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A war with Iran is simply not sustainable; which is why all former US presidents avoided it. One thing is for sure; the US is not going to be attacking Iran again anytime soon, it's just not worth it for the US. If Israel wants to do it, they will have to find a way to do it on their own.

This is exactly why I don't particularly take people who are always insulting the government seriously; because the problem with Nigeria i have come to realize is Nigerians.

OnionBandit:
If Transport fare slash drastically in same manner, make I bend.

Nigeria is a country that urgently needs everything that can make humans behave like humans.

What is now the purpose of this stupid war only to end up with a similar deal that Obama already signed.

So what did the US now achieve in this stupid war.

So many people like to attack this man for reasons that are beyond me. All I see is a man who made the most of the opportunities and advantages life presented him in a way that many of us would not.

I've seen dumb things on the internet before but certainly nothing as grand as this . What imbecility it is to believe that there is a Fu**i*g god somewhere that gifted a bunch of white Europeans a piece of land somewhere in the middle east is the height of insanity. the bible is a bunch of lies conjured by greek royalties to control their people and the fact that a human being in the 21st century uses it to justify aggressive behaviors towards other is troubling

TOPMAN4LIFE:
The problem with people like you is that, you don't Google or make your findings from the internet but relies on hearsays.
If you search the internet, you will see that USA didn't help Israel militarily and financially during the Israel war of independence in 1948 where Israel overcame some Arab countries that came to fight Israel.
Israel has been existing on the land where they are now from the beginning of the earth.
Jesus Christ who was born as a Jew lived and operated in many towns and villages that are still present in Israel today.
It was about 600years after Jesus Christ left this world that Mohammed was born.
And Jesus Christ was a Jew who was born in Bethlehem that's occupied by Palestine today,
The home town of Jesus Christ is Nazareth and the town is still in Israel till today.
As written in the Bible, Jesus Christ moved across many towns and villages that are still present in where Israel is till today.
Towns and villages like Nazareth, Capernaum, Jerusalem, Cana, Bethany, Bethlehem, Jericho, tyre and Sidon in present day Lebanon.
The fight between Israel and Egypt started from Bible time until Egypt finally succumbed after Israel dealt with Egypt and signed peace agreement with Israel in 1970s
Jews own the land, the Arab came to meet them there.
It's the nature of arabs and Islam to go around and take over other people land through jihad where they will kill owner of the land and take over their land.
The jihadists diɗ it in many northern Nigeria towns including Ilorin Kwara State,
And the jihadists are still doing it in middle belt part of Nigeria like Benue State, Taraba state, plateau State, southern Kaduna etc where they will kill owner of the land and claim the land.
But Israel doesn't want such things to continue again, they must collect back all their lands the Arab Muslim have taken over

If Israel could take on Iran on their own they would have done it 40 years ago; Netanyahu said so himself and here you are after swallowing eba and egusi capping dust.

mikeapollo:
Trump is interested in what happens in Iran because it can affect the price of crude oil which would affect the US economy and Trump's political fortunes and that of hi party. Tha is the main reason Trumps wants to manage how the Iran war progresses. It is not because Israel cannot take Iran on.
If not for Trump, Israel could have bombed and destroyed all the bridges, power and energy installations in Iran long time before now, but that would make price of crude oil to jump to USD200 per barrel and Trump does not want that.

Before nko? They should not agree to cease fire now, you think Iran is the same as Gaza and Lebanon that they can bomb with impunity.

Dotherightthing:
They didn't need permission to start the war. It was a preemptive war.

But Trump FORCED them to accept the ceasefire.

When Israel is fighting weak countries like Lebanon and Gaza they don't need permission from Trump, but when it comes to Iran then all of a sudden, it is Trumps permission they are waiting for . The fear of Iran is the beginning of wisdom

Dotherightthing:
Trump FORCED Israel to end that war just as he is currently doing

Israel was ready to go all the way

Israel has been WINNING against Iran

You people don't know what you are talking about. You think you know better than Netanyahu . There was never a time in its history when the US didn't support Israel financially and militarily. Without the US there is no Israel. Israel is a desert with no natural resources of its own. It is funded by the US.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Israel can win war against Iran all alone.
The first war of independence where Israel fought and won many Arab countries, the USA diɗ not support in any way.
It was when the USA saw the capability of Israel that the USA allows Israel as ally.
Even iran too doesn't fight alone, Iran gets intelligence and weapons from China and Russia.

And you think Iran will just fold it arms and allow Israel to destroy 80% of its country . Israel has more intelligence on Iran than any of us and they recognize that Iran is the biggest threat to their national security; yet the exercise enormous restraint when it comes to Iran as bad as they want its destruction because they also recognize that Iran has enough capabilities to inflict significant damage to them beyond what they can tolerate like with Hezbollah or Hamas.

mayor1814:
That is d issue. Israel will not wait for Iran to launch all those 50 ballistic missiles u talked about. Israel will already destroy most parts of Iran with his own airstrikes and missiles that will 80 per cent cripple Iran mercilessly.

There is no world where Israe will defeat Iran in a prolonged conflict without the US . Israel is a tiny country, if just 50 ballistic missiles find their way into a city it will wreck untold havoc. Iran will suffer heavy losses too no doubt, but their size and population mean they will absorb 10 times more strikes than Israel can absorb, Israel cannot afford that and that is why they have avoided direct confrontation with Iran for 40 years because all former US presidents refused to join them; Netanyahu said this on the first day of the war.

ElevationD:
Sorry boy, you do not have an understanding of the delay in attacking Iran.

You must know that the state of Israel has a long standing iron clad mutual defence pact with the USA. That defense pact, much as it favors the Israelis, it also favors the Americans.

The Middle East is a volatile area, with many contending interests and powers.

The Israelis have been very reluctant, not because they cannot attack and destroy Iran, but because the know that a wrongly calculated move would jeopardize American interests in the region. Their mutual defence pact assures a combined response in the event of an attack against any of them.

Now, will Iran defeat Israel in a war? The answer is a clear NO. First Iran has the advantage of geographical landmass and soldiers. That advantage ends there. Their ballistic and drone missiles cannot save them from a single Israeli attack, which in a twinkle of an eye will wipe out the entire nation of Iran. The Israelis possess the nuclear weapon. They will not use it as they know that no man will be alive the day after to narrate the story. It is a deterrent. However, if there’s a threat to the existence of the nation, the Israelis will not hesitate to use it as a last resort.

Why do you think the US is seeking a deal with Iran? It's because they have realized there is no victory to be won here. If there was a military solution to Iran, do you think Trump would not have used it in the first week of the war and go home claiming victory that has never been seen before like he did in Venezuela.

Israel cannot win a war against Iran without the help and backing of the US and if you cannot see that you have not been paying attention to the war at all.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
It's because the USA has been seeking for a deal from Iran.
Trump can't be compared with Netanyahu when it comes to war.
Trump should just step aside and allow the two countries to fight it out,
If Israel doesn't cut the head of snake which is Iran, Israel will not live in peace.
Iran has been sponsoring many terrorists groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc against Israel.

See what you are saying; they killed hamas leader in Iran is that the same as attacking Iran. The only time Israel actually attacked Iran was in june last year during the 12 day war and that war ended with US intervention. You don't need to be a genius to figure out that Israel cannot win a war against Iran without the US and Netanyahu himself has admitted as much on several occasions.

Dotherightthing:
Iran killed Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh, in Iran

This war alone is proof to why all previous US presidents refused to fight Iran. It comes with a heavy price and there is no victory to be won, if you cannot see that you are the one lying to yourself.

decasey:
even you yourself know you are lying.

Which attacks are you talking about apart from the one in June last year, where the US brokered a ceasefire. Are you confusing Iran with Gaza or Lebanon

Dotherightthing:
All the attacks they've been carrying out on Iran since 2023, did they ask for US permission?

Israel is good at assassinations, no doubt about that. But fighting a sustained war against Iran is just not something they can afford and they know it. It is not Trump or US that is holding them back anything, when they want to attack Lebanon and Gaza do they wait for the US?

Dotherightthing:
It's the US/Trump holding Israel back all these years

Israel has been striking Iran some time now without US support or permission

Israel has wiped out virtually all Iranian leaders and nuclear scientists

You must be joking. Without America, Israel will not stand against Iran for long. Bibi himself said it, he had wanted a war with Iran for 40 years but couldn't get an American president that was willing to fight Iran until Trump came along.

Dotherightthing:
Iran just gave Israel the golden opportunity to finish it

This is the first time Iran is proactively attacking Israel in their history. Netanyahu has no choice but to respond obviously but it now clear that this war has made Iran more confident and confrontational.

Oh! the account i heard growing up was Nigerian soldiers opening fire on people who came out for the demonstration, i'll definitely fact check that. Nonetheless, my point is that denying that the massacre occurred is dishonest.

SmartyPants:
The Asaba massacre definitely occured but the direct victims were men not women and children. On that day residents gathered en masse to welcome the Nigerian troops, to show that they meant no harm. The Nigerian troops separated the men from the women and killed the men.

The women were reportedly molested over several days. The entire incident was a sordid stain on the history of the nation, however it is important to get your facts right. The direct victims were largely men.

Denying the Asaba massacre is just wild, when the vast majority of the victims were women and children demonstrating their support for Nigeria.

FSBoperator:
There was no such thing as Asaba massacre.

Murtala had hunted down Biafran rogue soldiers who were not able to escape across the Niger bridge before Ojukwu blew it up when his rogue invasive army retreated from the Midwest following their defeat at Ore.

Those so-called civilians were actually Biafran soldiers who had ditched their uniforms and tried to blend with the civilian population.

They were rounded up and summarily executed as spies as the United Nations war convention explicitly states that any belligerent party in a war must always maintain their uniforms and carry identification papers when surrendering. Those guys ditched their uniforms and wore mufti. Several were captured in Benin and Warri and summarily executed as spies as the Geneva convention does not apply to spies and since they ditched their uniforms, ranks and papers that would have identified them as would be POWs, the Geneva convention did not apply to them and as such were treated as spies and executed on the spot.

You should also be aware that Biafran soldiers retreating from the battle of Ore, pillaged every non Ibo community in the Midwest on their retreating path. These same banzas were part of the Biafran rogue army that could not make it across the Niger before Ojukwu blew the bridge up and decided to ditch their uniforms and blend in with the civilian population.

In Warri, word had gone out to the people to look out for any young able bodied man roaming around without a shirt or looking to steal clothing . The civilian population had seen several rogue Biafran soldiers going topless and searching people's cloth lines to steal their shirts.

Murtala did no wrong.

There is this iconic photo of a Vietnamese Colonel executing a North Vietnamese officer .

The NVA officer was in civilian clothes when he was captured and executed.

It so happen that the NVA had launched an offensive in the South Vietnamese capital of Saigon targeting US military bases in the famous Tet offensive.

When the story broke of the Vietnamese officer executing a '' civilian '' in broad daylight and the pictures splashed on newspapers back in the US, there were widespread condemnation

But when clarification was provided with a context that the '' civilian '' was a senior officer who partook in the Tet offensive and had ditched his uniform as he made a retreat, everywhere quieted down.

That's what happened in Asaba .

How is it possible to gather 800 civilians and they will all stand there and be shot before a crowd?

The execution and not massacre was carried on captured Biafra deserters who were lined up and executed before the Asaba crowd that were cooperating with the enemy as a stark example of what will befall any who continues to support Biafra.

Pic below is the iconic execution of a NVA officer who was captured during the Tet offensive being executed on the spot by a South Vietnamese officer.

People who have never been to the North will find this hard to believe

Sure, if my other neighbors assisted the neighbor when he slapped me, then you best believe am coming for them too.

We saw the limit of Israeli air defense system because bombs landed in the heart of Tel Aviv on multiple occasions. Iran has been under brutal sanctions for 50 years while Israel is basically a 51st US state, yet Iran is taking on both of them at once. There is no world where Israel will attack Iran without the US and if they could Netanyahu would not have spent 40 years waiting for an American president that will finally agree to help him fight Iran.

When they want to attack weaker countries like Lebanon and Gaza, they don't wait for the US, they do it because they can and those countries will not be able to fight back. Iran is different, they have invested heavily in Shahed drones, ballistic missiles and even hypersonic missiles. They now also have control over the strait of Hormuz. So, it not out of the kindness of their heart or concern for civilians that made the US did a ceasefire, Iran, unlike Lebanon or Gaza, can actually fight back

ElevationD:
Can you imagine a your like this justifying cowardice. Your neighbour slapped you, rather than retaliate, you went after other neighbours, fighting them, leaving the original person who slapped you.

But you all claimed that the Israeli defence systems were not working. If not for shame, how would Iran, with a population of ninety million not be able to successfully fight and conquer Israel, with a population of nine million people? How was Iran not able to attack Israel first? This is the second time the Israelis have taken the war to Iran. Thank your stars that Israel did not attack the civilian population.

A country that has taken on and defeated practically all the nations in the Middle East, looks defeatable to you

This is a completely wrong assessment. Netanyahu himself said at the start of the war that he had wanted this war for 40 years; he never did because there was not a single US president that agreed to fight Iran with him, until Trump came along.

Let's even look at what happened during the war, Iran launched thousands of missiles to Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, US aircraft carriers, and Israel itself; now imagine if Iran only focused on Israel. There is no way Israel can even dream about attacking Iran without the help of the US.

Tenses:
I was telling you guys in another thread that it's the USA that is holding Isreal from totally annihilation of Iran.

That Netanyahu is a brutal war lord that has zero tolerance for terrorists.

America always looking for how to take financial and economic advantage in every situation while to Isreal, their only aim is to survive.

Iran has really done wonders in this war.

Government should just pay for energy products na so everyone can get it for free. Before now, Nigeria's budget on subsidy was more than it was on Education and Health. How sustainable do you think that is?

Gboss247:
Government of other countries are subsidizing energy products, reducing taxes while yours is doing the opposite and the only you could do is to quote imaginary competition theory while suffering and smiling.

This is a good development. Fuel importation should not have been banned in the first place; it doesn't make any sense for Dangote to be the sole distributor and determinant of oil prices in the country. A healthy competition is necessary to create checks and balances that will ultimately benefit the final consumer.

Ben Gavir is a despicable man, who should be indicted for crimes against humanity.

Those countries have been paying billions of dollars to the US for years to protect them. As war come, US could not even defend its own bases, the soldiers stationed there immediately left and lodged in hotels , basically telling the gulf countries "all man for himself". Iran is now adding insult to injury by telling them to pay compensation for even accomodating the US . Truely, Wahala be like bycicle.

The difference is that when Dangote brought in India to run his refinery, they don't take the proceeds or the oil back to India. Read the headline; Trump is boasting they used Venezuela's oil to pay for the Iran war 25 times over. If you cannot understand why that is wrong for a country like Venezuela to be in such a position, i dont know what else to say to you.

QuinQ:
Your wife and children are himan beings. Oil is business. Dangote brought in India to run his refinery. US itself sells ANYTHING to the highest bidder regardless of whether u r American, except it affects national security. If you have the money you can buy anything in US (now including US citizenship)

The right analogy would be; why not hand over your wife and children to your neighbor who has demonstrated better management skills of taking care of his own than you. The answer is that there are things that define your essence as an individual and if you lose control of those your very existence is useless.

QuinQ:
Why is it that it is only when it comes to countries that this mentality arises? In business, you hand the company to people who have demonstrated good management skills and it always works out better. We have more natural resources per capita than America, so why should they be doing ao much better than us? That's the kind of question u ask in business

Slave mentality

QuinQ:
Why not go ask Venezuelans if they're better off before. It is like we taking our oil from totally corruot NNPC and hading it to America to manage