Lol. Anybody asking this question in 2024 is just an ethnic-baiter.

Tellmeastory:


Stop being stupid. Watch the video posted. The words listed mean the SAME THING in both languages.

Stupid people are always quick to call other people stupid 😂😂😂

Many of the words in Shanga that he mentioned there are cognate with words in East Benue Congo which is the language group Shanga belongs to. And he took significant liberty with a good number of the Chinese "equivalents". I can do what he did with any two language around the world.

Ìgbò - English
Anụmanụ - Animal
Mmiri (water) - Marine
Si - Say
Mụ - Me
Yi (in some dialects) - You
Enya (in some dialects) - Eye

This is word play, not linguistics. He has not established any consistent rule of sound changes or sound correspondence for both languages.

It's funny how people see -ang/-ong in two languages and immediately assume there is a linguistic connection. No considerations at all for meanings in both languages or sound rules or anything else.

That's NOT how to do linguistics!

cupcup:
i went to ladipo market to buy a part for my car, nd guess what.. it was sold to me for 35k all in the name of dollar don rise, import duties etc.. fellow igbo man came to buy it for 7k meaning.. they are getting back at yorubas because of tinubu..

What do you people gain from these lies??

This is the Age of Social Media. With social media, there are literally thousands of girls that are just one DM away. Men from the 1990s were chasing one woman for three years because choices were limited.

Personally, I don't even try a second time, if the answer from the first time was a clear no. Nobody has time for someone who likes you, but wants to stress you because of this foolish notion that a girl has to play hard to get.

ruggedtimi:
Before the letter go reach london and before london go send steam ship back to west africa

Except that the letter was not going to London, but to the Lieutenant-Governor in Lagos.

Lifestone:
We need the source for this letter.
Secondly the letter is unsigned
Thirdly, there is nothing like King of Yoruba especially as an Alafin.
Fourthly, the English is too modern for 1881.

I suspect that this letter is fake

Agreed without conceding that the letter is genuine, I respect Alafin to know his limitations at war and sought for help rather than allowing over 3million of his people to perish. Sense prevailed over arrogance.

No the letter is not fake. It is included in the "History of the Yorubas" which was completed by Samuel Johnson in 1897 although it was not published until 1921. Samuel Johnson, by the way, witnessed the unrest in Yorubaland in the latter part of the 19th century and was a key person in negotiating peace at the end of the Kiriji Wars. So he was a witness to all these events.

"King of Yoruba" at the time simply means "King of Oyo". Don't read too much into it. "Yoruba" was more or less synonymous with "Oyo" until Bishop Ajayi Crowther began to promote the use of the term to include all Yoruba-speaking groups. That was why a nineteenth-century newspaper was called "iwe iro in fun awon ara Egba ati Yoruba" - newspaper for the Egba and the Yoruba. A name that suggests that Egba were at the time non-Yoruba in the way they identify.

About signatures, Alaafin Adeyemi was illiterate. His letters were written for him by a secretary who at the time was usually a Sierra Leonean returnee. As a result his early letters were usually unsigned. But some of the latter letters he wrote, from the 1890s were marked with an "X" to stand in place of a signature.

The English is too modern for 1881? How do you think people were speaking and writing in 1881? Were you expecting to see "thou" and "comest" and "thee"? Read books that were writren about that same period by people like Ajayi Crowther and explorers like Mockler-Ferryman and Harry Johnston, and then come back and talk about the English sounding too modern.

Afam4eva:

it will be a hard sell because how ethnic groups are defined in Today's Nigeria is straight forward and it's consistent in a lot of groups. The only group that doesn't seem to necessary follow this template are the Igboid/Igboid tribes.

If you consider that Efik, Ibibio and Annang are close enough that many will consider them to be a dialect continuum, or that Urhobo and Isoko of the Southern Edoid branch also share similar closeness and are also on a continuum, or that the Itsekiri is quite simply the Southeastern extention of Yoruba, and is still mutually intelligible with many Yoruba dialects of Ondo State.... If you consider all these, then you'll appreciate that the Igbo/Igboid tribes are not the only ones who don't necessarily follow that template.

MightySparrow:


In this age and civilization?
Igbos want to rule in Kano, Lagos, and London.

They are still segregating among themselves

Is it only Kano, Lagos and London? Are you sure they don’t want to take over the galaxy and dethrone God?

donnie:


C’mon run away

😂😂😂😂

Read an African history book today, and stop squeezing yourself into Hebrew and Phoenician and Greek histories. You don’t belong there.

donnie:


Name one OUTSIDE black people i mentioned in my OP. All of those great black civilizations were made great by people who left our land taking knowledge with them. Even Egypt was colonized and civilized by people from our land. That you have been served white people’s witchraft shouldn’t make you think you can project same here.

With all the jargon’s you claim to have learned, all you have left is self hatred, jealousy and contempt for your fellow black man (that’s if you even are one). When you are ready, you will come down from that stupid high horse, humble yourself and learn.

Yea, you stu.pid. Stu.pid and deluded.

donnie:


When it comes to black people’s glorious history, it becomes “pseudo” right? From what I see from your comment, there isn’t any more dumbness to add.

For most of you black people, “glorious history” depends on looking for African people’s history OUTSIDE of Africa and attaching yourselves and your history to non-Africans.

You and people like you do not think Africa can have a history unless we can connect it to history outside Africa. That is pathetic and smacks of debilitating inferiority complex.

What do you know of the urban civilisation of Tichitt-Walata in West Africa that dates back to centuries BC?

Can you name one - just one - emperor from the ancient Ghana Empire?

Do you know about the ancient Bantus of the Great Lakes area that were working iron even before the Hittites?

Do you know the African cradles of agricultural innovation on the Niger Bend and the Eastern Sahel that revolutionised societies and kickstarted civilisation within Africa?

Do you know the names of the kings of Nubia that fought the advance of Islam to a standstill for hundreds of years?

Have you finished studying the achievements in arts, architecture, commerce and politics of the Mande and Songhai, the Ashanti, the Baganda, the Ankole, the Kongo, the Lunda, the Maravi, the builders of Zimbabwe, and thousands of other remarkable societies that black people developed INSIDE Africa?

No, you’re busy making up ridiculous stories about alpha and omega that belongs to non-African societies because in your inferiority-racked brain, the only way to be great is if you can conjure connections with other non-African cultures and achievements.

Pathetic.

Pseudohistory makes us all dvmber.

essentialone:
Can there ever be a Peaceful Protest in Nigeria?

As far as Nigeria is concerned, protests are by and large peaceful, until the government sends in paid thugs.

larride:


Apart from Alaafin Majeogbe, he forced the first 3 to commit suicide. He directly killed Alaafin Majeogbe but unlike the movie, it was one of Majeogbe soldiers that hit him with a charm belt that paralyzed him (some other account says it was princess Agbonyi lover that hit him with the charm)

Ga'a did beg for his life in Alaafin Abiodun palace because before killing the Alaafin daughter for that ritual, he actually didnt really interfere in Alaafin Abiodun government.

The film isn't fiction, just that there was some misinterpretation here and there. Ga'a was skinned alive by the people in the real life story but the producer changed it to burnt alive.

Johnson (1920) recorded that he was burnt alive. Akintoye (2010) said he was either burnt alive or cut into pieces. Others are saying he was skinned alive. I believe of all the accounts, Johnson is probably more likely to be true since he wrote his account closer to the time the event happened.

Anyway, no one can know for sure. The producers chose to go with the earliest recorded account.

NLCreator:


https://x.com/egi_nupe___/status/1817068482950832290?s=19

That the Nupe conquered Oyo at a point doesn't mean they couldn't have lost a war to Oyo at another point. The mighty Romans lost a battle disgracefully to Germanic tribesmen in Teutoburg forest. The British were humiliated by the Zulus at Isandlwana. Anyone can lose a war/battle. So this particular criticism doesn't quite stick - it seems like your ethnic pride was (understandably?) hurt. Unfortunately, your emotions don't qualify as valid criticism.

I think I agree that the Nupe girl could have been given an ethnic Nupe name, rather than an Arabic one. The same way I felt the Igala prince in the movie 'Amina' could have been given an ethnic Igala name, rather than Danjuma, an Hausa name. But I'm sure Arabic names were not very out of place in mid-18th-century Nupeland. So a Nupe girl called Zeinab isn't as far-fetched in the 18th century as an Igala man called called Danjuma in the 16th century!

But I wish the scriptwriters had made the Oyo people to call her Seenabu in agreement with Oyo-Yoruba phonology. That would have been more authentic than making 18th century Oyo people articulate 'z' when we know they couldn't.

If you haven't seen this film on Netflix, you should. And when you do, watch it in Yoruba (even if you don't understand the language) and turn on the English subtitles. The English voice-over takes away from the quality.

It tells the story of Bashorun Ga'a, an ambitious Prime Minister of Oyo in the 18th century who wielded power over and above the Alaafins themselves until he went too far and was liquidated along with his family. There were however some historical inconsistencies and anachronisms in the movie that were hard for a history nerd to ignore.

1. A number of times, the ruler of Nupe was called 'emir' in the film. Note that this film is set the 18th century, many many decades before the jihad. So where did the emir title come from? Even after the jihad, the Nupe continued to use the title Etsu for their rulers. To the Yoruba, the ruler of Nupe was known as Elempe. I would have expected them to use this title (Elempe), and not the modern term emir, which was introduced to our politics in the 20th century by the colonialists.

2. When Ga'a was making his relatives ilaris [should have been ajeles, but what do I know?], he named one the Ilari of Egbaland and named another one the Ilari of Ibadan. But in the 18th century, Ibadan was a small Egba village. Why would you have an Ilari for the Egbas and have another one for a small Egba village? It's like having a governor for Lagos State and having another governor for Okota. Apparently, whoever wrote the script mixed up 19th-century Ibadan (which was a large non-Egba city-state with a sprawling territory) with 18th-century Ibadan (which was an insignificant Egba village).

3. I don't understand why they changed Ojo Agunbambaru's storyline. The historical Ojo Agunbambaru was one of the few sons of Ga'a to escape the massacre, and he fled to Borgu. In the film however, Ojo Agunbambaru (played by Teddy A) was among those massacred. If this was artistic license, I don't see the purpose it served.

Instead of Ojo being the one who escaped, the film showed another son (Oyemekun) as being the one who escaped. But he didn't flee to Borgu. He fled to Ilorin. Why would someone wanted at Oyo flee to Ilorin in the 18th century, when Ilorin at that time was firmly under Oyo control? Not only was Ilorin firmly under Oyo at the time, but the Baale of Ilorin, Pasin, had taken part in the massacre of Ga'a's family. Why would a son of Ga'a now be running for safety to an Ilorin that had taken part in destroying his family?

And why was 18th-century Ilorin depicted as already being (in appearance, at least) Muslim, with all the men wearing turbans and the ruler of Ilorin himself (played by Ali Nuhu) decked in full Muslim garb? Pasin was not a Muslim, and neither were his descendants Alagbin and Afonja. While there were already Muslims at this time in Oyo towns and in Ilorin, they were definitely a minority, consisting largely of foreign elements and some Oyo traders. The Muslim element in Ilorin only became significant at the turn of the 19th century when Afonja broke away from the empire, and invited all Muslims in the provinces to come under his banner. So again here, it is clear that the script writers were using material more relevant to Ilorin in the post-Afonja period (from the 1820s) than to 18th-century ilorin.

NB: There are a few other things that could have been done differently. For one, I wish the depiction of Oyo-Ile had reflected the city's size at its height in the 18th century, with its high solid city walls, the Akesan market, and the large tall gables of the Alaafin's court. But understandably, there were probably budget restrictions.

All in all, the movie gets a solid 7 from me, and Bolanle Austen-Peters deserves accolades, for this and for the Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti film . The spate of historical movies from Nollywood of late is a very welcome development. Hopefully more will be made, and their quality will increase with each one.

Which one is Obi Engr? Royal fathers should stop this ridiculous practice of using the royal designation side by side with professional titles. A king is on a whole other level. Which one is "Igwe Professor", "Obi Pharm" "Oba Dr". How e dey sound for una ear?

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This is not true. Morocco and the rest of North Africa have been occupied by brown to olive-complexioned people for a very long time. The old kingdom of Mauretania (not to be confused with the modern country of Mauritania) existed in what is now Morocco, centuries before the Arabs and the Turks came to North Africa.

In the picture below, you'll see the head of King Bogud, a king of Mauretania. Does he look like a 'black man' to you?

clefstone:
Do we speak Igbo language? Yes our language is undoubtedly a dialect of Igbo. Do we bear Igbo names? Yes, since our language is Igboid, we surely bear names that are Igbo. Are we Igbos? An emphatic NO!

Interesting take. So you would have no problem with Ukwuani-Aboh being described as "Igbo-speaking people". What you reject is being called "Igbo people".

MightySparrow:
They are playmates.
I have never read anywhere where igbos and Yorubas fight physically like what we have in Ibadan and Kétu markets between Hausa and Yorubas

Y'all think it's all fun and games, but we are actually going in the direction where Ìgbò and Yoruba will soon be shedding each other's blood on the streets.

I don't know how you people don't see that the Yoruba-Igbo fight has gone beyond banter, especially in the aftermath of the last election. Violence will follow sooner or later, if Y'all don't snap out of it.

Because most Nigerians, without realising it, are pawns of political opportunists who stand to gain by pitting people against one another.

The hate doesn't have much substance to it. In many places across the south today, Igbos are marrying Yorubas.

But there are unscrupulous people behind the scenes and even in plain view churning out narratives and fomenting hate, and pinheads who can't think for themselves are buying into it.

herich:

Africans were colonized by Europeans, so bearing and speaking European languages is understandable.
Did Igbos also colonize ikwerre people?

They never have an answer for this question.

The days are gone when kings in Africa locked themselves up in their palaces and forfeited all social life. If you yearn for those days, build a time machine and go back to 1770. But allow this modern vibrant man (who is still young) to live a normal life!

So when they get to the passage in the Quran that says "there is no compulsion in religion", they close their eyes and skip it.

Religious fundamentalism is worse than cancer.

Seun:
I will make my decision on who will assist justwise from the people who have applied so far. Thanks so much.

Look into the culture section as well. There is no active moderator there. The last time any moderator was sighted there was nearly a year ago.

9JAMac10:
Your man Mansa Musa was given to you by the whites to boost your esteem. An adult still belonging in fairytales. You are ignorant

You stupeed. No others words, just that: you're stupeed.

9JAMac10:
I think Mansa Musa was a creation by white people to make blacks and Africans have some sort of self esteem even the stories of the Alleged Mansa Musa seem fabricated. Why is Africa the only continent with a great past and not so great present and future . Mansa Musa story is an absolute joke

Some of you are as stvpeed and ignorant as fvck. The history of Mansa Musa that has come down to us don't come from white people. They come from history documented both orally by Mande griots and in writing by West African scholars in pre-colonial times. They also come from Arab travelers and Middle Eastern intellectuals who actually met Mansa Musa during his hajj. Go and look for the books "Tarikh al-Sudan" and "Tarikh al-fattash", both of which were written in the pre-colonial era by intellectuals based in Timbuktu.

Take your ignorant butt off the net and get some education.

Sladem05:


Yeah, The Moors weren’t Black. Afrocentrism is desperation.

Moors were not racially homogenous. They were a mixed horde of Berbers, Arabs and some black Africans. The black Africans were largely from Mauritania and the parts of Senegal bordering Mauritania. Some were also from the black minority group called Gnawa in Morocco.

Hausa Empire? When did the Hausa have an empire - or are you referring to the Sokoto Caliphate, which was/is a Fulani Empire?

The Hausa lived in city-states, never coalescing into a single kingdom, let alone creating an empire.