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lawani:
George I of Hanover was not raised in England. All monarchs raised in England learned French at home up to Queen Elizabeth. Norman French was the language of English courts and that is why English is very rich in French words today. If the present royal family is not Greek then the line from Hanover was not German. The line is owned by William.the Norman

WAS the language of English courts. WAS. It no longer is. It hasn’t been for over 400 years.

Yes, there are many French words in modern English. Every linguist knows this. That is not what I’m discussing with you. Probably up to 30% or so of the English vocabulary is French derived. This is because Old English (Anglo-Saxon) mixed with the Norman French brought in by William and his men to give rise to Middle English, which is the language that Geoffrey Chaucer wrote his Cantebury Tales in.

None. Of. This. Means. That. The. Royal. Family. Continues. To. Use. French. Till. This. Day.

The House of Hanover and the House of Windsor did not and do not. Any English monarch since 1600 who learnt French learnt it in his own personal capacity and not because it was what the royals spoke or because he needed it to converse at the dinner table.


It’s like talking to a brick. **sigh**

lawani:
Starting from William the conqueror if there is any English monarch raised in England that does not speak French, it will be the current one.

Oga, you don’t know history. At all.

Charles actually does speaks a little French because he learnt some French in school (like some of us did). His mother Elizabeth spoke even less French than him. No English king has given much of a toss about French since the late 14th century when English replaced it as the language of court business and administration. Latin remained as the second language of administration, but definitely not French.

The current British dynasty and the one before it are both of German origin, and the earlier kings of both dynasties spoke better German than English and almost no French at all. George I could only speak German.

Since the time of William the Conqueror, many dynasties have ruled in England, and they included Welsh, Scottish and German dynasties, and none of them used French in any official capacity.

Read a book, for the love of God 😂

lawani:
They still speak French among the English aristocracy

No, they don’t. French hasn’t been the language of the English aristocracy for over 400 years. After the English kings lost their territories in France (Normandy, Aquitaine, etc), they gradually began to de-emphasise their French connections and began to emphasise an English identity; and gradually, between the 1380s and 1600, French disappeared from the court and was replaced by English.

Where do you always get your history from?

Armaggedon:
what do they speak sir?

Idoma speaks Idoma. Igede speaks Igede, an Idomoid language.

[quote author=Armaggedon post=129052653][/quote]Igede and Idoma don’t even speak Igboid languages. Know where to draw the line for Pete’s sake!

[quote author=Slytiger post=129054256]Here, the Dein of Agbor stopped a man praying to Chukwu, the name of a deity god in Ibo language in their midst, told him to use Osanobua, the name of God in their language.

The Dein made this move because he knows that “Chukwu” or “Chukwu Abiama” is a pagan deity in Ibo land, just like Ibini Ukpabi in Ibibio and Amadioha in Etche. It had shrines where they did libation and other pagan practices.

Most ibos don’t know this today because they focus on editing and rewriting Ikwerre people’s history on Wikipedia instead of researching their history and knowing who they truly are.

Video:

Here, the Dein of Agbor stopped a man praying to Chukwu, the name of a deity god in Ibo language in their midst, told him to use Osanobua, the name of God in their language.

The Dein made this move because he knows that “Chukwu” or “Chukwu Abiama” is a pagan deity in Ibo land,… pic.twitter.com/jzNFE9xsLb

— Nwo-Diali 𓃵 (@Manlike_ED) March 16, 2024

same Dein whose full name is Benjamin Keagborekuzi Ikechukwu?

The same Dein whose father reigned as Obi Ikechukwu?

Let him keep running from his shadow. LOL.

Must be Oba Momodu Lamuye. His facial features are quite interesting and distinctly different from those of the surrounding people. I almost want to say he was probably a non-native, but Momodu Lamuye's life story makes it clear he was a son of the soil. Looks are indeed deceptive.

Putting all that on the obituary poster is plain stewpeed,

When you were 6, South Africa was not an attractive place for black people, thanks to apartheid. I'm just wondering why your parents took you there in the first place.

Does it mean the rest of us have to ask for permission before we cook it?

Father-Daughter moments are cute. But why you go dey set nyash for your papa? Why?

Christlike01:
Yes,"estimated 4.9 million African slaves" like the ones in the attached pictures in which "620
choice young Eboe" were sold off just in a single transaction,right ? Lol ! Chinedu,all I asked for was just a single picture,just one,to prove that your forefathers were not actually slaves and primitive cannibals ! You couldn't produce it hence your blabbing, slowpoke!

No,every tribe wasn't a victim ! It was only your "EBOE" people that were sold in droves into the slavery like some cheap commodities that they were ! Produce photo-evidence of any other tribe whose people were disgracefully sold off enmasse like your own people and let's see ......I'm waiting,Chinedu ?

You wanna talk about the Oyo Empire ?! Lol,your weak ass fada ! In the Oyo Empire,there were many slave merchants - the likes of Madam Efunshetan Aniwura,Oba Kosoko of Lagos,etc were actively involved in slave trade. Here is a recorded account of slave trade during the great Oyo Empire :The empire grew during the eighteenth century, as it became more involved in slave trading. Oyo also maintained it traditional position as brokers and traders between Yorubas to the south and Hausas to the north. Enslaved laborers provided food for the empire from their work on Oyo royal farms. Surplus labor, when available, was sold to the Atlantic coast.
-source :slaveryandremembrance.org.

The point essentially is that Yoruba people were never captured as slaves by any of their neighbors,unlike your weak ass forefathers who were traded as cheap commodities by the Ijaws,the Binis,the Itshekiris and the Igalas ! See the attached evidence up there. How on earth,Chinedu,do you want to compare your silly selves to the people (Yoruba) who fought civil wars for 73 years,no other ethnic group holds that record in the entire world,and whose army successfully prosecuted wars of conquests in Dahomey (Benin Republic),Togo (Atakpame) and Ghana without losing a single battle! You dey ment if you think your slavery, weak ass tribe is ever reckoned with !

Yes,there were Yoruba slaves but these were the people captured as slaves by the Yoruba warriors during the numerous intra tribal wars. Those people were captured as slaves by the Yoruba warriors,bought and sold by the Yoruba slave merchants. Your own story is not like that as shown in the attached receipt up there. Weak ass "Eboes" were captured by their neighbors - Ijaws ( remember the story of Jaja of Opobo), Itshekiris,Binis and Igala and sold off enmasse as slaves ! The records are all there !

Now,I challenge you again; show me just a picture or photo-evidence of anything heroic about your slavery,primitive and cannibalistic tribe ?! There is none,other than the story of one fictional character named "Okonkwo" in Things Fall Apart! You guys were NOBODY yesterday,you are still NOBODY today and as it is now, NOBODY you shall remain,all factors are pointing to that fact ! Empty loudmouthed braggarts from the pit of hellish jungle,bunch of criminals!

I have never read anything more Christ-like than this in my life. Kudos.

This crap can be debunked in a few minutes as the pseudohistorical doodoo that it is by anyone who has a firm footing in historical scholarship.

joefelin2345:
And who even caused the Civil War! Was it the duo of Murtala & Taiwo? And without holding brief or supporting the duo for their actions & inactions, what happened prior to that ugly & painful incident? Always endeavor to tell history in full as half truth is a socio crime

Okay. Let's talk about what happened before that ugly incident.

A group of Igbo officers and one Yoruba officer staged a coup and killed a handful of Northern and Western elites (together with one Igbo officer). The death toll wasn't all that high. Maybe a dozen or so.

The Northern elite retaliated some months later and killed well over 230 Igbo officers. Let me repeat: over 230 Igbo officers.

So they settled the score. In fact, they settled the score times 20! A northern officer Akahan even said that revenge had been exerted, the scores had been settled and everything could now return to normal. It was a politico-military affair and it had been settled within the military.

So why didn't they stop there? Why did they launch a nationwide massacre of Igbo civilians and non-politicians that had nothing to do with the coup? In that massacre, at least 50,000 Igbo men, women , children and babies were massacred. This was the trigger for what happened next.

Only dolts and apologists for the disease of Igbophobia still blame the civil war solely on Nzeogwu's coup. The North had had it in for the Igbo since before Nzeogwu. Go and read about the Jos Riots of 1945 and the Kano riots of 1953. A wholesale massacre and a descent into civil war was bound to happen. Make una stop to dey use Nzeogwu's coup as a pretext and admit that Nigeria has always had an Igbo problem.

TheMomentumTv:
Origin of the Igbo
The origin of the Igbo people is dated back to the patriarchal Eri. Eri was the fifth son of Gad. He was the grandson of Jacob and settled in medieval West Africa in the 9th century (948 A.D.).

So the grandson of Jacob who lived before 1000 BC was still alive by 948 AD. SMH. I’m still praying for the day you people will turn your brains on and realise how stvpeed these claims are.

I find it funny how we pick and choose what aspects of imported culture and religions are indications of mental slavery.

Rostikol:
Mumu. I can school you in providing a MOUNTAIN of evidence showing ancient Nigerian/African connection to Asia enough to make your head spin.

Are you aware that BLACK AFRICAN EMPIRES existed in Japan, China and the rest of Asia in antiquity?

Are you aware that DNA studies have traced Asian ancestry to black Africans, and JAPANESE ANCESTRY TO NIGERIA?

Are you aware that there are African languages spoken in Asia by populations there?

Are you aware that TAMIL, the Indian language is a traditional language spoken in Cameroun?

Are you aware that Bali, the Indonesian language is a native language of Botswana and DR Congo?

According to scholars, ''Mien or Yao is a group of related languages spoken by the Yao people, a Bantu group in: a. Malawi b. Mozambique c. Tanzania. They are also called Wayao. They speak the same thing (language) in terms of nouns and verbs with the Mien tribal group of China.

If the Yao can trace the origin of their language from China with sufficient facts, what will then stop the Mwaghavul man and other tribes or related groups from the Niger-Congo family from doing the same? Since they shared a lot of wordings and pronunciations in common and practice. Bali is spoken in Indonesia and at the same time in the Democratic Republic of Congo and so also is Sotho which is spoken in Lesotho, South Africa and Botswana.’’ (Encarta, 2004). - Roger Blench, Kay Williamson Educational Foundation, Studies UK, Chief Research Officer

Are you aware that the Shanga people of Nigeria most likely founded the Shang Dynasty of China which ruled that nation for 600 years?

I will school you all night because I know your head is EMPTY of any knowledge of Africa's GLORIOUS past.

More drug-addled rubbish. Someone that wants to school me is quoting Encarta for me. What next - Wikipedia? A YouTube channel? Some blog by someone called the Piankhi Sabarqo? Bring something from a peer-reviewed journal of linguistics, if you're trying to take me on. Bring some Thomson Reuters-level stuff. I am not your mate in these matters. I've been in academia, teaching at a first-rate university and writing rated stuff going on a decade now. What I know you cannot know by sticking your nose in the pseudohistorical crap that you consume in unhealthy doses. I read all these crappy afrocentric sh.it that you are currently high on when I teenager. Then I grew up and began to do more rigorous research and I realised that they were largely just that: crap. You are a kid, academically. When you are ready to approach history as a science and a serious field of enquiry, you'll realise how foo.lish you are today. Or maybe not.

By the way, I highly doubt Roger Blench wrote this nonsense you are attributing to him. I ran a trace and found nothing. I know Roger Blench by reputation and saying Bali is spoken in Congo doesn't sound like what he would say.

It's not only Shanga people of Nigeria founding the Shang dynasty. Are you sure you don't also want to say that Borno people founded the sultanate of Borneo and Izon people of the Niger Delta founded Arizona?

Otobo.

Christistruth00:
Actually in the DNA test of Yorubas part of what baffled the Scientists was that Yorubas had a particular Gene which the only other place it was found on earth was in Siberia
Siberia is next to Japan
Is it a Coincidence

Where was this research published?

Chinese are descendants of Ham like Black Africans but are the Japanese also descendants of Ham too

Funny. In what part of the Bible does it say the Chinese are descended from Ham?

These are the sons of Ham according to the Book of Genesis:

1. Cush, i.e., Sudan (black Africans, by a wider definition)
2. Mizraim, i.e., Egypt
3. Phut, i.e., Libya (Berber North Africans, by a wider defintion)
4. Canaan, i.e., the area of modern Palestine.

Where is China in this arrangement?

Pure unadulterated bull dung. Everything this Ross-something posts shows a deep feeling of inadequacy that has to be made up for by creating fantasies.

Similarity in SOUND between words DOES NOT reflect relationship. There are hundreds and thousands of words that sound/look alike in different languages that are not related. Similarity in MEANING is a much more important reflector of a relationship. If you check the meanings of these Japanese words and compare them with the meanings of their Nigerian lookalikes, you will see that MOST of them don't even REMOTELY mean the same thing.

I'll close my little comment by repeating: PURE UNADULTERATED BULL DUNG.

ChinenyeN:
I'm sorry the Ndoki one is funny. It definitely seems heavily "centralized", clear as day, but the man is saying it has nothing to do with Igbo.

The Echie one is disappointing. It's not the Echie I'm used to hearing. There's no way they're using the "na" auxiliary or using "ha" as the third person plural or using the verb participle form with "ga", using "-hu" for negation among other things and calling that Echie. This Eberi Omuma is as "central" as the Ndoki one.

These are definitely not the Echie and Ndoki speech forms I'm used to hearing. Granted, I've heard that the Eberi community was actually Isu. Seems they've integrated Echie identity and culture, but retained Isu-type speech. That's interesting. But the one from Okehi... There's no excuse, but at least the Okomoko woman redeemed in some way.
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Dialect levelling is taking place, even when people are not aware that it is happening. In Anioma, I hear people use typically Southeastern Igbo words and language structure while not being fully aware of the non-Aniomaness of parts of their speech.

Anybody who believes this is a gang-up against Joshua should just go and donate his/her brain to medical research, cos clearly you don't have any use for it.

Rossikk:
Shut your dirty lips or watch the video and use your fcking brain, you dunce.

Brainwashed asswipes.

Look at a video that’s received thousands of likes from across the world while you empty-headed moro.ns and pea brains are here typing garbage.

If you feel too inferior to imagine a history grander than your colonial brainwashing, go see your blasted therapists.

Idiots.

You must be a drooling brain-dead imbeci.le, with a severe psychological problem to boot. You and everybody in your extended family.


And there's no one on this whole platform with a more debilitating case of inferiority complex than you. Check yourself.

Teddy0147:
The bitter truth is ibos are not among the three major tribe currently…. Let’s just wait for census…the ijaws are currently more than ibos

Ment.

Beuberry:
Language twist occured to them. The oral history said they are Yorubas. Why do they have too many Yoruba words, names among them?

The simple answer is acculturation and linguistic assimilation. .

I have learnt not to trust oral traditions too much when it comes to origins. People tend to claim that they come from a culture or kingdom that has influenced them significantly.

The linguistic data indicates that they were/are a non-Yoruba people.

Beuberry:
Ogoris are Yorubas. All evidence said so.

Yes, they are Yorubas, when you choose to conveniently ignore the fact that there is actually an Ogori language which is not Yoruboid.

Gamesmart:
I really struggle to believe there are more Yorubas in the USA than Igbos.

I am suspecting maybe Yorubas just teach their kids their indigenous language more than Igbos.

There are more Yorubas in the UK than Igbo. I struggle to believe that is also the case in the USA.

You could be correct. The statistics are actually about what number speaks those languages at home; it is not about the total number of people of those ethnicities in the US. There are over a million Nigerian-Americans. But if you add the Nigerians in that data set, e no even reach 400,000 because most Nigerians in the USA don’t speak their native languages.

And from my experience, Yorubas are more likely than Igbos to maintain and pass their language to their children.

LOL.

The aboriginal occupants of Inland Onitsha were an Igbo subgroup known as Oze people. The Waterside was occupied by some immigrant Igala fishing people called Ulutu/Mgbelekeke.

Igala origin in Owo? Lol. Ayegba Abdullahi is a notorious and discredited liar on Facebook sha. He has been claiming that the Afro-Brazilians of Yoruba descent are Igala. Anything he says should be taken with a giant pinch of salt.

Some Benin blood in Owo is easily conceivable as there was intensive contact and exchange between both kingdoms, but Igala no dey that equation.

DomPerignon:
And they will be insulting Lugard over 1914 almagation but here are the fools praising the house negro who happens to be Ibo as a hero.

How can you condemn Lugard and 1914 but still go on to praise Obed-Edom Azikiwe?

You have to be a mouth breather to believe a word of this post.

A mix of English and our local language. It is very common for us to start a sentence in English, switch to Igbo in the middle and return to English by the end.

charsoso:
Yes without being biased, simply means come up with a more logical aguement that can efficiently counter what had been presented by the historian, it's as simple as that

Ok. Here goes.

First of all, I will have to point out that Naiwu Osahon is not a historian - the man has no advanced degree of any sort in any field of history. His LinkedIn page lists all sorts of esoteric titles: Hon. Khu Mkuu (whatever that means), Ameer Spiritual, etc. There's nothing anywhere to suggest that he is a professional historian or has ever published anything on history in a peer-reviewed academic journal. So I'm not going to be referring to him as a historian; I will be referring to him as the author.

1.The author claims the name 'Ife' comes from the Edo word 'Uhe' and means 'va.gina'. Okay, cool story. Considering the fact that Ife or Ufe is a common place-name across the Yoruboid world - from Igala (which speaks a Yoruboid language), to Okun area, to central Yoruba area and even all the way in Benin Republic - but does not occur even once in the Edo area as a place name, it is very easy to identify the Edocentricism in the author's claim. Also the Yoruba do have a Yoruba etymology for the name 'Ife', and I can think of at least one more etymology which matches the topography of the place-name. So your author was definitely incorrect when he claimed Ife to be a non-Yoruba word.

2. Then he went further to make the claim that Ifa rituals and ceremonies must involve Bini traditional faith custodians to be considered authentic. A historian would attach at least one good reference to this claim. There is a vast literature on Ifa. I mean, literally hundreds of books and academic papers have been written on Ifa. He could not bring one of this sources to support this claim? Now, even assuming that no scholar has explored that particular aspect of Ifa rituals, did he witness it himself? Or did he hear about it from a reliable person? A historian who understands the historical method would include that source and relevant details about them in a footnote. There's no such thing here. The author just throws in an unreferenced claim and quickly moved on. That's not scholarly. Again, the authors Edocentric bias is clear to see.

Anyway, on this Oduduwa-Ekaladerhan issue, if Edo historians (trained historians, not accidental ones, like Osahon) are objective and honest with themselves and are willing to apply strict historical methods to the story of Ekaladerhan, they will easily see how the original traditions about Ekaladerhan was deliberately distorted especially since 1970 and they will understand why it has happened.

1. I challenge you or anybody else to find a single account that predates the 1960s and 1970s where it was said that Ekaladerhan went to Ile-Ife or even had anything to do with Ile-Ife. The original story of Ekaladerhan was that he was the son of the last Ogiso Owodo; due to some unfortunate events, he had to flee from Benin; he went south and established himself at Ughoton. Years later, back home in Benin, it was found that Ekaladerhan's exile had been an unfortunate mistake or a malicious plot and an embassy was sent to bring him back. Ekaladerhan refused to return and even fought an army that was sent from Benin to forcibly bring him back. Ekaladerhan lived the rest of his life in Ughoton and died there.

This is the account you will find in all pre-1970 records of Benin history. From Ling Roth in 1903 to Egharevba in 1934 and all the subsequent editions of his work down to 1965. They all agree that Ekaladerhan went to Ughoton, lived the rest of his days there, never returned to Benin and certainly never went to Ife. Again, if you can find a single account from before 1965 that says Ekaladerhan went to Ife, I will immediately apologise for typing rubbish.

2. It was not until around 1970 that the claim of Ekaladerhan going to Ile-Ife surfaced for the first time in the writing of Osaren S. B. Omoregie. Omoregie's story is even different from the one told in Benin today, but it was the first recorded step in that direction. According to Omoregie, Ekaladerhan fled from Benin to Ughoton, then he fled again from Ughoton and wandered around until he came to Ile-Ife. In Ile-Ife, he was adopted into the royal family and adopted the name Omonoyan, which was corrupted to Oranmiyan. Ekaladerhan-now-Omonoyan returned from Ile-Ife to Benin to found the Oba dynasty. Cool story. But apparently, some people in Benin didn't think it was cool enough. Why make Ekaladerhan an adopted prince and a protege of a Yoruba kingdom when he could be a bonafide founding king of a Yoruba state and a pivotal figure not only in Edo history but in the history of all Yoruba as well? Greater Benin and all. So they decided to again change it a little bit.

3. Between 1971 and 1973, three Benin writers (Prince Edun Akenzua, D.U. Edebiri and Air Iyare) re-recrafted the story of Ekaladerhan. In the new account that emerged from their workshop, Ekaladerhan was not adopted into the Ife royal family. There was no royal family in Ife to adopt him. Ife had no king, so the natives accepted to make this prince their king. According to Iyare in 1973, on the day he was installed as the first Oba of Ife, he proclaimed in Edo language, "Ikpomwosa! Idoduwa!" which means "I thank God! I have chosen the path to greatness!" Idoduwa was then corrupted by the Yoruba to Oduduwa.

One can trace the pattern of changing of the Ekaladerhan story thus:-

Up to 1965: Ekaladerhan was a Benin prince who was exiled to Ughoton and died there.
In 1970: Ekaladerhan did not die in Ughoton. He went to Ile-Ife and became Oranmyian
Between 1971 and 1973: He went to Ile-Ife, but instead of becoming Oranmiyan, he became Oranmiyan's father Oduduwa.

Who knows what he will become 75 years from today.

I will like to add here that students of African history will do well to study a phenomenon known as the lost-heir theme or the exiled-heir theme. This phenomenon was discussed albeit not exhaustively by David Henige in his paper "Oral Tradition and Chronology".

In brief, the legend of the lost or exiled heir is used especially by pre-literate cultures to hide the fact that they have experienced a change in dynasty or that they have accepted a new line of foreign rulers. So instead of admitting that one dynasty has ended and a new foreign dynasty has come to power, many pre-literate societies will come up with the claim that the founder of the new dynasty is actually a prince from the old dynasty who got lost or was exiled, but has now returned to re-establish the rule of his fathers and thus ensure dynastic continuity. This phenomenon accounts for why preliterate African kingdoms appear to have far fewer successive dynasties than their counterparts in Europe and Asia. Historians have identified instances where this exiled-heir device was used in other African kingdoms like Buganda and Rwanda. Robin Law also suspects that the Bariba exile of the Alaafin of Oyo in the 16th century has been used to cleverly mask the fact that Oyo may have experienced a dynastic change at this period which probably brought in a line of Bariba Alaafin. This is exactly what Omoregie, Edebiri and Iyare did with the Eweka dynasty between 1970 and 1973. (By the way, I don't think this is the only time this device has been used in Benin tradition. It may have been used at least two other times - but let me not get into that.)

It is more than likely that the line of rulers that replaced the Ogiso in Benin was of Yoruba origin.