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Probz:
Seriously, what was that, Redbone? This thread feels like something that might just be half up your street. Not so much the Umuzocha bit as where the thread ends up.

I'm confused. What?

Gajagojo:
It occurs more in Ibo land than anywhere else
That is a fact
If you can read simple English you would understand that is my point
What is the source of my claim

Okoro, A.N. (1975) Albinism in Nigeria. A Clinical and Social Study. The British Journal of Dermatology, 92, 485-492.

I already showed you

The likely explanation is higher rates of inbreeding

Inbreeding is the most ridiculous thing anyone can accuse the Ìgbò of. Igbos who detest in-breeding to the point where there are whole villages who cannot intermarry because of a putative common ancestor from 500 years ago.

Benin people jumped and passed this one. Them done do eye like say them no see am.

Trust the usual suspects to turn this into another Igbo bashing thread, even before it has managed to reach its second page.

Ghostagain:
Dude, what exactly makes you think I value your judgement ? 🤣
This is as if after a physicist tries to teach some physics to a 6 year old, the six year old comes and tells the physicist that the physicist sucks at physics and some other guy is much better than him 🤣
Ok dummy.

You're right. You don't need to value my judgement. I'm only correcting this impression that you have about schooling me. I've only ever valued the contributions of two Benin people here. The rest of you no reach. You in particular don't have the knowledge base to engage anyone on African history. That's all I'm saying. Not asking you to value anything.

Ghostagain:
If a guy wrote a book of how you can get to the moon by jumping very high, I would also disregard his book and call him a lunatic without reading his book, so long I know the crazy and false thesis which his book defends.

This is why I say you are NOT bright. Using your own analogy: How did you know the book is about jumping and getting to the moon when you haven't read the book, you haven't read a review, you haven't read a blurb? You haven't read nothing.

I can bet you haven't heard of Vansina until tonight.

On what exactly is your dismissal of his work based?

I see where you called yourself a scientist. Scientist that reaches conclusion on a decades-long worth of work without looking at the data. Bro, you're just as dumb as the next man.

I am not impressed by your being a mathematician. In your (I will say it again) overinflated sense of self-importance you think you're the only one with an academic bent in this thread. Does my writing style come across to you like it comes from an illiterate?

This is not something I like to talk about, but since you want to impress on me the fact that you have a degree in mathematics, I'd have you know that I have not one, not two, but three degrees in a STEM field. Two from European universities. And they didn't cost me a penny. Full scholarships both times. 11 peer-reviewed papers to my name. Will be 13 in a few months. I'm not your average Joe.

But you see, I don't bring it up in a faceless forum (unlike you) because who cares? Who do I want to impress? It's only little people that feel the need to overcompensate.

Last word: You don't know Vansina. You don't know the great revolutions that have been happening in the field of African studies since the 1960s. You do not know that besides primary written sources, other sources like linguistics, archaeology, ethnography and (yes!) oral tradition have been helping scholars piece together the African story. You do not know anything and you're not interested in knowing. Should probably stick to your mathematics.

Ghostagain:
🤣🤣
Dude, I'm not going to reveal my identity. I'm not interested in being harassed by an army of Nigerian trolls.
By the way some years ago, I was schooling you on nairaland with an other handle.

Benin people claiming to have schooled me will never stop being funny to me. 😂😂😂

There was one boy called Greg who used to run around here claiming to have schooled me, even after I have repeatedly and thoroughly dismantled his half-brained arguments and showed him up to be not-quite-bright.

What is this collective delusion that makes you all think you are making strong points and schooling people, when all you're doing is showing how narrow and subjective and stunted your understanding of history and historical methods are?


I think I remember you sef. Aren't you some guy who called himself Prolog or something? Lived in France? Is a mathematician or something like that? If that's you, and you think you ever schooled me on this platform, your delulu is top shelf. 😂

There are only two Benin people I have met on this platform who I can say I have learnt from. Both of them have left this forum: PhysicsQED and Bokohalal. Now these two guys (especially the former) knew their stuff. Exceptionally well-read and able to articulate their points with proper academic references. I didn't always agree with them, but at least I could respect their opinions. But as for the rest of you, there's nothing to choose between you all and the guy in a beer parlour talking about how Nnamdi Azikiwe turned into a fly and flew into a bottle.

Ghostagain:
You have described his ideas to me enough for me to know he's a crook, I don't have time to read the rantings of foolish crooks.

"Oral tradition as history", the title gives it away, oral "tradition" is not history, just fairytales told by storytellers.

Lmao. So without being familiar with his work (a man widely acclaimed as one of the greatest Africanists of the 20th century, by the way), you've called him an idiot and a crook. How logical. How scholarly. How intellectually unlazy. 😂

FYI, Vansina is strongly critical of oral tradition. Vansina never said a researcher should just accept traditions transmitted across the centuries as historical fact. When I brought up his work, I sure as hell wasn't saying oral tradition was an erro-free objective source of history. Nobody recognised that more than Vansina among all his peers working in the African field.

But I guess there is no need to go into the detail of his invaluable contribution (and the contributions of other historians interested in looking beyond documents to fill the gaps in our knowledge of the African past) since you wouldn't even bother to understand the subject before "unlazily" rejecting them.

By the way, if you were the intelligent scholar you think you are, you should have figured out long before now that contemporary written sources (as invaluable as they are) come with their own shortcomings as well: writer's bias is a real thing; communication gulfs between the culture of the writer and the culture of the writer's subject could and often did lead to misrepresentation. But this is a whole other discussion above your pay grade, I'm sure.

Ghostagain:
You don't think with logic, you think with name recognition, your proof is "Jan Vansina" not actual logic. Grow up !

One question: Have you read any of Vansina's books? I am not asking if you buy into his ideas or not. Scholars disagree and that's okay.

I just want to know: Have you read any of his books, especially "Oral Tradition as History"?

Ghostagain:
Jan Vansina was an idiot and a crook, he may have fooled you, but I'm not as dumb as you.

Show me your peer-reviewed papers. Where have you been published?

"Not as dumb as you". More of that over-inflated sense of importance. I've seen your discussions here; and no you're not very bright. But I understand why you think you are. People who have only seen their d.icks will swear they have the biggest one.

Ghostagain:
History is the study of eyewitness written documents, not the study of tales told by people who were born hundreds of years after the period of time which they are describing.

Jan Vansina did not spend his entire professional career developing an elaborate methodology for mining historical truth from tradition for you to be saying this in 2024.

How many years have I spent posting such documents on nairaland and explaining what history actually is, yet each time I leave, you guys just forget everything and revert back to fairytales. This is what I meant by intellectual laziness.

You do have an over-inflated sense of your own importance. No, you're not as knowledgeable as you think.

AjaanaOka:
Enebeli and Ojugbeli are actually Ukwuani/Aboh names. You will also find them among Ogbaru people in Anambra State who are cultural cousins of the Ukwuani. I do not know any Igala person who bears these names. But it there are, they borrowed them ultimately from Ukwuani.

Enemona is Igala. It has an Igala meaning and is used by Igala people till date.

The use of Alumona cuts across Nsukka and into the Oshimili-Aniocha axis of Delta State. I have no idea what it means, but the people I asked pointed to Igala as the source. If the name came from the Igala, then it has been altered in Igbo mouths, because the name in that form does not exist in Igala. The "-mona" ending is strongly suggestive of an Igala providence where a number of names with "-mona" endings do exist, eg., Ilemona and the already mentioned Enemona.

I'm familiar with the name Alumona from my axis in Delta State. There was even an Obi of Issele Uku that was called that name. I think it has something to do with a masquerade that was imported from Igala. I have forgotten the details. I'll have to ask one of my guys from Oko that knows a lot about this things.

Kajaard:
If there were no 'SELLERS', there will be no 'BUYERS'

Demand is what stimulates supply; not the other way around.

essentialone:
Do not get deceived. Most Nigerian ladies are into Prostitution!

You will heal from that heartbreak, eventually. Give it time.

Peppermaster:
*IBUSA AGE-GRADE (OTU-OGBOR) SYSTEM*
...dated 100 years back

1. Ogbor Umunna (1923-1925)

2. Tax/Dokita (1926-1930)

3. Ukwuu (1931-1933)

4. Aho Mmili Li Umuaka Ibusa (1934-1936)

5. Ikpe Ogboli (1937-1939)

6. Aya Jamani (1930-1942)

7. Aho Nnukor (1943-1945)

8. Aho Chi Ji Eshishe Ji (1946-1948)

9. Umejei Transport (1949-1951)

10. Nche Onwuachi (1952-1954)

11. Town Hall (1955-1957)

12. Nwaezeapu (1958-1959)

13. Independence (1960-1962)

14. Midwest State (1963-1965)

15. Mbido Aya Biafra (1966-1968)

16. Osor Aya (1969-1971)

17. Unor Ogwu (1972-1974)

18. Ego Naira (1975-1977)

19. Kobo e-Dey (1978-1980)

20. Olinzelle Mpukor (1981-1983)

21. Nsogbu CEC Lagos (1984-1986)

22. Nkewa ICDU (1987-1989)

23. Okike Delta State (1990-1992)

24. Obi Mgbodo (1993-1994)

25. Ogbor Obuzor (1995-1997)

26. Minister Olisemeka (1998-2000)

I like how the names of the age grades record time of important events in history.

Aho Mmili Li Umuaka Ibusa - the year Ibusa children drowned in a river.

Aya Jamani - German War, i.e., Second World War

Aho Chi Ji Eshishe Ji - The Year Night Fell During the Day (i.e., The Solar Eclipse of 1947).

Etc etc.

I wonder if this can be extended beyond the 20th century, to the 19th or even the 18th century, and be used to build a chronology for Ibusa history.

Belleful:
Na woman self....hahaha....this one Dey look for political hookup.

Is it possible for you people to see a woman and not spontaneously assume she's a prostitute?

The encircled is the reason why I’m taking this book with a grain of salt. I do not expect a “traditional council” to be objective and approach the history with scientific methodology and detachment. Naturally, the aim would be to present Benin in the best possible light at the expense of objectivity.

Okay. But why?

lawani:
IFA alerted me in 2023 that a former President of Brazil, President Terver paid in millions of naira for ebo for the liberation of Yoruba land even when some so called elders on Yoruba land do not give a damn. I searched him up and he was a typical white man but I knew he must be a Yoruba descendant of course.
I later got to know during my IFA research that two Orunmila incarnations lived in Brazil. The first one whose grandfather landed in Brazil knew himself as Orunmila but the second one who was an Araba in Rorama (RR) did not know but he was a very prominent and well known Araba who died in 1786. He was born in 1696. The first Orunmila was his great great grandfather and President Terver is a descendant of the second Orunmila of Brazil.

How did they get there?. I got the story below via IFA.
……

The prince of Ibokun was a descendant of Orunmila and the ancestor of President Trever of Brazil that landed from West Africa.

It’s either Ifa lied to you, or you’re a charlatan. 😂

To begin with, Brazil never had a president called Terver. So I’m going to assume it’s a typo and that you actually meant President Temer.


Your first problem is that you don’t even know Temer’s background, because if you did you’d know his family does not have the long history of being in Brazil that would have allowed him to be partially of Afro-Brazilian (in this case, Yoruba) ancestry.

Temer’s parents are both Lebanese, and they migrated to Brazil only in 1925. In fact, Temer’s older siblings were born in Lebanon, before his parents japa-ed to Brazil.

So where would Yoruba blood have entered the Temer family tree? In Lebanon? Did the trans-Atlantic slave trade carry Yorubas to Lebanon?

The white Brazilians that would conceivably have some African and therefore Yoruba or Angolan roots would be the white Brazilians of Portuguese or Iberian descent who have been part of the Brazilian landscape for many centuries. Not a second-generation immigrant whose parents arrived from Lebanon only in the 20th century.

Be like Ifa been dey use Latin speak to you.

oyatz:
Oha(Igbo) = Ara (Yoruba) = The people (of a town/Nation).

I thought ara meant 'body' as in singular. I didn't know it meant a group of people (plural).

pseudonomer:
Regarding your friend, I’m not entirely sure of his/her tax situation, but I estimate your friend can only make around £1,100 to £1,300 per month, depending on the tax class.

Wait, are you really trying to insinuate that I don’t understand the concepts of gross pay and net pay. Me wey dey work and receive salaries and gets all deductions that come with it? The condescension sha. 😂

About my friend: Someone that I see her payslips and know the deductions. Her take home after deductions is around £1600. There was one particular month it went down to around £1450. But that was a one-off. Generally it stays around the £1600 mark. I am the one that knows her, not you. I no dey follow una argue this matter again abeg.

Another 40hrs second job is not feasible, and also remember UK uses progressive tax, the more you make, the more your tax rate.

I never said she could do a 40 hours second job. She could do a second job part-time on her off-days or her off-duty hours and make a few extra paper. People are doing it. People I know personally. Not “I heard”.

Again: I no Dey argue this with anybody again. Making 40 million Naira a year in the UK with a job that is considered low income by UK standards is not a big deal. That is the bottom line.

Probz:
I mean if you think it deserves such a menial rep. or if it’s a job you can actually respect.

By UK standards, it really is menial. The pay isn’t commensurate with the work. Hence why it’s been largely left for immigrants.

But compared to people in Nigeria doing a middle income job, care work abroad is better.

Probz:
And what’s your take on support work, redbone?

You mean if I think it pays or....?

UyaiIncomparabl:
Leave the uncle make e dey yan wetin e no sabi. Typical of people wey never leave the shores of the country. 😂

Madam, I’ve been in the UK for the past 5 years. That you haven’t left Nigeria doesn’t mean others haven’t. I am talking wetin I sabi. I currently work in academia and make the equivalent of nearly 70 million Naira a year. As a full-time student, before graduation, I was making nearly 30 million Naira a year.

Back to my caregiver friend and the guy that said someone made 40 million in his first year abroad: If you want to argue that the bulk of the money will go into paying rent and bills, I will agree. But don’t be saying that someone cannot easily make [emphasis on “MAKE”, which is what the guy said, not “SPEND”] the equivalent of 40 million Naira annually abroad, because that one na lie. Big ignorant lie.

2mch:
You are calculating her salary. After tax she only take home half of that.

Lol. Half fire. 😂

After taxes her monthly income comes down to around £1600 from £1760. O si nor half.

UyaiIncomparabl:
Una mind go dey. Lol.

Go there and come back and let us know how it works. 40 million kor, 100M ni. You no go pay rent, abi? Tax? Food? Clothes? Miscellaneous expenses? Black tax to family? Charity funds? You go work £21,120 and save the whole sum, abi? Na why una dey always dey stranded for jand be this because of this pipe dream ya'll were sold. Enter there and net the 40M naw. Or you don't want such for yourself? Who no go no go know. Lol. 😂

I am there.

You didn’t ask about expenses. You didn’t ask about savings. What you asked was income. You are changing goal posts now.

UyaiIncomparabl:
And he made over 40M in one year? The story never clear. If you had said "Tech or working in one of the big 4s", I may have believed. May o. In one year? A caregiver? In the UK? No vex, but the story no just clear at all.

What are you people even saying? My friend does care work and makes £11 an hour. She works 40 hours a week. That’s £440 a week and £1760 a month. In a year she will be collecting £21,120. Using the current exchange rate that’s over 33 million Naira.

If she decides to work two jobs (like some guys I know here do) she can easily net over 40 million a year.

2mch:
Your brother is a scammer. Don’t worry, they will soon catch him. Many Nigerians have to scam to fool people at home till it burst. Abroad is not that easy.

You people make me laugh walahi. In my first year in the UK, I made nearly 30 million Naira, legitimate. And I was a full-time student, and the money was barely up to the minimum wage in pounds sef.

A 46 year old professional making 40 million in his first year in the US or UK is not surprising in the least.

Abroad is not easy, we agree. But people have the penchant to paint a picture of abroad being harder than it is. If you come through the legal route, have the right documentation, have your qualifications and are willing to put in the work, what is 40 million Naira?

People who constantly repeat this nonsense miss the reason why a lot of older people relocate.

It is not always about going to look for money.

What is healthcare like in Nigeria? There’s a common saying that the average Nigerian is one serious health problem away from being bankrupt. I’m not rich, but where I live, I don’t have to worry that if my kidney fails today I will come online to beg for donations.

What of security? A lot of you back home live in perpetual fear of armed robbers, unknown gunmen, herdsmen. You can’t even go around and conduct your business in peace without fear of possibly coming into some harm. No be just the other day a luxury bus was robbed around Ijebu Ode, and the passengers were burnt inside the bus by the criminals.

Meanwhile I’ve been parking on the street for 5 years now and never had an incidence. But na for inside my compound in Naija that thieves scaled the fence, cracked my boot open and stole my battery. Na for inside Nigeria, armed robbers robbed almost every house on my street, raped multiple women in one night and police never showed up.

If you’re 40 (and you’re a man), chances are that your kids are still very small. Your oldest kid is probably less than ten years. If you’ve sat down and done your analysis, and you think you can give them a better quality of life outside Nigeria, and you have the means to do so, my man, LEAVE. I have friends who arrived way past the 40-year mark and they are the happier for it. No dey listen to these yeye vloggers.

EJEGBULEJE:
How to recognize Fulani, they are usually skinny,and light skinned with curly hair.
..

There are no hard and fast rules for identifying Fulani people based on appearance. The light-skinned, skinny, curly hair thing has been overblown, especially by European colonial writers.

Many Fulani people I have met don’t conform to the stereotypes. Atiku Abubakar for instance is darkskinned, isn’t skinny and doesn’t have curly hair.

Ynix:
First there isn't actually a tribe called Hausa

People need to stop repeating this. It is wrong. There are people whose ethnic identity is Hausa, hence there is a “tribe” called Hausa. (Don’t like that word tribe; prefer to say ethnic group or ethnicity.)

In addition to these ethnic Hausas, there are also millions of Hausa-speaking people who are not ethnic Hausas.