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felixomor:
Yes I dont know, from the bible.

Check Genesis 1 for the full account of creation of plants and animals.

I think God's 4- 6th day in summary.

Chapter closed. I need a Christian that knows or someone hungry for knowledge.


Hehehe, 21st century man saying he does not know, unforgivable...or using a phrase like God's 4th - 6th day. How laughable

otemanuduno:
Maybe petroleum products are the sh*its of Adam and Eve created by Mr Yahweh 6000 years ago

I tell you

felixomor:
The age of the earth is not specified in the bible.
Even before Gen 1:3 there was already darkness on the face of its deeps.

So I will not add my own information to the bible.

so you don't know?

ok let me ask, according to creation, when were plants and animals created in the bible?

felixomor:
Just as some "Christians" also believe fornication is ok
.....? Abi
So because you met such Christians, they became your excuse for poor research abi?

if you wish to address that, you can create a thread for it.
But this thread is about people who still think the earth is 6000 years old and defend it with their bibles.
Now let's start with you, what's your belief about the age of the earth? And can you express yourself without insults and going out of topic

felixomor:
Oga,
Please close this thread.
Its a shameful thing to open a thread with a claim you cant Back up from the bible.

Shameful.

Anger, frustration and insults...
Their regular trade marks.


I have met several Christians, graduates who believe that the earth is 6000 years old and they defend with that same bible you carry.

Don't play ignorance to that

felixomor:
Another one.

Please which verse of the bible categorically says the earth is 6000 years old?

I wont argue that with you, I'll leave that for your fellow christians with a contrary belief to argue that with you. Although you all receive from the same holy spirit.


But answer this, if death came to the world through Adam and eve about 6000 years ago, how come we have plants and animals that have been dead several hundreds of millions of years ago.

I won't waste time with this topic. But for the Christians/Muslims who still believe that the earth is 6000 years old, here's a simple question;

How come you enjoy petroleum products/ fossil fuels which took about 500 million years to be formed?

Now Christians, you say death came to the world through the sin of Adam and Eve which is about 6000 years ago.

But do you know your petroleum products/ fossil fuels were formed by plants and animals that lived several hundred of millions of years ago....Now how did they die? Through sin?


It's time you religious folks begin to wake up that the bible/ Koran and it's tales are tools of control which has outlived its purpose

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sonmvayina:
my contribution: i am Ibo from delta state...i love my heritage and that is one of the reason i came back to Nigeria. i have a mixed race son back in the UK and would like to know about my heritage so i can pass it on to him...

i think we have not still gasp the whole message..Christians, Muslims and modern day traditionalists...we should not forget that the words of God always comes from the mouth of men. most times they pass this message using parables..for you to get the message of God or the spiritual messages in the parable you have to be thought by the diviner or spiritualist.

each culture has their way of telling their parables, i as an Ibo will find it hard to understand a Yoruba parable unless a Yoruba man/woman explains it to me..because to do so i will need to understand the Yoruba numerology, symbolism and iconography..it is even harder if it is a foreign one..take for example..the symbol for wisdom in my place is the tortoise...and we have our own numerology..the number 7 is regarded as a perfect number so is 4..so if i say ''Mr okafor has 7 tortoise'' you wont understand if you are not from my place..you will keep asking..what Mr okafor is doing with 7 tortoises...this kind of understanding gives rise to religion..
we have to see the scriptures with our spiritual eyes..not the physical one..so when the bible writers say Solomon had 700 wives, if you dont know the numerology and symbolism of the Jews, you wont understand the message in the story. to the Jews the symbol for wisdom is woman...wife simply mean a legal bed mate..so the 700 wives will mean something a good or perfect wisdom and the 300 concubines will be like imperfect wisdom.

that said...the Gods in the world are all the same but different nomenclature..that means Chukwu is Eledumare, is Osanobua is Osalobua is Ra is Marduk is Kronos is Odin....just the nomenclature.. and those cultures has built their own story using the elements of their culture..the stories are different, but the message is the same....The creator God is the same different name by different cultures..different stories or parables same message..

You got it rly wrong, Eledumare is not Osanobua nor Odin. It is a misnomer to make that claim.

All cultures have their gods and stories behind them, it would be lazy to make a conclusion that they are all same.

One thing that is evident is that the whites rebranded the jewish version and sold the Jewish myths to the rest of the world.

Noah's ark or Adams apple were never part of Africa, same as Eledumare and yemoja never part of jewish myths...so why should we conclude that Eledumare, Abassi and the rest suddenly were same as the Jewish version?

Or why not the other way round? Ifa should be sold to the whites as tbe universal god and they should come to Ife for Holy pilgrimage

venai:
My dear to be sincere you are more deluded and confused. Open your eyes and see the confusion in religion. It's my choice. So stop getting pained. It' my choice i repeat. To me Chukwu okike is God the creator. I love Jesus' teachings so i follow him. I reverence our omenala. But you see the water(mmiri), the land(ala/ani), the fire(oku), the smoke and other elementals are under my feet. Abeg no get pained.

what's my pain in your ignorance.

It's quite exciting to see people of lesser minds like you because it shows there are only a few with abilities to reason. It's a privilege seeing a multitude of your kind.

The world is a pyramid, a few who sit at the top and a majority of ignorant people below...Thats how the world roll. Majority are to be kept ignorant to keep the balance.

Ever wonder why majority follow one religion or the other dogmatically? It's because majority are meant to be fooled thinking their numbers make them right

But don't worry my friend, you and many others will never comprehend what I've written.....for ignorance is bliss...enjoy

venai:
I believe in God Chukwu okike; I believe Jesus christ, the only begotten son of God my saviour; I believe in The Holy Spirit, the omnipotent power of God; I respect and reverence The Omenala Igbo. But i refuse to worship a moulded mud, molten image, ife akpuru akpu of all kinds as God.

A confused black deluded person you are.

Chukwu was never yahweh, same as Abassi, Eledumare, Olorun etc.

Your people were enslaved and indoctrinated, the names of your local gods were reassigned to yahweh the jewish god.

Go find your heritage...i just love that heritage bank advert.

oh ye confused race.

Nice one op,
educate this confused race suffering of identity issues.
Let them know that chukwu and Yahweh were never same

walls01:
wow! you explain spiritual things in human logical way. do you know the purpose of the flood very well.

do you know how Jesus coming saved man kind? with all this your logical view, you did not tell me why your supposed God like figure created the universe and earth precisely

The only way out of mental slavery is reasoning.

Now that you have spiritual delusioned understanding, kindly explain....but don't bother explaining, it's the same old tales we have been hearing, nothing new for Yahweh works in mysterious ways, and you need the holy spirit to understand

walls01:
I did not say animals don't think they act on same instinct throughout each organism unlike man

no body brainwashed me, I was once an atheist. animals are not like humans they are designed differently. ever seen animals creating and modifying what they create with each passing day? what they do today is what they ever did.

You speak from the limit of your understanding.

pls u can watch a bit of animal documentary to upgrade your knowledge and stop this arrogance that earth was made for you alone.

Don't let people see this your comment, it's humiliating. You rly underestimated the animal world to a pathetic level which is unforgivable

walls01:
your version of your own God will have no purpose or direction with no rules and everyone doing what he likes.

but mine has a purpose direction and reason for creating man

Tell me how Yahweh has given us purpose?

according to religion, he created man with an intention for man to live naked forever, unfortunately, things did not go as planned....failed mission 1

Then later, he regretted he created man (although he is all perfect, does not make mistakes and all knowing)

He destroyed man with flood (in an attempt to make a correction even though he is all perfect), which eventually did not stop the evil on earth..( It got me thinking so hard, how the wisest of all could not come up with any better option than destruction)..... failed mission 2.

Then he sent his only son to come and die in order for him to forgive mankind. And did this solve the problem of the world? NO!...there are billions of people who dont believe this Jesus, so the wisest god of all did not see this coming....failed mission 3.

Yahweh is not only a serial killer but a serial failure.

The only solutions he knows are Die!, Destroy! Sacrifice! Blood! and yet he fails

walls01:
you are mixing logical thinking with the spiritual.
remember the free will part, sun, moon, stars etc are just dummies, animals don't think but men are different.
God has is own character, if I had not got contact with the holy spirit I too would remain an atheist.

free will with option, the bible says heaven is his throne the earth his foot stool, another portion says he do as he wills cause he created all things, another says will a clay say to a porter why did you form me like this or why did you destroy me and remoulding me, God through his spirit said we are like clay in his hands and ask every one to kneel with fear and kiss his feet cause he hate disobedience. you are definitely attaching human emotion in studying God.

I gave up when u said animals don't think...

smh @ the bolded, what a shame...

I attach simple reasoning and refused to be brainwashed and deluded.

You and many others are emotionally attached and that's what religion is all about. Defending what you have been told regardless of what is right

walls01:
the devil is a rebel, God is not contesting with him.
unfortunately God is a jealous God that no one can change. is actions cannot be contested cause he form all things.

if I may ask don't you have the right to do whatever you please with your stuff? if all your stuff where living thing don't you think the socks will be ungrateful, but only you know why you put it there

now tell me your own version of God or how the world was formed maybe it will make more sense than mine

I believe religion was all made up as a tool of control. It is evident in the uncountable contradictions as seen in the so called holy books which display an unrighteous evil god who bullies and demand worship from his creations.

The tales of the bible can be passed for moonlight tales....e.g. Noahs ark is completely nonsense and a complete Jewish myth.
People are only being attached emotionally to these books/ religion and have no facts to back them up, that's the power of indoctrination.
Religion is the biggest bullshit man has ever encountered.

However, the existence of an almighty god who created the universe may not have been defined by religion. All cultures have their different views of their gods. The whites rebranded and packaged the jewish version versus the Arabic versions. called their lands holy lands.

A true almighty god won't be bothered about being worshipped neither will he seek vengeance and death upon his enemies. ( neither will he have enemies in the first place) nor a people he call his people nor a tiny portion of land in one tiny planet in a solar system among several billions others in the galaxy among several billion galaxies in the universe he will decide to have his chosen land and chosen people.

Or why will the almighty god desire sacrifices of mere cattle he created to appease his anger. (creator of the universe)
Or destroy people he supposedly created in one tiny planet for not worshipping him.

I can go on and on but I will stop here saying for sure, if there's god, he does not have a religion.

walls01:
you still don't understand, God is a master creator, he has created so many things and thought best to create man that has total free will.

if God had intervene when Adam was about to eat the Apple will it still be free will? he gave a command and he expect him to follow. God created the tree that cannot think for themselves, the animals that follow a particular pattern and rules and created man with free will to choose his own path

the difficulty you are having understanding this is because you are putting human sentiment into it.

man do not listen to God and still doesn't, he sent prophets and men killed them, he gave them choice to choice instead they choice the wrong one. men even denied he existed even with the works of his hands clearly evident of his powers.

man was created to live forever, but died because of disobedience. one weak point of God his that he is very jealous and his jealousy moves him to anger, God was angry when Adam obeyed the devil that did not form them and he proclaimed a curse which must stand cause none of his words go back to him. out of love he gave man so many choices to change but men rebelled the more.

he is not threatening man, he gave man just two option to choose from, life and death and showed man the dangers of choosing death but man care less.

if you were God what would you have done different if you are to create a thing with free will?
you see

man itself is finding it hard to control what they created has you can see

So many openings in ur arguments I dont even know which to deal with first.

ok, lemme ask. So Adam eating an apple is the reason living things don't live forever

and this your god that is always getting provoked and jealous seems to be short slighted. Completey immature, going into contest with the devil he supposedly created..

behold, god the creator of the universe indeed.

walls01:
am not a descendant of Abraham, but none descendants have already be added through Christ coming.

God gave man total free will to act, take it like a test. God created so many things, as a master creator he deem it fit to create a being that has total free will to choose, that alone have attracted many other things, like not intervening when man is making a choice hence Adam was not prevented from eating the Apple even though God was seeing him trying to eat it, it is called total free will.

God is acting as he pleased him, he his the owner of this universe, more like a man behaves when he his at his own house, he moves the furniture around, remove some, and put anything at different places according to his wish


also God reserve the right to do as he please, God is like man, a man choose to wear different clothes at different times as his heart wish

God seeing him eating apple but left him to eat it so he can show up and punish him.
Your definition of God is contradicting as he seems childish, immature, a bully, boastful and proud of it.

If he's all knowing, then why does he need to hide and peep at Adam to see the choice he will make. That's contradicting.

well, I won't contend that god exists, but I can say surely that the description of god by religion, i.e bible and Koran can never be god.

Imagine a god who is ageless, created the whole universe going into contest with mere mortals who barely live up to 100 years, threatening them with fire and brimstone at the slightest provocation

walls01:
u cannot apply your logical thought to just everything. there are things you prefer than other things, but some things you like may be an abomination to others.

God choose the isrealites because of Abraham righteousness, in those days righteousness was a thing of luxury to man. God looked at the earth and said Abraham is a man of my heart, through him I will restore man to my self again.

he promised Abraham that he will bless his seeds forever, thus the term God of isreal.

but do you know that his just one of his names, God of Abraham, God of Moses, God of Elijah etc
you over simplify the meaning of the word God of Israel

perhaps Abraham was the only righteous man on earth?
are u a descendant of Abraham the Jew?

now can we say Yahweh through Abraham has successfully restored man to himself?
why must Yahweh attempt to even restore man if he was all perfect in all his works in the 1st place?

otemdomino:
Just within 30 minutes, these two funny stuffs happened right before my sight. Okay, I decided to do away with my car and go by commercial bus for my tours of Nigeria to make findings.


1. The first thing I saw while on the road was a man who has hunch chest carrying Bible and crossing the road. I laugh because the guy didn't seem to know what was the content of the book he carries for people like him.


2. The second thing happened when I entered the commercial bus and the driver drove rough just once. To our amazement, the only guy who carried a bible in his hands was the only person who was shouting on the top of his voice and abusing the driver. The guy came down the bus immediately after barking the bus to a halt. WHO CAN GUESS WHAT THAT DUDE IS AFRAID OF?



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ifex370:
At least Christian's are happier than depressed atheists

that's why atheist sleep peacefully while Christians run from one prayer house to another in fear of witches and demons.

lol so what was on his mind..
I just love this Yahweh...baddest guy

walls01:
God of isreal, from your description you certainly don't know him just ideas about him

If there is god, why sud he be an Israelite?? Don't u think u belittle that god.
Take a bigger picture of the universe, it's far too large for the supposed god of the universe to have a chosen tribe in one very insignificant portion of a planet which is also insignificant in the cosmos

Baba still thinks he is in the 60s.

The world has moved on Baba, Facebook is not a devil's invention as you may possibly be thinking, it's the work of innovation and modernity which has been connecting people. It has little to do with the quality of wife sir

walls01:
oh! I see the God you don't know

I know several gods, including Yahweh, Vishnu, Olodumare, Sango, Horus, Odin, Abassi etc. which do you know?

walls01:
are you talking about the God you know or the God you don't know?

The psychopathic god of Israel

otemdomino:
Repent of what?

repent for not believing...

Christians have serious issues up there... You tell me something and I dont believe then u tell me to repent
Then I'll be tortured for eternity for not believing

greatnaija01:
pls use several translations and study MALACHI CHAPTER 3.... so you understand... CHILDREN DO NOT REPRESENT GOD.... If God instructed tithe then Give it to God. You may be religious but it is clear you do not know your bible as you should o... bros don't give to man what you should give to God... God is jealous o. TITHE IS NOT A CHURCH DONATION o.

god is jealous, if you give his money to somebody else especially little children in need, he will be angry and send devourers to you..


Talk of a mentally ill god

Tbillz:
Bro tithe is a key to impossible doors, Do the needful and watch as wonder unfolds

Yeah, right? You need to subscribe to Yaweh's premium protection services

https://www.nairaland.com/3677647/what-god-does-living-yahwehs

iamadonis2:
Hello, Nairalanders,

I'm really confused on the issue of paying tithe. Its my first job at 22. I'm a very religious person and that's why I need to sample opinions if I only have to pay tithe in Church.

I know a particular guy who runs an NGO that pays the fees of school kids from poor homes. I offered to sponsor this humanitarian venture. The funds I plan to put into it will be my monthly tithe.

Simple meaning: I will not pay tithe in church. Rather I'll take the exact 10% and support this guy.

Is it proper? Should I only pay tithe in church? Please advise maturely.

Shalom!

Do something good with your money, help the humans in need not the gods

Noah's ark and tortoise stories are in the same category.
No sane or sensible person can believe such