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Herbiedeen:
Bro, if you can play ugly and win then why not go for it...
What's the essence of a beautiful football without result to show for it, just like when Madrid turn Tiki-Taka to Kati-Kati against Bayern(2014)

Portugal scored 9 goals at Euro 2016, Ronaldo had 3 goals and 3 assists; thats 6 goals out of 9. so tell me, who's their best player??

Nani had the same stats and had more knock out goals. He was also present for the final

Swissh:
Messi assisted the 59goals? Please don't.

Where did I say that? Guy use sense na

Swissh:
When he had a good side he destroyed every competition and finished as top scorer. He won every copa America he started in and finished top scorer including the World Cup. When I see Suarez scoring 59goals at barca I am very certain he would have hit 70.

But part of the reason Suarez scored that number of goals is that he had a passer like Messi in his team... At least Ronaldo played in Barca but didn't score as much as Messi

donjazet:
So far as he won the trophy any which way, Messi hasn't and that will always count against him.

He won the euros. Giroud has won the World Cup. Is giroud a better player?

donjazet:
the fact that Messi hasn't won an international trophy will always hunt him.
You can't be labelled as the best if you have nothing to show for your country, much less a very prestigious one like Argentina.

Well, that's your opinion... He has been labeled the best by many that matter

Football is not lawn tennis... A player can give the best performance in the history of football and his team ends up loosing

Leyqute:
I think DeLima is the better goal scorer while Messi is a better passer of the ball.

Both players are great dribblers but I’ll pick DeLima over Messi here. For one, a good number of times DeLima squares up against like 2,3 or 4 defenders alone with no teammates to distract them. That’s like a suicide mission in those days.

Most of Messi’s dribbles are done with his teammates moving into dangerous positions. This helps distract the opposition. Plus tackles aren’t flying everywhere.

This doesn’t take anything from Messi though. He’s a fantastic dribbler and a superior team player to R9. The other guy is massive as well.

Is Ronaldo really a better scorer of the ball than Messi? Messi scored 73 goals in a season and did not play exclusively as a No 9...

If he played as a poacher, the stats will be crazy

And when it comes to dribbling, Messi is still better... I've asked before and am asking again... Name a Ronaldo goal where he dribbled from the halfway line against a team sitting deep to score... I can name like 8 from memory

spillo1:
I have talked on this before. Fenomeno with a world class team was banging in 8goals at the world cup. It's scary to think the kind of havoc and numbers Ronaldo will wreck with those Barca teams.

He was banging in goals as the no 9 and main striker for his team... Messi is not Argentina's striker... Higuain, Aguero play that position for them

Neymar1095:
I have said before let's put Messi in a club like Everton or Napoli where he is not surrendered with world class players and system all those rubbish about him scoring and assisting at high rate will quickly diminish. We have already seen his failures to replicate those performance at Argentina. It's easy to show your passing and dribbling ability when your team dominates 60 to 70 ball possession almost 90% of matches in a season. Messi is nothing but a Barca player.

Messi is still the highest goal scorer and highest assist provider for Argentina so your point does not make sense...

He's the only one in that team that has won the best player award in a tournament.

Without him they would not qualify for the World Cup

hopefulLandlord:
Ronaldo wasn't just a goalscorer though, he was regarded to be the best dribbler in the world at his prime and one of the best dribblers ever.

You're right.... I totally Stan Ronaldo Delimma and he was the best of his time... But Messi is simply better both as a dribbler and overall

Melvyn11:
Ronaldo dominated two leagues....fact

Ronaldo won every individual and collective awards in those league....fact

Ronaldo has delivered two trophies for his country....fact

Ronaldo has won every where both country and in every league....fact.

Don't bother replying with more Shalayes about your Camp Nou legend and Argentine flop. Not interested one bit.

Fact: Messi has more trophies

Fact: Messi has more individual honors

Fact: Messi has played over 130 games less and has more combined goals and assists

Ibime:
I watched Ronaldo live at his peak in the 1990s. I did not miss a single match of his 1997/98 season.

Though I considered Ronaldo by far the best player of the 1990s, I can't lie to myself and compare him to Messi. Messi does almost twice what Ronaldo did with less space.

I think the problem is most people fixate on his goals... They don't look at other areas of his game...

IIf they did, they would understand that for a single player to combine all those aspects of the game seamlessly is nothing short of genius.

Hazard has a cult following here because of his ability to take on players

Augero is an epl legend because of his scoring prowess

De Bruyne is considered one of the best in the world mainly because of his passing ability

Then for one person to combine all that and even do each of them more effectively is otherworldly

Melvyn11:
First of all you claimed people that matter jornalist,coaches says Messi is better. I showed you where Barca fans ridicule and insult those same people opinion and call them rubbish now it doesn't affect you. Ok bro

They are barca fans, that's what fans do...

I don't get the point you believe you're making

Melvyn11:
Guy why do you like to much Shalayes. Ronaldo has gone to two leagues and won every individual and collective awards it has to offer. That is the fact and the greatness of Ororo. Unlike a certain Camp nou legend without a spoon for his Nation.

The only difference between Messi and Ronaldo's international careers is that Eder scored for Portugal... Ronaldo just like Messi has zero goals and assists in all his finals for Portugal.

When you cannot counter an argument, you resort to shouting 'shalaye' ...

Bring facts, No. Bring stats, No! Bring logic, No!

Just shouting shalaye like a robot

hopefulLandlord:
Hey brother, been a long ass time
Ronaldo Delima wasn't known in a any way as a diver and he also knew how to skip over legs of defenders, defenders of the 90s, check out the kinds of tackles he faced against Lazio when Nesta was there for examples. Serie A at the time was known for not only stout defending but brutal tackles too, tackles that would earn a red card to someone who does it to Messi these days would probably be given as just a free kick then
while there might be some truth to it Ronaldo having height did not serve as an impediment to him in tight spaces during his prime, he could both dribble you using magical skills at such places or nutmeg you or use stopovers to throw you off balance and then go past you.
Talent is what I'm arguing but I would find it shocking if you think Messi dealt with as much problems with injuries as much as Ronaldo did.
who needs 2 blocks of four when a single defender is relishing the prospect of ending your ankle with a well executed tackle and a ref is ready to signal play on? also Italian league's defending at the time was well organised. Italian league teams defend well in numbers but also put in brutal tackles when they deem it fit

Yeah, very long time. Was thinking you had left Nairaland for good

Anyways, remember Ronaldo was basically a 9, so he generally dribbles from an advanced position... Sometimes Messi picks the ball in midfield and dribbles straight into the box and scores...

I've watched a lot of Ronaldo's goals and I've never seen him score a goal like the one Messi scored against Getafe or Madrid in the ucl semifinals.

Melvyn11:
All these are unnecessary Shalayes. Go to the Barca thread and see how they insulted those same people you claim their opinion is worth gold when Messi was voted 5th and any time Ororo won the award. Double standard

So how does that affect me... If you cannot handle Ronaldo been outshone by his Aburo, that's your problem

Melvyn11:
Spot on bro. King Ororo is the greatest of his generation. Man dominated 2 leagues winning every individual and collective awards along the way. Messi is just a Camp Nou legend

I laugh in Spanish...

Messi has faced all the best teams from England and has destroyed each of them at least once...

It is not difficult dominating a league that has not produced up to three world best players

Messi has decided to stay in the best and most successful league in the world competing directly against the biggest and most successful club ever...

Ronaldo moved from the second richest club in the world to the richest club in the world and then left to a league where he is beaten to the golden boot by a 35 year-old unknown

Victornezzar:
Do they come to your house with a Gun so you'll believe in Christ??.... Have they insulted you before??

But yet your likes will be spamming nairaland every Sunday morning insulting Christians

I just want you guys to visit a mosque and tell them why they shouldn't believe in Allah... Just please do

Lol... Yeah Christians don't insult atheists and people from other religions?

You're obviously not familiar with religion section on Nairaland

Melvyn11:
But when those same football professionals, journalists and coaches voted Messi 5th in the balon dor then their opinion becomes rubbish to you.

It's not rubbish... Because of Messi's antecedents, anytime he does something less than his pedigree, he's seriously downvoted...

Fact is that he has six ballon d'ors, six Fifa world best and six golden boots... Not to mention a host of other individual honors... And he's over two years younger than your God...

When your Aburo starts out shining you, you simply have to acknowledge that abinibi pass ability

Victornezzar:
How do we threaten you guys with all those... Are we putting a Gun to your head so you'll believe in Christ??

And are we complaining about the person we believe in??.... It's only sadists that interfere in someone's else's business

So when people dísturb me at my house persuading me to believe in Christ, they are not interfering in my business? Ordinary social media argument, you are crying...

Double standards much?

Emmynator:
We wey camp for lord ororo side know na, ororo has more stake in the future than the midget. Proving yourself in different leagues protects you from being labelled a system player.
Few years from now when people will only watch messi on youtube his failure on the international level and monopoly career will stand against him, as we have seen countlessly here.

Lol... Keep deceiving yourselves... The people that matter: Football professionals, football journalists and football coaches believe that Messi is the better and greater player

More trophies, more individual awards, higher scoring rate and assisting rates...

No one cares what some nonentities on Chelsea thread on Nairaland think

Victornezzar:
Fact: Most Atheists especially on nairaland are just sadists

You don't talk about someone who you don't believe in... Leave people alone to their belief... You'll see those empty headed lots spamming Christian threads every Sunday morning.

This is funny... Christians threaten atheists with hell fire and the wrath of God, their bible calls those who don't believe in God fools and they make laws that affect everyone... Not to mention the discrimination

I can talk about someone I don't believe in. If adults around me believed in Santa Claus, I have the right and responsibility to criticize and correct their beliefs

hopefulLandlord:
Messi would be kicked about like a rag doll lol. you think Messi would be allowed by defenders to dribble then like he does now? also referees were a lot more lenient with tackles and top players don't get the extra protection they get now. you're also naive if you think Ronaldo wasn't good in tight spaces just because he's known to pace past players. Not saying I agree with madrid5 but consider Ronaldo won the best player in the world at the age of 20, which remains the youngest ever player to win the award. maybe that was a fluke but he won the next one again at 21 (Messi was almost 23 when he won his first) spent a single season in Barcelona but set record for most goals scored in a single laliga season that single year. went to inter Milan (Italy was the best and hardest league in the world then) won best player in serie a in his first season. then a combination of injuries, rough tackles and thyroid problem made his career go downhill from there but even at that he came back from a long injury layoff to win the 2002 best player in the world award, a world cup and a world cup golden boot.

So Ronaldo may not have the longevity of Messi or C. Ronaldo but thinking the level of talent he had at the time is inferior to those can only be uttered by someone who doesn't know him or is simply biased

If there's anything Messi knows how to do, it is how to evade tackles when dribbling. In fact where other players are diving for free kicks or penalties, Messi skips over the legs of defenders

Also, you're not taking into account Messi's low center of gravity. Short people have greater balance so can dribble in tight spaces without being wrestled to the ground.

And Messi also has injury problems as a teenager. In 2006, he had a great game against Chelsea destroying Del Horno before sustaining an injury that ruled him out of the campaign....

You are right that in the 90s, tackles were more brutal but modern defenses are better organized... Two blocks of four sitting deep is the most difficult thing to dribble through but Messi has scored solo goals against that kind of setup multiple times

madrid5:
messi didn't have the physical strength+dribbling that delima had

This is just all shades of wrong... Teenage Messi scored that famous goal where he dribbled past six players at 19...

The sheer amount of solo goals he scored in his early years is crazy

When it comes to dribbling the only person that can compete is perhaps maradona

pu7pl3:
Lmaooooooooo....if Messi is a better player than Ronaldo then Fernando Peroteo is the greatest footballer that ever lived

How does this make any sense to you? If you can't refute an argument just say so or better receive your L in peace...

But because you thought you must say something, you ended up advertising your stupidity for the whole world to see.

pu7pl3:
Ronaldo is the standard in the game of Football, people pay to study how to be like him and what motivates him in schools, his impact in soccer can never be replicated anywhere in the world especially in LA Liga, the Argentine Frodo Baggins is just known for choking on the biggest stages due to his sever lack of cojones...

Everybody and their mothers have come to the consensus that Ronaldo is the best footballer alive right now except for y'all Cules and I can't blame y'all, Messi is the only good thing y'all have going right now and the rigged 6th balon d'Or is the only thing y'all can still use to stay relevant in this arguement, but reality is often disappointing when it hits you

I like this self-deceit... it sounds like you're struggling to convince yourself that Ronaldo is actually the best

Statistically i.e. goals, assists and others, messi outperforms Ronaldo.

Trophies wise, Messi outshines him again

And when it comes to the general opinion of the football world messi is considered greater..

There is absolutely no measure by which Ronaldo outshines Messi....

Adakintroy2:
Notice how God quickly went to the top. Now that rationality and science is failing to find cure. Men now seek the devine.

Love to have that conversation now with those who said there is no God those atheist people lets now have that conversation

Lol.. Who is running to God? Abi God and his churches are running away from problems. They claim to perform miracles but ordinary Coronavirus, they are hiding their faces

OK

nihilistjnr:
You are an olodo.

Did 2014 world cup have best loser qualification?

Did Portugal qualify for round of 16 as one of the top two teams in their group?

You're the worst of the Barkabots on this thread, and that's saying something.

Lol... You have made a blunder and now you're struggling to make sense of your earlier idiotiic statement.

Portugal played Hungary in the group stage but somehow Ronald's goals in that match were knockout goals....

You need to hire someone to think for you...

nihilistjnr:
If Portugal lost that game, they were out. I said Ororo scored knockout goals, you're talking about knockout stage.

What is with Barkabots and lack of comprehension sef?

So knockout goals are not goals scored in knockout stage?

So Messi scored four knockout goals in the 2014 world cup?

So why did you say that Messi has not scored a knockout goal in seven competitions?

This guy will kee me with his blunders today

obainojazz:
Ronaldo is not an Argentine The sperm cells are Aguero and co

So what's Ronaldo? Urine?

nihilistjnr:
So the goals against Hungary are not knockout goals?

The goal against Wales is not a knockout goal.

1 is greater than Zero in case you did not know.

While you're arguing from your mud hut in Cameroon, the real indigenes of Buenos Aires want to revoke Messi's Passport

Meanwhile in Portugal, Ororo's name is on an airport.

Messi is Gani Williams, Ororo is Martin Luther King Jnr.

The two goals against Hungary were not in the knockout stage, they were in the last match of the group stage. Score was 3-3.

And Messi scored in the semi finals against USA....

I don't have the time to argue with someone who can't get simple facts right...

When you have figured out your blunders quote me