a better goal per match average than Ronaldo in the EPL, does it mean Salah is better than Ronaldo?

4. I'm not saying no one gives Ronaldo goat shouts, but you cannot compare it to Messi's. You even have Ronaldo's former teammates and man utd legends call Messi the goat. Rooney, Scholes and David Beckham all recognize Messi as the better and greater player.

This is a link of legends choosing between the two:

https://www.givemesport.com/1559110-football-legends-who-have-chosen-between-cristiano-ronaldo-and-lionel-messi?amp

Here is another link of Peter crouch asking past and current EPL players to choose between them:

https://www.givemesport.com/1559110-football-legends-who-have-chosen-between-cristiano-ronaldo-and-lionel-messi?amp

If even EPL players can choose Messi over Ronaldo, then the truth is in front of you but you cannot admit it because of sentiments.

And that's completely okay, we will admit it for you

LostMyZeal:
Look how you conveniently left the "hypocrite" part


Oya...do you think Messi is a hypocrite


Make I know if you dey fear God

No, I don't think he's an hypocrite. Or is there a definition of hypocrite I'm not aware of

schurley:
Why was he not hitting the 40-50 goal marks steady in England as he was doing in Madrid, note, Cr7 role shifted from be a midfielder in 442 formation to a right wing forward RWF in his latter years in the United shirt, so spare me your long sermon about playin auxiliary foward or locomotive inverting forward, the facts still remain out of all the leagues Cr7 played in Laliga was the easiest for him in terms of goal scoring. His game to goal ratio solidify my argument, even after leaving the league in two years he his still the only player with the record highest hatricks, whilst playing there in just 9 years.

As for playing with better players, i should be made to believe that, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Evra, Berbatov, Ferdinard, Roy Keane, a team with the likes of Diego Forlan, Saha, Tevez, on the benchwere inferior, a team that won 3 epl on a roll, and a back to back Champions league finalist before leaving were filled inferior to Real Madrid team?

You have no case! The Spanish Laliga is a league with lower quality in defence, were you can be scoring 40 goals per season for 6 years, without go slow or holdup. It maybe the best league (due to the Barca and Real factors), but it's never the most competitive league in the world. Even Ibramovic confessed to the competitiveness and rigor of the Ep when he had like 10 games goal drought in the league.

@ your last statement, maybe cemented in Camp nou because outside there, even in his hometown he is just a one of Argentine good forward with nice stats which 60% are from friendlies, Barcelona club legend, i reckon but greatest ever, even Messi be angry at you, for such fallacious statement.

Woe to Bartholomew, I'm eager for Messi to come and destroy the Epl

Omo! This your rant no just follow at all. Lemme try to make sense of what you said and rebut your points one after the other:

1. If Ronaldo's goalscoring tally improved in la liga because of shitty la liga defenders, why did his goalscoring also improve in champions league after his move to real Madrid? Make sure you answer this please.

2. Are you seriously arguing that Manchester United had a better team than Real madrid? Because if you are, you are clueless. Real Madrid bought two recent world bests in a transfer window to a team that was already star-studded. The only thing Man utd had over real Madrid then was Fergie.

3. With regards to your claim that EPL is more competitive, competitiveness does not connotes quality. Or is the Nigerian league better than EPL because it is more competitive?

4. And I'm not the only one that called him greatest ever, people like Klopp, Rooney, Henry, people that their opinions matter in the football word believe that he is already the greatest ever.

So you can throw tantrums if you like, the people that matter mostly consider him the GOAT, your opinion doesn't matter outside nairaland

LostMyZeal:
They're stats ofcourse

Fraudulent stats accrued all through his stay at Barcelona while he was busy faking his retirements and making empty promises upandan

The strange thing is....Your Messi is only just a Barca Legend

And even if he ends up winning the World cup...it will never mean shii to me...FIFA actually wish they gifted him the World cup ...but the world is watching

But I wanna ask you just one question

Do you think Messi is a fraudulent hypocrite?

Answer honestly

How is he fraudulent. He has played in the best league in the world and made it his own, has distinguished himself in champions league and is the record goal scorer for Argentina.

He is the most prolific goalscorer, most precise passer and the most effective dribble in the world.

If that's your definition of fraud, you should probably change your dictionary

LostMyZeal:
Tell that shii to the fvckin birds

There you go.... tell 'em

If you can't counter my points...na you sabi

Counter your points? The goals, assists, individual honors and trophies I mentioned are what then?

schurley:
Is not only goat shout, what about Ram shout.

Mtcheew, a Perennial failure losing 4 straight finals for his country, annually been disgraced from the Champions league for 5 years in a row, 2-0, 3-0, 3-0, 4-0, 8-2, by Athletico, Juventus, fucking Roma, Liverpool, and Bayern respectively.

If Maradona and Pele were serial loser like this, would they be tagged as goat.

Before bringing the his goals assist, most dribbles, most legover into the argument, note this Laliga is a shit league for a good players to stat pad which Ronaldo did conveniently, with the best goal ratio per minute till date, scoring hatricks for fun.

I'm sure if Ronaldo remain in the Epl with is paltry 24, 27 league goals per season, Messi would be call his daddy, but look at how Ronaldo started recording 50 goals conveniently for 5 straight season in the so called best league in the world.

Messi is a great player, but shoe get size, Maradona and Pele didn't become a serial winner to be compare to some Laliga kingpin ooh, nuff said.

Anyone saying la Liga is a shit league is obviously ignorant.

Most UCLs and Europa leagues, better head-to-head against EPL teams and boasting of the best players in the history of the game.

Ronaldo's goal tally increased in la liga because of two issues:

1. He started playing with better creative players, Ozil, Alonso, Di Maria, Marcelo, benzema etc.

2. He started playing further forward

You want proof? Ronaldo's goal tally also increased substantially in the Champions league. Or is it la liga defenders that are in champions league to?

You can cry all you want but Messi's status as the best of the best is practically cemented.

afrodoc2:
It is mainly because of that. Those who never watched Pele but grew up in the 80s usually say Maradona is the greatest. Those who watched neither but grew up in the 2000s and 2010s say Messi (or CR7) is the greatest.

I didn't watch Pele but after much research and consulting Otem i would say Pele is the greatest because he dominated at all levels both with individual honors and team titles.

There is a difference between greatest and best. Messi with his serial failures at international level and impotence in crucial international finals can't be greater than Pele. He might be better skilled but he is definitely not greater than a serial winner like O Rei.

Your argument is valid although I don't agree completely.

Pele played at a time when football was not that competitive. Players were not as physically fit as they are now, and it's easy to distinguish yourself when you're surrounded by mediocre or average athletes.

Besides, Pele played for very good teams. Brazil was so far ahead of others that they were able to win the world cup with Pele injured all through the tournament.

That's why I think Maradona is superior to Pele because he played in a competitive era.

For me, Messi is not only the best ever but the greatest ever because he has delivered outstanding performances consistently for almost 15 years and counting. He has the highest number of individual honors and his statistics are superior to any player.

No player combines all the facets of attacking- scoring, passing and dribbling like him. He was already getting GOAT shouts as far back as 2011 at 23 years old. By the time he is done with his career he will probably have the highest profile ever in football

LostMyZeal:
Ahaaa....no wonder you're polluting this thread with yeye bias


Your Messi should never ever be compared to CR7 in any fvckin way...cos he's a fraud...and that is evident in his last 4 conquerous years in UCL


CR7 all through his career had to do things under enormous pressure and he handled it quite well
The man was not or I should say is not as Loved as Messi most likely cos your Messi appears gentle and CR7 is perceived to be arrogant.


Your beloved messi has had to make empty promises in his career with real and fake retirements in-between
If baba is not blaming the grass on the pitch he's blaming the ball because it is too light or he's blaming his teammates....and such a person is supposed to be a leader

If Messi is not a hypocrite ....why would he say the conmebol were hell bent on favouring Brazil over Argentina
But when he had xavi and Iniesta with Guardiola coaching them and FIFA was helping them do Ojoro upandan ...he enjoyed the fraud


Messi is just a cry baby that throws unnecessary tantrums when he is not favored cos he prolly thinks football revolves around him
And then he fools people with his calm demeanor...whereas; behind that fraudulent face, there's this outburst of arrogance begging to be unleashed



Don't ever compare that Hypocrite called Messi with the Likes of CR7 and Ibrahimovic... it's fvckin preposterous

Same way no one should ever compare the fraud called Guardiola with the likes of Klopp and Mourinho


#dropsMic

Lol... this one is just a pained CR7 and Mourinho fan.

Messi has more goals and assists than Ronaldo while playing over 100 less games. He has more trophies and more individual honors

But at least you have drop mic

LostMyZeal:
Let's all pretend Like the Messi and Guardiola era in Barca was not a well arranged fraud in Football


Fraudiola and his squad of con men mostly rode on the bias of FIFA in favour of Barca


The biggest and most obvious act of fraud in Football was perpetrated by Pep in 2009 UCL and Chelsea was the victim....not to talk of the sending off of Pepe in 2011 UCL
where Madrid was the victim



It is for this reason that no reasonable individual should ever take Messi and Guardiola seriously.... because they were backed by FiFA and there wasn't much pressure on them


We all know the clear winner of the 2010 Ballon ...but


Why I dey shalaye sef


Long story short....Messi and Guardiola are the two biggest frauds in the history of football

Most fraudulent player
Most fraudulent Manager


If e pain you...you know what to do

Lmao.... na you e dey pain now. Players, coaches and journalists all over the world voted Messi as the best player in the world 6 different times but one boy that has lost his zeal is claiming fraud...

You can claim your fraud from now till Jesus comes, it wouldn't change the fact that Messi is recognized as the GOAT by most of the people that matter

TrebleChamp:
Michael Owen also won Ballon d'or, your point again?

Yeah, Owen won the ballon d'or because he was ridiculously good that year. Same for messi who was ridiculously good without needing xavi and iniesta

Expert17:


You don catch am for corner...

Werey wan run

Lol... don't mind him.

They know how to troll but Whenever you bring superior arguments, dem go wan dodge.

Melvyn11:
Stop crying in my mention please.

Shut up... if you want to cop out, say it with your chest. Maybe I will have mercy upon your sorry self

Melvyn11:
K

Keep dodging. Ode

TrebleChamp:
Messi will struggle in the EPL, dude hasn't even won any major trophy minus La liga since Xavi and Iniesta left Barcelona..

But he has won the ballon d'or. The individual honor

Leyqute:
LooL. Nice.

You get sense pass randomperson

Werey... la liga is the better league. The facts and statistics prove that. No one cares about your sentiments

Melvyn11:
That's why King Ororo will always be superior to the fraud. He dominated two leagues with two different clubs and different players winning every single Individual and collective awards along the way unlike a certain Barcelona midget and Argentina failure.

Lol... keep consoling yourself.

No one cares about Melvyn's opinion.

But we care about the opinion of someone like Rooney who has played with Ronaldo and is his friend but still believes Messi is the better player. Not to mention the many others who believe same

Melvyn11:
Keep your silly questions to yourself.

Lmao!! Werey dey disguise

You yourself know that Ronaldo is a flop for portugal in finals.


So on an individual level, messi has performed better than Ronaldo.

Thank God for Eder in Ronaldo's life sha