y3mi:

Phools like you still exist propagating this dumb talks, yes juju actually existed and worked, but not every africans had access to it, in the same way not everyone today can have access to bank vaults, explosives, anthrax and weaponized bio-agents.

Imagine aliens from Mars invades Earth tomorrow and successfully turn it to their colony after enslaving all of earthlings using a mind-altering weapon to brainwash humans to become their zombies, and 300yrs after into the future… claims of an old earth were humans manufactured all kinds of ammunitions are been rumored, from firearms to nuclear weapons. They would still be dumbos like you spewing nonsense such as “if we had guns and nukes, why did the Martians colonized earth” as if everyone in the world today owns one firearms or the other while others have bombs and keep nukes in their house as anyone would an animal pet.

Una no fit get sense aaaje!

This is incoherent. And the analogy you used no make sense.

If Martians ever succeed in colonising all of earth with the easy with which Europe overran Africa in the 19th century, it will mean that our technology and weaponry is massively inferior and useless in the face of Martian technology and weaponry.

The same way African juju was demonstrably useless in the face of the colonisers' technology and weaponry.

Also using an event that has not happened and that no one knows how it will play out if it did (i.e., a Martian invasion) to draw points from an event that HAS taken place and that we know EXACTLY how it played out (i.e., the European colonisation of the African continent) is fundamentally flawed.

OasisX:


Ajuri dey cook sha.... 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2YAp6bgk9M

Amazing how all respondents to this video are ignoring the barefaced lies this man sat there and told the international community. The lady with the bandaged eye was in Surulere, Lagos. But here this smooth-talking chap sits and tells the world it was in the southeast, without stuttering, without batting an eye. God oh!

Spiff20:
This is senseless. Peter Obi didn't win any core northern state. He only won Lagos and Abuja because of the massive population of Igbos there. Nobody stopped the hausas or yorubas from voting Tinubu and Atiku in the east.

I tire. Igbos have voted non-Igbos massively at the presidential level for 20 years. The one time they voted for someone who happens to come from their ethnic group, they start shouting about bridges. Na only Igbos get hand to build bridge? Them kwanu should build bridge. Vote an Igbo man for once, too.

Goodconcept78:

Why do non-Igbo people keep saying this about the Igbo? Since 1999 that Nigeria returned to democratic rule, last Saturday was the FIRST time Igbo people voted overwhelmingly for an Igbo man at the presidential elections. Even when prominent Igbo men had been on the ballot, Igbos chose a Yoruba (Obasanjo) or a Fulani (Yar'Adua) or an Ogbia-ijaw (Jonathan).

Ojukwu, who almost had a god-like stature among the Igbo, ran for president TWICE. Igbos NO vote am on both occasions! They voted Obasanjo and Yar'Adua. Jim Nwobodo, who was a big politician in the East, and a former governor of Old Anambra also ran for president and lost abysmally in the East.

If it was Rochas Okorocha, or Orji Uzor Kalu who had run in place of Peter Obi, Igbos would not have voted for them. They would have given their votes to Atiku, just like they voted for Atiku in 2019. Voting for Obi had little to do with tribal sentiments; it was more about the conviction that this was who Nigeria needed at this point in time. You people that are bent on making it about tribalism and clannishness, despite what history shows about Igbo voting patterns, tire me. Do better!

The same Peter Obi he accused on social media of plotting to kill/harm him. The kind of dirty politics and smear campaign this man ran this campaign season is scary, for someone who projects a born-again Christian image.

Elections are now over and he is using style to do "No hard feelings, ei?" Thoroughly disgusting fellow.

jafol:

Nna nzuzu

Kpanakwukwu. Ezi oshia.

jafol:

Since you fools said I developed it lmao awon werey

Nna gị fool. Nne gị akwuna.

jafol:

Cos you all said you developed Lagos, pls how come Lagos does not have any villages with Igbo names

Your take away from your history is "Igbo people come and show us Igbo names"?

Efewestern:


Do you know any research you can recommend to me as regards the Edo North origin of the Edoid people? I would love to look more into it and maybe update my historical knowledge.

It's mostly a linguistic issue. Elugbe's book on Edoid linguistics called "Comparative Edoid: Phonology and Lexcion" is the one reference that historians generally point to.

UGBE634:
The E is not usually dotted in Esan, it is Esan, the E is not pronounced the way the E in edo is pronounced

My phone autocorrect did that. Since I set it to recognise Nigerian languages, it has been putting dots randomly on vowels. No time to be going back to edit. Lol.

Efewestern:



I don't really subscribe to the Edo North migration history mostly because some of the groups in the zone are too recent to birth our ancestors. I believe that the ancestors of Urhobo/Isoko, Esan and Bini lived together as one in a republican society before the great migration.

Origins in Edo North does not mean that the current occupants of Edo North birthed the Urhobo. In the same way, the origins of Indo-Europeans from the Ukraine area doesn't mean Ukrainians birthed the Indo-Europeans.

In the deep time when these events and first migrations were happening, none of the modern ethnic identities Ẹsan, Afenmai, Benin, Urhobo, etc, would have made any real sense to the peoples of the era.

From a linguistic POV, an Edo North origin for all Edoid speakers remains by far the best theory in scholarly circles till date.

The Benin migrations which are very alive in oral traditions belong to the era of Benin imperial expansion, and those Benin migrants already found Edoid-speaking people on ground in Urhobo/Isoko and Ẹsan areas.

duro4chang:
Kindly bring out the wrong/misleading aspects of the post and correct. To say something is wrong without bringing out solution is worse.

Kinyarwanda was never the name of the country called Rwanda. Kinyarwanda was and remains the name of the language that Rwandans speak.

Nawodo and Onawero have nothing at all to do with Namibia. Nawodo and Onawero were the old names of the island of Nauru, which is in the Pacific Ocean, nowhere near Namibia.

Because Yoruba men are human beings, and Igbo girls are human beings; and in most cases human beings tend to marry other human beings.

Maazieze:
Isnt morroco still called Al-maghrib, morroco just being an exonym

All of North Africa west of Egypt is Al-Maghrib, which simply means "west" in Arabic. It was never Morocco's exclusive name.

Some of what is in the OP is wrong/misleading.

Probz:


Is that what the essentials of your moniker (redbone) is about?

No. The moniker has a different back-story of its own. Can't really get into it.

noobaland30:


ok so my name is

cenkhan

im from netherlands

male

make money from home

Cenkhan is an interesting name for a Dutch. Are you of Turkish descent?

I was hoping there'll be a couple of AKA songs, just to pay respects. Or is it too soon?

Bahamas95:
Sorry about that, I forgot that all Nigerians are dark in colour.

I appreciate the sarcasm. 🙄

Many Coloured people have a distinctive look that comes with being mixed-race. It's not just about having a light shade of skin. I'm lightskinned, and I still don't look like a typical Cape Coloured.

The killers knew who they were going for. Mistaking him for a Nigerian is out of the question.

othermen:
AKA is one of Africa’s finest musicians (rap). I hope Tupac 🥷 Biggie don’t play out again. Nasty C has to beef up his security.

LOL. This is not a rap feud, trust me. Nasty C has nothing to be afraid of, unless he is also suspected of having thrown someone's daughter from a hotel window.

Bahamas95:
Maybe they mistook him as a Nigerian.



SA are terrible people, they always claim to be more civilized than other Africans but they're barbarians.

Who will look a Coloured boy finish and mistake him for a Nigerian? Everything is not about you guys,

AreaFada2:



All Lamogun greeters descended from an Oba at one point or the other. Since Oba Eweka 1. One reason you see them across all of Edo South and beyond is that some may have been descendants of dukes sent to rule various parts of Edo land. Most dukes were princes and in the past few hundred years, exclusively princes. However, for some, their connection may lie too far in the past to know their exact royal ancestor but most will know which Oba they descended from.

There is no provision to give up Lamogun just because you were royally related too long ago. You keep your salutation in perpetuity unless female and married. You then follow your hubby's own.

Morning salutation or lineage is something every Benin person is proud of and won't relinquish it for any another salutation unless married females.

Some ancient dukes were not paternally related to Ogiso or Oba dynasty or were notable warriors or otherwise performed great deeds for the kingdom and may therefore have own unique lineage greeting granted them.

Ah. I see. Thanks.

UGBE634:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQZl-yyNqE

This is what this man had to say about it, that is the Esogban of Benin, the second most important chief in Benin after the Iyase, also he is currently 93 years old. Hear what he has to say about it. Timestamp 4:50-5:23


Building on that, there are 3 lineages that greet Lamogun in Benin. They seem to be break away lineages from that of the Oba of Benin. The answer to the greeting itself suggest so. The answer usually follows like this, Ovbi'Umogun'Oza, Ovbio-Oba dudu' Ovbia-Noyeama, Ovbia-nanioboda etc these are usually praises of the family when someone salute Lamogun

Even Izoduwa did not know he was from the Oba's family. He had done the history of his community and family before he found out that his family are not originally from the community he is from in Orhiowmon, but that they migrated down from Evbiewmen in Benin.

Now Evbiewmen is a quarter where Oba's other children are sent to reside when the first son is crowned. And maybe one or two other sons have been sent to man other communities. The rest are usually sent to Evbiewmen.

They are the Oba of Benin's family
Enogie of Ehor's family
Enogie of Ugboko Evbomode

lineage greeting 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpv5ykqlyGw
It is the second greeting there

Lineage greeting 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOBY3QxokR0

Lineage greeting 64 and 71, you will find the Enogie of Ehor and Enogie Ugboko Evbomode.

Now that there are families that are from the Oba's family but do not greet Lamogun is not in doubt. E.g lauhe etc but that there are families not related to the Oba that greet Lamogun alongside with the Oba is highly unlikely. Although According to Chief Osewmengie Ero, the Oba bought it from Igun street, but that any family alongside not related to the Oba's family will greet Lamogun wherever the person might even be in Benin Kingdom is unlikely going by what chief Esogban said in Timestamp 4:50-5:23.

And also alluding to the response giving to such person given to the person who salute Lamogun, it is exclusively the Oba's ego's response that is given

It is possible to greet Lamogun and not know you are related to the Oba's family (you might just explain it away with oh, maybe we are one of the descendants of Igun street people)until you decide to do your research and see that you are a migrant family from the community you are from and that you are related to the Oba

That was helpful. Thanks.

The extinction of all minority languages (and even most of the majority ones) in Nigeria is an inevitable fate. Best thing we can do for ourselves now is to intensively document these languages for future scholars, historians and linguists, so that when they do die, there at least will be something left behind, because die they eventually will. In the ever homogenizing global world, they simply cannot compete with global languages.

Even larger and more widely spoken African languages like Hausa and Swahili will eventually succumb to the onslaught of global languages, unless Northern Nigeria and the Eastern African bloc become technologically advanced superpowers and deploy their language in teaching science and the arts at all levels to its citizens.

As long as any language group is still teaching calculus, philosophy, chemistry, physics and poetry to its citizens in English or French, I don't care how big that language group is, or how vibrant they think their language is, that language is endangered and has at most a few hundred years to go.

samuk:


Lamogun was not always the greetings of the oba of Benin, it originally belongs to Igun Street. The Oba bought it from them. Those that migrated from Igun Street in ancient time before Lamogun was appropriated by the Oba would have taken it with them.

OK, thanks.

UGBE634:
Idu is an Udo thing not a Benin thing, Benin as a city is too recent for the pa Idu story. The earliest of Binis lived in Udo. You cannot be attributing Udo glory to Benin. Check around you, it is common knowledge, everyone greeting La-Idu are from Udo.

It is also common knowledge that the first Ogisos lived in Udo going by Etsako and Urhobo narratives as against some Binis who would want to attribute Udo's glory to Benin. Udo is our oldest town by a mile, it is uncontested. The Eriwmin-Idu shrine in Udo is mightier than the one in Benin. That shows its root.

Can I ask you a small question? I was recently speaking with a man from Umoghun n'Okhua, and he said their greeting is Lamogun. I was under the impression that this greeting was exclusive to the Oba's family in Benin.

Are their non-Ọba lineages, especially in Iyekorhionmwon that use Lamogun?

Edeyoung:


Bleep off bro


I don't see why you're here we are not discussing benin-ibo today samuk has done a good job unreveling how we sacrificed your ancestors to our gods

Again I am not Gregyboy

Don't burst an artery, Gregyboy. The healthcare system isn't so good where you are. You might die. 😂

I was never here to get into this unending Edo-Yoruba feud. I corrected a misrepresentation and went back to the sidelines.

And where did Samuk "unrevel" [sic] that my people in Anioma were sacrificed to your gods, and why would anyone be proud of such a display of barbarism, assuming it did happen? 🤔

Edeyoung:


Rather did many research in benin city he did more writing in benin history than any tribe in Nigeria

You saying rather not knowing the yoruba history to draw conclusions in the Benin-ife relationship is absurd

If Ryder could somehow trace the benin relationship to nupe then he definitely saw fragment of evidence between both areas, he could likewise have also seen for the yorubas too but non was there and don't assume that the edo environment has somehow eroded it away when we know it was never even there

Ryder acted on the agreement of both the edos and yoruba historian on the benin-ife history is not something he discovered himsef like that of the nupe-benin relationship, he went ahead to give it a sense of believe and did is research and found nothing


We all know the benin-ife relationship is a political game that was played during the early formation of Nigeria to unite both tribe under a strong political presence

No matter how old an interaction between two tribe took place there must be a relics left by the one that was later absorbed

Good morning, Gregyboy. How are you today? I will be lying if I say I haven't missed your incoherence. 🙂

scholes0:


I saw the Idu thread. Wasn't it the one talking about Idumu/Idumwun (A community of people argument)?

Yes.

I remember him too.
Those were old timers when culture section used to pop.

The conversation back then was a lot more intellectually stimulating.

scholes0:


Like, I just tire.

To be fair though, Ugbe634 has been more pragmatic that the rest of these ones just doing bandwagon activism.

Yea, I remember arguing with him once about the origin and etymology of 'Idu'. He disagreed very strongly with my position, which I understand. All things put together he is more pragmatic and objective than most other Benin people on here.

Another pragmatic Benin nairalander, who no longer uses this platform was bokohalal.

samuk:


RedboneSmith was already here, he got a bloody nose and ran away. He may just come back swigging after reading this my reply. Let me go and look for body armour for protection.

Bloody nose?

The way you people claim 'victory' is very funny. TAO will trash you people with concrete peer-reviewed scholarly submissions. You people will claim you gave her a bloody nose, even when the interaction in which she dragged all of you like small Tiger gen is there for everyone to see.

I came on to demonstrate that Ryder was misquoted by one of you. I did that. I put all the evidence out. And then stepped back, because I have no interest in the broader discussion going on here. You came and claimed I was given a bloody nose. By who? How? Gregyboy used to do this a lot with me too, which was really weird, because that boy has never made one coherent point all the time I have known him here.

One wonders if this is a peculiar Benin trait - to claim phantom victories.

Is that how your empire was also built - on the back of phantom victories? One would hope not.

davidnazee:


Bro I guess you read Ryder's book backwards to come to your own interpretation of his work.
No where in his book did he advocate for an Ife origin for the Benin kingship, rather he believed we should look elsewhere for the origin of Benin Kingship because it was unreasonable to believe an already established society will look to Ife (an unknown place, great empires and kingdoms are known) for Kingship.

An the bolded above simply means after all study and research, there is absolutely no relationship/similarities between the Benin kingship and Yoruba kingship. How then can you claim an Ife origin for Benin kingship?

You can continue reading Ryder's work backwards.

Nawa oh. The English that Ryder wrote is quite clear na. Why are you people reading something else there? 😳 It's rather weird.

Let me provide further quotes from that same chapter "The Benin Kingdom" written by AFC Ryder. It is chapter 6 in the book Groundwork of Nigerian History edited by Professor Obaro Ikime, for anyone who wants to check it out for themselves.

On page 110, Ryder wrote: "At the end of the 15th century, the first Portuguese visitors to Benin were told that the Ọba received investiture and regalia from a distant potentiate whom the Edo knew as Ogane; this 'suzerain' may have been the Oni of Ife. Before 1897 parts of the body of a dead Ọba were sent to Ife for burial. But although there are good grounds for accepting some ritual and dynastic relationship between Benin and Ife, exactly how it was established is hard to determine. "

Further down on page 112, after mentioning that Benin chiefs told Captain Roupell in 1898 that Benin people sent to Ife in the Yoruba country for a king and Eweka was sent to them, Ryder wrote this in conclusion: " The most that one can safely conclude from this evidence is that Eweka was probably the first Ọba to rule in Benin, and that he was probably of Yoruba origin, though not necessarily first-hand from Ife."

There are "maybes" and "probablys" in Ryder's submission, because, of course, when you're working with oral tradition (and even written evidence in some cases) there is nothing like 100% certainty. But it is clear from the chapter that you derived your initial misquote from that Ryder was actually leaning towards a Yoruba (if not specifically Ìfẹ́) origin for the Eweka Dynasty.

Let me reiterate that I do not necessarily agree or disagree with what Ryder had to say. I don't care one way or another. My entire point is simply: Don't misquote a scholar in order to make a point.

Also, I see a screenshot flying around from a paper Ryder wrote where he pointed to the Niger-Benue area. The screenshot comes from a paper Ryder wrote in 1965 called "A Reconsideration of Ife-Benin Relationship". The predominant view in Nigerian historiography until 1965 was that the Eweka Dynasty was of Yoruba (Ife) origin. In 1965, Ryder came up with an interesting new theory which he published in that paper. It was really interesting and sparked off a conversation in scholarly circles. JK Thornton building on that even wrote his own paper, where he argued that the Ogane was the Ata of Igala. In any case, both Ryder's and Thornton's theories never really caught on in academic circles. It even appears that Ryder himself came to question his theories later in his career, because in this chapter (that I have quoted and you have misquoted) that he wrote for the book Groundwork of Nigerian History in 1980, he did not mention his 1965 hypothesis at all, but seems to have reverted to the traditional orthodoxy of a Yoruba (even if not specifically Ife) origin for the Eweka Dynasty.

Peace. Happy Sunday ✌️