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I’ll argue that it is not Shehu Sani’s place to speak on this. The Yoruba can speak for themselves.

43Ronin:
Peter obi should swallow his pride and rejoin atiku as his vice. That way they can push the druggy out of office and peter obi might stand a chance in 8 years time. Afterall obidients are not even enough and too cowardly to defend their votes

If Peter Obi agrees to be vice to Atiku, I will start campaigning for Tinubu's re-election.

Seun:
My Fellow Nairalanders,

We have implemented a minimum post size of 40 characters in order to improve our content quality. We want people to patiently compose substantial replies before hitting the submit button. Based on your feedback, we may increase or decrease the limit in the future.

We have also extended the blocking period between members to 3 weeks, because many Nairalanders felt that the previous duration was too short.

Our automated system for dealing with spam and toxicity is now much smarter than it was in the beginning. It's now much less likely to take action against innocent posts. Alas, it is still far from perfect, so please be patient with us as we strive to make it more perfect.

- Seun.

Sorry, but I don't understand why there should be a restriction on how long I can block a person. There are some really vile people and trolls here that I don't wish to read from ever again, for the sake of my mental health.

Not even gonna lie, Fenrir; it's kinda fun to watch anti-spam bot mess with you like this.

Fenrir:
I got banned again and this is just weak, weak, weak

1) i dont need to defend my race as the evidence shows you are wrong

Our countries are truly multi culture now
Yes the majority of the populations are white

But we have all nationalities, all races and all beliefs living in peace

Sikhs have integrated peacefully
Hindus
Jews
Other Christian
Etc

We have a problem with individuals that come from countries where the majority religion are 1 particular belief system a belief system that fibs and calls itself peaceful

2) what can I do i my country that you cannot do if you obey the laws? Whst opportunities do i have that you cannot have once you become a citizen?

3) can you walk down the street without being attacked? Without being abused?
How often is there anything on the news of a different race or nationality actually being attacked by anyone white? Now im not British i just lived there and left

But for example in the uk there are parts of London and Manchester and Birmingham that you simply cannot go if you have white skin now as would be attacked with a sword or knife

How many non nigerians travel Nigeria and are just attacked and killed for not being nigerian? The only reason I can is because im capable of defending myself and doing more damage

😅🤣😂 you can scream whites are racist all you want but the actual evidence proves the opposite And if we were infact racist

You wouldn't want to live in our countries and you wouldn't be allowed to at all

I don't think you are a very intelligent individual, because my point just went completely over your head. No, I don't think all white people are racist. I was only using YOUR OWN DOPEY LOGIC to point out the inherent stupidity in your Nazi-Nigerian men analogy.

The fact that your knee-jerk response was to go all-defensive (while at the same time holding the belief that if a Nigerian man defends his people against your mindless tirade against them then he himself must be a woman-abusing man) is just rich! Rich!

NB: I said you would scream blue murder and you DID! What a dope.

Fenrir:
How about you say that to my face

Mate, do you know how to find a Nigerian man that rapes and abuses women?

It's the same way you find a nazi

Step 1) post nazi are evil (Nigerian men are evil)

Step 2) and see the comments saying don't call everyone you don't agree with nazi (evil Nigerian men)

Step 3) you found the nazi (rapist Nigerian men)

Your Nazi analogy is stvpid and fails terribly.

Nazism by definition is evil. There is no such thing as a good Nazi. Nationality and gender (eg., Nigerian men, American woman, Norwegian men, etc) are NOT evil or bad by definition. If I do the same thing you've just done here, using "white men" you'll probably scream blue murder.

Step 1) Post "White people are racist"
Step 2) See comments saying "Don't call every white person you don't agree with racist."
Step 3) You have found the racist white person.

thesicilian:
Until they start claiming they founded and developed North Carolina.

Say something original.

NB: Seun, why are you trying to make us write essays as comments where just a few words would do?

Topman7:
Where does he look like he's from to you?

Germany?

So Nigerians are the only people with wide noses and other African features.

Got it. 👍🏾

Probz:
And I don’t enjoy the non-passive aggression from you.

Perhaps it would be best for us if we both avoid each other on this space, since neither of us enjoy our interactions?

Probz:
No need to capitalise in anger. Relax, for God’s sake. Why have you decided to be so hot today?

Capitalising is for emphasis. And don't tell me to "relax for God's sake." I don't enjoy the passive aggressiveness.

Probz:
Not Ghana and Abiriba. That’s not-quite true.

It is the SAME in Abiriba and Ghana. People don't understand what the matrilineal system is. The matrilineal system in the societies you mentioned is about INHERITANCE. Inheritance in a matrilineal system is from a man to his sisters' sons. It doesn't mean that a man's children come from his wife's village. An Abiriba man is still identified as coming from his father's community.

Abagworo:
That's how people misbehave as a result of Igbo benevolence. They migrated from Owo and were accomodated by Aniocha people with full citizenship rights and autonomy of existence. Hopefully they will not now claim the autochthonous Aniocha people are migrants.

That claim has already been made. There are Olukumi people who believe that they got there before the other Aniocha people came there to settle. That is why they also call themselves "Odiani" which means "people that have been on the ground" (before others), i.e., autochtones.

Christlike01:
Reno Omokri is Itsekiri, please!

His father is Urhobo. His mother is Itsekiri. In all extant African cultures, paternal descent is emphasised over maternal descent. Thus, rightly, Reno should be Urhobo. Omokri is an Urhobo name, not Itsekiri.

But for some reason, Reno is ashamed of his paternal heritage and clings exclusively to his maternal descent.

Ttipsy:
lol I don’t understand! The poster bears Igbo name “Uchenna and he’s saying our Oloza
lol 😂

Because Olukumi people also bear Ìgbò names. Can't you see that the Oloza's surname "Isinyemeze" is an Ìgbò name too?

Obior is the head.

Any other claimant is an impostor.

Spandau:
Yeah, whatever. I said what I said and it stands. Thank you.

Okay oh. Mouthpiece of the Yoruba Nation. Whatever you say stands. From henceforth no son of Yorubaland will take to wife a daughter of the Igbo nation. #Gbam!

I believe Reno's assertion was properly addressed when he first made it. Reno (as he almost always does) gets his history wrong. We should stop treating "social media 'celebrities" as if they are experts on anything.

We know a lot about the slave trade in Itsekiri kingdom and the ethnicities of the people who were sold. They were Urhobo (the largest group sold by the Itsekiri), and a smaller but significant number were Edo and Yoruba.

See the writings of historians like PC Lloyd and Bradbury, quoted in this post below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6665811/igbo-slaves-among-itsekiri#104024609

If there were any Igbo slaves sold through Itsekiri, the number was relatively small and not very significant. Igbo slaves were generally sold through Bonny and Calabar. The ports of the Itsekiri area handled mainly Urbobo and then Edo and Yoruba slaves, as is attested by the sources. Reno is a rabble rouser and not a historian.

Spandau:
It will be right in your face because people are taking actions as I comment. It's a new found determination. The aggressive way Ibos are attaching themselves to Yorubas are currently being stymied and its reaching a gradual halt. I say Ibos with a reason. Other ethnic groups are exonerated, except Fulanis. Na for your face e go be. It's not by force to marry Yoruba. We have rejected you!!

A new-found determination among impoverished Internet crusaders like yourself. 😂Bourgeois people are not doing this atavistic tribalism with you. The only tribe they see is class.

Spandau:
That is not going to happen. We Yorubas have woken up and we wouldn't allow unnecessary hybridization of our offsprings. We want full blooded Yorubas who would continue upholding our identity, culture, tradition, morals and values. We have enough Yoruba girls in all the ancestral spaces God has given us.

Be saying "We Yorubas" from now till you are 102, inter-ethnic marriages are not slowing down. Bayo and Nkechi are still getting married on Saturday. If you don't like it, dig a grave and check out.

In what sense are they Benin beads? Was Benin a centre of bead making at any point in history? We know Ife was.

This one you're asking random people on the internet, are you planning to write your dissertation without visiting Agbor? There's no getting around it: you have to formulate your research questions and arrange to go to Agbor and interview their elders and chiefs.

"Hand of the King"? Is Ogbunike the real-life Westeros?

Bring who to justice? Before the British came, didn’t we have empires here in Africa that were doing the same exact thing to their neighbours? When you talk in glorious terms of “African empires”, what exactly do you think they were doing? How do you think they acquired the title of “empire”? Was it not from fighting their neighbours, destroying their villages, taking captives and extorting resources from those they defeated in battle (a.k.a., tributes)? Should we now start talking about bringing Oyo, Benin, Sokoto, Borno, etc to justice?

It was the way of the world. Get over the past and work on your future.

Love800:
Nationality, the identification of a person is when someone has stayed in a place for a long-time after being given birth to, that is the person's country of being.
For instance, saka is a footballer who grew-up in England. Its funny many people refer to him as a Nigerian because his parents are from Africa. Saka is an English-man with Nigerian descent. So let's stop mixing him up with where his parents came from.

Jennifer Lopez was given birth to by Spanish parents but she grew-up in America. So Jennifer is an American with Spanish descent.

It all depends on where you grew up. Not just by birth, but your evolving stages, where you started developing!

When you've experienced bare-faced anti-immigration and racist sentiments, you will know that what you've typed here is naive. Saka will never be an Englishman in the eyes of many English people. If you like carry British passport and wrap yourself in the Union Jack, English people will still tell you that "a dog may be born in a stable, but it will never be a horse."

Christistruth02:
If the Igala of Kogi should start their own Now half of SE will disappear into Kogi State

Na Lord Lugard carry Igala Territories give you

You are kuku ungrateful to him for his efforts anyway

Y'all can talk a whole lot of kak. With the exception of a few border communities in Enugu and Anambra, where in the Southeast is Igala spoken the way Ika is spoken in Igbanke? When did a handful of communities in Anambra West and parts of Uzo-Uwani become half of SE?

And by the way, those border Igala-speaking communities have been saying that they are Igala for decades and nobody in Anambra and Enugu is disturbing them, nobody is suspending their traditional rulers.

You people get overly excited about nothing. That they have rejected Edo ethnic-hood does not necessarily mean that they have embraced the Igbo identity. If you go there and talk to them, many of them will simply tell you that their ethnicity is Igbanke - some of them don't even accept Ika identity, let alone Igbo. You will find some who self-identify as Igbo, especially around Ottah, but they are not the majority by any stretch.

Stop getting too excited.

Konquest:
@Redbonesmith


Are you trying to fanatically imply that Afigbo himself was above confirmation bias or mistakes that you have to place him on a pedestal? I even have a Guardian newspaper full-page article interview from the late 1990s where Afigbo himself CLEARLY stated what you are now trying to counter me for. That's NOT how to engage in intellectual conversations. I personally like to deal with evidence-based convos and expositions. If I hadn't had past convos with you before now and knowing full well that you're originally from Illah (which like Ebu, Asaba, and Okpanam, etc, is one of the Igala-associated communities in the Anioma area of Delta North) that I've had an interest in knowing more about since the early 1990s and you give some informed perspectives on this discussion forum, I wouldn't have bothered posting this reply.

Cheers.

Which one is fanatically in this matter? There is no need for superfulous and dramatic adverbs. I do not feel any particular attachment to Afigbo or any historian for that matter (Igbo or no-Igbo), and I certainly do not agree with all his ideas and theories - the same way I don't agree with all the theories and ideas of practically all historians that I have read their work.

I have however followed Afigbo's career closely and have read virtually everything he has published and even have transcriptions of most of his lectures, and what you just said doesn't sound like anything he has published, which is why my first inclination is to doubt you. If however you have a citation that could be checked out and can post it here, that would be nice.

And by the way, as a "history veteran" and someone with "vast knowledge of Nigerian history", I can see that the person you're responding to his comment made the ridiculous claim that it was Chinua Achebe who christened the Ìgbò people with the name "Ìgbò", changing the name from "Ibo". A completely false claim, but in all your "knowedge" you've made no attempt to correct him, but have actually piled on to continue labelling the Igbo people with the European corruption "Ibo". Interesting. Wonder why. 🤔

Konquest:
Succinctly stated.

Adiele Afigbo too is among the Ibo historians who peddled that same irresponsible disinformation you accused Achebe and Acholonu of doing. I have read Prof. Adiele Afigbo's works since the 1990s and he too sought to irresponsibly and dubiously claime that the places having "Igbo" as prefixes and suffixes in Yorubaland and his own part of South Eastern Nigeria have direct connections.

Some even FALSELY claim that Ibos gave birth to other nearby Nigerian ethnic groups such as the entire Igalas, the Idomas, right up to Benin, etc, which have been denied by these ethnic groups, and even one clown of Ibo origin that I saw on YouTube was trying to strongly convince a South African that the Zulus migrated from the Ibo area in Nigeria but the South African guy took him to the cleaners by poking holes in his baseless historical revisionism. Why these Ibo historians and writers developed a narcissistic penchant for stealing other ethnic groups' ancestral histories and claiming them as that of Ibos is a study in mental laziness, impulsiveness and other negative virtues exhibited by narcissists due to a lack of proper moral and cultural foundation.

Don't lie on the late Afigbo. Can you cite where he claimed that "Igbo" place-name outside the Southeast are connected to the Ìgbò ethnic group.

Kobojunkie:
LOL...You lot will believe anything to keep avoiding the issues raised on the thread by the OP, right? What will the ignorant not resort to all so he can get around broaching the issue at hand?

“Oh, look at me, Massa. I is not like them negroes. I agrees with you. Dem negroes is stupid.”

Kobojunkie:
Where is your picture of you, and the current Nairaland page as identification? Why do you require him to post his identification on a forum that allows individuals to chat without any such requirement? What in particular is the matter with you folks?

I can’t quite decide if you are an asslicker or his alternative account.

DomPerignon:
How can you brazenly lie that you are the oldest tribe in Nigeria going back 4000 years and still claim to be Jewish that only came into existence 2000y ago?

The Igbo who claim to be the oldest ethnic group in Nigeria, and the Igbo who claim to be of Hebrew descent are two opposing camps that do not see eye to eye.

Don't make it sound like it is the same people who hold the two opinions concurrently, because it is NOT!

Here we go again....