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No, I didn't know. And no, he wasn't.

You hoteps need to pack it up.

NaWhoTalkAm:
Yes, a good point. The study was not really trying to compare the genetics of the Yoruba and Itsekiri per se but was just getting some record of various West African groups. However, even if the Ilajes and Ondo groups were tested and and scored near on paternal ancestry, it still shows that shared ancient paternal ancestry is not necessarily a good way to define a group as Yoruba since the Ibadan Yorubas and Lagos Yorubas scored a far off result from the Itsekiris regardless.

Yes. I made my comment without reading the paper. I read it later and I’ve got the full context now.

In your original post you were sort of trying to make the research answer a question it didn’t set out to answer. That could lead to incorrect conclusions. The experiment would have to be designed differently to answer the question of how related the Itsekiri are to the Yoruba as compared to the Edo.

NaWhoTalkAm:
This paper is not talking about full ancestry. It is only looking at one narrow father-to-son line on the Y chromosome.

When you see “haplotype,” think of it as a father-line genetic signature, not the total ancestry of a people. When you see “RST distance,” read it as a closeness score on the father-line test: the smaller the number, the closer the paternal lines of the group are related. The larger the number, the further away their paternal lines are related.

The paper included 21 Itsekiri men, 110 Yoruba men (split into two groups: 49 Yoruba-Ibadan, 61 Yoruba-Lagos), 28 Urhobo men, 48 Bini men, 47 Mende men, and 34 Temne men.

In Table 4, we see the Itsekiri sample is closer by RST distance to Bini (0.025) and Urhobo (0.025), and even closer to Temne (0.047) and Mende (0.059), than to either of the Yoruba sample. Yoruba-Ibadan (0.191), Yoruba-Lagos (0.154).

This is not enough to prove or disprove any claims of origin but it shows the common claim by some, that Itsekiris are Yoruba offshoots or migrants who paternally descend from Yoruba is not necessarily the case.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029687&type=printable

What informed the choice to sample Yoruba men from Ibadan and Lagos?

Given the fact that the Itsekiri are linguistically closer to Yorubas from Ondo State (the Ilaje, the Ikale and so on), a proper study should have sampled Yoruba men from there instead of distant Ibadan.

banku:
All these ethnic links to Yoruba always amuse me. I was surprised by former Gov. Attah story of Yoruba and Igala link.

Igbo link to Moremi in Ife but the link to Ijebu Igbo is also interesting.

Yoruba means OYO-RO-OBA ie. Y-O-O-BA

Igbo (i.e the modern ethnic group) have no link to Moremi in Ife or to Ijebu Igbo. Can we just let that baseless speculation die already?

Partly true.

It's true that prior to the 19th century, "Yoruba" was not a generic name for the people of SW Nigeria. It's also true that Ajayi Crowther was the first to use it as a generic name. In fact, at the time, linguists like the German Sigismund Koelle did not think that the name would be accepted by all the people of SW Nigeria, since it was a name for the Oyo sub-group specifically. Koelle wanted the generic name to be "Aku", which was a more neutral generic name. As it turned out, AJayi Crowther's designation carried the day. If not for Crowther, the Yorubas would probably be called Akus today. By the way, the term Aku or its variant Oku still survives in the Gambia and Sierra Leone, as the name for liberated African slaves (largely of Yoruba origin) settled in both countries.

It is NOT true that "Yoruba" derives from the "Hausa/Fulani" people. The earliest recorded reference to "Yoruba" does not come from Hausaland, but from a Berber scholar Ahmed Baba who lived in the Songhai Empire in the 16th/17th centuries. This doesn't mean that the Berber or the Songhai coined the word. Or that the word originated in the 16th/17th centuries. It only means that that was the earliest time and place that we have the word written down.

There are a number of theories about the origin of the word, but there are two that I think have some scholastic merit.

The first, postulated by Professor Akin Ogundiran, was that Yoruba is a corruption of Yagba, the name of a northeastern Yoruba sub-group in the Okun area. The second, which I personally subscribe to, is that it originated from a name given to the Oyo people by the Bariba , which is "Yoru" (singular), and "Yorubu" (plural). "Yo-ru"/"Yoru-bu" can reasonably be suspected to be a domestication of the term "Oyo", with the initial "o" deleted.

Needless to say, it is NOT true that the word has anything to do etymologically with "usurper,shady, treacherous", and all those other things that FFK listed.

Kdon2:
I m not surprise why the south east is always hyperventilating on Yoruba matters. 😂

Kdon2:
Is that why Ibos are the most hated tribe of all the tribes in Nigeria?

Are Igbo people holding your placenta? Even when a white man from Norway is the one making a post about y'all, you still leave white people to talk about Igbos. Are all of you in Nigeria collectively maaad?

matamaryam:
Do you think the English language can accurately represent the Nigerian identity?

The very notion of a Nigerian identity is British in origin. So yes. Let English continue to represent that identity while our indiviudal languages continue to represent our ethnic identities.

At the turn of the 20th century, Igboland was the most densely populated region of Africa outside of the Nile Valley. This was noted by colonial geographers. Even today, outside of Lagos, it remains the most densely populated region in West Africa. If you realise how relatively small the Igbo homeland is, you'd understand how emigration is an important outlet for the population pressure.

There are other factors, but the fundamental cause is: small land mass + dense population.

eDoctorr:
Honestly, I use to wonder why friends or relatives stop communicating immediately they travel abroad. And they have no reason to ghost because they believe you want to seek help from them.

There is this girl we use to work together at an organisation, I have always been sending greetings to her on WhatsApp and she would never reply.


Note; I have never begged from her o.

Until I send her this message. Then she replied.

She was able to reply that she was busy when I told her I wasn't chatting her to beg.

The answer is simple. A lot of times when they start chatting you up, it's to ask for money. So naturally, at some point you're going to start becoming wary of Nigerians at home chatting you - especially those who weren't texting you much when you were in Naija.

To wish person for Naija happy birthday sef has become a problem, 'cos next thing you'll hear is "Send small dollars na make I use celebrate am". You'd think it's a joke, but bros will quickly drop account details, and then start calling to know if you have dropped something.

We know it's not everybody that's texting you that wants to beg. But how do you know who is just genuinely checking up on you, and who is going to beg?

If you text person for abroad and he no reply, just understand and leave them alone.

Codepain:
Yes o unlke the Igbos of spotless history

A Yoruba talks about his Yoruba people. A fellow Yoruba turns up and thinks the best way to disagree with his brother is to make it an Igbo issue, in a country of over 300 other ethnic nationalities. Obsessed nitwits.

This is some retarded-level sheeit.

yom2:
keep mute. They are not the same and don't have the same meaning.

How do you people find dead posts from 7 - 10 years ago, when even the person wey make the post don deactivate e account since?

obama30:
She may be Igbo lady Mary by northerner, Duaka as surname is not an Igbo name. The governor can deceived non igbo's.

If you don't have Duaka in your state, others do. Do you know the Igbo novelist Cyprian Ekwensi? Are you aware that his native (Igbo) name was Duaka? Are you also aware that Anaduaka (which contains the "duaka" element) is a common surname in parts of Anambra?

I now understand why in ancient times, kings lived in seclusion and even when they appeared in public, they were prevented by the sacred etiquette of kingship from talking to anyone.

Because what kind of royal embarrassment is this?

KennethOkonkwo:
This guy is soo petty

Who doesn't know that its fake.

When you don't like a person, even his "good morning" go dey vex you. People are widely circulating fake pictures of you and spinning a narrative around it. How exactly is it petty to issue a disclaimer??

And FYI, many Nigerians are not intelligent. There are people who cannot spot even the most obvious photoshop.

It's like the person that did the photoshop with Mc Oluomo just started learning photoshop.

thatigboman:
phyna is igbo from igbanke, not esan pls

Not about to drag this with you. She is from Ekpon. That's an easily verifiable fact. You can start with this Guardian news article from 2022 when she won BBNaija when her community felicitated with her.
https://guardian.ng/news/ekpon-community-hails-phyna-for-emerging-bbnaija-winner/

meobizy:
Where is Phyna actually from? She claimed she was Igbo who grew up in Edo State and now her sister is buried in Ogun State. Na money no dey to transport the body or nobody wants to claim a corpse? Good to see her and Groovy are still in good terms.

She is Esan from Ekpon in Edo State. Ekpon is an interesting town, because even though they are culturally Esan, their language is like the Ika language of Delta State (which is an Igboid language.) Hence why her name is also Ijeoma. That is what she meant when she said she was Igbo - but I don't think she seriously identifies as Igbo.

But yea, it is strange that they're burying her in Ogun, rather than in their hometown of Ekpon.

Were you on this platform some years ago under a different name? I remember going head to head with a Bantu supremacist who sounded like you and also had a similar-sounding moniker to yours.

Is there any connection between Dawoodu (David) and the Nupe title Dawodu for an heir? Or is it a coincidence of two distinct words sounding alike.

You said something here which I find very funny. You said: "It has become not only a habit but culture, for people burying the dead in their households."

You made it sound like cemetery burials are the regular norm, while household burials are the new trend. It is actually the other way around. Household burials has not become any habit or culture. It WAS always the way we did it. It is cemetery burials that are becoming a habit among some urbanized people.

A Nigerian senator takes home a basic salary of N1.06 million naira monthly. When you add running costs, these guys take home roughly N20 million each every month. This is in a country where 98% of the population don't make up to two hundred thousand naira (N200, 000) every month. And we are supposed to pity you? God will p/un/ish you for 600 years.

Watianoengineer:
Peter Obi took side with this unruly girl because she is Igbo. How can a girl be fighting in an aircraft and people are comparing her offense to KWAM1 that was almost murdered by a reckless pilot?

I hope sane Nigerians now see the reason why characters like Peter Obi can never be president.

Her name is Comfort Ofonime Emmanson. Ofonime is not an Igbo name. She is from Akwa Ibom. But I'm sure you still don't care, because you (like half of the people in that godforsaken country) have lost your flipping mind and all of your brain matter to this insane bigotry that came in the wake of the last election. Continue. Na una head una go use carry this toxicity wey una dey breed.

How did you arrive at 1460? Oba Esigie who was the king in Benin at the time of the war reigned in the 1500s.

Be like una no sabi this guy. Why una dey engage am?

Obi is letting his base down. He shouldn't be surprised when his base lets him down too. If he isn't in this for the long haul, he should just enter his house.

So in essence, you believe what you are paying for a woman's hymen? I can't tell you how creepy that is.

Of all the things that never happened, this one never happened the most.

madridguy:
They are exercising their right as a bonafide citizens of the Great Nigeria.

They are not asking Imo state government to stop teaching Ibo in their schools.

They are not calling Imo state no mans land.

They are not installing Oni-Imo of Imo kingdom.

Now they are exercising their rights, huh? The same rights that people were beaten and maimed for trying to exercise in Lagos. There are Oba Yoruba in many places across the SE, by the way.