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This war is already over. By simply surviving, the Iranian regime emerged victorious. This is a fact and those without foresight would struggle to see.

This war is almost guaranteed to ultimately end in a negotiated settlement and once that happens, the Iranian regime won, regardless of the terms of the agreement.

Lol. Donald Trump is just trying to save-face after failing to bomb Iran into surrender or to coax it to nuclear talks with sweeteners in a memorandum of understanding.

BornofGod108:
🚨 New from President Trump

This is really sad.

Everyday killing, killing. What do these people even want self.

They told us Iran does not have money to pay soldiers, how can they now afford bounty money.

As they say, denial is a river.

So if IRGC lose 100% of its source of income they will suffer. Dey play. Its just like saying if Nigeria stops selling oil today, Tinubu, senators, ministers and their families will suffer. Dey play. It is the masses that will feel it.

I like how you acknowledge US bases are already destroyed. So during the 12 nights that 3 US soldiers died what were they targeting.

So why in earth will Trump stop bombing without any sort of ceasefire or deal. At least when the bombing stopped in April it was because of ceasefire. This time around nothing, the US just stopped all of a sudden. And then reports came out on how the US were running low on Interceptors ( which is plausible by the way) Using a 1-2 million dollar missile to Intercept a 25,000 dollar drone is not even feasible in the first place.

Iran are not the ones bragging on social media. Trump has been relentless on social media declaring victory every hour for the last 6 months.

Like JD Vance said "we are in the middle of the game". Unless the US come up with a strategy to comprehensively achieve at least 2 out of their 4 objectives. This war will be recorded in history as a loss for the US alongside Afghanistan and Vietnam

Lordly13:
My god you terrorist sympathizer are relentless. Here's one thing all these bragging Iran is sending won't let you see:

Do you know what it means for a country to lose more than 70% of its source of Income?

And I'm the one living in Denial 😊




This got me laughing, it shows you don't listen to Iran or listen to what the IRC or Foreign Minister says.

What did Iran said they targeted during those 12 days, same old US bases in Kuwait, Bahrain Saudi etc that they have been shooting at since February and say it's already destroyed.

Why did shooting at the same targets every week for 5 months? Doesn't that tells you something?


What has Iran achieved if not total destruction of their assets and military power.

Trump announced a 12 night strike, destroyed some targets and halt on the 12th night. And you people spread the news that he run out.

Do yourself a favor and listen to the Iranian Minister speak. One moment he is asking Trump to remove the blockage on Iran (like he did this Monday), another time he's bragging they control the Strait, when they can't even use it themselves. And then he's bragging they're using the Caspian sea instead of Homuz to escape blockage (which 5 times more expensive than Homuz).

Victory is achieved by depleting and total annihilating the enemies abilities, And the US is fast achieving that in Iran.

1. Trump has weakened the regime enough, it can't survive.
2. Nuclear war heads cost billions, 70% of Iran's industries gone, it'll take them decades to build a nuke at this level.

War is fought with silent strategy, not social media bragging.

As they say, denial is a river. There are so many things you said that are utterly detached from reality.

So the 3 soldiers that were killed in Ira

Lordly13:
My god you terrorist sympathizer are relentless. Here's one thing all these bragging Iran is sending won't let you see:

Do you know what it means for a country to lose more than 70% of its source of Income?

And I'm the one living in Denial 😊




This got me laughing, it shows you don't listen to Iran or listen to what the IRC or Foreign Minister says.

What did Iran said they targeted during those 12 days, same old US bases in Kuwait, Bahrain Saudi etc that they have been shooting at since February and say it's already destroyed.

Why did shooting at the same targets every week for 5 months? Doesn't that tells you something?


What has Iran achieved if not total destruction of their assets and military power.

Trump announced a 12 night strike, destroyed some targets and halt on the 12th night. And you people spread the news that he run out.

Do yourself a favor and listen to the Iranian Minister speak. One moment he is asking Trump to remove the blockage on Iran (like he did this Monday), another time he's bragging they control the Strait, when they can't even use it themselves. And then he's bragging they're using the Caspian sea instead of Homuz to escape blockage (which 5 times more expensive than Homuz).

Victory is achieved by depleting and total annihilating the enemies abilities, And the US is fast achieving that in Iran.

1. Trump has weakened the regime enough, it can't survive.
2. Nuclear war heads cost billions, 70% of Iran's industries gone, it'll take them decades to build a nuke at this level.

War is fought with silent strategy, not social media bragging.

That's why Trump needs to find a solution fast, before the midterms, because if he doesn't, Republicans will lose the House and he will be a lame duck president.

There is even a wider implication here because the status of the US as the "world police" has always been built on the premise that they have the strongest military in the world. So, if somehow they cannot use that military might to defeat an average country like Iran on the battlefield, then that status is under serious threat.

otipoju:
Na election matter ooo. The prosecution of the war has a direct effect on the November elections.

Who would have thought at the beginning of this war that the US would be at a stalemate with Iran. at the beginning of the war, I feared the worst for Iran.

Somehow, it seems, I overestimated the military capabilities of the US. It was almost inconceivable that the US would run out of interceptors, yet here we are, the US seems to have given up on military power, all of a sudden they just stopped, no ceasefire, no deal, nothing, they just stopped firing.

The US went into Iran with 4 main objectives
1. Regime change
2. Ending Irans nuclear program
3. Ending Irans ballistic missile and drone programs
4. Ending their support for proxies like the houthis

Not a single one of them has materialize. The IRGC are still firmly in control of Iran, the slain supreme leader has been replaced by his younger and more hard-line son. Iran still has all its enriched uranium. They still fire drones and missiles on a daily basis. And their proxies are not slowing down either. The houthis are currently bombing oil facilities in Saudi Arabia.

Now the US has an additional problem of the strait of Hormuz which was non existent before the war.

Trump has put all his hopes on economic pressure to make Iran make a deal. Whether this would work or not, I do not know. But what we have witnessed is truly remarkable.

This war is seriously threatening the US image of invisibility. If you cannot defeat a mid-tier country like Iran and coerce them with pure military power, then what is there for China and Russia to be afraid of.

You are living in denial, just like those folks on Fox News.

So in your mind now the current Iranian regime is different from the previous one. Wonderful.

So the 440kg of 60% enriched uranium Iran already had, has now evaporated into thin air, because they have no money. Wow.

So Iran has no drones and missiles, what did they now use to kill the 3 US soldiers in Jordan and Iraq? Hand grenade? Mind you Iran never stopped firing during the 12 nights of exchange. It was the US that suddenly stopped firing because Interceptors were running low.

Hezbollah has been degraded but certainly not gone. The Houthis are alive and well. They are currently exchanging fire with Saudi Arabia and even threatening to close the Bab-al-mandab strait.

If this war ends today, Iran's geopolitical standing has risen while the US projection of invisiblility has declined. Unless the US can pull another trick out of its sleeve that will allow it claim a decisive victory in the coming months, then this war will go in the loss column of the US.

Lordly13:
Here's your answer.

1. Regime Change: The old leader and 52 Ministers dead, The new war MIA(Isreal reported he's dead, Iran report him sick, couldn't even attend his father's funeral).

2. Nuclear Zero: 80% of all Iranian government sources of income from oil refineries, oil depots, their 3 major steel factories, all their petrochemical industries etc destroyed. NO MONEY, NO NUKE (a Nuke warhead cost Billions).

3. Weapons Degradation: Saudi Arabia and UAE report a significant reduction in Iranian drones and missiles deployment. After Trump focus 12 nights of destroying some of their drone and missiles storages.
Plus, no steel factories, no new missles or drone production.

4. End Terrorist Support: No money no support. Plus Labanon signing deals with America and Isreal to remove Hasbollah.

For 1 minute, forget the online cap by American haters and Iran, How do you think a country that has lost 80% of it's sources of income and can't even use it's closet Strait, is standing shoulder to shoulder with a country that still has everything intact since the war started.

Do you know what it means for a country to lose all 3 of it's STEEL FACTORIES. AND 30 OF IT'S OIL DEPOTS?

What a very myopic perspective with no understanding of what geopolitical frameworks are all about. 80% of Iran industrial strength is gone? Where are you getting your figures from? Fox News?

The US went into Iran with 4 main objectives
1. Regime change
2. Ending Irans nuclear program
3. Ending Irans ballistic missile and drone programs
4. Ending their support for proxies like the houthis

Not a single one of them has materialize. The IRGC are still firmly in control of Iran, the slain supreme leader has been replaced by his younger and more hard-line son. Iran still has all its enriched uranium. They still fire drones and missiles on a daily basis. And their proxies are not slowing down either. The houthis are currently bombing oil facilities in Saudi Arabia.

Now the US has an additional problem of the strait of Hormuz which was non existent before the war.

There were credible reports that the US has used over half of its missile stockpiles in the war. Reuters reported the US used virtually "all its interceptors" protecting the Gulf states and Israel from Iranian drones and missiles.

In fact during this last round of fighting, General Dan Caine told Donald Trump explicitly to find an off ramp because unless he is going to send in ground troops, air campaign alone will not achieve their objectives.

In the middle of fighting, the US suddenly stopped. No ceasefire, no deal, no objective achieved. Nothing. They just stopped just like that.

Now Trump is counting on the blockade on Iranian ports to inflict enough economic pressure that will force the Iranians to come to the table. Whether that will work or not I do not know. But to suggest that this war has not been an utter disappointment for Trump indicates a lack of proper comprehension of what geopolitical projections are all about

Lordly13:
Stalemate? Check the level of destruction and degradation on Iran.
80% of Iran's industrial strength gone,
70% of their steel factories gone,
Almost All their petrochemical factories destroyed.
Half of their politicians dead.
Strait block with US Navy.

Wise people will just give up and surrender, but we're talking about Islamic Suicide Bomber who has been brainwashed to believing in dieing for violence take you to heaven.

These people don't care about their citizens, they brag online, even though they have nothing to hold on to. So Trump's new plan: Economic Pressure, which has been reducing their effects, but Natahyu is pushing more military strikes. The iranian government are useless.




Iran just showed the world the consequences of attacking the US. Why do you think Putin released an American prisoner to Trump without asking for any favors in return.

The US has destroyed more than 80% of Iran's oil industries, almost all their steel factories, oil depots and logistics centers and almost every sources of income of the iranian government is either completely destroyed or heavily damaged.

No nation in their right senses want that, Except Islamic terrorist. A Pakistani politician said Iranian Islamics don't reason like human being, they can't differentiate what's important from what's not

Who would have thought at the beginning of this war that the US would be at a stalemate with Iran. at the beginning of the war, I feared the worst for Iran.

Somehow, it seems, I overestimated the military capabilities of the US. It was almost inconceivable that the US would run out of interceptors, yet here we are, the US seems to have given up on military power, all of a sudden they just stopped, no ceasefire, nothing, they just stopped and Iran is still shooting at ships in the strait of Hormuz.

Now Trump has put all his hopes on economic pressure to make Iran capitulate. This is truly remarkable. It's almost as if everyone has forgotten the Original war aims. No more talks about regime change, nuclear weapons, ballistic missile program, support for proxies. None of that. Strait of Hormuz is now the central theme of the conflict.

This war has seriously damaged the US image of invisibility. If you cannot defeat a mid-tier country like Iran and coerce them with military power, then what is there for China and Russia to be afraid of.

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In my own case I stopped eating anything that contained fat and oils for 3 days and just like magic diarrhoea I struggled with for years stopped that was how I diagnosed myself.

Melagros:
Please brother can you share with me how you found out it's acid malabsorption? Because it's like I'm suffering from the same ailment
I want to go and get my test results tomorrow

This is so me. When I first started living alone I was constantly buying food and struggled with diarrhoea for nearly 2 years. I used every antidiarrheal medication there is to no avail until recently when i learnt I have a medical condition called bile acid malabsorption that made my gut extremely sensitive to dietary fat and oils which was heavily loaded in the foods I was buying.

Now I prepare my own meals no matter how tired I am with a teaspoon of oil at most and I've been fine for over 2 months now.

To the victor belong the spoils.

Iran came up against 2 nuclear armed states and displayed strength to the entire world.

The were no signs of weakness from Tehran throughout the war.

Now they are getting control over the flow of 20% of global energy.

All this simply doesn't matter if it does not result in a strategic victory. Iran is still not going to capitulate.

I believe Trump understands clearly that he has effectively lost in Iran, not in the military sense but in the strategic sense that he will not be able to achieve the kind of victory he had envisioned at the beginning; something similar to Venezuela. The only thing holding him back from publicly admitting this loss is ego.

Lyndon B Johnson suffered the same thing in Vietnam; it was clear to him during the early days of the war that the US had lost the war in Vietnam, but it was his ego that kept him going. By the time the war was over, 58,000 American soldiers and 1.3 million Vietnamese were dead. Even at the end, the US presidency could not bring itself to admit defeat because of ego, shame and guilt. It was the US Congress that had to use congressional powers to seize funding and end the war.

This Iran war could easily be worse than Vietnam, because unlike Vietnam, this war would be fought across multiple countries and frontlines with multiple non-state actors, not to mention the impact on the global economy.

I hope for all our sakes that Trump will see beyond his ego and do the needful. Make peace with the Iranians and solve the Palestinian issue (which is at the centre of all this crisis) once and for all. It will be much better for his legacy than the alternative.

Contrary to popular opinions, the US doesn't have an infinite supply of weapons. Moreover, the US has not entered full "war mode". If they ever do, they will ramp up production by involving private companies, especially car manufacturers, to convert their facilities to weapons manufacturing.

I still believe they have more than enough offensive weapons and ammunition to fight Iran for a very long time. What they would be having shortages of now are interceptors. Those are very expensive and take longer to produce. One interceptor can cost 1-2 million dollars and using it to shoot down a 5000-dollar drone is not sustainable.

There is nothing in Peter Obi's past that indicates he will make a good president. His tenure in Anambra was unremarkable; the businesses he says he runs are not well known. Most importantly, right now Obi cannot even intelligently articulate his plan for Nigeria.

Mrexcell:
It's no brainer to know that buhari and tinibu can't be compared to a level headed and responsible peter obi only a mischievous person will foolishly lump all of them together just to dismiss Obi's capacity to govern and change things.

For the life of me, I would love to see Peter Obi become president, not because i believe he has anything to offer, but for everyone to see that he has nothing to offer. It was the same thing with Buhari; if he had not ruled this country, there are people today who would be saying "If only Buhari had ruled Nigeria, we would have been Dubai or London. But alas! the man ruled and ended up as one of the worst presidents in recorded Nigerian history.

God Abeg o! Muslim genocide is going on in this country, and the world is silent about it.

I have never for one second bought into the argument that Trump is dumb or that he is a Taco.

You don't become a billionaire, the president of the greatest country in the world, lose as an incumbent, go bankrupt, suffer crippling lawsuits, survive multiple assassination attempts and come back for a second term as president against all odds by being dumb or a taco.

I believe Trump understands clearly that he has effectively lost in Iran, not in the military sense but in the strategic sense that he will not be able to achieve the kind of victory he had envisioned at the beginning; something similar to Venezuela. The only thing holding him back from publicly admitting this loss is ego.

Lyndon B Johnson suffered the same thing in Vietnam; it was clear to him during the early days of the war that the US had lost the war in Vietnam, but it was his ego that kept him going. By the time the war was over, 58,000 American soldiers and 1.3 million Vietnamese were dead. Even at the end, LBJ could not bring himself to admit defeat because of ego, shame and guilt. It was the US Congress that had to use congressional powers to seize funding and end the war.

This Iran war could easily be worse than Vietnam, because unlike Vietnam, this war would be fought across multiple countries and frontlines with multiple non-state actors, not to mention the impact on the global economy.

I hope for all our sakes that Trump will see beyond his ego and do the needful. Make peace with the Iranians and solve the Palestinian issue (which is at the centre of all this crisis) once and for all. It will be much better for his legacy than the alternative.

You guys are all worked up about Israel. Israel was the one who started the war, then stepped back and left their seniors to continue the fighting.

If Israel wants smoke, it is very, very simple: attack Iran. Just put body small. Then we will know how much the IRGC is avoiding Israel. Yeye dey smell.

So hard to imagine there was a time at the beginning of this war when Donald Trump said he would accept nothing less than an "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER" from Iran and that the country selected a leader who was "ACCEPTABLE TO ME". My gosh, how far we've come. It sounds so naive and embarrassing now.

Nobody is even talking about regime change, nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles anymore. It's all about how we will get the Strait of Hormuz open first, which, by the way, was open before the war.

Donald Trump is wrong on this one. Israel will indeed survive without the US; in fact, I believe that is when they will thrive. You know why? Because then they will be forced to live like a normal country.

Now Israel's behaviour is similar to that of a petulant child who feels he can take on the whole world. It reminds me of when I first went to boarding school; I swear my father gave me the most luxurious provision stock of any kid in my set. I had everything. He met with the vice principal of our school and made him my guardian. It made me feel invisible. I challenged my seniors and talked back at everyone.

It was one Sunday when they served one kind of watery porridge beans i didn't like, I just stood up and was trying to walk out of the dining hall when our dining hall master stopped me and demanded i go back and sit down and wait till dinning time was close. I told him no. i cannot eat this "rubbish" and stormed out.

He called our House master, who then called our vice principal (because he knew he was my guardian), who then called my dad (because he had also noticed prior petulant behaviours. My dad came to the school, confiscated all my provision and pocket money, then left.

Since then, I started clearing my plate at dining, became friends with all my classmates and started greeting all my teachers on one knee. The short story is I became a well-adjusted kid and graduated well.

So yes, Donald Trump is wrong. If the US withdraws support for Israel as my dad did for me, there is no doubt they will find a way to survive. They will make peace and extend the olive branch of friendship to their neighbours and eventually become well-adjusted.

What Donald Trump has done to America's image will take a very long time to fix. In fact, I don't think it will ever be fixed.

Sadly, this Iran war is likely to be the beginning of the end of the American empire as a global hegemon. Make no mistake, the US is as dangerous as ever, but that projection of invisibility is no longer there. If only this Iran war had gone according to the original plan of decapitation strikes, a popular uprising, and ultimately regime change, then things would have been very different.

This Strait of Hormuz crisis is very similar to the Suez Canal crisis that also marked the beginning of the end of the British Empire. When it became clear to the world that Britain could not forcefully regain control of the Suez Canal after the Egyptians nationalised it, Britain's status as the definitive and single global superpower evaporated overnight. America is facing a similar situation here; if this war ends in any form of negotiations and America fails to forcefully regain control of the Strait of Hormuz with utter military might, the world will finally see the limits of America's military power, and with that its status as the world's single superpower. America's decline will never be anything like Britain's decline because they are a very blessed country with some of the world's largest natural resources, an industrious population, a wealthy neighbour (Canada) and self-sufficiency.

However, the world is moving into a multipolar era where each powerful country will be the hegemon of its own region, which might actually be good for America in the long run. China in East Asia, Russia in Eastern Europe (for all intents and purposes), the US in the Western Hemisphere, possibly Israel or Iran in the Middle East and India in South Asia.

This is an interesting turn of events.

Iran has indeed planned for a war with the US for a very long time.

They realise the Strait of Hormuz is a declining asset. All the Gulf countries are now creating pipelines that will completely bypass Hormuz and take their oil directly into the Red Sea and the Mediterranean. Meaning the Strait will no longer be of much value in the next 2 to 3 years.

They invested in the Houthis and Hezbollah for many, many years, not just out of the kindness of their hearts but because they envisioned a day like this would come. With the Houthis, Iran can close the Red Sea through the Bab al Mandab Strait in Yemen, and with Hezbollah, they can effectively make it unsafe for ships to pass through the Mediterranean from coastal villages in Lebanon.

Iran's objective is to become a hegemon in the Middle East, and with the Houthis and Hezbollah, who are non-state actors that can do Iran's bidding at a moment's notice, they have created a "Sphere of influence" that essentially gives them control over 20-30% of global energy traffic. This will effectively make Iran the fourth centre of power after the US, China and Russia.

Whether Iran will succeed or not, I do not know, but I do know that the US war on Iran has the potential to be the most significant Geopolitical event in our lifetime, and it is unfolding right before our eyes. Interesting times ahead.

Trump is in a very tight spot. He wants this war to end badly but doesn't seem to have many options.

His first option is to escalate further; bring down the full force of the US military on Iran, destroy Tehran and as much infrastructure as they can. But this is his most dangerous option because this war does not have popular support in the US, thousands of civilians will die, and it still does not guarantee Iran will capitulate. Perhaps even more worrying for him is that Iran has the capacity to wreak havoc in Abu Dhabi, Riyadh, Doha, Manama, Kuwait City and Muscat. These are very important allies of the US; they just can't afford to lose.

His second option is to send in ground troops to capture one or two islands. The problem is not capturing the Island but keeping it. The Iranians will happily let the troops land on the Island and start firing everything they have on them, meaning the US will suffer more casualties and it still doesn't guarantee the Iranians will capitulate.

His third option is to do a ceasefire. This will most likely be more humiliating for him than the MOU, because Iran will obviously not give up the Strait of Hormuz, and they will use delay tactics to kick the nuclear issue down the road.

His fourth option is to maintain the status quo. Sustained but restrained bombing of military targets and a naval blockade, hoping it will force Iran to come to the table. However, oil prices are now high and above; with the Houthis blockading the Bab-al-Mandab Strait, prices will likely continue to go up. So, this is not a sustainable strategy.

These are all bitter pills to swallow and Trump must swallow one.

Am angry because a country will start a war it cannot win, only for me to be buying fuel 1,350 per liter. Anytime I go filling station for my mind i dey turn military analyst for war wey no concern me. Why start what you have no idea how to finish? At the end of the day you will still go and sign ceasefire abi MOU that you could have signed to avoid all these prices we are paying for. I no dey complain about Russia-Ukraine war or Isreal-Hamas war. That one no concern me at all. I dey buy nothing less than 8-10 liters of fuel everyday for my business and personal use. So yes, this war dey annoy me anytime I go buy fuel.

UrVillageChief:
You never talk wetin they pain you gan gan ogbeni because I don’t understand the reason for this much wailing because a country is tactically trying to not waste its soldiers lives while fighting wars🤣🤣
Again, I know you aren’t used to it but this country cherishes human lives more than anything hence the reason why they didn’t think twice before sacrificing those monies and fighter jets to rescue just one man.
You sound even funnier and silly to say the fighter jets and monies they lost while rescuing that soldier was a “waste”
With that gesture, this country is ultimately telling us that they can easily rebuild fighter jets and every other asset lost but since human lives can never be recovered, everything possible must be done to protect them. So wetin come dey vex you gan gan?🤣
You are angry because this country will never ask its armless citizens to go surround a structure marked for demolition unlike that one particular country in the Middle East🤣🤣

Agbaya. Na Obama

Helinuse:
Who was the government for those 20 years?

What are you talking about. America went into Afghanistan with the single objective of toppling the Taliban government, and for 20 years they tried. The Taliban have been the government of Afghanistan for the last five years. Have you been living under a cave ever since.

Helinuse:
They could not defeat who?
Then who set the Taliban into the wilderness for more than 20 years?
Why did they leave the town and run to the wilderness, hiding in caves?


I guess the Taliban won America, just as Hamas won Israel And Iran is winning America