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winner01:
It is not the task of Christianity to provide easy answers to every question, but to make us progressively aware of a mystery.
God is not so much the object of our knowledge as the cause of our wonder.

Those questions no matter how touching constantly reminds us that nowhere in God's word was man or christians promised a life free of pain. Nowhere in God's word was man promised the answers to all his questions.

God is and forever will be. We were created with limits and it's why we will forever wonder.

Did u just claim "No where"?

Btw, long time no see winnero1

This is from Obama's farewell speech.

It is very obvious he knows prayers, religion and church don't solve problems but they only play to the fantasies and hopes of the believers. Scientific and practical approaches solve problems


I’ve mourned with grieving families searching for answers, and found grace in Charleston church. I’ve seen our scientists help a paralyzed man regain his sense of touch, and our wounded warriors walk again. I’ve seen our doctors and volunteers rebuild after earthquakes and stop pandemics in their tracks Obama 2017

I see indoctrinated black heads bowing down to a white image.

cursed race

bennyann:
Realmindz I'll beat you ooo Don't mistake that softheartedness for weakness.

I hope you're not insinuating seun is hardhearted? From my observation I think he isn't, he is just cunny. Yesterday, I also saw him to be kind of deceitful.

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There are Christians who have a higher level of reasoning beyond his but they still stand with God. They've tried every form of reasons and still never left God. Some Christians here on nairaland are in the same level of reasoning with him- so what do you say about that?

And don't forget, your level of reasoning does not determine how wise you are, the path you take after all your reasoning determines how right you are.

But who can outreason God? so no need bragging my friend OK?

The end matters a lot and it's a pity that's where all the answers lie for those who are hardhearted. But I'll make sure in my own personal way, I don't let the end come before you get the answers. I'm sure you'll get the answers before it's too late by the special grace of God.

You may laugh at these, but right now that's your business. My business won't make sense to you now.

oh my I feel like crying, so touching

bennyann:
The tune is nice and the instrumentation.... I like it.

Seun if I find myself humming the song, I'll come for you.


See who is talking about dogma , I thought you learnt letting the kids find out things on their own? Anyways when they find out they can't depend on themselves totally, they will look for answers then.

Seun wanted God to spoon-feed him throughout but God said no son, now it's time to feed you with bones and seun ran away.....

Oh Seun, you're such a baby..... Truth be told

You couldn't stay then and now you think you're doing everything on your own? Like totally on your own? I shake my head

Heiii, Evangelist Seun... The devil will go mad the day Jesus will arrest you.

I have observed you have a soft heart, that's why Christianity and its delusions appeal so much to you.
Seun has advanced far beyond your level of reasoning so you may never be able to fathom it

hopefulLandlord:
I'm being misunderstood again!
my word is "Ha!"
mind you, I didn't type Hahahahahahahahaha or Hehehehehehehehe
now try to picture the kinda body language that flows with the word "Ha!"
select which one of the attached pic relates to the word

lol hilarious

pressplay411:
I never claimed to be either. I can only strive to be Morally Righteous. Holiness is a status I consider impossible to attain cos how can any one claim to be Perfect and Flawless in deed, utterance and in thought?

Even if one achieves Holiness in deed and utterance, it's impossible to keep your thoughts holy in this sinful world where you can't even control what you're exposed to.

However Moral Righteousness is a factor of Geography. What's morally right varies across cultures/tribe/country/race as you rightly adjudged it to societal and human discretion.

So technically no one can even be morally righteous. You can only be morally righteous in your locality.lol

To say one obeys boundary between righteousness and Holiness, then it is Holiness.

Righteousness is simply to humanity, every human has a conscience.

Holiness is to religion, what is right to a Muslim is a sin to a Christian.
That which is a sin to a Jehovah witness is right to a Catholic
A deeper life wont use earrings because it's sinful etc and it gets so complicated.

Holiness brings division even within homes, a Jehovah witness won't attend functions of a Catholic, a Muslim parent disown their daughter because she wish to marry a Christian etc

Righteousness brings humanity together.

Let me ask you, Holy Elisha cursed 40 little kids for mocking him and they were devoured by bears, is it righteous?

Would you have done the same?

religion and ignorance..
my people perish for lack of knowledge.
otemanuduno , what do u ve to say about this

petra1:
The Anichrist would first be a friend of isreal then after 3/12 years he will stope Jewish activities at the Temple Mount .

and what's our business with the jews you bloody african.

this generation of blacks is cursed with a curse...
may the light shine on the future generation to break away from this religious/mental bondage that has made us slaves to others forgetting our history and demonizing our own ancestors.

pressplay411:
"Righteousness is simply applying your conscience and common sense.
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So every one decides what he deems Righteous, by your definition.
An a graduate loses his job, he has a wife and kids to feed with another baby on the way. He's tried to play by the rules, applied for jobs, even picked up a menial job to make ends meet but his boss delays his payment, maybe cos the economy is bad so business is bad or the guy mistakenly damage company property, bottom line he's not paid.
He ends up alone in the office one night, sees a briefcase, "borrows" N300,000 to solve his family issues.
To him, that was Right, how could he let his family starve to death?

Was that Righteous? If nabbed, should he be arrested and jailed?
Should he have let his family starve to death?

he committed a crime, he broke the law and he will face the consequences of his actions.
He might choose to learn from his mistakes and seek better means of solving his problems rather than theft..

We humans have made laws for ourselves regarding this situation and we dont need the gods or religion to tell us what to do.

don't get it confused, no one is perfect and our sense of judgement may be wrong, we can only learn to improve over our past, but the foolish will never learn. That's different from holiness where you try to live by a standard of religion amd laws written by gods imposing holiness

Will you choose righteousness or holiness?

pleasing your god/religion over your fellow man and/or laws made by men for societal benefits.

Will you give your tithe to church when your neighbour is in need?

A colleague at work is celebrating a birthday, everyone wished him happy birthday except a certain Jehovah witness who will never wish him because he his being holy....He is pleasing his god/doctrine over human. That is holiness

Are you righteous or holy?

Wilgrea7:
and if i may ask... how did you know that those scientists used religion as a cover... please can you state one bible verse that prohibits Christians from doing scientific research??

he's right, many scientist in those days had to adopt a religion because their lives were being threatened.

Do your research.

And I also tick Christianity when filling forms, I know it makes no meaning anyway but I'm just using my common sense.

pressplay411:
Who determines what is right or wrong?

Is drinking right?
Is masturbation right?
When you fight wars, is killing then some times right?
Homosexuality hurts no one, religion aside is it wrong?

Agreed there's a need to disambiguate righteousness and holiness but who then determines what is righteous?

Righteousness is simply applying your conscience and common sense.
Righteousness is to humanity
Holiness is to religion/gods
a holy person will rather do things that pleases his gods than do things that favour humanity.
For example, a Jehovah witness will never sing national anthem because it's a sin when a patriotic citizen will.
A patriotic citizen of Nigeria won't support homosexuality either.
Some religions are anti-civilisation and the followers will do everything to enforce them against humanity causing backwardness. That's holiness.
Some people don't use drugs believing it's a sin and their gods will cure them, that's holinesss.

I know for me, the doctor has advised against alcoholic drink, and I go ahead to drink and have serious consequences...then I am facing the consequences of my actions not a god punishing me, next time I will apply my common sense not to drink.
well a doctor advised you to take a table spoon of strong wine every night for your health condition, you say alcohol is a sin and you refuse. That's Holiness, doing what you are told just to please your god wether right for you or wrong

ifenes:
Sin is only applicable to religious folks. Paying your rent rather paying than your tithe is a sin. Common sense demands your secure your shelter but a religious mind would rather sleep outside than provoke the pastor/ his illusionary god.

exactly, while a Muslim pays no tithe and he is considered holy but there is holy jihad


Simply put , holiness is doing what you have been told regardless of what is right.
Morality/ righteousness is doing what is simply right judging with common sense and conscience.

Holiness is to religion and hypocrisy
Righteousness is to morality, common sense and judgment.

A holy person makes mistake and calls it a sin, runs to his gods for forgiveness not to lose favour and fear of being punished.

A righteous person makes mistakes and knows that mistake is a part of humanity, learns from them, apply his common sense to improve on them for a better future.

A holy person will rather watch his fellow human suffer and obey his gods e.g. his tithe belongs to Yaweh alone when his neighbor or brother is in need. Or someone cursing another for gods or killing another for his gods.

A righteous person will do what is right to help humanity rather than gods

ITbomb:
I will disagree with you slightly especially your last conclusive statement

I take it that you dont believe in the Bible but for the sake of the definitive words (righteousness and holiness) lets use the Bible as the ex ratione.

My Bible role model is King David because he was truly Yahweh's vessel of action and did what was right in the sight of Yahweh, however, there is a place where he came back from battle and was hungry and had to eat that which was forbidden for him and his men to eat because the food there was reserved for the holy men (Never kill or gave themselves to women). 1 Samuel 21:5-6

If you look at the Hebrew society, you will noticed that the people set aside as priests (Levi) and considered as Holy men NEVER went to war, even when they march into battle with the soldiers, they were there as spiritual motivators and never involved in the battle. It is said. "“They shall teach Your laws to Jacob and Your instructions to Israel” (Deut. 33:10). Therefore they were set aside from the ways of the world: they do not go to war, as do the rest of Israel".


Therefore righteousness is doing what is right in the sight of God in your everyday life and what is right is captured in the "Greatest Commandment" as given by Him that is called The Christ (Matt 22:37 & Rom 13:8-10), and this "commandment" does not mean you must be a Christian to keep, even as atheist is expected to "Owe no man anything, save to love one another, for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law".
And also understand that the righteous man can take wife or go to war to defend the people of God

BUT

A holy man is set aside from the ways of the world: they do not go to war nor take wives, they instruct the righteous on the ways of the Lord.

I agree perfectly with otemanuduno.

what is sin? And what is holiness?
sin is doing contrary to what you have been told.

for example, a Muslim will never eat pork because his religion forbids and when he does he commits sin while to you it's no sin.
a Jehovah witness wont celebrate birthday because it's Sin
and when they commit they believe eyes are watching them and they beg for forgiveness..

Righteousness is applying common sense to judge good from bad and not obeying some laws or fear of some gods.


Nice one otem

hahn:
Do you regard everything you read in the bible as true?

beautiful question

Muafrika2:
Does the woman know what she is doing? These African demons take such things personaly

I wont blame you, the whites have washed your brain and you see your ancestral gods as demons and theirs as holy and supreme

Xaddy:
I do hope one day the black man, the african man will love himself, will appreciate himself, his history, his skin colour and his culture...

Like Malcolm X said "Who taught you to hate your own self"

when others write your history, that's when u will believe that ur ancestors were from the middle East.

That's when u will believe that Eledumare, olorun = Yaweh/ Jehovah and Eshu = Satan

The whites made us demonize our own gods while worshipping the jewish gods as holy and supreme...

if you must worship a god, why the jewish gods?
But the power of delusion will never make people ask questions and if u tell them, they call u satanic

LordAdam7:
Some kids will give her funny names and some will run away from her. That's human nature. We're scared of the unknown and anything that is unfamiliar.

But most of the kids will understand her, a few will be her friends, and after an initial relapse period, she'll be accepted into their social fold.

Special kids face this all the time, whether it's something as benign as polydactyly or something as conspicuous as this rare condition. They eventually learn to live with the attention. But what gets them through is when some people (not everyone) gets them. The goal is not for all the kids to accept her. It is for enough kids to accept her that she'll be able to get the necessary education she needs at her age.

If she was in the US, she'd benefit from home-schooling programs. But alas she is in India where that is not an option.

This doesn't end at the school. Every day of her life and until her death, she'd be accosted by worrying stares and unnecessary pity. But education will be one of the fortitudes she needs to brace the odds that life is throwing at her.

She needs education almost as much if not more than she needs a cure. Dismissing her from school is the biggest blow yet after not being able to find a cure. She's resilient, so I'm rooting for her to get the education she needs even if it has to be at another school or at a dedicated school for special kids.

-Lord

I just have to agree with you, most especially her going to a school of special needs.

maasoap:
See ignorance at its peak, chai! It's a condition that has to do with her genetic make up. Why are you now talking about epidemic?

it may not be my fault when you have comprehension issues...dont jump into commenting.

from my understanding of the school's judgement, they did not understand what was wrong with her and might ve done so to prevent a breakdown....that was the point I made. i know lowly minds like urself will jump to read it in a different way and scream ignorance.

Mr. knowledgeable take it easy

godquality:
This kind of reasoning makes me speechless and not in a good way. Epidemic in deed... We do have intelligent illiterates roaming around.

read again for better comprehension...
I said that from the school's perspective...

LordAdam7:
Oga this is very different.

What is wrong with asking for a doctor's report to ascertain that her condition is not communicable? She has siblings and they've not contracted the disease, and you're talking about an epidemic. You're blowing this thing out of proportion.

People are different, and for special kids (I refuse to call them kids with disabilities) you'd be surprised what a little bit of love and acceptance can do to that poor child.

The school should preach acceptance. Get her classmates to interact with her, understand her disease condition, and see that behind that flaky skin is a kid just like them with dreams and aspirations. Kids are very accepting, even more than adults. They'll accept her in class and even be her strongest confidantes giving her support and succor.

And no she is not scary. She is different. I would not discriminate anyone based on the appearance they can't control.

We fail as human beings when others are discriminated based on their appearance, race, gender, sexuality, and whatever differences plague mankind. That girl could have been you. Have some empathy.

The school is wrong. I hope this news attracts the attention of organizations that would help her find an accepting school. Girl child education is of paramount importance.

-Lord

yeah ok, that's reasonable...probably if the school had tried to educate her colleagues about the nature of her challenge she might ve been accepted.

But u know kids can be funny, giving her funny names and some will still run away from her. That's would be more depressing and devastating than her leaving school.

And I believe the reporter used the word kicked out of school deliberately. We dont know the extent to which the school had gone and probably advised her to withdraw from school. Don't believe everything you hear on media as reported.

nams77:
Then you need to change your moniker. That disease is not contagious it is a genetic disorder that's why there is not treatment yet. You can't seat beside her? I will and can even make friends with her just to make her feel happy and wanted. There is one lady near my office with a form of deformity. I had to go and make her my friend. Each time I greet and play with her, people are surprised and some others look at me as if I am mad. But that's just me. Glad to put a smile on the faces of rejected ones like these. It could be you or anyone else. By the way, the school should know better that it is not contagious and explain to their students

I never said the disease was contagious, I sed the school must ve done so out of that fear.

And u think this is not enough to scare kids? It's so unfortunate, kids won't be Comfortable around her. That's pure fact and there's nothing anyone can do about it
Don't mix emotions with reality, this is not a movie.

The reasonable thing to do is to take her out of school and seek medical help for her. her case needs to be made public which they are doing now to seek support

azimibraun:
The word " Thrown" makes it inhumane. It depicts outright rejection with no empathy shown to the lil lady, her condition and her family. Diplomacy could make you thank a Man for slaping you. All the same you were slapped. That lady needs a bit of kindness that's all.

yeah that's true.
but I believe the word thrown out was used by the reporter probably to wip out more sympathy for her. I'm sure the school must ve shown the diplomacy.

brandonobi:
it is unfair, the only thing this girl is guilty of is being a human, like she has any control of her body's physical appearance, I can imagine a Nigerian being like this and being leveled evil.

There is nothing wrong in throwing her out of school. that has to be done as a precautionary means to prevent an epidemic.
The school may not know what's actually wrong with her and decided to act safe than being sorry.

And truth be told, she actually looks scary and she would ve scared the hell out of those kids.

I'm sure u I won't be comfortable studying beside her.


You remember Ebola patients, they were completely isolated and their bodies were cremated...so would you call that discrimination or inhumanity?

I wish her quick healing

Any ranking in Nigeria where Unilag is not within 1 to 3 is no ranking....They say

with moustache

lepasharon:
My thoughts too with a bald head too

analice107:
Very soft when it has to do with humans, not you e-demons here.

I can bet you are a very ugly girl. Nothing personal, just saying.

congrats on his repentance, can u now hand him over to the security so he can face the law for his crimes?


Black race, backward people. This is one reason u will never progress, religion and sentiments

kolaish:
I have not seen where pastors are threatening people to pay tithe, if there is any place like that let us know. Once again, it is voluntary (matter of choice). So, why the noise about tithe always. if your church is not following the bible as you presume, there are hundreds of churches around, simply move or better still, confront/ask your pastor the justification for tithe or are you afraid to confront your pastor about it? You bring up tithe matter always as if the church is all about tithe paying.

Tithe is not compulsory but if you dont pay!!!!! you know the devourer is awaiting you

see below what our con master, uncle Adeboye RCCG once sed.



“Go back and tell your members to stop robbing God. Tell them not to fail in the payment of their tithes and vows.
“The reason you must pay your tithes and vows,” he stressed, “is that nobody knows when trouble will come. When trouble comes, God has a defence for His people, but such defence cannot be extended to those who are disobedient to His Word.”