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Christianity EtcRe: Religious Extremism And Intolerance In Kano: 9 People Sentenced To Death In Kano by Redlyn: 4:24am On Aug 23, 2015
Teempakguy:
I don't know at all. While I vehemently condemn the death penalty, I am at a loss of words to describe any other fitting punishment for them. sad
What they need is psychological treatment. But it appears their disease is incurable. So I would just lock them up and throw away the key.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Atheists Give Us A Natural Explanation To The Origin Of Nature by Redlyn: 11:00am On Aug 21, 2015
Nobody knows
Christianity EtcRe: Morality Demands A Moral Law Giver by Redlyn: 5:02pm On Aug 04, 2015
See this guy snaking around

The question is not whether or not god has laws about how to manage slaves.
The question is why does god not condemn Slavery.

"slavery was initiated by the slave" chai grin
Christianity EtcRe: Morality Demands A Moral Law Giver by Redlyn: 11:56pm On Aug 03, 2015
How many people has this board deconverted?! grin
Its so good to witness logic, reason and critical thinking overcome decades of indoctrination.
Long may it continue.
Christianity EtcRe: I Am Beginning To Feel Agnostic Recently by Redlyn: 5:38pm On Jul 30, 2015
UyiIredia:
There is no dead center in this issue. You either believe in God or you don't. Babies aren't atheists, using your logic animals and rocks are atheists which is silly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism
Christianity EtcRe: I Am Beginning To Feel Agnostic Recently by Redlyn:
UyiIredia:
It isn't a position precisely because of that. If you claim that God is unknown or unknowable, you haven't told me whether you believe in God or not. It's not uncommon for Christians to say God is unknowable or mysterious. And As I said, deists and atheists can be agnostic about their belief or lack of. So if one claims to be agnostic, the question of what type of agnostic the person is, agnostic theist, deist or atheist and unfortunately many so-called agnostics are atheists who don't believe in a God.
That is because you consider that there are only 2 positions, left or right and choose to ignore dead center.
ie. I neither believe nor disbelieve because I don't know.
Technically you could call such a person an atheist (implicit), in the same way a baby is also an implicit atheist. But if we are talking about explicit positions, it is simply Agnostic. I have been through being agnostic before I fully embraced my lack of belief and now I am a fully fledged atheist / agnostic atheist.
Christianity EtcRe: I Am Beginning To Feel Agnostic Recently by Redlyn: 3:55pm On Jul 29, 2015
UyiIredia:
First off, being agnostic isn't a position. You can be agnostic and still be a theist, a deist or an atheist. That said, being a Christian doesn't mean you must believe every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Bible that claims to work miracles.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it in the thread so far but agnosticism is a valid position on its own without being attached to any belief. There are pure agnostics that do not identify with either atheism or theism.
Agnosticism means the existence of god is unknown (weak agnosticism) and possibly unknowable (strong agnosticism).
So it is possible to neither believe nor disbelief in God by virtue of your agnosticism.
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by Redlyn: 1:50am On Jul 23, 2015
Life is utterly pointless. Basically whether you live or you die is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Thats the stark reality of it and thats why humans have come up with all kinds of magical happy ever after endings.
But don't let that stop you in your pursuit of happiness. You are here, wide awake in such a majestic universe. Enjoy it and just try to live a happy life in your short time on earth.
Christianity EtcRe: Society And Atheism by Redlyn: 1:40am On Jul 23, 2015
I did not assume you were a theist.
You said: Assuming I were a Theist, my answer will be 'on the basis of my religious affiliation which denounces both'

My response is I dont see where this is denounced regardless if you really are a theist or not. It is an important point that highlights the moral point of view that slavery is wrong is not from religious text. Discussion is difficult when you choose to hide your perspective.

From your conclusion you appear to have dismissed all answers provided by atheists on this topic, so there is really no more to be said.
Christianity EtcRe: Society And Atheism by Redlyn: 11:15pm On Jul 22, 2015
superior1
You still have not answered the case study question. Are my actions moral or not according to your moral standard.
You also did not explain how slavery and rape were denounced. I have not seen this denounced anywhere. So why are they now considered bad?

How can you consider something immoral, when you do not have a standard of measuring what is moral?
I have explained how a secular society tackles this. If you don't agree or you don't understand then so be it. Repetition will not help.
Christianity EtcRe: Society And Atheism by Redlyn: 7:59pm On Jul 22, 2015
superior1:
Euthanasia is a political issue which has over the time involved various religious groups, it is not an intra but inter religious disagreement based on each groups sacred text. The point of my over analysis is to return the favor since you mentioned 'your mother', i dont like to think of mine in the mouth of lions, ok?
It is not only inter but also intra. You seem to want to claim that religious groups agree on ALL moral questions. Which is simply not true. Morality is far more complex than that. You still haven't answered: I shot my mother to save her from slow and painful death. Moral or not?

Look it up and also answer why you think humans should be given value when it was a creation of nothing and serves no purpose. Those who eat their neighbor meant no harm, they only wanted to ameliorate their hunger, what is wrong with that?
I have already explained WHY most humans share the value to do no harm. Take it or leave it.

Assuming I were a Theist, my answer will be 'on the basis of my religious affiliation which denounces both' it is not necessarily because they are both now a crime against the state
I don't agree that it is denounced. Feel free to be more explicit.
In fact religious text was actually used to DEFEND the practice. So why are they now considered bad?

You have not been able to show that atheism has a common definition or measuring standard for what is morally good and bad, hence you cant as a atheist tell me lying is wrong.
Only one thing unites atheists, and that is their lack of belief in God. So there will never be a common anything amongst atheist specifically. However if you talk about humanity then we can look to the golden rule as a guide. Its that simple. And I have mentioned why this is valued. We identify the harmful behaviors and as a society start to consider them immoral. Its an evolving process. Indoctrinated absolutes (like do not wear mixed fabrics) are not needed.
Christianity EtcRe: Society And Atheism by Redlyn: 3:03pm On Jul 22, 2015
superior1:
That will be a delimma when you do not subscribe to a faith, mainstream religions have teachings that can be inferred on in that peculiar case and by the way, if you have a gun, why not shoot to atleast to scare the lions instead of killing your mother, how come your mother ended up among lions, how come you exhausted your bullets without adequate contingency plans
For the purpose of this discussion lets not over analyse this, its a case study. You could not save her. So you shot her. I am interested to see if from your point of view the "intent" for the action has any bearing on the morality of it.
Euthanasia by the way is a hotly contested topic within various religious groups. If it was clear in the religious text there would no debate and diversity of opinion.

If I ask you to define what you meant by basic human values, you will give a subjective definition (unless of cause, you refer to the state constitution we have both agreed is inadequate), some culture treat their neighbors, others eat their neighbors and to say one is better compare to the other is a baseline for ethnocentrism.
I will not give you a definition as I will have to look it up. But I have given you an example: Do no harm. I doubt there is a society today that does not share this value in principle. The practical implementation of this is another thing (ie what constitutes harm). It is a shared value because as humans we have a shared vulnerability to suffering.

Rape and slavery. As a theist do you find these 2 acts wrong? If so on what basis.
Christianity EtcRe: Society And Atheism by Redlyn: 12:19am On Jul 22, 2015
superior1:
The issue is empirically speaking; there is nothing like universal moral standard. If we are to follow atheism, all moral issues are relative and there is no commonly adopted moral compass, therefore moral can only be an abstract philosophy as all I need do is follow the law of the land which unfortunately cant handle the complexity of the human society eg, there is no law against me telling lies, sleeping with every consenting women etc. The overall implication is, all these vices cannot be judged good nor bad or do you know any law against lying?
The diversity you see in a secular society on moral issues is the same diversity you see within any religious group. There are no 2 religious people of the same denomination who will have the same point of view on all moral questions or interpret Absolutes in holy books in the same manner. So the dilemma of what is moral and what is not is not an atheist problem, its a human one. Your holy book of choice has addressed certain moral questions and made them law but the truth is that the moral dilemmas we face every day are far more complex and we evaluate them on other criteria than any hard and fast law.

Take this situation. You have a gun with 1 bullet. Your mother some distance away is being eaten alive slowly by a pack of lions. You cannot save her. So you take your gun and shoot her to end her suffering. Was that a moral act or not?

Some might say it was wrong because it was your hand that took away her life and there is an absolute law that says killing is wrong.
Others will disagree and look at the intention behind your action which was to remove her suffering.

Most of us share some basic human values (eg do not harm others) and on this basis we can adhere to some universal ethical codes that promotes the well being of society and individuals. It is this attempt at universal morality that forms the basis of secular documents like the universal declaration of human rights. This is by no means perfect, nor free from disagreement or controversy but its the best we have to objectively evaluate right from wrong.
Christianity EtcRe: Society And Atheism by Redlyn:
I would say the state is definitely the arbiter to decide on what a particular society accepts as moral or not but I don't think the state is necessarily the moral compass if you believe in a universal moral standard. Just look a the various states and their opposite stances on certain issues. They cant all be equally moral. The fact that the state is constantly shifting its stance on some topical issues shows that moral standards are constantly evolving and are determined by the people then adopted by the state.

How do people then come up with these moral standards? With every moral evolution I believe we are getting closer to respecting the golden rule: do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. All major religions express some version of this rule. All other laws are merely commentary.
Christianity EtcRe: If We Give Room To Gay Marriage We Must Give Room To Bestiality.m. by Redlyn: 11:08pm On Jul 01, 2015
Joagbaje:
What is bestuality? It's defined in this scripture

Exodus 22:19
"Anyone having sexual relations with an animal shall certainly be executed.
Leviticus 19:19
"You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material."
Do you follow that one as well? Or do you only pick the parts of the OT that suit your own agenda?
Christianity EtcRe: Will You Convert From Your Religion To Another If Offered 10M ? by Redlyn: 10:40pm On Jul 01, 2015
In the same way no amount of money can make me believe in god, mohamed or jesus I dont expect any sum of money to truly convert any believer away from their faith. However if by religion you mean temporary cosmetic rituals, then bring it on. I'll happily take the money and go bore myself in your chosen church once a week.
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Christianity EtcRe: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Redlyn: 5:06pm On Jun 05, 2015
Weah96:
An initial progenitor doesn't have to be remote. It could have been a powerful palm tree, for all I know. Maybe it was a much smaller universe. But to say that the universe has always existed is wrong. There is no precedence for it unless you're coming with solid evidence.
I didn't say that. All I am saying there is equally no basis to say it has an origin.
Unless you limit the definition of universe to what existed from the big bang.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Hate God. I Just Don't Believe He Exists." by Redlyn: 4:30pm On Jun 05, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
What is a mystery to you is a revelation to those who know the One who has all the answers.
Like I said, good for you if you have all the answers.

OLAADEGBU:
It can be scientifically proved that the universe was created if you care to know
Science only goes as far back as the expansion of the universe from a single infinitely dense point.
What is unknown by science is how that point came to be.
So when I say nobody knows how the universe was created its in reference to that initial state of existence.
Christianity EtcRe: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Redlyn:
KingEbukasBlog:
The universe is not on its own. Planets , stars , matter , space etc make up the universe .
I agree. But how does that stop its content such as earth from having an age. That's the point you made.

KingEbukasBlog:
Religion has been seen as an obstacle/barrier preventing man from having a vast knowledge of the universe . So these theories are like breaking the religion barrier. I hope you now get why I used atheistic and not scientific , not that it is wrong to use the latter.
I would say it is wrong as you are linking to atheism what has absolutely nothing to do with atheism, but frankly i don't care.
Christianity EtcRe: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Redlyn: 2:23pm On Jun 05, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:
The universe cannot be eternal - ageless , no time-effect . Meaning there is no age of its content such as earth . Atheistic theories of life formation such as cosmic and biological evolution would then be ridiculed by your assertion.
What stops Earth from being finite within an infinite universe huh
It's not atheistic theories. It's scientific theories. I trust you are able to grasp the difference.
Christianity EtcRe: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Redlyn: 1:58pm On Jun 05, 2015
Weah96:
I wouldn't say creator, I prefer to use the phrase initial progenitor. A creator implies a labcoat type personality and there is no basis for making that assumption. Our universe had an origin. The argument is about the nature of that origin.
I often argue against this premise. Why would you place an "initial progenitor" outside of the universe? If we define the universe as "Everything that has existed, exists, or will exist: The Totality of Existence", we cannot establish an initial progenitor that itself is not part of the universe and therefore there is no such thing.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Hate God. I Just Don't Believe He Exists." by Redlyn: 9:52am On Jun 05, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
In other words, your coconut head cannot fathom. tongue
Obviously there is so much my head cannot fathom.
The universe is such a mystery, the expansiveness and complexity of it absolutely blows my mind.
Collective human knowledge does not begin to scratch the surface of the mysteries of the universe and how we have come to wake up under the sun for a few decades.

But good for you if you have all the answers.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Hate God. I Just Don't Believe He Exists." by Redlyn: 10:06pm On Jun 04, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
How was the universe originally created? huh
Beyond what science has revealed so far no mortal knows. Just speculations.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Hate God. I Just Don't Believe He Exists." by Redlyn: 9:27pm On Jun 04, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
If there was no God there will be no atheists. Figure that out. wink
Whats there to figure out. If there was no Santa there would be no Santa disbelievers. Pointless statements.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity Betray Its Own Logic by Redlyn: 5:09am On Jun 03, 2015
johnw74:
Why would an unbeliever be spending her time discussing Christianity?
Because she is interested in the subject? Why is that your concern.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Will Be In Charge Of Tormenting People In Hell? by Redlyn: 11:18pm On Jun 01, 2015
Anas09:
@Johnnydon the Atheist crew.
The reason why I say u guys are tormented by the idea of hell is that, you guys are always here commenting on all senselessness of religion. If I were an Atheist, I won't bother with anything religion. Like u said, its all bullshit. So what will I be doing with this bullshit every now and then? I won't even be in the religion section. But you guys are always here why?
Being atheist doesn't mean we are apathetic or we don't care about religion.
Some atheists don't bother about religion, but a lot do and rightly so. As your religion affects us.

Religion isn't this private, innocent belief that should be left alone to impose their rubbish on the rest of us free of any criticism.
Laws are being made by the religious majority so your beliefs are invading every aspect of what should be my personal freedom.
Two consenting adults are being threatened with imprisonment and DEATH because YOUR holy books says homosexuality is an abomination. Why does the government get involved in people's sex life?
Only religion can create a mentality so radical that a cartoon would lead to such chaos, death and destruction. Only someone who feels he is acting on divine authority can react so disproportionately. It is poisoning our minds. Real science is being discredited and replaced with pseudoscience like creationism.
Even in public school my kids are being indoctrinated and infected with the virus of fear and blind faith instead of learning how to think critically.

So yeah, I bother with religion, because it bothers me. I will happily free as many religiously enslaved minds that I can.
Even if I had no issue with religion, my inquisitive and logical mind would be on here just to debate life's fundamental questions.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Will Be In Charge Of Tormenting People In Hell? by Redlyn: 12:09pm On Jun 01, 2015
Anas09:
Hell is not meant for man. You don't have to end there. But it appears nairalanders, especially the Atheist are tomented by the thoughs of going to hell more than anything esle. Its very simple. Accept christ and let God help u.
Seriously, if you don't believe in God, then don't believe in hell. So don't join the discussions. Its lame.
I wouldn't say I am tormented. Really, hell is the last thing on my mind since it is actually... a load of bullshit.
I would say I am more repulsed by the fact some of you actually believe in and worship a creature that can create such a place for your fellow humans. Shame on you.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Hate God. I Just Don't Believe He Exists." by Redlyn: 5:10pm On May 28, 2015
Why do some say one cant hate god if you don't think he exists? I don't get this. Fictional villains are usually hated.
Christianity EtcRe: Police Tell Man To Remove Zombie Jesus (Photos) by Redlyn: 3:33pm On May 14, 2015
Esdb3:
Lmfao! grin you need ears to hear God and spiritual things rotfl.
How do YOU hear god and spiritual things?
In your heart? And if so how can you be certain its from God and not your head/imagination?

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