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Teempakguy:What they need is psychological treatment. But it appears their disease is incurable. So I would just lock them up and throw away the key. |
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See this guy snaking around The question is not whether or not god has laws about how to manage slaves. The question is why does god not condemn Slavery. "slavery was initiated by the slave" chai ![]() |
How many people has this board deconverted?! ![]() Its so good to witness logic, reason and critical thinking overcome decades of indoctrination. Long may it continue. |
UyiIredia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism |
UyiIredia:That is because you consider that there are only 2 positions, left or right and choose to ignore dead center. ie. I neither believe nor disbelieve because I don't know. Technically you could call such a person an atheist (implicit), in the same way a baby is also an implicit atheist. But if we are talking about explicit positions, it is simply Agnostic. I have been through being agnostic before I fully embraced my lack of belief and now I am a fully fledged atheist / agnostic atheist. |
UyiIredia:Not sure if anyone has mentioned it in the thread so far but agnosticism is a valid position on its own without being attached to any belief. There are pure agnostics that do not identify with either atheism or theism. Agnosticism means the existence of god is unknown (weak agnosticism) and possibly unknowable (strong agnosticism). So it is possible to neither believe nor disbelief in God by virtue of your agnosticism. |
Life is utterly pointless. Basically whether you live or you die is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Thats the stark reality of it and thats why humans have come up with all kinds of magical happy ever after endings. But don't let that stop you in your pursuit of happiness. You are here, wide awake in such a majestic universe. Enjoy it and just try to live a happy life in your short time on earth. |
I did not assume you were a theist. You said: Assuming I were a Theist, my answer will be 'on the basis of my religious affiliation which denounces both' My response is I dont see where this is denounced regardless if you really are a theist or not. It is an important point that highlights the moral point of view that slavery is wrong is not from religious text. Discussion is difficult when you choose to hide your perspective. From your conclusion you appear to have dismissed all answers provided by atheists on this topic, so there is really no more to be said. |
superior1 You still have not answered the case study question. Are my actions moral or not according to your moral standard. You also did not explain how slavery and rape were denounced. I have not seen this denounced anywhere. So why are they now considered bad? How can you consider something immoral, when you do not have a standard of measuring what is moral? I have explained how a secular society tackles this. If you don't agree or you don't understand then so be it. Repetition will not help. |
superior1:It is not only inter but also intra. You seem to want to claim that religious groups agree on ALL moral questions. Which is simply not true. Morality is far more complex than that. You still haven't answered: I shot my mother to save her from slow and painful death. Moral or not? Look it up and also answer why you think humans should be given value when it was a creation of nothing and serves no purpose. Those who eat their neighbor meant no harm, they only wanted to ameliorate their hunger, what is wrong with that?I have already explained WHY most humans share the value to do no harm. Take it or leave it. Assuming I were a Theist, my answer will be 'on the basis of my religious affiliation which denounces both' it is not necessarily because they are both now a crime against the stateI don't agree that it is denounced. Feel free to be more explicit. In fact religious text was actually used to DEFEND the practice. So why are they now considered bad? You have not been able to show that atheism has a common definition or measuring standard for what is morally good and bad, hence you cant as a atheist tell me lying is wrong.Only one thing unites atheists, and that is their lack of belief in God. So there will never be a common anything amongst atheist specifically. However if you talk about humanity then we can look to the golden rule as a guide. Its that simple. And I have mentioned why this is valued. We identify the harmful behaviors and as a society start to consider them immoral. Its an evolving process. Indoctrinated absolutes (like do not wear mixed fabrics) are not needed. |
superior1:For the purpose of this discussion lets not over analyse this, its a case study. You could not save her. So you shot her. I am interested to see if from your point of view the "intent" for the action has any bearing on the morality of it. Euthanasia by the way is a hotly contested topic within various religious groups. If it was clear in the religious text there would no debate and diversity of opinion. If I ask you to define what you meant by basic human values, you will give a subjective definition (unless of cause, you refer to the state constitution we have both agreed is inadequate), some culture treat their neighbors, others eat their neighbors and to say one is better compare to the other is a baseline for ethnocentrism.I will not give you a definition as I will have to look it up. But I have given you an example: Do no harm. I doubt there is a society today that does not share this value in principle. The practical implementation of this is another thing (ie what constitutes harm). It is a shared value because as humans we have a shared vulnerability to suffering. Rape and slavery. As a theist do you find these 2 acts wrong? If so on what basis. |
superior1:The diversity you see in a secular society on moral issues is the same diversity you see within any religious group. There are no 2 religious people of the same denomination who will have the same point of view on all moral questions or interpret Absolutes in holy books in the same manner. So the dilemma of what is moral and what is not is not an atheist problem, its a human one. Your holy book of choice has addressed certain moral questions and made them law but the truth is that the moral dilemmas we face every day are far more complex and we evaluate them on other criteria than any hard and fast law. Take this situation. You have a gun with 1 bullet. Your mother some distance away is being eaten alive slowly by a pack of lions. You cannot save her. So you take your gun and shoot her to end her suffering. Was that a moral act or not? Some might say it was wrong because it was your hand that took away her life and there is an absolute law that says killing is wrong. Others will disagree and look at the intention behind your action which was to remove her suffering. Most of us share some basic human values (eg do not harm others) and on this basis we can adhere to some universal ethical codes that promotes the well being of society and individuals. It is this attempt at universal morality that forms the basis of secular documents like the universal declaration of human rights. This is by no means perfect, nor free from disagreement or controversy but its the best we have to objectively evaluate right from wrong. |
I would say the state is definitely the arbiter to decide on what a particular society accepts as moral or not but I don't think the state is necessarily the moral compass if you believe in a universal moral standard. Just look a the various states and their opposite stances on certain issues. They cant all be equally moral. The fact that the state is constantly shifting its stance on some topical issues shows that moral standards are constantly evolving and are determined by the people then adopted by the state. How do people then come up with these moral standards? With every moral evolution I believe we are getting closer to respecting the golden rule: do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. All major religions express some version of this rule. All other laws are merely commentary. |
Joagbaje:Leviticus 19:19 "You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material." Do you follow that one as well? Or do you only pick the parts of the OT that suit your own agenda? |
In the same way no amount of money can make me believe in god, mohamed or jesus I dont expect any sum of money to truly convert any believer away from their faith. However if by religion you mean temporary cosmetic rituals, then bring it on. I'll happily take the money and go bore myself in your chosen church once a week. |
Howcomes:not available |
http://cakes.carcm.com/ Cake site for my mum. Disclaimer - mobile is still shit and there are few bugs where i hardcoded stuff |
Weah96:I didn't say that. All I am saying there is equally no basis to say it has an origin. Unless you limit the definition of universe to what existed from the big bang. |
OLAADEGBU:Like I said, good for you if you have all the answers. OLAADEGBU:Science only goes as far back as the expansion of the universe from a single infinitely dense point. What is unknown by science is how that point came to be. So when I say nobody knows how the universe was created its in reference to that initial state of existence. |
KingEbukasBlog:I agree. But how does that stop its content such as earth from having an age. That's the point you made. KingEbukasBlog:I would say it is wrong as you are linking to atheism what has absolutely nothing to do with atheism, but frankly i don't care. |
KingEbukasBlog:What stops Earth from being finite within an infinite universe ![]() It's not atheistic theories. It's scientific theories. I trust you are able to grasp the difference. |
Weah96:I often argue against this premise. Why would you place an "initial progenitor" outside of the universe? If we define the universe as "Everything that has existed, exists, or will exist: The Totality of Existence", we cannot establish an initial progenitor that itself is not part of the universe and therefore there is no such thing. |
OLAADEGBU:Obviously there is so much my head cannot fathom. The universe is such a mystery, the expansiveness and complexity of it absolutely blows my mind. Collective human knowledge does not begin to scratch the surface of the mysteries of the universe and how we have come to wake up under the sun for a few decades. But good for you if you have all the answers. |
OLAADEGBU:Beyond what science has revealed so far no mortal knows. Just speculations. |
OLAADEGBU:Whats there to figure out. If there was no Santa there would be no Santa disbelievers. Pointless statements. |
johnw74:Because she is interested in the subject? Why is that your concern. |
Anas09:Being atheist doesn't mean we are apathetic or we don't care about religion. Some atheists don't bother about religion, but a lot do and rightly so. As your religion affects us. Religion isn't this private, innocent belief that should be left alone to impose their rubbish on the rest of us free of any criticism. Laws are being made by the religious majority so your beliefs are invading every aspect of what should be my personal freedom. Two consenting adults are being threatened with imprisonment and DEATH because YOUR holy books says homosexuality is an abomination. Why does the government get involved in people's sex life? Only religion can create a mentality so radical that a cartoon would lead to such chaos, death and destruction. Only someone who feels he is acting on divine authority can react so disproportionately. It is poisoning our minds. Real science is being discredited and replaced with pseudoscience like creationism. Even in public school my kids are being indoctrinated and infected with the virus of fear and blind faith instead of learning how to think critically. So yeah, I bother with religion, because it bothers me. I will happily free as many religiously enslaved minds that I can. Even if I had no issue with religion, my inquisitive and logical mind would be on here just to debate life's fundamental questions. |
Anas09:I wouldn't say I am tormented. Really, hell is the last thing on my mind since it is actually... a load of bullshit. I would say I am more repulsed by the fact some of you actually believe in and worship a creature that can create such a place for your fellow humans. Shame on you. |
Why do some say one cant hate god if you don't think he exists? I don't get this. Fictional villains are usually hated. |
Esdb3:How do YOU hear god and spiritual things? In your heart? And if so how can you be certain its from God and not your head/imagination? |


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