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Culture / Re: Issele-uku, The Address By Obi Osemene III To Oba Erediauwa 15th March 1982 by RedboneSmith(m): 8:59pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
đ Is this supposed to be the documentation where Asaba was found to still be an Edo town by the mid-19th century? If it is, then the way some of you understand the written word is bizzare. Na wa. Edo words are still contained in Asaba dialect till tomorrow and Edo titles and institutions are still there. That has not changed. There is no large-scale ĂgbĂČ migration into Asaba in the 19th century. The ethnic element in Asaba was predominantly ĂgbĂČ way before the 19th century. The Edo/Igala element in Asaba is a superstructure that was laid over a substructure that was and is discernably Igbo. If there's a document where a 19th century visitor witnessed an Asaba that was explicitly Edo, you people are yet to provide it. 19th century visitors like Adolphe Burdo and Co who documented ethnographic details about Asaba and its environs, provided linguistic and cultural information that shows Asaba was Igboid, albeit with a veneer of Igala and Edo inputs. The first Igbo dictionary compiled by French missionaries in the late 19th century was actually largely based on the Asaba dialect. So much for a town that was 'Edo'. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Issele-uku, The Address By Obi Osemene III To Oba Erediauwa 15th March 1982 by RedboneSmith(m): 7:05pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Dancebreaker: POC, I don't jump into Benin v Yoruba threads, because there's nothing there that is of any immediate concern to me. I comment on Benin v Anioma threads where I feel the relation between Benin and the people of Anioma has been misrepresented. Anyway, if it's the same [misrepresented] screenshot that I have seen that you're talking about, no wahala. I thought there may have been a different one. |
Culture / Re: Issele-uku, The Address By Obi Osemene III To Oba Erediauwa 15th March 1982 by RedboneSmith(m): 3:03pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Dancebreaker: Source for this? I feel I have seen the material you've misrepresented here, but I want to be sure. |
Culture / Re: Issele-uku, The Address By Obi Osemene III To Oba Erediauwa 15th March 1982 by RedboneSmith(m): 3:01pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
mr1759: Reno Omokri is your source? Lol. Dey play. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Issele-uku, The Address By Obi Osemene III To Oba Erediauwa 15th March 1982 by RedboneSmith(m): 2:01pm On Aug 09, 2023 |
mr1759: I have often read on this platform that ĂgbĂČ people did not leave their homeland before colonialism came and opened their eyes. Explain to me how these people who were not leaving their lands and who never 'open eye' were able to dominate and Igbonise descendants of empire builders in the centuries before colonialism. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: The Fulani Beggars On The Street; Where Have They Gone To? (Photo) by RedboneSmith(m): 5:05am On Aug 06, 2023 |
VEHINTOLAR: Tuaregs, actually. From Niger and Mali. |
Culture / Re: Pidgin Words, Meaning And Origin You Need To Know by RedboneSmith(m): 6:59am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Couldntfigurean: This is contestable. Domot means the whole house and not the entrance or onu Ễzá». One can make the argument that the part came to mean the whole, but in this case I think there are far better explanations for Domot in European languages. The Latin word for house is domus. The so-called Romance languages (including Portuguese which had an influence on the early development of pidgin) all developed from Latin and probably contained a domus-related word for house in its early stages before it was replaced by other words like casa. But in some Italian dialects house is still domo or domos. And I heard domos is still used in Portuguese and Spanish to refer to big/grand houses. Anyways, in the time of the slave trade most educated people in Europe including the Portuguese still spoke Latin, and they likely brought with them to Africa a domus-like word that evolved to domot. Note also that English words relating to the house or home, like domain, domicile and even domestic all evolved from this Latin word, domus. That's where domot came from as well. Not door mouth. |
Culture / Re: Pidgin Words, Meaning And Origin You Need To Know by RedboneSmith(m): 6:50am On Aug 02, 2023 |
SosoKairanuli: E don tey (pidgin) = It has been a long time. O tego/ O teela (Igbo) = it has been a long time The pidgin word "tey" and the doubling "tey-tey" has a meaning that is very consistent with the Igbo "tee", á».e., denoting length of time. In addition, it also denotes length of distance in Igbo, but this second meaning seems not to have been carried over into pidgin. This "sotey" looks like an entirely different word, carrying a different meaning, from just "tey". 2 Likes |
TV/Movies / Re: Big Brother Naija âAll Starsâ 2023: Live Updates Thread by RedboneSmith(m): 7:40pm On Jul 28, 2023 |
Does anyone know how Uriel knew TTT was married? Did she know him before they got in the house? |
TV/Movies / Re: Big Brother Naija âAll Starsâ 2023: Live Updates Thread by RedboneSmith(m): 1:23pm On Jul 28, 2023 |
mediocre:Which means she was 29 the first time she was on the show in 2017? Nah, I'm not buying it. 2017 Uriel was definitely over 30. |
Celebrities / Re: Muslims, What Is Wrong With The Music Video - Jaye Lo By Logos Olori by RedboneSmith(m): 11:48am On Jul 24, 2023 |
It doesnât take much to offend conservative and even moderate Muslims. Their sensitivity is more fragile than a fabregĂ© egg. Nigerians should know that by now. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: How Wicked Are White People Compare To Black People by RedboneSmith(m): 9:44am On Jul 24, 2023 |
If it was black people who have the technological advantage that white people have enjoyed for the last 5-6 centuries, I donât think they would have behaved any better than white people have behaved, to be honest. There are reasons why I suspect they may have even behaved a lot worse. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 8:27am On Jul 20, 2023 |
Efewestern:For Aboh, their rise to power was about location, location, location. Aboh is situated at the head of the Niger Delta. It is very strategically placed to control the Niger routes to Bonny and Kalabari, Nembe-Brass and even Itsekiri. Upriver, it had access to markets at Oguta, Ossomala, Asaba, Aguleri and Idah. As a result, Aboh was in a position to become the most important middlemen in the trade between the Niger Delta and the hinterland. Building on these, its people were able to amass wealth and power. * Was the Obiship stool in Aboh a direct offshoot of Bini like that of Itsekiri ?Aboh people definitely believe unwaveringly that their kingship is a direct offshoot of Benin (through Ozolua), and this is the information that they have given ethnographers and anthropologists who have recorded their traditions since the 1800s. I am personally skeptical about most claims of Benin origin. Scholars of oral tradition have shown that it is quite common for people to create genealogies linking them to nearby or even distant centres of high culture and power, especially one that has influenced them profoundly, like the Benin influenced all around them. The founders of Aboh monarchy definitely came from areas to the west of the Ukwuani-Aboh area and found an indigenous population (the Akarai/Akiri/Akili) when they arrived. But I find it plausible that they may have come from Benin-influenced places in the Ika-Aniocha corridor, rather than directly from Benin. The royal section of Aboh (i.e., the "Beninâ immigrants) call themselves Umudei. Dei is still used in Agbor to address the Obi and nwadei is still used widely in the Ika-Aniocha sector to mean prince. The term for princess in Aboh, which is Akpe also has âcognatesâ in places along Ika-Aniocha. The geographical spread of these terminologies (dei, nwadei and akpe) is restricted and doesnât include Benin. Agbor actually has a tradition that the founder of Aboh was an Agbor prince. Anyway, an Ika-Aniocha origins for the Umudei in Aboh is my opinion, and no one should feel inclined to accept it. * Was Aboh considered an extension of Bini? This will depend on what you mean by extension. I have not seen anything in the traditions and history that suggest that Aboh was a vassal of the Benin empire in any practical sense. The Obi operated as a full-fledged sovereign ruler, even carving out his own little âempireâ along the banks of the Niger. However, the Oba of Benin was viewed as some sort of elder brother. For example, both Aboh and Benin traditions suggest that succession disputes in Aboh were referred to the Oba for settlement. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 11:42am On Jul 19, 2023 |
Efewestern: So itâs now a matter of semantics. Itâs alright. Confirmation or external recognition for bragging rights, some ivie had to go to Aboh upon ascending the throne for whatever reason. That is the crux of my submission. I wasnât trying to project some Aboh imperium on Urhobo and Isoko. I actually stated that the journey was made because of the convenience of proximity than anything else. Also note that Bradbury spoke of some ivie âobtaining their titlesâ from the Obi. This suggests that this goes beyond mere recognition for some at least of the ivie that made that trip. The documents you submitted still didn't validate your initial submissions. It only confirmed what I said about Urhobo chiefs mostly going to Bini. The popular EMA dance of the Urhobo people was as a result of the frequent visitation to the Oba palace. You can easily knot together the Bini-Urhobo validation taste but not Obi of Aboh. He has zero influence anywhere in Urhobo land.Now youâre making it sound like I said all or most Urhobo ivie went to Aboh. Of course I knew most went to Benin. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 10:21am On Jul 19, 2023 |
Efewestern: Like I already said, those are not my words. Those were the words of historians and ethnographers who actually did work in the area. First screenshot, quote is from Professor Alagoa, and in the references he cited that the information was obtained in colonial times from the Abraka people themselves. Screenshot Two is from Bradbury. In the 1950s when Bradbury was doing his research in the area, the practice was apparently still current. I actually have more source materials in hard copy form but I don't have my books with me. I am not making anything up. What I said is supported by historical literature. It is left for you to argue with the literature, not me. Also, Abraka is not a border town to Benin and is not closer to Benin than to Aboh. 1 Like
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Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 7:49am On Jul 19, 2023 |
Efewestern: This is actually stated and recorded in history texts, including the works of renowned Isoko and Urhobo historians like the late Professor Obaro Ikime. The texts state that because Benin was quite far, it became fashionable for the Ovie of Abraka and some other ivie in that axis to obtain their confirmation from the Obi of Aboh whose domain was closer. I didnât make it up. Look at your own historical records. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 11:47pm On Jul 18, 2023 |
clefstone: That's the problem. There is a total absence of traditions of familiarity with Aboh in Nsukka area. Given the fact that Aboh Kingdom isn't that ancient (was probably established no earlier than the late 15th/16th century) this absence of traditions cannot be explained away by postulating that Aboh-Nsukka interactions are so ancient that they have been forgotten; I would expect to hear echoes of Aboh presence. There are zero echoes and that's quite telling. Meanwhile there are echoes in Ossomala, in Nnewi, in Oraifite, in Aguleri, etc. Why nothing from Nsukka which uses the name Ossai much much much more than the aforementioned places? It's not adding up. You are very right when you wrote that Aboh was not known for distant inland expeditions. However, Aboh people were known to have a strong trade and social relationship with the Igalas. It is on record that the Obi of Aboh's son went to Idah to settle a dispute that arose relating to Aboh people in Igalaland in the 19th century. What this means is that Aboh people were settled in Igala at that time. The opposite is also the case as we have people of Igala ancestry who have lived in Aboh for more than hundred years, and are now fully Aboh people(I personally know some).The problem with this theory of Aboh getting into Nsukka via Igala is that it fails to take cognizance of the fact that the different groups who dominated trade on the Niger had trade zones that they guarded fiercely and wouldn't let their competitors gain access to. While the Igala and the Aboh were without a doubt in intensive commercial, political and economic contacts, they would not have in their heyday given Aboh access to their trade routes through the Nsukka area. And even if that access was granted, would the water-based Aboh have even found it attractive? In times of conflict with the Aboh, Anam people would simply relocate their villages inland away from the river Anambra, and that was usually sufficient to keep the Aboh warriors at bay. Onicha has a tradition that their town was built a few miles inland of the Niger for a similar reason. These traditions suggest that the Aboh were generally averse to traversing far from the reach of their canoes. Nsukka area would have held no attractions for them: the terrain was far from navigable rivers and was unsuited to their system. With that said, however, I still think the Igala had something to do with Ossai names in Nsukka. I will share my opinion on how later. Ossai is also a Bini sounding name. If you tell anyone your name is Ossai, you are most likely going to be asked if you are from Edo State. Fact!This has to be stated emphatically. Ossai is NOT in any shape or form a Benin name or an Edoid name. Ossai is an Anioma/West-Niger Igboid name through and through. The reason why it sounds Benin is because of the Osa/Ossa there which sounds like the word used in the Edo-Anioma continuum as a shortened name for God. I have even seen Edo people try to argue that it is related to the Benin name Osayi which means "God creates" or something like that. á»ÌsĂ yĂ is not even pronounced anything like á»ÌsĂĄá»Ì (note the inflections.) The name you people in Ukwuani know as Ossai is known in Enuani (Ika and Aniocha-Oshimili) as Ohai, and in Onitsha across the Niger as Urai. If it was related to Benin á»ÌsĂ yĂ, the "s" would not have changed to "h" and "r" in Enuani and Onitsha respectively, since Enuani and Onitsha don't call God Oha or Ura, but call him Osa/Ose (maintaining the "s" as in Benin). Basic linguistics. If you are observant, you may have noticed that where Ukwuani uses "s", Enuani would use "h" and Onitsha would use "r". Where Ukwuani says "Osa" (public), an Aniocha man would say "oha" and an Onitsha man would say "ora". Where Ukwuani says "isu" (face), Aniocha says "ihu" and Onitsha says "iru". This regular sound changes (s, h, r) yielded Ossai in Ukwuani, Ohai in Enuani and Urai in Onitsha. All three refer to the same thing, i.e., a deity which was associated with child-bearing and fertility. This is an Anioma concept through and through and has nothing to do with Benin. And about Nsukka and Ossai: So, yea, even though I doubt that Aboh brought the name directly to Nsukka, I am still of the opinion that it ultimately diffused indirectly from Aboh and environs. The name Ochai is common among the Igala, and it could have easily been brought to them by the Aboh. The Igala who had no âsâ in their phonology, switched the s-sound in Ossai with a âchâ. From the Igala the name could have been passed into the Nsukka zone. Nsukka people appear to have changed a couple of ch-sounds in Igala to s-sounds. For example the Igala name/title Achadu which became Asadu in Nsukka. Long story short, while I agree with the plausibility of Ossai in Nsukka ultimately coming from the Aboh area, I donât agree that Aboh people settled in any significant number in Nsukka: the name probably diffused there through the Igala area who adopted it from Aboh traders. You have to study the history of the Aboh people very well to understand some of these things. The Aboh people were very dispersed because of the distant trading nature of Aboh in those times. You also have to understand that those times are not like now when people get stuck to their ancestral homes. During those period anywhere you find yourself that you are accepted becomes home. For example, there is a family called Enebeli in Effurun, the Urhobo axis of Delta State(cc Efewestern). This family are completely assimilated in Uvwie land and have family compound and street there which I have seen with my very eyes. Recently, I was told they are originally from Aboh although not confirmed. But Enebeli is a strong Ndokwa/Ukwuani name like Ossai. Thereâs nothing strange here. Abohâs influence in the Isoko-Urhobo area is well-acknowledged. The ivie of Abraka and a number of other places in that axis were confirmed in office by the Obi of Aboh. The question is whether thereâs a similar acknowledgment for the Nsukka zone. And the answer is no. My dad told me a story of how his father took him and his brothers to the East of the Niger to find some of their "lost" family members in the 50s. These family members had lived away from Aboh for many many decades, most of them(adults) were not born in Aboh and had never been to Aboh. His mission was to encourage them to come back home and expand the family. There are many people of Aboh ancestry like them all over the place that when you see any trace of Ndokwa/Ukwuani culture anywhere distant from the Ndokwa axis, your first suspicion should always be Aboh! Iâd like to know where in the East your dad meant. If it turns out to be Nsugbe, Aguleri, Onitsha, Atani, Ossomala, Oguta, or even slightly inland places like Nnewi, Oraifite, Ihiala and Uli, which had navigable waterways that led down to the Niger and which have references to Aboh or Olu traders and mercenary fighters in their midst then thereâs nothing surprising there. If however it turns out to be Amagunze or Lokpanta or Nsukka, then that would be quite a reveal. |
Culture / Re: Go To Yorubaland And Practice Your Culture - Ilorin Indigenes Tell Yorubas by RedboneSmith(m): 12:01pm On Jul 18, 2023 |
Bukola94:He (or she) will not listen to you. They see the name 'Gambari' and fly to the conclusion that he must be of Hausa descent. No other evidence whatsoever. Names are not always a pointer to origins. Other circumstances may contribute to the names someone ends up bearing. There are Nigerians whose names are Oyibo, but are not of European descent. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 11:58pm On Jul 17, 2023 |
Aboh was not known for distant INLAND expeditions. Generally, places far out of the reach of their canoes were beyond the pale of their activities. Thus their activities were for the most part restricted to the Niger and its tributaries. Aguleri, Nsugbe and Anam which are riverine, and actively involved with Aboh do not bear Ossai, but somehow the name crops up in very significant numbers in Nsukka axis far in the hinterland where there is not the slightest sliver of Aboh traditions. No, you cannot explain that by invoking Aboh colonisation. Some other explanation has to be sought. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 11:46pm On Jul 16, 2023 |
Stoplying: You sound like a bellend. A methodology for deriving historical data from oral tradition has been developed since the 1970s by historians like Jan Vansina. Add to that the work of historical linguists like Christopher Ehret, it is now possible to use a combinations of traditions, ethnography and information gleaned from language to reconstruct the history of preliterate people. You sound like a dead white man from the 1700s when you imply only eyewitness written document are valid as historical records. Also what exactly do you mean by "origins of Aboh and Ndoni" ? You act as if time started at a given date and the "Aboh and Ndoni" were somewhere in that date and then moved to where they are today. You don't actually understand time very well. Everything in this section is off-tangential nonsense, not remotely worthy of a response. You seem to be making an effort to sound intelligent and failing. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 11:24pm On Jul 16, 2023 |
Stoplying: Hey, Smarty pants, which 1400s literate visitor wrote about the origins of Aboh and Ndoni? |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 11:11pm On Jul 14, 2023 |
clefstone: The screenshot comes from the work of Dr Henderson, which I have actually used to argue here before. I was just a little surprised to be invited to read something that was already well known to me and which I have used in debates before. Lol. Anyway, I actually stand by what I said about administrative lines. And the screenshot you mentioned me in is not even in contrast with what I said. If anything, it supports it. Onitsha would have still been non-Igbo today if it was in the Midwest, then Bendel, then Delta. All of Onitsha's Ezechime brothers are in Delta State, after all. Administrative lines are the reasons why it eventually got involved in the pan-Igbo project, while Umuezechime in Delta have largely not gotten involved in the pan-Igbo project. If by some weird stroke Aboh had found itself in the Eastern Region and later maybe in Anambra or Imo, it too would have eventually found itself participating in the pan-Igbo project. I completely stand by what I said there. Oguta in Imo State is another example I can cite here. Linguistically speaking, Oguta is Ukwuani. Listen to the dialect - clearly Ukwuani. If it was in Delta, the way they self-identify today would have been very different. But just like Onitsha, they passed through a phase where they stood against the growing Igbo ethnogenesis, until they eventually also became full participants in it. And just in case this is not widely known yet, Onitsha and Oguta people are NOT the only people in the East who used "ndá» Igbo" in the past to describe other people but would not use the same term to describe themselves. People who haven't studied Igbo history do not know how widespread this practice was in the Southeast, even down to the 1940s. âNdá» Igbo" was widely used to mean "other people except for us". A Dutch historian Dmitri van Beerselaar recently even did a doctoral thesis on the Igbo where this topic was discussed in some detail. One of the architects of Igbo pan-ethnicity, B O N Eluwa, wrote how he and other ethnonationalists were travelling around the Eastern Region even into the 1940s sensitising people about a pan-Igbo ethnic consciousness. [Just as an addendum, there is something I find interesting about Onitsha's "non-Igboness" in the past. There were a group of people who lived along the river bank of Onitsha who claimed Igala ancestry and were there before the main Onitsha people arrived from Aniocha or Benin (depending on which traditions you believe) . These people of putative Igala ancestry were in charge of certain rituals in Onitsha. Now during some of these rituals, the main Onitsha people were not allowed to be present. So before the rituals, Onitsha people would be asked to leave. The Igala-descent ritual performers would say âIgbo mabo, Igbo maboâ, which means âIgbos run awayâ. The same Onitsha people who termed their hinterland neighbours as "ndá» Igbo" were themselves called "Igbo" by Igala-descent people living by the waterside. And that was how the word Igbo was being tossed around. Ogidi will call all their neighbours except themselves "ndá» Igbo". Nkwele will call all their neighbours including Ogidi "ndá» Igbo". Nsugbe will call everybody including Ogidi and Nkwele "ndá» Igbo".] 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 7:43pm On Jul 14, 2023 |
clefstone: Not exactly sure why I was mentioned here. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 1:10am On Jul 13, 2023 |
Fejoku: There's absolutely no reason to get worked up and verbally abusive over it. It is good as you hold yourself. I tell Southeasterners to just look inwards and focus on themselves. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 12:21am On Jul 13, 2023 |
Fejoku: There's a lot of truth here though. Who is Igbo today and who is not has a lot to do with administrative lines that were drawn in the 20th century. It should never be forgotten that the idea of an Igbo ethnicity is itself fairly recent. As late as the 1940s, Igbo ethnogenesis was still an ongoing project. Acceptance to participate in that project had a lot to do with 20th century administrative and geopolitical realities. There is this strong tendency for people in Anioma to underline multiethnic heritage as the reason why they can't be Igbo. But multiethnic heritage equally applies to many people in the Southeast, where many villages can be found claiming Igala, Benin, Ibibio, Ijaw, Idoma etc origins. There's even some village-units with Nupe backgrounds in the Enugu-Ezike axis. The linguistic tie is practically the only unifier. If Ngwa had been carved into Rivers State, best believe they will not be Igbo today. If Abiriba had been carved into Cross River State, they will likely not be Igbo today. But make we leave this matter. There are people who fall within the Igbo(id) linguistic continuum who are not going to come under the Igbo pan-ethnic umbrella anytime soon. It is what it is. Everyone should be able to live with that. 4 Likes |
Culture / Re: Is Ilorin Not A Yoruba Land by RedboneSmith(m): 12:19pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
ariesbull:The way Nigerians describe ethnicity is very weird. The Nigerian idea of ethnic identity does not recognise assimilation. This is why an Ilorin man who is Yoruba for all intent and purpose will be arguing that he is not Yoruba, based on some Fulani or Hausa or Nupe ancestry from 200 years ago that no longer has any bearing on his life in 2023. Ilorin is a Yoruba town. The major fraction are indigenous YorĂčbĂĄ of Oyo extraction. The smaller but politically prominent fraction are assimilated Yorubas of Hausa, Fulani and Nupe extraction. 4 Likes |
Culture / Re: Is Ilorin Not A Yoruba Land by RedboneSmith(m): 12:13pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
When people say Ilorin has an emir and not an á»ba, the question I usually ask them is: do Ilorin people actually call their ruler 'emir' when they are not speaking English? The answer I get is no. When Ilorin people talk about their ruler in their native language, what they call him is á»ba. 'Emir' was introduced into our national discourse by the British. Even the emirs of Northern Nigeria are called sarki, and only called emir when English is being spoken. The Emir of Kano and the Emir of Katsina, are Sarkin Kano and Sarkin Katsina, respectively. The Emir of Ilorin is á»ba Ilorin. Don't take my word for it, go and talk to an old non-English speaking Ilorin indigene. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: âTake Your Osun And Orisa To Ogun, OyoâŠâ Kwara Imam To Yoruba. by RedboneSmith(m): 12:02am On Jul 11, 2023 |
optionalY09:How is this logical to you? The population of Yorubas in the SW who are Muslim may be as high as 50% of the population or at least close. Do you know how many Obas are themselves Muslims? They should proscribe their own religion? 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Origin Of The Ndoni And Aboh People - Ndoni Historian by RedboneSmith(m): 9:37pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
Interesting. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Eze Chima Was Never A Benin Man Explain By Benin High Chief(video) by RedboneSmith(m): 5:22pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
Sizwezi: I just finished watching a lengthy video where Imasuen Awowie Izoduwa was arguing for a Benin origin for Ezechime. It's interesting that I'm being tagged to see this on the same day. I have always said that the elders know the truth. 3 Likes |
Culture / Re: Go To Yorubaland And Practice Your Culture - Ilorin Indigenes Tell Yorubas by RedboneSmith(m): 9:25am On Jul 10, 2023 |
laiperi: Lmao. Apparently, you're still smarting from that little debate where you couldn't substantiate what you were saying, even after being invited to do so. I always bow to superior argument. I am not given to arguing blindly. I actually went back after this Sulu-Gambari debate to look at the sources, and the sources are unanimous that Sulu Gambari is descended from Alimi through Abdusalami. I have seen the charts of the family tree to back it up and everything. If you're being honest with yourself, you'll also admit that the screenshot your counterpart shared said nothing about the Ilorin emirship passing to a Hausa lineage. The fact that a Balogun (who was even of a Yoruba, rather than a Hausa pedigree) was the de facto ruler at a point doesn't mean the House of Alimi lost the emirship. All it means is that the emirship at that time was a nominal position with no real power. Kind of like the kingship of France under Cardinal Richelieu. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: What You Need To Know About Ikwerre People by RedboneSmith(m): 8:05am On Jul 10, 2023 |
chrisxxx: WĂ hĂĄlĂ dey. My analogies went completely over your head. Chimpanzees are apes. Your biology is weak. I didn't mention iron in my example. I said metal. I know what I said. Again, the analogies went completely over your head. I'll leave this question of Ikwerre vs Igbo here, because being an old timer here, I have grown very tired of the never-ending back and forth. |
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