BlueAngel444:
Messi did not boss ONE world cup.


There is NO world cup campaign that I would say o yes that year ah Messi was unlucky, even when he had Di Maria controlling and bossing the midfield and dragging Argentina, Messi would be misbehaving. The whole idea of having iniesta and Xavi was so in his vein.


No body should say that squad was weak. Even Germany found it difficult to bang them goals like they did Brazil


We talk about players that boss world cups or we mention some world cups, na mistake person go mention messi name. But players like Modric, Hazard, James Rodriguez, Muller, Xavi/iniesta, Zidane, Ronaldo

Lol... Please I hope it's not CR7 you're claiming bosses a world cup?

Anyways, Messi has a world cup golden ball. If you're angry about it, go and collect it from him

BlueAngel444:

Not everyone adjusts well to change. Messi for one has never given the vibe of someone like that.

Stop mentioning names, no two people are equal.

You are listings matches barca played with relatively low pressure most games and comfortable outcomes due.

Did you mention Valverde, even without a manager Messi will play la liga like la liga. E fit even be say na Messi been dey manage na why Valverde fit dey take nap.


Imagining manager napping, na dat kind job go fit ole

So your entire argument is based on vibes? Vibes??

Under valverde, messi had genius performances against Tottenham, Manchester United and Liverpool? Or those were in La liga too?

But we should ignore the stats and facts and rely on vibes, abi?

Melvyn11:

Where are the goals for Argentina when they need him to step up in big tournaments?


4 finals
4L's
0 Goals
0 Assists

0 World cup knockout stages goal

Out of 7 tournaments he has gone with to Argentina he has only scored in the knockout stages in one.

Definition of failure with Argentina.


Take Messi from Barcelona and he is useless.

I keep asking you this but you keep evading.

How many goals and assists does Ronaldo have in finals for Portugal?

kendrick9:
Messi wouldn't survive the kind of tackles mardona faced...
These days just a simple duel with Messi, the referee calls it.
Maradona was literally assualted on the pitch, he rode tackles like a mo'fucker.
Go and watch the 'butcher of bilbao' and tell me with a straight face if Messi would have survived that..
That's the Calibre of things Diego faced and he still came out tops.
Messi and co are lucky they get to play the likes of elche, eibar,huesca week in week out?
why won't they pad their stats

Messi would have survived the tackles. Messi started his football in South America where they play football like thugs... he has also faced Ramos, Pepe and the entire Atletico Madrid defence multiple times

Besides, one of Messi's greatest abilities is the ability to ride tackles

Btw, Maradona played in the 80s and 90s when football rules were already somewhat developed. I can as well say that Maradona would not have survived what Pele survived in the 70s, therefore Pele is greater

odizeey:


These are the things. We think EPL talents are not worthy of Ballon d'Or?

The conditions are not very favourable and coaches have complained about it. And that's just one.

What about the tiki taka system?

Woo. I rest my case.

Which nonsense case are you resting?

Epl talents don't win the ballon d'or often because they are not as good as their counterparts in La liga. Of all the GOAT candidates in recent times, only CR7 and perhaps Henry have played in the premier league. And even them, they moved to the superior league at last.

Zidane, R9, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldinho have all played in la liga

Leyqute:


Nice points. But is 30+ EPL goals the same as 30+ La Liga goals?

No. Because la liga is the better league

odizeey:

Which one is that free scoring EPL team? My point is not about the trophy. But replicating those goals that brought the trophies in an international stage.

You feel it's about the player. And I'm not even talking about who is goat or chicken.

There are factors that bring disadvantages to EPL players and coaches like Guardiola and Mourinho have talked about them.

Well. I rest my case.

Messi would be coming from a superior league. So he wouldn't have any problem

odizeey:


The thing you don't get is odds. There is a reason betting companies put odds.

Was prime Messi playing alone? Was the prime Messi not in the Argentine team when Chille won them back to back?

League is different from cup games. EPL is not favourable. The odds are much.

Lol... baseless excuses.

He destroyed your best teams but he will struggle against your crap teams? Where is your logic in all this?

Which of your EPL teams has been as good as real madrid that was constantly destroyed by messi.

BlueAngel444:
love this point

We are talking about the same Messi that complains about the recruitment of top class players because they can't plate Messi-ball

A player that walked out on Argentina because he feels he is bigger than them.

May I hear say Messi no frustrate for EPL

When he plays like FA, EFL, UCL, EPL even if he doesn't get tired, when half of his team mates are tired, Messi will frustrate.

Where will he find tiki taka, does Pep play that anymore.

In la liga you will still find teams that want to play ball. In EPL na EPL money does club dey think about. Highest Messi would have would be 3 good season and one off one or two self, be it injuries of prolonged fatigued.

Messi is being coach by an ex EPL manager he is barely hitting the target let's not mention scoring. The moment Barca plays like an EPL team small, you see Messi goes misses.

Messi will do well but not that well.

Valverde was tiki-taka abi?

Some people's football knowledge is seriously questionable.

When messi was doing the sextuple you know how many matches he played? Messi that had to be travelling to South America to play in harsh altitudes and then go back to Spain and continue scoring??

Silva, Mata, Fabregas, Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Hleb, Song, all had more success playing in EPL than they had in La liga.

Pele, Maradona, R9, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Cruyff never even played in EPL but they are the football greats

This agenda that Messi would not have performed in England is just foolish to say the least

kendrick9:
Then why bringing your useless stats when you knew Diego wasn't a striker but a no 10?

Messi has been the playmaker for this Barca team, he has in fact won the award for best playmaker four times, a record he jointly holds with Xavi... and at the same time he has been the best goalscorer in the world, winning thr golden boot multiple times.

That's what Messi does that Maradona could never do in his career

odizeey:


You have no point and can't prove he will score above 30 season in season out.

You think it's about the player alone?

Let him go and win world cup and Copa America na.

Playing with an EPL team is different from play against EPL teams from a different league and different conditions.

Many EPL teams presently are stacked with good players. Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester city and even Tottenham, put prime Messi in any of them and he will score 40 goals a season consistently...

Someone has scored 26 goals against your best teams and you think he will struggle against Sheffield United and co?? Be logical for once abeg

kendrick9:
Keep your useless statistics....
Messi not ronaldo wouldn't survive half of what Armando passed through...
Armando had everything Messi has and a little extra plus a never say die mentality...
A leader of men
Football is too soft now....
Put Maradona as a striker with Xavi , iniesta etc behind him in this soft era and I'm sure he will score 60 every season

Lol... see this one. Maradona as a striker?

nitrogen:


Let’s be fair, Messi is very good, but we cannot conclude that he will score 30+ goals consistently in the EPL or any other league because he has not left Barcelona.

No one knows because he has no history in another league!

This is just ridiculous... highest goal scorer ever in la liga, second highest in champions league, second highest in south American football but it's EPL that will give him problem

TrebleChamp:
Diego Maradona is the great Argentina player of all time, and arguably the greatest footballer of all time.

He was only great for about 6 years or less sef. Messi and Ronaldo have been great for almost 15 years.

odizeey:


Hope you know cup games are different from league games. You think chelsea would have won the ucl in 2012 if it was in league format?

This is a terrible attempt at a rebuttal.

So if he can score that number of goals in champions league games where the stakes are seemingly higher, why wouldn't he score even more in premier league games.

And apart from goals sef, his passing and dribbling nko? Guy, you have no point.

Melvyn11:

Sit back and relax

* 4 finals for Argentina
* 0 goals 0 assists

*Went Back to back competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals

* 0 knockout stage goals for Argentina in the world cup

* Went to straight 4 competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals in the knock out stages

*0 trophy as well.


Messi is an Argentine flop.

How many goals and assists does Ronaldo have for Portugal in finals?

odizeey:
Una dey shout Messi. Messi. Yes he would have played well but if he had come to the EPL when Ronaldo went to la Liga, Ronaldo for don win like 10 Ballon d'Or now.

Barcelona fits him. If Messi score 35 goals for EPL. E no go pass two times.

Lol... go and check Messi's record against the best premier league teams.

Messi that was bossing el classico when Ramos and Pepe were at their thuggish worst. Salah faced Ramos just once in his best season and got his shoulder dislocated.

When Messi handled the best manager ever in epl, his hand was shaking like he had Parkinson's disease

TrebleChamp:
We wouldn't know cos Messi didn't leave Barcelona. I remember Robinho counting his legovers in La liga making players like Puyol eat grass everytime they meet, he came to Mancity and EPL overwhelmed him. Messi is a football great, but not in the league those i listed earlier imo. He isn't even regarded as the greatest Argentinian player of all time sef.

Maldini only played for one club and never won any international trophy, does that make Pique better than him?? All these parameters you people use are just ridiculous...

And you are mentioning Robinho who was basically a flop at Madrid.

Messi has scored 26 goals against the best teams in the premier league. 26! And he has never played in the league. No single player ever has a better goal per match average against premier league clubs...

Ultimately, Messi is currently regarded by the majority of professional footballers, managers and pundits as the best of his generation and all time... but you want to somehow convince us that he is not even the best Argentine player of all time...

Some people want to paint Ronaldo 's sojourn to Italy as a challenge, when in actual fact the Italian league is basically a farmer's league...

Apart from Juventus, how often do Italian clubs make the finals of UCL or Europa?

The least that Ronaldo can do with the immense advantage that Juve has over other clubs is to be the highest goal scorer and best player every season

But he has been outscored by a 38 year old Quadilateral or whatever his name is and now by another average player...

For someone that his main strength is only to score, it is a fvcking disgrace!

Lol

Emax911:


when someone says a terrible season, u don't just judge with goals, check influences in big games against Madrid and athletico, against Sevilla, no influence even in d champions league no influence, if gattuso get things right, barca are out

This is funny.... in the first leg against Atletico Madrid, he scored the winning goal- a solo goal in the dying minutes.

The thing with the league is that three points is three points. If Barcelona had won all their matches against small teams and lost to real Madrid and Atletico,they would still have won the league

sammysneh:

What are you saying so Lewandoski that scored 34 goals don't deserve ballon d'or

34 goals and how many assists.

I'm not even going to be angry if Lewy wins the ballon d or but to say that Messi doesn't deserve it because he has had an underwhelming season is dogsh*t

Emax911:
if they give this guy ballon do'r again, I will stop watching football, had a terrible season........ trophyless goat

You obviously do not understand football...

No other player has as much goals and assist as Messi in the top 5 leagues and he missed about two months to injury. If any other player had these stats, he will be the favourite for the ballon d'or

He has had to be the de bruyne, the hazard and the Ronaldo of the team at the same time. While players like Suarez were wasting the chances he created.

Without him, Barca will probably be 12th.

the haters will soon come and say it's just la liga.

But they forget that la liga is the best league with the best returns in Europe and has hosted almost all the best players ever.

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Segedinho:

What's is ur relationship with cr7?

Have u in any form got in torch with him

Have u guys chatted

Have u had any encounter with him??

Do u think u can just wake up and chose radomly who u want to use voodoo on

Lol... You said the requirements. Now that someone wants to meet them, you're changing mouth...

Segedinho:

What's is ur relationship with cr7?

Have u in any form got in torch with him

Have u guys chatted

Have u had any encounter with him??

Do u think u can just wake up and chose radomly who u want to use voodoo on

Lol... You said the requirements. Now that someone wants to meet up, you're changing mouth...

Kimbeast:

The post meant Messi dribbling ability not same style of execution. Just because Messi has more ball control in tight spaces doesn't mean he is a better dribbler. Messi has better control of the ball, Ronaldo has the speed advantage and his physical strength to bully defenders. On a break away face to face with two defenders Ronaldo for me but in the middle of the field surrounded by 3 players then Messi. I will still rate Ronaldo dribbling ability above his.

Lol... Messi has both speed and strength in abundant quantities...

The type of dribbling you credit Ronaldo for has also been done by Messi...

So a person can dribble in the tiniest of spaces against numerous defenders but if given more space against fewer defenders, he won't be able to dribble?

Swissh:
Please calm down with this Messi 73goals in a season in which he was a striker and a poacher at that. When we add context you will find out Suarez tally of 59goals was even more impressive.

Messi 2011/2012..... 60games 59goals from open play

Suarez 2015/2016......53games 55goals from open play.

Messi tally is inflated by his plenty Pks.

It's ignorant to say Messi played as a poacher in 2012...

He sometimes played as a 9 but he mostly played as a false 9 dropping into he space between midfield and defense of the opposition

Occasionally he even played off Sanchez that Guardiola mostly deployed as a 9. For example against Chelsea in the second leg, Sanchez was the No 9 while Messi played in the hole behind him

Check his assists from midfield that season and come back and tell me he was a poacher...

diggz:


it will be interesting to see him play as a 9 tbh..

Really Interesting...

Sometimes when he drops to midfield, I become angry

Like how can you be so great a finisher and then decide to be dropping into midfield

That's what affected Rooney too, he dropped deeper and eventually lost the edge he had when he was younger

Unlimited22:

Go and watch the goal he scored vs Compostela in the Copa Del Rey

That goal was from aa counter attacking move... The opponents were not sitting deep in banks of four. Watch Messi's goal against Real Madrid in the ucl semifinals, you'd understand what I'm talking about

Herbiedeen:

Show me that Nani's stat
And oh, whose goals qualified them to that knockout stage??

Just so you might need to know,
R16 - vs Poland 1-1 (Sanchez) assisted by Nani
Q/f - vs Croatia 1-0 (Quresma) assisted by Ronaldo
S/f - vs Wales 2-0 (Ronaldo scored 1 and assisted Nani for the 2nd)
Final - vs France 1-0 (Eder)

Oya tell me who has more goal(s) involvement in the k/o stage btw Ronaldo and Nani

Both Ronaldo's and Nani's goals took them to the knockout stage... Nani also scored and assisted in the semifinals