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Unlimited22:
All of una just dey here dey shout La Liga like say e pass Madrid and Barcelona wey them Wan go. Those clubs are the biggest in the world at the moment. Who wouldn't want to move to the biggest clubs? How many players aspire to move to Valencia or Sevilla?

Here you have City, United, Pool, Chelsea, Arsenal and even Spurs slugging it out. Let's be objective, please.

Atletico was second in LA liga last season, they are three points behind barca this season. Sevilla is third.

Sevilla has won more European titles than all the EPL teams combined in the last five years....

Sometimes competitiveness is just a sign of mediocrity

odizeey:
with ojoro

Failures always give excuses... which ojoro? When a club like Liverpool is using an idiot like Karius in a UCL final..

odizeey:
later got emotionally abuse by Roma who were later given Hiroshima and Nagasaki treatment by Liverpool

And Liverpool were bleeped by Madrid.... Checkmate!!!

odizeey:
like Chelsea raped barca and messi legs were shaking that he couldn't score pk. And Mr Germany's team was man handled at his house.

Barca has raped Chelsea many more times... just last year, Courtois was spreading legs like a rumor for Messi...

Messi's record against English teams- the best of them- is brilliant

eph12:
Because they have the world best players for the last 10 years. Without Messi Barcelona is nothing. RM have received that memo already.

Excuses and excuses...

How come they always have the best players.... Even the best players end up moving to LA liga...

The simple answer is that they are the better league so they attract the better players

airmark:
Yes to play for the greatest club in an easier league.

Ronaldo won best player twice in EPL and only once in LA liga despite playing longer in Spain. He only won LA liga twice in eight years...

The tournament Ronaldo dominated, epl clubs were there looking like dundies

odizeey:
who wouldn't want to move to an easy league.

Easy league? And they keep raping English teams anyhow?

eph12:
In the last 10 years, if not for Barcelona and RM, England would have had 5 ucl while Spain 2, Italy 2.

Why would you remove Barcelona and real Madrid? Which Kain reasoning be dah one? Omitting Spanish teams in a comparison between English teams and Spanish teams

Orisirisi

eph12:
In the last 10 years, if not for Barcelona and RM, England would have had 5 ucl while Spain 2, Italy 2.

Why would you remove Barcelona and real Madrid? Which Kain reasoning be dah one? Omitting Spanish teams in a comparison between English teams and Spanish teams

Orisirisi

airmark:
They saw better clubs to play for in a less-competitive league. That's why Hazard also wants to follow suit.

Please tell Guardiola to bring that fido dido dm to epl.

Chelsea don't want to release hazard but he wants to move to Madrid in a better league with superior quality...

Here's the question you've all been avoiding since morning:

Why is it that all your best players want to leave for LA liga and none of LA liga's best players want to move to EPL?

patrickmuf:
Forlan, was the one cleaning the dust at Old Trafford with his ass but he went to LA Liga, not Barca or Mardi but Villareal and later Atletico and man, didn't he dominate? If he had played for Madrid or Barca, he'd be hitting 100goals a year...

Forlan is one guy... There are many more examples of players bossing EPL and flopping in LA liga...

You're yet to give an example of a highest goal scorer or best player in LA liga that left for the epl

timbros:
How?

More European titles, better head to head ratio, and better players...
How many times do I have to say this?

timbros:
1. Liverpool played Sevilla in the UEL final. One team improved by going on to play in the UCL final, one team continued in the tier 2 competition forming boss.

2. They don't take it serious.

3. Shall we check both League's performance in the UCL last 15 years?

4. You said this...



So?

So La liga is a better league than the EPL

timbros:
Why is 5 years an accurate indication of current status and not 15 years? On what criteria? Simple answer: because it will favor your argument.

That Spanish sides are dominating Europe recently doesn't make English domination early 2000s obsolete.

Lets start from 2005 and let's see how far. That's just 13 years ago.

Yeah, let's start from 2005...

Since 2005, EPL has won the champions league 3 times, LA liga has won it 8 times.

Since 2005, EPL has won the Europa league 2 times, LA liga has won it 8 times.

In conclusion, while EPL has won European titles 5 times, LA liga has won it 16 times!! More than times 3!

Are you ashamed?

timbros:
1. English teams don't take UEL serious. Check the match day lineup of any top 4 team in England unfortunate to play in Europa. The last two English teams that won it (Chelsea and Man Utd) only start taking the competition serious from semis... It was only Klopp that too it seriously just to impress in his first season. Unfortunately he lost in the final. But Liverpool showed they don't belong in UEL by making the UCL final as an improvement. How many UCL finals has Sevilla made?

2. You choose a time span that will favour your argument. Extend the time span to 15 years and let's see how far.

3. So a LA Liga player that improves in EPL nullifies a certain notion BUT an EPL player that improves in LA Liga is proof that LA Liga is the best? Which kind of contradiction is this?

4. Was Pique the very best in England before moving to Spain? Forlan? Graveson? Woodgate? Was Henry the best player in England when he signed for Barcelona?

You're comparing Sevilla with Liverpool? You should be comparing Liverpool with Madrid.

And please spare me the pitiable excuse that English teams don't take UEL serious... When Everton and Tottenham were d ones qualifying for Europa, they still didn't really want to win abi? Even though they have been trophyless for years?

In the last 15 years, Spanish teams have constantly outdone their English counterparts by every possible metric. And that's what matters...

I never said all players that move from Epl to Spain are the best players... I said d best players move from epl to Spain. The fact that some other players also do doesn't change the fact that the majority of the very best in England eventually move to Spain. And I mentioned henry and Ronaldo to prove my point...

now mention one best player in Spain that moved to England

timbros:
I don't make random arguments. Let's not diviate.

Atletico made 2 finals but won how many? Chelsea made 2 finals in 4 years and won one. Man Utd made 2 finals in 3 years and won one. How many did Atletico win?

5 different teams from league A winning UCL vs 2 different teams from league B winning UCL........ Which of the leagues have a better representation in the UCL? A or B?

OH... Its raumdeuter sef. I still think say na randomperson

It's the league that has won more titles that has better representation.

And why are you avoiding the Europa cup?

timbros:
1. So are you admitting England has more quality but not as competitive as Spain?

2. I won't engage you in a tier 2 competition in Europe.

3. Are we talking about teams that PLAYED in the final or those that actually WON it? How many UCL did Atletico won in those 4 years? And why don't you extend that your time line to 15 years and let's compare?

4. So if a coach favors one player over the other, it makes the latter second tier player? Can you prove that Yaya played just one season under Pep?

5. Developing? What do you mean by developing? Silva came to Man City as a 24 year old by which time he was already an European champion with Spain. Aguero came to Man City as a 23 year old, by then he has already won Europa League and Uefa Super Cup, has scored more than 70 goals for Atletico. What exactly were they developing? Both of these players were already established members of their team before City bought them. If these players at 23 and 24 are 'still developing' I wonder what we will say about 17, 18, 19 year Olds that are pushing for first team shirts...

Where did I admit that england has more quality? That's the exact opposite of what I said...

And if it's really a tier two competition, why is it so difficult for English teams to win it... In fact, the last two English teams that won it were teams that normally should be competing for the UCL title... Just admit that you don't want to argue on this issue because it shows conclusively that even without barca and Madrid, LA liga still wipes d floor with EPL.

Atletico did not win the UCL but outperformed every English team in that timespan which is the point of my argument. And yes, I used 4 years because the point I'm trying to prove is that LA liga IS better than EPL. And recent events are relevant not distant history...

And as regards Aguero and co, the point is that they played better in England than they did in Spain which effectively nullifies the notion that players successful in LA liga will flop if they go to England...

In addition, it's the very best in England that move to Spain: Ronaldo, Bale, Henry. Mention one best player in Spain that moved to England... Virtually none. Which shows that Spain not England is where d best players go

patrickmuf:
But Costa, Silva, Aguero etc were too young at their early to mid twenties and all second tier players...Amala don suffer for your hand.

What were Aguero's or Silva's achievements in LA liga before they left? That's what matters

hensben:
If u watch liverpool play Mo Salah is a striker. Hazard has played under defensive coach in the past.

Salah played as a wing forward last season and he broke d goals record

timbros:
Competitiveness is when variety of teams win the UCL not when only two clubs win it from a particular league.

Nottingham Forest is a European champion but where are they now? That's competition. Right from the onset, we know only two teams in Spain can win the UCL. It was like that 50 years ago. It is like that now. It will continue to be so....

I even intentionally overlooked the post where you said Atletico is better than all the teams in England. Can you prove that?

And you still haven't proved that Costa, Aguero, De Gea, Silva, Toure are second tier.... I'm still waiting for that.

It's good you are the one that said the bolded so let's scrutinise your opinion.

Competitiveness doesn't mean or imply quality. Yes, only two teams from Spain have won UCL but those two teams have won more about ucls than the thousands of English teams combined...

And let's talk about Europa. Spanish teams are still dominating that competition, or is it barca and Madrid that are responsible for that too?

In the last four years, Atletico have made two UCL finals, and won the last Europa. Name any English team that measures up...

Yaya Toure was discarded by pep after one season and he came to epl and was forming boss. You don't discard tier one players like that...

Conversely, Alex Song went to barca after his best season in England and could only be playing in copa Del Rey matches against Spanish second division teams...

Silva and Aguero were just developing, they were not yet world beaters when they left Spain...

And since they left Spain, they have not bossed d UCL, they falter when they face Madrid or barca

patrickmuf:
So, I can say Henry, Nistelrooy and Beckham were past it when they moved to La Liga? If Aguero and the likes were youngsters then it's not out of point to say Nistelrooy was past it.

A 30 year old is not past it... Messi, Ronaldo, modric, Ramos, Marcelo, Silva, Aguero, Suarez are all over 30 and they are d best players in the world today

patrickmuf:
When you remember Becks, which team comes to your mind? Nistelrooy? Henry?
Only Ronaldo left at his peak.
And how is Costa second tier? Is it that every other player not in Barca and Madrid are second tier players?
Aguero, Silva, De Gea, Yaya Toure etal were amongst the best in their respective teams...

You're just proving my point... Henry was basically a King in d EPL for many years but he had to move to Spain to win d champions league... And he was even pushed to the wing in order to accommodate Messi and eto'o in d center...

And players like Silva, de gea and toure were just coming up... they were not tier one players

timbros:
Why una like to dey one sided for una talk every time?

1. For every club you mention that won UCL in Spain, I will mention two in England....Agreed?

2. Can you prove that those second set of players you mentioned are second tier? What happened to Pique in England vs in Spain, ditto Forlan? Iago Aspas that was hot property in Celta, how did he fare in Liverpool? Did he register a single goal? Back at Spain, check his stats... How far with Jesus Navas of Seville vs Jesus Navas of Man City? The same Courtious that was a hero in Atletico suddenly became a basket in England.

I don't know which is worst, calling players like Costa, Silva, Aguero, De Gea, Yaya Toure second tier OR thinking that any player imported from Spain bosses EPL...

There is no need for all this merry go round...

There are some things that manifestly show superiority and they include trophy count, head to head and player quality which can be easily judged by the amount of individual awards won by d players in champions league, ballon d or, and FIFA world best...

When it comes to trophy count, LA liga outperforms epl in both UCL and Europa. Not just in the past but even more so presently...

In head to head stats, LA liga teams are superior and if the last few years are anything to go by, the anal rape is not stopping any time soon for epl teams

And if you have want to judge by player quality, the only player who's won FIFA world best while playing in d epl is Ronaldo and it happened only once. Check d fifpro XI of the last few years, it's LA liga players dominating... That's statistical evidence

You have a right to your opinion but when your opinion is compared with actual facts, it turns out to be crap

airmark:
So your excuse that Sanchez played under a career destroyer should be forced into your azz. Lemme me know when you make up your mind on that, then i will know what to counter you with.

This one is trying to dodge...

Sanchez joined man utd at d later end of mourinho's stint which is when mourinho's teams start unravelling... The same thing happened to hazard so you can only give that excuse for one season in his entire career...

Why can't you explain hazard's poor numbers from d remaining parts of his career

krattoss:
how is laliga best team in the world when I can stake my life savings that it's either Barça or Madrid will win the league?
It's either Messi or Ronaldo for the golden boot.
Maybe competition got a whole lot new meanings.

Neymar is a spineless overrated specie that thrives where where competition is unavailable.

Little wonder why he said it himself that epl is the most competitive in the world.

https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2018/12/05/epl-neymar-reveals-manchester-city-star-must-play-england/amp/

This is your argument as to why EPL is the best league in the world? You know best means quality right, not popularity..

When it comes to trophies in UCL and Europa, LA liga dwarfs England. in head to head, epl is eviscerated by LA liga

The best players in England end up in Spain... Henry, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo... And second tier players in LA liga move to EPL and take over Costa, Silva, Aguero, De gea, Yaya Toure and a host of others...

LA liga has produced many more world bests.

So how exactly is epl better than LA liga...

And don't bring competitiveness oo because if it's that one, Nigerian League is the best in the world

airmark:
And Hazard played under this career destroyer and you didn't consider the effect, when you juxtaposed Neymar with Hazard.

Just as apari raumdeuter would have asked, when both met at the best soccer competition in the world, what happened?

Hazard is almost 28 and only played three years under mourinho so how do you explain all the other years... In fact, hazard's best season was under mourinho so you no get excuse...

And who cares what raumdeuter will say? You want to use a match where hazard neither scored nor assisted to prove that hazard is better than Neymar? How wise is that? An own goal and de bruyne determined that match...

A quarter of hazard's goals sef are penalties? It's like u people no get shame

BikeMan:
sebi you're the same random person that said Atletico is better than all EPL teams, let your man crush come first

This one is not even smart... Defend your own statement now... Explain why Neymar will not perform in epl...

Even d Sanchez you're talking about sef was one of d best players in d premier league before he started playing under d career destroyer mourinho

BikeMan:
I just want Neymar to play in Chelsea for 3years, he go worse pass Sanchez. No time for unserious football or falling under anointing in England

Your epl hero, Salah faced Ramos once and all the EPL fans were crying because he turned Salah to a handicapped...

You're now saying Neymar who has faced Ramos multiple times would have problems in EPL?

Even softies like Silva sef dey dominate epl anyhow

krattoss:
the glaring difference is, while one plays in the most competitive league in the world, where champions gets maneuvered and pushed away from the 1st -2nd position .a league that turns the any self acclaimed best to a one season wonder. Where teams gets to study ur winning tactics and counters it next season.
The other plays in a league of farmers, herdsmen, Boko Haram terrorists,isis,iswap,alquada, and Kurdish terrorists, where a team can run the league while asleep, which boasts of the most ugly stadiums,. Where one is 100% sure of the league winner before it starts.
The difference is clear

Neymar played in LA liga the best league in the world, and had match- winning performances against real Madrid and atletico, two teams better than all the teams in the premier league....
He also performed in the champions league which hazard has been a failure in....

The facts speak for themselves, Neymar is a far better player

Ibime:
Greatness lies in overcoming odds, not in meeting expectations.

Mourinho is greater than Pep.

What do you then call falling below expectations especially where the scrutiny and pressure is highest..

Mourinho fails wherever the pressure is too much... Madrid, Chelsea and Man utd are the evidences...

Chelsea fans liking these one's comments now were the ones praying and begging that mourinho leaves Chelsea before he dragged them to relegation...

Ibime claims that winning trophies with Messi and Ronaldo doesn't count because they are the goats but conveniently ignores the fact that mourinho coached the Ronaldo for three years without winning the UCL

LordAdamX:
Oga Barcelona was always a big team before Messi. It'd remain a big team after Messi retires.

Maradona, Cryuff, R9, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo all played for Barcelona before Messi. The first four of those names are in the top 10 best footballers in history and were the best of their respective generations.

I don't think it's fair to Barcelona's history to say Messi increased the profile of the club. Sure he'd lead the Barca legend chart for a very long time but this is no Maradona "Napoli" profile increase.

Messi would make history in any club, or at least that's what his talent suggests. Staying in Barcelona throughout his career is not wrong and I'm sure no one in Catalonia is complaining, but that's simply not what legends who ascribe to the GOAT status do. It's not just about Ronaldo, it's about virtually every other legend who ascribed to GOAT status, from the other usual 3 suspects to other names from Zidane to even Van Basten (who played for only two big teams btw).

You guys should stop reacting as though this is not a tradition in football.

-Lord

Please point to where I said Barcelona was not a big team before Messi.

Maradona, Cruyff and co played for barca before Messi but how many ucls and LA liga titles did they win for the club... You're basically helping me to prove my point... Barcelona has had so many great players but none had as much success as Messi. Proving once and for all that it's not about the club, it's about d player....

And there's no tradition that says good players have to move from one club to another.... 90 percent of players whether good, bad and ugly and transfer from club to another...

it's not a fucking tradition

in fact, if all legends need to transfer to build their legacy, Messi has done it without needing to transfer... That's what is called being a boss

LordAdamX:
Typical Barca fan. Call what you disagree with trash, then proceed to type a missive that's way worse.

Pele in his heydays was not allowed to play for a foreign team by the Brazilian government.

Maradona was at his peak at Napoli and took them to their first ever Italian title. That's why Southern Italians will forever regard him as the GOAT. In spite of being a midfielder who didn't score much, it was Hamsik who recently broke his goalscoring record in 2017.

CR7 has the most goals and assists at Juventus. And he left for Juventus to win the UCL, that's the yardstick by which his stay will be measured. Not winning a domestic double, not even getting to the UCL final, but winning it. That's the challenge. A damn impossible one at 33 fresh off a B2B2B UCL win.

Compared to these three GOATs, you have Messi staying in Barca when at least one team in each of the top 5 leagues can afford him, through perhaps the best period of Barcelona's history for over 18 years, and you expect everyone to whistle by like he simply can't do more.

Messi + current Napoli team + Ancelotti will give Juventus a run for their money in the league.

Messi + any current top 4 English team + Any coach not named Mourinho will mount a formidable challenge for the UCL.

In fact, Messi + any top European team + any decent coach can theoretically win a treble. He has the ability. Everyone knows that. Dude just wants it easy maybe due to his reserved lifestyle; not everyone is a fan of that. You guys can keep making excuses for him or engaging in humorless whataboutism, but the "what if" question will never go away.

-Lord

This is plain idiocy... You're making conjectures on Messi's reasons for staying in barca and all you can think of is reserved lifestyle?? But it never crossed your mind that loyalty to a club that paid for his treatment could be his reason for staying at that club

If Messi wanted the easy path, he would have gone to man city, and made three times what he's making in Barcelona, win trophies galore while benefiting from d unequalled coverage and sponsorships the EPL enjoys

Messi left his home country at 12 years of age and had d psychological strength to play so well that he graduated into Barca's first team at a very young age

But one self- acclaimed lord on nairaland wants us to believe that Messi always makes d easy choice