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Did you say all of this to the "uneducated idiot"'s face or did you run home to the safety of your keyboard like a little bitch?

TimeManager:
From Lord of Warri..

Anåmbra1stson dey collect.



-Kiss the truth!

Did the Anambra boy lie? Imo and Abia are oil-producing states and they are also in the Niger Delta; but If an Ìgbò man writes that they will use the oil of the Niger Delta to develop Igboland, will people not drag him on social media?

AlphaSoul:
Bump. PG 9
Interesting.

@bolded

How is it possible that you say NO one knows how old the object in the attached image is? With the advancements in the use of dating technogies, it should be easy to have a near-accurate age for when that object was made.

The primary method used by archaeologists to date items remains the radiocarbon dating method. And since this method relies on dating organic materials like wood or charcoal that are found in the same archaeological stratum as the item to be dated, when metal items are found in non-archaeological contexts (i.e., above the ground), dating can become very difficult or even impossible.

The other dating method available, thermoluminescence, is not suitable for directly dating bronze or brass objects, and are mostly used to date ceramic ware.

Birthplace of civilization? Lmao.

Africans and delusions of grandiosity. Smh.

ChinenyeN:
You are right. Abala worked with iron. I only brought them up as an example of a community that lacked an oral tradition for casting, but still developed the trade. I brought them up to also suggest that the casting styles showing notable diversity could be due to cases like Abala, except it happened during the Lower Niger Bronze Age.

In other words, I suspect, as PhysicsQED mentioned, that members of actual casting societies became well-traveled enough to reach various communities in the Lower Niger and teach them casting. These communities would then adapt a style for their local taste, but would quickly find themselves unable to pass on the casting practices/traditions for one reason or another (lack of raw materials maybe). And so the practice would abruptly fade away for that community. Likewise, the style they adapted would also fade to oblivion.

Oh I get it.

ChidiKalu:
The kingship stool of Aboh kingdom is even older than that of Warri kingdom

Nigerians are unduly obsessed with this idea of who is older than who. Even when there is no data on which to base their arguments.

How, for instance, do you know which kingdom is older between Aboh and Warri?

This would mean having to learn how each individual word is pronounced, which is a problem that a lot of people have with English. You’re merely trying to trade one problem for another.

ChinenyeN:
On the topic of the Lower Niger Bronze Industry...

This just crossed my mind. There is a community within the Ngwa-Asa-Ndoki axis that might present as an interesting case with regards to metalworking and bronzes in the Lower Niger area. This community is Abala, within Ibeme, in what is now Obingwa LGA. In past years, Abala developed some notoriety, because of its metalworking. In particular, its history as a local, indigenous gun factory.

Within all this, what is interesting is that Abala has no oral traditions that highlight or even mention metalworking in its early settlement history. Also, the community which they migrated from, now in Ukwa East LGA, also has no casting traditions of any kind. Yet, the Abala community actively engages in metalworking. I've asked around, but have yet to get a good response regarding how metalworking was introduced to Abala (though I could make some inferences). For all intents and purposes the metalworking tradition in Abala can be likened to a 'random manifestation'.

If one considers Abala as a case study of sorts, then a case might possibly be made for other such 'random manifestations' in the Lower Niger region; random manifestations which fizzled away almost quickly as they came to be established. This might explain the stylistic diversity found among Lower Niger brass/bronzes, and help provide a reason for why it has so far proven difficult for the academia to localize the works.

Was Abala known for making brass/bronze items? I thought they only worked with iron.

What does “ofi” mean in Ofi Okan Sanko and Ofi Okan Yena?

Also what does Ijofi and the title Lijofi or Lejofi mean? Any connection with Ogun?

Cc: macof TAO11

DuBLINGreenb:
I did this, I am from Rivers State I didn’t see any DNA match who is Igbo.



So igbo people, Rivers state is not Igbo. Thank you.

Regions: Delta, Edo, Lagos, Rivers, Bayelsa

I sometimes wonder if the problem Nigerians have is comprehension, or if they deliberately distort what is being said, so they can argue nonsense. No Igbo person I know has ever said that Rivers State as a whole is Igbo.

What you should have done is to tell us your specific ethnicity. Rivers is not an ethnicity. It would seem you are Ijaw. Ijaws are not Igbo, and no serious Igbo person has ever claimed they are. However, if it turns out you are Ibani-Ijaw, and your DNA shows no match from Igboland, that would be an interesting result - every student of history knows Bonny absorbed a large number of Igbo slaves at the height of the trans-Atlantic traffic and shortly after. This also happened on a smaller but still significant scale in Okrika and Kalabari.

You not being matched with anybody from the Southeastern states can as well be as a result of limitations in the database of the DNA-testing company you used, since they can only match you with what they have already got in their database.

The reason African history is still not a respected field of enquiry is that African history is the only branch of historical studies where we place higher value on the monarchs and chiefs and random old men, rather than on the words of archaeologists, ethnographers and ethnologists, historians and anthropologists, linguists and philologists.

Kreesxxx:
Ikwerres have a very rich culture and very welcoming and friendly. Most people including the Igbos who have lived among them would always want to identity with them. Have you seen the Ikwerre waist dance before? Most Igbos have learnt it. In years to come they will claim Ikwerre learnt from them.
Ikwerres are hospitable, lively and welcoming.
Igbos just want the identify with this rich culture.
Enjoy the dance steps and gyration as they call it.
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Steady coming up with nonsense. Do you know how many cultures in Africa that have vigorous waist dances?

The vast majority of Yorubas who were landed in the Americas between the 1600s and the 1800s were, in fact, slaves. Atakunmosa never lived in Brazil. There’s no shred of tradition that says he ever left the coast of Nigeria. His name suggests that he was familiar with the lagoon area (which is not strange, given that he was known to be a protege of the Benin State which in that time had some control and influence along the coast). But thats where it ends. He never got on a ship and sailed to Brazil. Calm down. Take it easy with the fabrications.

The survival of Yoruba culture in the Americas is easily explanable.

First, the Yoruba people were one of the few peoples in Tropical Africa to develop religious institutions that were “universalist” and non-parochial, and thus could be exported across cultural lines. In the multicultural atmosphere of the Afro-American world, these institutions could thus outcompete the institutions of groups like the Igbo, Akan, Mende, which were much more parochial.

There are other factors, such as the average age of Yoruba slaves. Many were adults, victims of the 19th century Yoruba wars. Adults are better able to carry and propagate their culture than children.

This analogy is stupid. Sorry.

Chinese and Japanese don’t even belong to the same language family, let alone being on the same linguistic continuum.

Chinese belongs to the Sino-Tibetan language family, and is not related to Japanese at all.

Japanese belongs to the Japonic or Japanese- Ryukyuan language family and is not remotely related to Chinese.

But Ikwere and what you call Igbo not only belong to the same language family (Niger-Congo language family) and sub-family (West Benue-Congo) and sub-sub-family (YEAI); they are actually on the same linguistic continuum (Igboid).

These are the facts.

yarimo:
And the pretending agulu fraudster is yet to visit or react to it, but quick at visiting in far away Niger state

How can this be your first reaction to 100 people losing their lives in the most gruesome manner? Why have you people allowed politics to turn you into soulless ani.ma.ls?


Tufia!

LOL. All these simplistic and one-angle narratives that "Greater Benin" propagandists love to throw around, while ignoring the bigger picture

For an actual account, and not a one-liner from a biography, go and get "The History of Okpanam people" by the late Dr Sylvan Ebigwei. Dr Sylvan Ebigwei was before his death the Iyase of Okpanam. I'd take the account of the Iyase of the town over the account of a Peter that no one really knows. (For anyone rushing to come and tell me that "Iyase" is a Benin title, we been know. Nobody was ever denying that all over Anioma and beyond titles of Benin origin were adopted and used.) Ebigwei was, by the way, a one-time president of Aka-Ikenga, an Igbo socio-cultural organization and a proud self-identifying Igbo man.

Okpanam traditions (according to Ebigwei and other sources) is that it was founded by Nri people from the East (led by one Olisa Olu) who had earlier settled in the town of Uchi in Ndokwa area. Uchi is even a dialectal variation of Nri. (Nri, Nshi, Nhi, Nchi, etc, all refer to Nri, depending on dialectal variation. ) This is why Okpanam is still called Okpanam-Uchi to this day, in allusion to its Nri/Uchi paternal descent. Olisa Olu married an Igala woman of royal descent called Ogbe; thus, Okpanam has maternal Igala roots. But since we follow patrilocal/patrilineal descent, the resulting community was from its beginning essentially Igbo. The traditions also acknowledge that some Benin elements came LATER and were absorbed by the already established and existing Okpanam community.

But apparently, the Benin narrative has a way of usurping the prime position and quieting other narratives. The same thing that has happened to Issele-Uku; but thankfully, the aboriginal Ogboli people of Issele-Uku have started speaking up.

I still don't know how people will read an account of a founder called "Okpala" who established a settlement called "Okpalani", and not see that this is not reconcilable with a non-Igbo origin.

Image: Chart from Ebigwei's book.

The pictures in the second row, how those two take resemble for your eye.

OfoIgbo:
Assume that there were one thousand Igbos a hundred thousand years ago, Igbos will be numbering in their billions today

That is NOT how it works. The Khoisan people of Southern Africa have been determined by genetic studies to be the oldest human group on the face of the earth. By your logic, they should be numbering in billions too.

But Khoisan people are only about 100,000 people today.

OfoIgbo:
Culturally Igbos are more related to Jews than to Yorubas and Edos. You can take this to the bank.

NOw to further ruin your New Year, please go through this ruling from a Jewish Rabbinical court on Igbos

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

Ifele unu na-eme m.

It’s the first day of a new year. Your life must be really sad if you can’t find anything to do today other than to post this.

tungamaje:
You wouldn't have said all these if the AI elevated the Yoruba intelligence over the Igbos. Because I still hear, the most sophisticated, richest and educated tribe is the...

Negro, you don't even know me. I am Ìgbò; I'm not Yoruba.

It's also a function of the breadth of your mental faculty that you would think that anyone who says what I said has to be Yoruba.

Highly intelligent people don't go around claiming to be highly intelligent.

If you had to do that, you're clearly not very intelligent.

lawani:
Therefore the claim by Afrocentrists and etc that the first human beings were dark skinned may not hold water. Dark skinned groups sometimes give birth to unpigmented or light skinned offsprings who are albinos while the reverse is not the case for light skinned groups and this is a strong case for the first human beings being light skinned.

Bros, did you think this your argument through at all? If dark-skinned people can produce unpigmented babies (ie., very light-skinned offspring), but unpigmented light-skinned groups cannot produce dark-skinned offspring, that would simply mean that if the first humans were light-skinned then all humans today will be light-skinned, since by your own argument light-skinned groups cannot produce dark-skinned offspring, but dark-skinned groups can produce light-skinned offspring.

Your argument defeats itself. Be taking time to examine your thoughts for loopholes. Don't be in a rush to post.

Dark-skinned, of course.

Even after moving out of Africa and settling in temperate regions, all humans everywhere remained dark-skinned until relatively recently. Light skin only evolved about 8,000 years. That's like "yesterday" in the grander chronological scheme of things.

oluseyiforjesus:
If we all came from monkey y are d present monkey yet to change to human?

Nobody ever said humans came from monkeys. It's crazy the number of people that don't even understand what the theory of evolution is saying.

DomPerignon:
Why deny your Ibo heritage ?

Ibo red cap is another appropriated fashion that stems from the head gear fez cap that was standard uniform for the British African Auxillary Force.

The Fez cap was never produced or part of Ibo fashion but came about after the vets from WW2 returned from the British campaigns in Burma.

The red fez cap is another borrowed fashion .

Random Nairalander: "Igbo red cap came from army vets returning from War II".

World War II was fought between 1939 and 1945. If Random Nairalander is correct, we should not find any records of Igbo people using the red cap before the 1940s.

Now the Truth....

1. Screenshot One: Taken from the book "The Gospel on the Banks of the Niger" by Rev. Samuel Crowther and Rev. John Christopher Taylor, published in 1859. The writers describe the Obi of Onitsha in the 1850s wearing "a red cap adorned with twelve feathers..."

2. Screenshot Two: Taken from the book "Up the Niger" by Captain A. F. Mockler-Ferryman, published in 1892. The writer describes the wearing of a red cap as the distinguishing mark of a chief in Asaba. [The sacrificing of humans as part of the process of obtaining titles in Asaba is regrettable, but it is what it is.]

3. Screenshot Three: An early picture of an Obi of Onitsha (1890), showing him wearing the red cap with feathers around it.

4. Screenshot Four: Obudugbo, Ezeana of Neni, a titled man from Neni in present-day Anambra State, photographed by the anthropologist Northcote Thomas in the 1910s, shown wearing the red cap with feathers.

Random Nairalanders should perhaps practise the art of shutting the hell up when they do not have enough information on a subject.

Nnamdipapa:
Who gives a Fvuck, I can use it for anything I want since I paid for it. End of story

Use this logic and wear camo and enter army barracks. 😂

PrinceOfLagos:
Hi guys, as you all know that I'm a regular visitor to South east because that's where my mom's from. This coming Christmas, I want to celebrate it in South east with my mom and family and I want to dress in all Igbo native dresses from the "isiagu to the red cap" but I want to know if anybody or everybody is allowed to wear the respected red cap in Igbo land or it's only for titled men.


See photos below


Nlfpmod

I don't know which community you come from, but in communities where title-taking and red-cap chieftaincy is a serious affair, you can be fined for wearing the red cap if you don't have a title.

If you know you come from such a community, kuku keep your red cap inside suitcase, when you return to Lagos you can be wearing it there.

Davoski001:
If they were truly Benin by blood, then at-least the first 5 Kings would have bore Benin names.

That is EXACTLY what the case would have been. If you look at Ukwunzu in Aniocha for instance. They are of Yoruba descent (and today they still speak a Yoruba dialect together with Aniocha dialect of Igbo). When you look at a list of their kings, you will see that the earliest kings had Yoruba names, then later you start seeing some Benin names, reflecting a time when Benin influence there was high; then later, from the 19th century or so, Igbo names began to appear in the kinglist.

It's the same thing in Russia. The earliest Russian state was said to have been founded by the Swedish, who speak a Germanic language. And this is reflected in their kinglist. The earliest kings had Germanic names, then as they became more and more "Slavicised", Slavic Russian names began to appear in the Kinglist.

But in the case of Onitsha, you have a kinglist that is Igbo top to bottom, except for one random Esan name in the middle of the list, and these people don't want to ask themselves how that could have been so.

And since you people like early European accounts so much, why don't you ever talk about what Northcote Thomas wrote in his anthropological account of the Asaba district?

Northcote wrote that the idea of Onitsha coming from Benin holds no water, but that from his observations, Onitsha and the Ezechime communities originated from a place a few miles west of Onicha-Ugbo, before the forces of Benin drove them out. This place "a few miles west of Onicha-Ugbo" actually corresponds to the area around Igbodo in the Ika area, where Azikiwe told us Ezechime (or Chima) and Benin forces met and fought.

Unless you are a dye-in-the-wool Benin expansionist, when all the evidence has been pooled and analysed objectively and critically, the most likely scenario is that Onitsha and their Umuezechime brethren originated within the present Anioma zone. Benin imperial expansion forced them to relocate from a place within the Ika area near Igbodo and re-establish themselves in the Umuezechime area in Aniocha North and in Onitsha across the Niger.

Of course, as I predicted, Azikiwe's autobiography from 1970 has been invoked. That is you people's sole crutch in this endless dragging of Onitsha. No one is willing to address the fact that the account Azikiwe presented in 1930 (40 years earlier) is significantly different from what he wrote later in 1970.

Points from Zik's 1930 account (when he still went by the name Ben N Azikiwe, before he dropped his 'English' name):

1. Onitsha came from a place called "Ado N'Idu", according to Zik in 1930.
2. This "Ado n'Idu" was not the same place as Benin, but was close to Benin, and was a sub-ordinate ally of Benin.
3. "Ado n' Idu" fell out with Benin when they assaulted the Queen Mother, and this led to a war between Benin and this "Ado n'Idu". The war was fought near Igbodo in Ikaland. (In fact, the location of this war indicates that this 'Ado n'Idu' was located in the Ika area).

This was the first account according to Zik, 1930. Why do you guys never talk about this account?

[NB: Idu was not only used to identify Benin, but was also used in a general sense to identify territories perceived to be under the aegis of Benin.Thus Ado n'Idu as used by Zik in 1930 meant "The settlement within the sway of Benin"]