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Which of the conclusions?

If it is about the one about all religions going extinct, it is about the historical antecedents and current happenings. Historically, thousands of religions have existed in different human societies. People continue to practice these religions for thousands of years until their general understanding grows and they shift away from the religion and adopt new ones. For thousands of years the Greeks worshiped Zeus and Poseidon. They had temples and performed all sorts of sacrifices in their names. Same with the Vikings and Odin. Our ancestors here worshiped juju and different deities for thousands of years. But today to think that people sacrificed and worshipped these deities is something we laugh at and ridicule. In the same vein, people in a thousand and two thousand years from now will look back and laugh and ridicule the idea that people today believed that God came to earth as man, was tortured and killed by men in order to save men from himself, or that prophet Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse.

Currently, we are seeing a shift begin to happen; over 30% of people in the West do not believe in religion, and this trend has been growing for the last 20-25 years. In Africa, it is happening at a much slower pace, but it is happening. More people are shifting away from religion than 50 years ago, especially with the advent of social media and AI.

okwusdidi:
How did you come about this

All religions will go extinct; there is no doubt about this. But among these Abrahamic religions, it is Christianity that will be the first. Christians are very lackadaisical when it comes to their religion, unlike Jews and Muslims.

War is not 1+1; just because you defeated a person militarily doesn't mean you automatically win. America won almost every single battle against the Taliban in Afghanistan, but did they win the war? No. Same thing in Iraq, same in Vietnam.

Iran cannot win a one-on-one battle against the US military, and I don't think they are even trying to. That's why they have resorted to asymmetric warfare, in which they hurt America's allies and the global economy enough to make America back off.

Lordly13:
military lose 150 ships and half of their Commanders but na them dey win.

Dreams won wound you bro.

We are talking about the war; you are bringing up how their women dress. How does that affect us? That's the problem with you religious folks; you view everything through a religious lens, with no objectivity whatsoever.

As things stand, even though Iran's military is no match for the US and Israel, they find themselves in a strategic position of having leverage over the entire world. Think about this: imagine if Ukraine had similar leverage over the global economy; do you think the world would sit back and allow Russia to pound them like this? Obviously not. But because the war does not affect anybody outside of Ukraine, everybody is just sympathizing with Ukraine from a distance.

Now with Iran, the story is very different; everybody is feeling it (fuel went from N790 to N1300) in less than a month. How often do you see the US or Israel doing a cease-fire? Almost never. If they commit to a war, they usually see it through even if it takes several years. But with Iran the stakes are too high; that's why they negotiated a ceasefire.

Lordly13:
this is laughable

Let me just cut the argument short.

Do you know that 10,000 naira is 9.5 million in Iranian currency.
That's the weight of bad governmence.

The government enrich themselves and destroy their nation.

Right now, with their new Supreme leader MIA, there is a power struggle. These guys don't agree on one thing.

1. Iran President say "No more shooting Saudi and Dubai, they're our Muslim brothers"
5 hour later their Revolutionary Guards shots at Saudi

2. President and ministers say "India can pass" yesterday, they shot at 3 Indian tankers


3. President form alliance with China, their Revolutionary Guards turn 3 Chinese ships away

4. President and ministers sees Pakistan as allies, Their military attacked Pakistan ship 2 weeks ago.

The thing you read online is just rubbish use as a defense for losing the war.

You are delusional if you can't see that Iran has established itself as a regional power at least. The Iranian government is structured in such a way that it does not revolve around individuals. Every single leader or general that was killed has been replaced by people with the same principles and ideology. In essence, the regime has survived the onslaught of not just Israel but also the US.

Everything Iran lost in this war, from drones to missiles and infrastructure, can be replenished in 10-20 years. They have the technical know-how, money, and political will; these are the most important things. Netanyahu understands this better than anyone; it would even be better if they didn't fight this war in the first place than to end it with this same Iranian regime still in control. They will be more emboldened, vengeful, and motivated than they were before.

Additionally, with their control over the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has found itself a weapon probably more effective than a nuclear weapon. They can close and reopen the strait anytime they so wish, just as we have seen these past few weeks. In fact, it was their closure that led Trump to order Netanyahu to stand down in Lebanon.

Lordly13:
World power kai , It'll take them more than 50 years to recover from these destructions.


Steel companies destroyed
Chemical companies destroyed
Oil tankers and reservoirs destroyed
Commercial bridge destroyed
More than half of their military commanders dead


1st supreme leader dead
2nd supreme leader in hospital according to Iran, dead according to some.

World power, even Gaza tried more than Iran.

No, having control over the flow of 20% of the world's oil is "world power."

Elusive001:
So shooting at oil tankers off the shores of Oman is "world power" to you?

No, having control over the flow of 20% of the world's oil, is "world power"

Elusive001:
So shooting at oil tankers off the shores of Oman is "world power" to you?

Iran is emerging from this war as a world power.

Noise maker, after making mouth that you will end their civilization, you still go and hustle for a ceasefire; now you have started making noise again.

Iran has played its cards really well. So immediately after the initial ceasefire, Israel launched an attack on Lebanon that left over 300 people dead. To this effect, the Iranians said Israel has violated the terms of the ceasefire and went ahead to block the Strait of Hormuz. Over the past few days, Trump tried to do a counterblock of Iran's blockade but soon realized that was counterproductive. He now had to order Netanyahu to stop his attacks on Lebanon, and he unilaterally announced a ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon this morning. In return, Iran is now lifting the blockade on the Strait of Hormuz.

All in all, it is clear that Iran has found itself in a position where it wields enormous leverage, not just over the US, but over the entire world. If the US makes the mistake of ending this war without effecting regime change, it might well be the beginning of the end of US hegemony, just as the decline of the British Empire came after the Suez Canal crisis.

It's only terrorism when people who refuse to capitulate to imperial powers do it. They once labeled Nelson Mandela, Patrice Lumumba, and Thomas Sankara as terrorists.

Iran was attacked unprovoked in the middle of negotiations, and now they are defending themselves the only way they can, and you open your mouth, wah, and shout terrorist.

Fuckyoumod:
which? Apart from terrorism with other card do they have to play with you and your sympathetic followers.

There was never a ceasefire. There was just a temporary halt for the US to restrategize and wait for reinforcement.

Anybody who knows anything about Iran knows they will never capitulate to the US, and the US is now in a position where ending the war without a regime change or at least securing the 400 kg of enriched uranium will be regarded as a failure.

It is almost inevitable that this war will continue to escalate. There is a reason why all past US presidents have avoided Iran: because even with an inferior military, they have so many cards to play.

I have always had the opinion that buying keke for someone to ride and pay hire purchase is lazy man's business or people who just have money sitting around somewhere not knowing what to do with it. Unless you are doing it to just help the person, there are many other things one can do with 5.2 m that will yield more profit and for a longer duration.

I really struggle to understand boko haram. Like, what is their end goal here? Do they want us to divide Nigeria and create an Islam-based theocracy in the north, or is it that they seek to convert or force the entire country to become Muslims? What is it they want precisely? I really wish I could have the opportunity to speak to a member of Boko Haram leadership so I could really understand their end goal here.

At least with other radicalized groups like Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah, and the Taliban, they had an objective, even if it was misguided; there was one. But with Boko Haram, nothing. I have watched several interviews and conversations of captured Boko Haram members, and there was nothing coherent coming out of their mouths. Just a bunch of illiterate rumblings.

This one na see finish and na this Iran war cause am. Everybody don dey feel like say them fit talk back at the US.

Oga go and open Strait of Hormuz and stop disturbing world peace

Well, the reality is that Iran is currently fighting for its survival. At this point Iran's priority is not to make money off the strait; their main objective is to drive the cost of oil and gas higher to make the war expensive not just for America but for the entire world. Remember at the beginning of the war, Iran set out to push oil prices to $200 per barrel, and by "co-blocking" the strait with Iran, America is helping them achieve just that.

UzorIyke:
They can't humble America, America just want to blockade shipments from their country to other countries as they did to theirs, and also stopping that extortion using Chinese currency they want to implement.
This is greatest step from the US.

So it has finally dawned on Trump that military force cannot clear the Strait, so he has decided to join Iran in blocking it. Perfect.

Iran does not know what God did for them by giving them the Strait of Hormuz. They can now do what very few countries in the world can do: humble America.

I think it is actually one more reason why we should all work together to make Peter Obi president. Obidients think Peter Obi is some kind of Nelson Mandela or Patrice Lumumba. I've listened to that guy speak; he is not intelligent by any stretch of the imagination. If he doesn't become president, they will not let anybody hear word. Same way if Buhari had not ruled Nigeria and we all witnessed his failure together, his followers would have died on the mountain that if only Buhari had ruled Nigeria we would have been better than Dubai.

I want Obi to be president; in fact, I am voting for him in the next election. Let us all learn the lesson together.

seunmsg:
I had a good laugh reading the comments of obidients under the tweet. They went under the tweet to cry and curse. They never fail to disappoint. Looking at their negativity against our country, my resolve to ensure Peter Obi never becomes the president is even more solidified. It is now a task that must be done by all patriotic Nigerians.

This was always going to be the outcome; the distance between their demands is simply too wide to bridge.

You are just reaffirming my point. Iran understands they cannot fight Israel or the US, let alone both, in conventional warfare. So they resort to asymmetric warfare, where they attack America's weaker "friends" and block the Strait of Hormuz. They are not doing this to win against America's military might; they are doing it to hurt America's interests enough to get them to back off. So when a porcupine spreads its quills when threatened by a predator, it's not doing it to win the fight but to inflict just enough pain to make the predator back off.

business360:
Are you sure you are studying the war? Iran is attacking anything, including civilian.
Us-isreal are attacking their base, underground missile facility. Attacking the main people involved in the war.

I have never celebrated the death of a human being and never will. I do not wish death on Trump or Netanyahu. I am just telling the crux of the issue.

Moreover, America is the most powerful country not just on earth but in the history of human civilization. So for Iran to even survive their onslaught, leverage them, and bring them to the negotiating table is a remarkable feat. There is a very short list of countries in the world that can achieve that, and I mean very short.

Sermwell:
Would you be saying thIs if it was America that lost its leadership and military generals to Iran? Would you not have been celebrating that America is finished, even though you know that they can be replaced and America will move in fine?? Tell me!

I don't think so. Iran is not quite at the level where they would be regarded as a "superpower" in the real sense of the word, but they are a significant regional power. We can now see why Israel has been nervous about Iran; they are their only remaining obstacle to becoming the sole hegemon of the Middle East. Netanyahu said he has been dreaming about this war for 40 years.

I have never celebrated the death of a human being and never will. I do not wish death on Trump or Netanyahu. I am just telling the crux of the issue.

Moreover, America is the most powerful country not just on earth but in the history of human civilization. So for Iran to even survive their onslaught, leverage them, and bring them to the negotiating table is a remarkable feat. There is a very short list of countries in the world that can achieve that, and I mean very short.

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Would you be saying thIs if it was America that lost its leadership and military generals to Iran? Would you not have been celebrating that America is finished, even though you know that they can be replaced and America will move in fine?? Tell me! [/quote]

You can't see past your nose. The Iranian government is structured in such a way that it does not revolve around individuals. Every single leader or general that was killed has been replaced by people with the same principles and ideology. In essence, the regime has survived the onslaught of not just Israel but also the US.

Everything Iran lost in this war, from drones to missiles and infrastructure, can be replenished in 10-20 years. They have the technical know-how, money, and political will; these are the most important things. Netanyahu understands this better than anyone; it would even be better if they didn't fight this war in the first place than to end it with this same Iranian regime still in control. They will be more emboldened, vengeful, and motivated than they were before.

Additionally, with their control over the Strait of Hormuz, Iran is in a much better position to negotiate now than they were before the war, which means they will likely get some form of sanction relief.

Sermwell:
You can keep deceiving yourselves, but Iran has suffered deadly blow in thIs war! Supreme leader gone, top military generals gone and the present leader incapacitated! What's left?

What are you even saying? Which one is "the war is between USA Israel and Russia China and North Korea". Shey na North Korea block the Strait of Hormuz or na for Russia, the US, and Israel dey drop bombs.

As for the second part of your statement, if you think Peter Obi or Atiku will do any different than Tinubu, then you cannot see beyond your nose.

Dantatanazzy007:
Oga the war is between USA Israel and Russia China and North Korea...no come here dey yearn dust...na your type go vote tinibu next year

Isn't it remarkable what Iran has been able to achieve in this war? The war started with "The US will accept nothing less than an unconditional surrender." Fast forward 40 days later and see what is coming out of JD Vance's mouth: "We are looking forward to the negotiations with Iran, and we are hoping they will be positive." There are many lessons to be learned from this. Iran has shown that war is not 1+1=2. There are many ways to fight a war, and if you play the cards at your disposal right, you might actually survive and even come out with a victory, even when your opponent is far superior to you in might.

Abba has delivered one of the biggest political shockers of our time. The same people that fought tooth and nail to rig the election you won in 2019 are the same people you have now handed over your government to after betraying the person who stood by you every step of the way since 2019 to 2023, when you had no name, no money, and no voice. Abeg, what is Tinubu promising all these governors.

Wow, this is really interesting. I guess Iran didn't realize all these years that they were already in possession of a weapon more powerful than any nuclear weapon. Just by blocking the Strait of Hormuz, they can hold the entire global economy to ransom. I don't think having a nuclear weapon can give them that much leverage.

Israel is the wild card in this ceasefire. They will never allow peace to reign in the Middle East.

What is there now to sit down and negotiate a permanent peace? Israel should leave their neighbors in peace and treat them with the same dignity as every other human being. Iran should forever give up their quest for nuclear weapons and limit their ballistic missile capabilities. Everybody wins. But no, you say you are God's chosen people and that he has promised you the land from the river Nile to the Euphrates 3,000 years ago. Oya go and carry na.

Trump and the US don't have problem. Even Iran self am sure if they really sit down and talk with one mind, they can iron this out very easily. But you see Israel, that is the real devil; they will never allow peace. Their own is from the "river to the sea" at all cost. Tufiakwa. Thank God say no be this continent them promise them, na we for dey collect.

I just said it. The US doesn't have problem. It is Israel that is the wild card here; they will always find a way to incite war. When somebody fundamentally and ideologically believes that he is "God's chosen people" and he has the right over the land from the river to the sea, how do you deal with that?

Israel's opposition leader, Yair Lapid, spent the whole of yesterday ranting over how Nethanyanhu has failed them. So you can imagine all the destruction Israel has done in the West Bank, Gaza, and Lebanon; yet the people of the country still believe it is not enough; they have failed because they didn't get the land from the river to the sea.

Elusive001:
Stop talking like an APC member.

Read what V.P. Vance said below.

Israel is the wild card in all of this. They will never allow peace to reign in the Middle East.

What is there now to sit down and negotiate a permanent peace? Israel should leave their neighbors in peace and treat them with the same dignity as every other human being. Iran should forever give up their quest for nuclear weapons and limit their ballistic missile capability. Everybody wins. But no, you say you are Gods chosen people and that he has promised you the land from the river nile to the Euphrates 3,000 years ago. Oya go and carry na.

Trump and US don't have problem. Even Iran self am sure if they really sit down and talk with one mind, they can iron this out very easily. But you see Israel, that is the real devil, they will never allow peace. Their own is from the "river to the sea" at all cost. Tufiakwa. Thank God say no be this continent them promise them, na we for dey collect.