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DProDG:
If you study cosmology and/or the Big Bang, you'll know it was the 'birth' of space, matter and time. Since humans cannot fathom the concept of 'before time', and everything we know(the universe) exists within time, it's safe to say it has always existed.

I am not disputing the bolded but i struggle to follow how you reached this conclusion based on your premise.
So because we cannot comprehend pre-big bang therefore the universe always existed?
There are lots of theories speculating about before the big bang.

davien:
Origin is not the term I'd use considering the term refers to locations and events which apparently did not always exist.

So then you are saying existence has a beginning. Ie there was a time when there was "nothing" and then suddenly there was something?

davien:
Well...as far as anyone can tell the observable universe can be tracked to a 14 billion year cosmic evolution.

So I take it you have no opinion on whether the universe has an origin or not.

davien:
No one has to believe either for the case to be different....If I believed before hand that Jonathan would be re-elected would that magically have made it so?

True, and i have not said otherwise. I am simply asking the resident atheists which one they believe. What is your opinion?

Hiswordxray:
Exactly what I expected.
You people come here, making noise that you haven't seen God and you have no evidence of Him. But when we offer to take you to God so that you can see for yourself, you would say you don't care.
Then why do you have to come to religion section, making noise and disturbing those who are enjoying and exploring God?

God is omnipresent is he not? Why do i have to search then? Do I search for air? Does a baby go and find it's own food. You people come here with your self righteousness asking people to go and find your God. I ask you again have you searched for the Hindu Gods Shiva or vishnu? Why then should others search for yours.

In any case I grew up Catholic, then I realised that everything I believed was just in my head. I have searched and now I'm done searching.

Hiswordxray:
So you are feeling so big that you think God has to come down to you and start begging and revealing Himself to you just so you could believe Him.

If you want to see God why don't you go and look for Him?
Simply ask for direction from those who have seen Him and you would find your way to Him.

I dont care about seeing your god. Just as you dont care about all the Hindu or greek gods.

Hiswordxray:
I have seen God so I know He exist.

Wow, thats nice. What did he look like? Did he have a white beard like in pictures?

Hiswordxray:
Now tell me, have you seen all the animals that you believe exist?

No, and I never said I must see to believe. Science says they exist and the best model we have that explains the facts of our world is science. The rest is just suppositions. Also none of the animals I believe exist have magical powers that defy known natural laws so believing in them is not a big stretch of the imagination. The animal can also be tracked down if really necessary.

God is a whole different issue. The claims being made by believers are extraordinary and have huge consequences, yet not a single shred of evidence is to be found anywhere. There are so many versions of god in various mystical books all contradicting each other. Some religions dont even have a god. How can I be expected to just accept any of this. If God chooses to not reveal himself to me in a clear manner, thats his problem.

Either the universe (ie totality of existence) has a beginning or it just always existed. So which one do you believe atheists?

Nocrap:
Most atheists are people who become confused with religion, not because they have proofs to show God doesn't exist.

I feel very clear. Religion is indoctrinated. I believe in evidence. For what there is no evidence I just say I don't know. I am clear. However you follow whatever mama said from when you were a baby and will defend it at all cost. Regardless of the evidence.

striktlymi:
The post you quoted is simple enough; I wonder why it seems so difficult for you to understand.

I didn't say I didnt understand it. I just dont have agree with it. I simply expressed my opinion on the matter and asked some questions.

striktlymi:
For those who are exposed to the Christian faith, for which the Spirit has revealed the 'truth', they have a responsibility to believe.

A responsibility to believe
How can one believe what just seems utterly ludicrous.
How hard can it be to provide each person with the evidence they need to believe? God created me and knows what is required. He has the responsibility to supply me with the evidence that will convince my rational mind that he himself created. Me burning in hell due to his failure to convince me is all on him.

Ok here goes again. Hopefully I dont get hacked this time.
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watchman111:
logical rubish

Yeah, exactly what I would say as well if I had no argument.

watchman111:
I know that they are folks on naira land who don't believe in hell. but my question is,what if hell truly exist...mehn,we better thread carefully..

Then I am already doomed.

Because either I am there....suffering eternally.
Or I am not there...watching others suffer eternally. And for me that is as bad as being there myself. How can I enjoy heaven when such evil and torture is going forever?

So if hell exists, I am already doomed.

This thread is right up my alley. But I have to work. Will be back to give an extensive lecture on the subject.

Joshthefirst:
Lol. Dismissing reality doesn't change anything. Note its not my idea. Humans are more than flesh and blood. They are Spirit. Spirits are eternal.

I have my version of reality and you have yours (from the bible no doubt) so here you are giving me lectures on the unknowable. On things that cannot be known by a mortal only supposed. But that is the normal arrogance of a theist. They are always right and the only ones that are right and everyone else is wrong! Spouting like you are some oracle of knowledge on existence. The REALITY of it is both of us are clueless here but its fascinating hearing about your spirits and their eternalness

Joshthefirst:
You're like a fantastical child. You don't want to believe that some would choose damnation over salvation because of sins deception. Abandon your childish ideals and face reality and get saved. Than you can convince as many as possible to choose salvation over damnation.

Or I can simply dismiss your idea of reality and no one has to be damned. There is no crime in this finite time on earth that justifies eternal punishment. Unless of course the punisher is evil beyond measure. That's the single thing that ensures I can never be a member of your cult. You call it childish, I call it mercy.

onetrack:
Depends on which church you go to!

True

Joshthefirst:
Good for you. Keep away from religion. But finds Gods love and salvation while you're at it. Don't confuse one for another.

Nah thanks, I'll pass. You see, I am unable to accept the concept of salvation as it means I must accept that some will find damnation. And being the nice person I am, I infinitely prefer the idea that we all cease to exist in any form when we die on earth. It appears I am more merciful than the christian god

presher:
Depression and anxiety-believing in God can stop us from worries

Or you could take drugs and be permanently high.
In both cases you can escape from reality.
But belief is probably the cheaper option.

That article is just rife with the typical brainwashed myopic view of a limited "christian".

That article judges a person who has committed no crime, no evil, no wrong except to demand extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims with words like "arrogant", "fool", "rebellious", "immoral", "corrupt", "abominable", "hopeless" etc etc and then claim to be a "christian".

This is precisely why religion is poison and I will keep me and mine clear away from it.

LordReed:
You are really steeped in this your prejudice o. Cohorts? LoL.

An outside is not illogical, it is unknown or at best not within the ambits of observed phenomenon. Scientists postulate that the universe probably has no outside because of what they have observed but they have only observed light that has so far been visible. If truly the universe is 15billion years old then the light from the farthest reaches of space will not be reaching us anytime soon so they cannot be certain about how exactly the universe looks like. You cannot be certain about the nature of the universe so to say the universe is this or that without any caveats is the weakness I saw in your op.

I don't need to be a theist to see that this makes sense. The one thing about the universe that we know is that there is a lot we don't know about it.

Esdb3:
I take it you are an atheist. Pplease just try to look out for juju real juju or read the book of moses after you get cured from insanity developed by reading the book pls come back here to tell me how the bible is a scfi imagination....

Read the whole bible. Still no juju to be found in real life.

Esdb3:
have they not seen voodoo?

Nope, in all my years I have never seen a single trace of voodoo.

I agree with the OP. If that was ALL the debate there was on this forum it would be very poor.
Fortunately I dont think that is all that is on here.

It's important to note that its both sides that throw counter arguments like that. So it will not be accurate to make it seem like its the non-believers that are single handedly bringing down the level of debate.

Also pick your battles wisely. Sometimes you must check out of a discussion (eg when confronted with a robot) because further discourse would be intellectually unstimulating and frankly a waste of time.

MrPresident1:
What is you peoples' fixation with labels? What is the meaning of 'deist'? One of the numerous labels used to enslave you, right? What is your own label, is it atheist?

deism
ˈdeɪɪz(ə)m,ˈdiːɪ-/
noun
noun: deism
belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.

It is a misnomer for a Negro to go by the label of 'atheist', it usually is borne out of greed, or in most instances, of the desire to be free of the shackles of morality.

You use the label Negro and then you talk about "you peoples' fixation with labels".
Regarding the rest of your post...if you say so.

EDIT: My bad, I thought i read you call yourself a deist. Now after having seen more of your posts I understand you are actually just a christian in denial.

Abuamam:
Hey, quit the generalisations. I take my moral code from a Holy Book, and I do not believe atheists are evil; or anyone else for that matter. Individuals are just different mixes of moral and immoral.
As for your moral codes, they are derived from the values and norms already present in the society where you were born, and believe me, those were derived from one Holy Book or the other. All morals are.

I didn't say all Christians i said most. And that is the case in my experience with Christians where they consider atheists to be on the devils side. If you don't think so good for you. So according to you before literature people were just killing each other, raping kids willy nilly and the victims approved of it I suppose. There are things that have not been condemned in the bible (slavery) but as a society we have unanimously turned against it as it causes harm to another. We use the same thought process to know killing for selfish reasons is bad. I don't need to read it on a list. There are things that have been condemned in the bible that majority (even you likely) ignore as they are not morally relevant (eating seafood, rounded haircuts, blended fabrics etc). So the bible is no the authority on morality like you think. Its unlikely that we will agree on this.

davien:
Did you suddenly wake up one day knowing that or is it what the bible tells you?

He is not christian, he is deist. apparently.
Once you have decided that all the theistic religions are bullshit, the fundamental question that distinguishes an atheist from a deist is this: Was the universe created or not? Created = deist, not created = atheist. One cannot make a real case for either. You can only "believe" or not.

For the most party they are closed minded and brainwashed souls living in a bubble of delusion.
Since they need the bible or another holy book to tell them right from wrong they are afraid of people who have a moral code without reading their list of dos and don't dos. So for them either you follow a religion or you are bound to be somehow evil. They cant comprehend the concept of secular humanism.

EvilBrain1:
The reason most religious people behave like bigots is because theyve been brainwashed into thinking those who dont share their faith are morally deficient and not to be trusted. Its religions way of shielding its members from hearing contrasting ideas that can undermine the brainwashing. Make the sheep afraid of talking to outsiders so they never learn that there is life outside the farm.

The best way to combat this is to be a kind and decent person whiile living openly as an atheist. Let them see for themselves that it is perfectly possible to be good without god. If people people like and admire you, it will be hard for them to justify mistreating you to themselves. Ive even had religious people jumping to my defense when their coreligionists start prejudging me.

And the greedy scumbag pastors, mass-murdering muslims and redemption camp going politicians will help you drive home the point every single day. Homosexuals in America were able to overcome all the lies and bigotry against them in a single generation just by coming out of the closet and showing everyone around them that they were a huge community of mostly decent people. If they could do it, I dont see why we cant.

Whenever your neighbours and co-workers go to church or mosque, and the head wizard starts ranting about how evil all the godless people are, let them think of you and wonder.

Amen bro

DONOCSO:
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Geez. Thats unexpected lol.

Why not use Joomla? I think its more flexible with unlimited extensions and can do any type of site you want.

The site I set up for my mums cakes. This is a temp address. Whaddya think. Mobile site is still a bit dodgy.
Cakes.carcm.com