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LordAdamX:
Last year when the football world said Messi was not worthy enough to be in the top 3, you did not call it we then.

We know your type. No need to talk long story.

If CR7 wins it next year, you would resume your awards is useless, people don't have eyes complaints. This one na pacifier wen dem chook inside una mouth mk una pause the 4-yr long sobbing. Hopefully, France Football does the needful as the UEFA peeps did and return you guys to your default mode.

Shameless fans!

Award wen una don rubbish in the last four years don turn museum artifact.

-Lord

Last year, Messi had the best stats, same with the year before that... In fact, if we wanted to judge by individual performance, Ronaldo is miles behind messi?

Don't make me bring out their stats ongoals and assist with matches played again....

LordAdamX:
And I've explained why.

If you can't read or understand, sorry I can't be your Use of English or grammar tutor. Go stalk your elementary school teachers. That was their job. But evidently, they failed at it.

-Lord

Actually, we are saying different things...

Messi has become more than a rival to Ronaldo, the obsession has metamorphosed into love

But since you think with your as*hole, the butthurt is affecting your thinking process

LordAdamX:
If it was anyone else but Messi, Ronaldo will still fixate on the person.

Dude walked into a dressing room of Scholes, Vidic, and Nisterooy and claimed to be the best even when he was relatively untested and wasn't putting in the numbers yet.

Once upon a time, his rival was Quaresma, back in Portugal.

As far as he's concerned, Messi is a nuisance like all the others before him. This is a guy who publicly called out his national team coach (not Santos).

That obsession to succeed is why he's so endearing to his fans. You guys can ride the d*ck of the passive-aggressive wannabe meek guy. But leave our in-your-face, I-don't-like-you-and-I-wouldn't-pretend GOAT for us.

-Lord

Dude, Ronaldo has a serious crush on Messi. He uses every opportunity to talk about Messi. He even invited messi for a date some weeks ago...

I hope messi doesn't go though, unless he wants to join the "me too" crew

LordAdamX:
He crashed out after bottling a 3-0 lead.

He scored only 1 goal at the Copa America. The same Copa America you guys said here was the competition that would put him in pole position to win the award.

As I said earlier, I do not want to argue. He has won it, he has won it. CR7 and his fans see setbacks as motivation

I sha know if VVD wins the Balon D'Or or CR7 wins this same award next year, you guys would resume calling the awards trash. So no lele.

We have our GOAT. Stat-padding would not change that.

But if na this year award, VVD deserves a clean sweep like Modric had last year.

You guys are so funny. Individual award is for individual performance.

Oya use individual performance to score more than 1 goal in the Copa America? For where.
Use individual performance to score at least one goal against a team that needed 4 goals to go through in the UCL? For where.
Use individual performance to score a goal to make your team win CdR? For where.

The individual performance is only reserved for Huesca, Rayo Valladoid, and Camp Nou. Anywhere else, network dey lost.

This is the real reason (plus money) he won't leave Barcelona. Forget that loyalty crap! Because he knows all he has to do to register his candidacy is to dance skelewu against them Levante and in UCL group stages in a team he has played in all his life.

UCL KO stages and in national team; who gives a sh*t!

Just enjoy your celebration wen be like pacifier quietly! If na trolling, jor cancel am from your mind!
-Lord

This butthurt is obviously affecting your reasoning....

Messi scored six goals in the knockout stages against Lyon, Man Utd and Liverpool.... And they were not just tap-ins or penalties- they included a solo goal, outside shots and a stunning free kick.. Not to mention assists or chances created..

And when you say "we have our goats", who are the "we"? Because, FYI, your opinion amounts to nothing in the football world.
In fact the football world just voted messi as the best on the strength of his individual performances alone...

If you cannot handle messi's victory, sniper is readily available... because there's nothing you can do to change the fact messi just got his no. 6

LordAdamX:
See, I no 1 argue. You guys should enjoy. After the Valverde and UCL troubles, you guys need any semblance of attention you can get.

Messi scored 54 goals under Valverde, he should easily have scored one more when the need arose. Your MCM was dribbling when he was 1v1 with the keeper. No put everything on top Valverde head.

Disappeared against LIV 2L, disappeared in the CdL, disappeared in the Copa America.

You know deep down if FIFA had given it to VVD, the only people who'd complain are Messi fanatics. So just enjoy the night.

I just hope when VVD wins the Balon, we wouldn't hear screaming from you guys. Them don compensate the fraud. No wonder he won't leave Barca.

-Lord

This guy is ridiculous... So unless messi scores in every UCL match he doesn't deserve the award...

But in 2016, Ronaldo didn't score in the finals or semis, yet won the award comfortably.

You just can't handle the fact that Ronaldo lost to messi

Krasid:
Ronaldo actually has 2 FIFA'S The best to Messi's one. So calm your teats down. The way Barca fans are celebrating, you can tell they weren't sure of their asun winning the award. Then again it's FIFA so...

Lol... Messi has 6 FIFA world's best awards, not two...

Swissh:
The debate ended in 2016 when Ronaldo won the euros and now has 5 ucls. It’s embarrassing to compare Messi to Ronaldo. One is a one club system player success.

Then why do most pundits, coaches and football players- people whose opinions actually matter, not some random swissh on nairaland- consider messi superior to ronaldo.

Melvyn11:
No footballer has dominated 2 leagues like Ronaldo. Won all individual and team achievement with two different teams setting numerous records. We don't gauge greatest from your comfort zone

Yeah, because the most succesful club in history is not a comfort zone. Or going to clubs where you can just sit in the box waiting for a tap-in is not a comfort zone.
If you're asking messi to move to another club, why are you not asking ronaldo to move to an attacking midfield position and stop waiting for tap-ins?

Melvyn11:
Cherry pick what stats? Nothing you typed is related to my post Did you see any stats in my post like goals or assist or pure facts on how Ronaldo won everything in world football with 2 different teams from individual to team achievement. How many players who has gone from clubs to clubs has achieved that. Went to the National team won trophies and he is also currently the highest scoring player on international duty still active. Who won golden boot for the just concluded nations league? Yes Ronaldo take your L. Has Messi ever won golden boot for any senior tournament with Argentina? None but MVP that has no criteria or rules to follow just who the organizers feel like giving is what you are jumping about. Show us Messi golden boot with Argentina

Lol, now you're trying to avoid the topic of goals and assists because you know that messi wipes the floor with ronaldo.

So your own method of determining who is better is by ignoring their personal contributions to the team and only considering whether they won a medal given to 22 other players. By that standard, pedro, Ramos and Pique are the GOATS.

Harry Kane and Lukaku were the highest goal scorers at the world cup but were not even among the best players. And winning highest goal scorer in a new 4- team tournament your country hosted isn't exactly the stuff of legends.

I don't need to show messi's golden boot since he's not a striker for his team. And asking for golden boot from a player that has won multiple golden balls is silly. As a ronaldo fan, would you prefer Ronaldo wins european golden boot or ballon d'or?

Messi is the record goal scorer for Argentina of all time. He beat people like Maradona, Di Stefano, Batistuta and Aguero while not playing as a striker. He's also the joint record goalscorer for World cup qualifiers in South America. So, yeah, when it comes to scoring goals, Messi is king there too.

Melvyn11:
Bwhahaha Barca fans are delusional and also believe their lies lol.

Ronaldo Dominated not one but two leagues

Won balon dor in 2 freaking leagues

Finished top scorer in 2 freaking leagues

Won European golden boot in 2 freaking leagues

Won champions league in 2 freaking leagues

Finished Ucl top scorer in 2 freaking leagues

Set and broke countless records in both the Spanish and English league.

Mr champions league All the records dey him hand

Your Goat is a la liga merchant. Playing the same teams for over 11years. What trophies has messi won outside Barca nothing?

It's easy to cherry pick stats that suit your position.

Messi has 941 combined goals and assists while Ronaldo has 907 and Ronaldo has played almost 150 games more than Messi. That's about 12,000 additional minutes of football. But by your own special brand of intelligence Ronaldo is the superior player.

Yes Ronaldo has played in different leagues but he always chooses to join the best team in those leagues. From Man utd to Madrid to Juventus, that's not a challenge, that's a well calculated formula for the easiest routes to glory.

Messi, on the other hand, was good enough at 13 years old to be signed by Barca and for the club to commit to paying for his treatment, good enough at 17 to be promoted to the Barca's first team, good enough at 32 to be the best player in the world and yet loyal enough to stick with the club even in its rough times.

Ronaldo is the striker for portugal, he has played in three finals and he didn't scored any goal in the final. But let's crucify Messi for not scoring in finals even though he plays as an attacking midfielder for his team.

Ronaldo has been to about eight international tournaments but has not won a single Golden ball or MVP with the team. In fact, his teammates sometimes even win the best player award at his expense.

But Messi that has won multiple best player awards at tournaments with Argentina is the one that is underperforming.

I could continue but what's the point?

When they only have to beat you black because you're already blue!!

No longer Sarriball, it's now...















SANYERI BALL!!

BlueAngel444:
no its not like I am trying to do an Apari Dayo in this matter

My criteria isn't complex or double standard. simple, I value players base on what they achieve in the team they play, not on goals or assists. awards are won yearly and not collectively like we fans do, the last 3years, 5years, 10years. yearly, so who has had more successful years.

if u were a footballer which would u value more a team medal or an individual award. a big time trophy or statistics.

I am not a stats freak. at times stats matter and at times they don't.

it was not said in anyway to undermine Messi but in comparison to another great player Ronaldo.

This is funny because Messi has actually won more trophies and individual awards than Ronaldo... and Ronaldo has actually played for 2 years longer...

So you're saying Ronaldo is greater but the reason you're giving shows Messi actually is greater

BlueAngel444:
like u can create a better eleven

LA liga team of d last three years
Oblak, carvajal, varane, Godin, Marcelo
Busquets, modric, kroos
Messi, suarez, Ronaldo...

Now, this is unbeatable

BlueAngel444:
My ultimate EPL eleven of the past 3seasons (2015-2019)

Alison;
Walker, Stones, VVD, Alonso;
Kante, KDB, Erikson;
Salah, Kane, Hazard.

unbeatable

Unbeatable for where?

Be kiafu

BlueAngel444:
.guy u just come here they make the matter English vs Spain.


Modric is a ballon d'or winner congrats to him, he has my respect, Modric is a now a Madrid legend. awards change.


but Lampard is Premier league legend. as long as English football exists he will never be forgotten. before any midfielder will achieve what Lampard as personal achieved it will be very hard.

Yh, Lampard is an epl legend, but modric and iniesta are world legends

Segedinho:
Trophies boils down to d team u are playing for and it is logical iniesta's trophies are more. so such metric in this case is negligible...on the other hand personal accolades to some extent are also as a result from the team ur play for..cos recognition are mainly drawn from winners. ...the only personal contribution are player's stats in terms of outputs irrespective of the team u are playing for

individual awards are drawn from your role in your team's victories... if not, busquests would have made fifpro XI many times

hensben:
If Hazard was playing for barcelona he will get those awards if not double sef.

If hazard was in Barcelona while MSN was there, he would be sitting on the bench..

Segedinho:
i didn't say u hate him ...I knew ur reaction once d hazard vs Neymar's challenge comes up n i was right cos I was heading to a better conclusion. ..
If Neymar is well recognised 4 his output and using such 2 counter hazard's effectiveness up fronts. .why can't same be used 2 put Lampard ahead of iniesta since both plays in thesame midfield but the former output trippled the latter's

Neymar has more trophies, more individual awards, more goals and more assists than hazard

Iniesta has less goals and assists than Lampard but has more trophies and awards...

See the difference??

Ibime:
Passing is not dribbling. Lampard has far better vision than the assistless Eunuch. You can pull up their assist record if you wish

Dani Alves has more assists than xavi...

Ryan giggs has more assists than anyone in epl ever...

Are they d best passers in the world?

Segedinho:
I brought Hazard vs Neymar's challenge 2 counter ur statement about awards and so but u went back 2 stats ...iniesta is being defended 4 organising the midfield with minimal output (disregarding Lampard outputs even 4m d midfields) but hazard is being criticised 4 low output even wen he is being recognised by football governing body. ...

Please point to where I ever said hazard was not a good player. I even actually like d guy. But it's when u start comparing with Neymar that wahala starts

BlueAngel444:
which one be every metric

excuse me

Lampard scores free kicks, creates chances more than iniesta and had a far better range of passing than iniesta.

Better range of passing? You're high

hensben:
You are now talking about tactics and player style of play. The question is why can’t you guys make same excuse for Hazard?

Hazard has been the second most attacking player in Chelsea for years... he has no excuse...

Hazard's an effective dribbler but as an attacker he needs to add to his game

BlueAngel444:
if iniesta can be respected for just that, then Hazard should be revered as a god n not disrespected by some self absorbed f.o.ools cus Hazard does that and more for Chelsea.

Hazard is an attacker, iniesta is a midfielder... not to even mention that iniesta is a better passer than hazard

Segedinho:
using award's metrics
Hazard went head 2 head wt Neymar in the just concluded Worldcup and hazard was the 2nd best in the tournament even with an award 2 show for it....can we conveniently say that hazard is better than Neymar? ?

Why are you using only the last world cup? Neymar has made ballon d or podium, hazard has not. Neymar has been UCL highest goal scorer before.. hazard is suffering from allergy to UCL goals

airmark:
You must be out of your mind, to be saying that now. So Neymar didn't know that, when he was offered to sign for PSG? He wasn't with his brain when he was asked why he wanted to leave Barca.

So Ronaldo should be begging Madrid now, cos serie a, haven't won ucl in 6yrs. You barcabots are ridiculous.

Neymar went to PSG for d money...

If Neymar wants an easy league, he would stay put in France. So your point even lacks logic

Segedinho:
now I get ur point.So considering that,how do we compare who is better between Lampard vs iniesta cos but were instrumental to their respective teams.....stats wise Lampard was better. .what are ur metric in ur ultimate conclusion? . .have it in mind that Spain was better than England likewise barca vs Chelsea. ..so cups n teams superiority are 100% negligible in judging a single player or rather comparing the player as well

Of course, let's put cups aside... Which of them has more INDIVIDUAL awards?

airmark:
Raumdeuter's polling booth award. How many goals and assists did he have in the tournament?

Who cares if Raumdeuter calls it polling booth award??

The fact is that he won it...

What's Lampard most significant achievement for England? whether individual oo or carry along?

madrid5:
iniesta being kovacic is not a bad thing sha,kovacic is/was a good player for us,modric and co was just better that is why the guy warm bench,this could have been iniesta career if he wasn't from LA masia,his unproductivity for an attacking midfielder can only be tolerated in Barcelona.

This one doesn't know that Perez reapetedly tried to buy iniesta

airmark:
Where's bykebyke abi na bykelabyke?

These Barca fans are pathetic.

In other news, Neymar has turned to a beggar. This guy is a shameless glory hunter. Now that he knows Mbappe has more years ahead to outshine him at PSG, he wants to go back to Barca, knowing that Messi has fewer years to shine. The mumu should come to epl, if he is tougher than Hazard.

Is this one alright? Neymar won best player in that league despite going on a long term injury

Neymar needs to go to the best league in the world, not some league where they haven't won a UCL in 6 years

Ibime:
And if Iniesta did not have fertile forwards he would be Kovacic.

Lampard is Lampard, a killer in his own right even if he plays with Malouda and Joe Cole.

Therein lies the difference between a carryalong and a killer.

In 2012, Spain were starting matches with six midfielders and no striker, yet in that set up, iniesta won player of the tournament...

That's fvcking badass

Segedinho:
with due respect bro. .wat is ur standis it all about judging a player with stats or just personal accolades

Stats are important but they are not the ultimate in judging a player... You have to consider every metric...

And when you consider every metric... Iniesta is superior to Lampard