₦airaland Forum

robosky02:
Omo are we playing....
Why will FIFA supervice and build a standard stadium in Kenya.
And then supervice and "build" a grass field in nigeria

But that of Kenya is much more than 1.2million dollars.

marlow1962:
Lmao
Where will there be exporting the plastic to?

There are millions of people within two hundred miles of that plant on all sides of the border. That is their catchment area. With a good business plan their prices will surely be competitive with products coming from hundreds of miles south or thousands of miles from abroad.

This is the exact model government, federal, state and local government should adopt in righting this economy. Industries all over the place. That is what they should be spending their 'scarce' resources on. These are the entrepreneurial assets worth borrowing money for.

Seed industries, wean them and collect back your capital as they begin to trade, then move to the next enterprise. In no time , over the course of a few governments the whole place will be filled with them.

Then your IGR is sure, then your infrastructure projects are easily funded. Then those in employment are much more tooled to contribute to the economy of your locality through taxation.

For us that live in Abuja and see the hordes of youth roaming about the city everyday, what is the FCT minister doing about industrialization, enterprise creation that will found a REAL economy.

It is not all about contracting, roads, bridges, housing. Al so the means to fuel development by productivity. If his working capital is not split evenly between infrastructure and industrialization he is simply creating an unsustainable economy that will decay from within. Idu industrial is there. Get is ticking.

There are trucks and trucks pouring into the city everyday bringing imported goods to service the construction industry for starters. Get just one or two items to make in the city.

Just like Nigeria's version of democracy
Elections after elections yet the country continues to slide.

General after general, yet the baddies continue to roam wild and free.

A country that cannot solve it's fundamental problems.

And a citizenry that cannot set the framework for the kind of leadership that instals result oriented leadership.

Isn't it time we begin to look into and debate how our security and armed services is structured and how leadership ascends. Perhaps we should adopt the US military model where leadership is purely on merit rather than by a combination of seniority and ethnic biases as we have here.

Apt.
What I have been saying for two decades and more.
We don't have an earnings problem.
We have a spending problem.
We are here because of waste, theft and gross mismanagement.

Your taxes at work.
Your subsidy savings at work.

Only in black Africa, the last feudal bastion on earth will peons take pride in the fat around the cheeks of their rulers.

Every other sane society will put their leaders on middle class wages, entitlements and compensations.

kaunafemzy:
But they told us PH refinery is already working and producing or which kind confusion is this.
Another lamba from the clueless wicked government

Exactly.
And the same people who were dancing to the charade are back here making recommendations on how to move forward. Recommendatioms they scorned at the last elections.

zero8zero:
It's in the report, the Govt will hand over to those who will run them on behalf of the Govt, not an outright sale. Even if Govt would sell them off, nobody will buy a decrepit refineries without being repaired.

Decrepit refinery you say after years of lies and billions of dollars spent/wasted. It is like you guys have forgotten the tales of yesterday under this very government and this very party over the last ten years.
Now who is going to hold you guys accountable.

EdonhappenTv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYtsHoufxA

In this shocking footage, armed bandits are seen freely moving around and even having fun in broad daylight — without fear of security forces. The video, which has sparked outrage across social media, raises serious questions about the state of insecurity and governance in the North.

Many Nigerians are now demanding answers from authorities on why armed groups continue to operate unchecked while innocent citizens live in fear.

👇 Watch the full video and share your thoughts in the comments!
Do you think the government is doing enough to tackle insecurity?

Which government?
I am amazed that citizens expect anything positive with this structure we operate.

If I may ask you.
Where is the nearest 'National' police station tand how well is it equiped to meet this task.
Where is the nearest military garrison located..Probably tens of kilometres away, perhaps hundreds of kilometres away.

That is the key.
Security density is far too low to trap these felons.
It is like sleeping under the cover of chicken wire mesh to prevent mosquito bites.

I am cocksure a number of locals, farmers, travellers, have seen or have been seeing these hoodlums out and about. And had it been that the local sheriff was a five minute drive away even smoke signals can bring the law to bear on them.

If that local government had its own police services the least that would happen is that Intel can be provided to bring more resources, more firepower to bear on them. It will be easier to track them down, to hunt them down till they are either apprehended or killed.

Nigeria is suffering today simply because the structure of governance is faulty. The security architecture is not for for purpose. Without state or local government police services those resident in such places are easy fodder for criminal elements and will continue to pay with their hard earned money and their lives.

Tayorshd87:
May God bless your generation for this.

This is just the simple truth Nigerians fail to understand.

This is the only country we complain of everything but praise developed countries that pay tax on anything dey do.


Nigerians want electricity, food, fuel, education, toll gate etc to be totally free 😁

But going to overseas they pay for all 🤔

Now we want to follow their footsteps yet they are complaining again 🤔

My friend it is a two way street.
There is also a catalogue of things that citizens provide for themselves here that is unimaginable elsewhere.

So just as the citizens are tasked to reform, government too should be reforming itself in tandem.

But what do we have. Business as usual. Government digging in to it's carefree, wasteful ways. People have cried out. We don't need this and that project. Do this and that instead. Yet the government is adamant in it's way for it's benefit. And you expect people to gladly pay for that without complaint.

Let the government spell out in exact terms what the 15 percent surcharge is going to fund or finance and let the people decide if it is worth it or not. Don't tell us we should pay tax to protect a certain private business. That is absolute rubbish.

Misterone:
Dem go see this one now since it's negative news!

You should actually be grateful and praiseful of whoever tells you the truth. No matter how upset you are about it, it is for your good as a country.

No matter how you colour it, debt is not good. There is no country in the world that is not worried about its present debt situation, none.

Just open your ears to international news. From the US to UK to France to Japan. They ALL want to reduce their debts no matter how addicted they are to new credit.

It is not a badge of honour as this government proudly wears it.

nairalanda1:
It's kind of humorous that Nigerians want cheap prices, to the point where they damage their economy.

(Yea and saying this will get me the usual mockery, so let me say this, tinubu is not fit to be president of Nigeria, and is corrupt, and I have never voted for him).

Right now, several refineries are coming up, and then we got Dangote and five other refineries. If they have to compete with cheap fuel from abroad....it would eventually wreck them. (We have a strong cement industry because Obasanjo went further than Tinubu and banned import of foreign cement).

Let's also add the fact that imported fuel is bad quality fuel. Dangote fuel for now is better quality.

Also, as someone has pointed out, if tinubu owns refineries in Malta, he is essentially pointing the sword at himself and his allies (But of course, more income means more chances of looting..so we better keep our eyes opened and keen).

Honestly, we lost four refineries, we have a power system that is wrecked, and we have high debt, massive corruption, because Nigerians treat government as some form of cornucopia bearing maiden, who will provide us with fruits, etc.

Keep in mind that our oil revenue is bad, non oil revenue is even not enough self, and even now, we have to increase borrowing because oil prices are not where we would want them to be.

Like I said, blame tinubu and buhari for the low income because they took power in 2015 on the platform of 'we will diversify the economy, kaza, kasza'. 10 Years later....oil price is the basis of our budget as it was under PDP.

But Nigerians don't like tax or don't want to pay tax because...they will chop the money.

So, at the end, the alternative is borrowing, borrowing and more borrowing (If you argue against this tarrif, or improved tax revenues...you are in essence arguing for more borrowing from IMF. ).

The truth is, we should tell ourselves a truth we did not tell ourselves at independence, that we are a poor country, and that there is no such thing as free petrol, free electricity, and free everything. Our oil revenue is not even up to one tenth of what the Saudis get from oil, and we have to share it among a population of 230 million people. Successive leaders have not diversified well enough, have messed up domestic industry, have not done enough to improve transport links, and have constantly lied to us that we can build a strong nation on limited tax revenue, and income that can't feed even one state in this country.

That is what I have been trying to tell you people, and yer response from some has been abuse, mockery, and calling me agbero, and unintelligent (Says more about the abusers than the abused, me). But the sad thing is no matter how much you attack me, it does not change the fact that Nigeria is broke, has been broke, even under the oil boom eras of 1973-82, and 2008-14, was broke as eff......and we need to start living with this reality, or we will end up regretting even more.

Damm, we should stop thinking that cheap prices means good economy. We have lost 4 refineries, and have a bad electricity supply and generation system, that we can't even get up from. But no, we are omo saudi....

Then just close the borders to 'cheap', 'dirty' fuel as you say. Just as we closed the borders to 'cheap', 'plastic' rice, remember. And let Dangote run the downstream industry alone. After all is that not we all want.

datola:
Mr Ayiri, I think it's done to protect and encourage indigenous refineries because that's where the solution is to many of Nigeria's economic issues.

You can imagine the FX wasted on importation of petroleum products, accompanied by importation of huge unemployment.

Dangote has said times without number that his refinery can serve our local needs adequately and still have so much to export.

Forget the noise about Dangote becoming a monopoly. Disadvantage of that is insignificant compared to economic problems of exportation. Moreover, more refineries are coming up to dispel the fear of monopoly by one man.

I thought you guys were accusing Tinubu and his men of owning refineries off Malta. How could he still went ahead to implement this policy against himself

Governance is not easy and cannot satisfy all!

Then why not just ban importation, close the borders to petroleum products since Dangote has the capacity as you say. Protect his refinery by fiat and don't milk the public with this brazen money grab.

I said it earlier today on this matter.
If the government is not ploughing the revenues from this taxation directly back into the industry to fast track other refinery developments by way of grants or equity to the likes of BUA and co, then the motives are ulterior. Just a money grab.

To be loading taxation on a commodity that was previously subsidized in an economic cycle that has not seen an inflationary recovery is just mean. The excuse of protecting Dangote remains an excuse in my opinion. If you want to protect him ban imports, period.

The second question that should be asked.

The 100 pound gorilla in the room.
Who or what is against the formation of state police.
We are not even talking about council or local government police.

Why will.a state in the 31st century adopt so called vigilantes as a part of it's security strategy in the face of churning insecurity of a serious kind.

If you like conspiracy stories this is one to chew on.

ClearFlair:
He is someone who is very familiar with North Central Nigeria

Don't even think he can go to his village without seriously armed personal protection detail.

ravensckar:
I wonder when you folks will learn? When Buhari's government banned the importation of rice to favour local production, did it yield any positive result? Nah! The price of rice skyrocketed and the quality reduced.

I wonder why Nigerians suffer from selective amnesia.

This is another aspect of governance that the public often ignores. The role of government in economic development.

The lazy model we have often practiced is by fencing a plot (banning) and then throwing money around (scattering seed) with the presumption of a harvest down the line.

That is what they did. They closed the borders and then through the CBN threw money at people particularly politically exposed people thinking they will go to farm and create the volumes and value to make for import substitution.

Same thing with poverty. They throw money at it.
Same with security they throw money at it. Everything is about allocating whereas they have not cleared the bush, tilled the ground and prepared the farm to accept the seed.

What are the policies in place to get additional refining capacity. What are the timelines, what are the inputs by government because it is the responsibility of government to lay the foundations for industry. They should have active stakes in all concerns.

If the 15% levy is going to raise x naira and x naira is going as government equity to fastrack the BUA refinery, and other refineries in their industrialization masterplan, I won't have any issues with it.

It will be easy to account for the funds, it will be a recoverable investment and the long term gains in fuel price reductions will be in sight.

But if such funds are going to be thrown into the wicker basket of the so called government budget to fund their lifestyles and feed their pet white elephants then it is useless to the people.of this country.

Accountability, prudence and wisdom will forever be the key to economic development. Nothing else works.

nairalanda1:
Your budget this year was based on the plan that oil prices will be 75 dollars per barrel

Since January ending, oil has been averaging 68 dollars per barrel

At the end, it's either loans or taxes or things don't get paid

And yes, apc took over promising diversification. They failed.

It is not a people centric budget.
Stop saying 'your' budget.
It is filled with costs 'they' approve for themselves through a legislature that works for 'them'.

That is what we say.
The nature of this democracy is not people centric.
The people end their participation at the polls and everything after that is resisted and termed anti government at the least and seditious a lot of times.

You cannot expect people not to complain about government's income and expenditure when they have little of no input and little to no benefit.

Ad a classic example.
Yesterday we saw pictures of a dreadful highway in the Edo/Delta axis.

Now if the government is sensitive to acknowledge this and tie them to new taxes or tariff and is seen to move on these issues then people will not complain.

But to raise taxes just to throw it into some opaque budget no one is monitoring for expenditure the public doesn't control will be resisted.

To whom much is given much is expected and this government should realize that the more it strains the people the more they will ask questions.

I don't know how we see government in this part of the world. They are not gods that are beyond question. Gods are not elected from amongst men. They are merely first amongst equals and they should answer to the people who send them there to represent them.

In saner societies issues of taxation are bitterly debated by government and the people's representatives on the other hand.

Government doesn't just collect money from the people without serious explanations as to how and why.

Neighbour China will be the first to cancel out Putin and his army the moment they detect a nuclear strike

You think they will sit by and watch their biggest business partner go down. And then watch their economy crash and with it political suicide.

Forget about all these sabre rattling. It is mere circular posturing. No one can destroy the other and survive.

mohbadliveson:
They go to Mosques
They go to church
They pray most
Yet they steal most

Every public servant is criminally minded by association. The exceptions are a micro minority. But even those will not report sleeze flowing around them so it is about the same thing.

BlackViper:
Someone will still say that forfeiture is not the same thing as a criminal conviction

You people. Una like wahala 24/7....

No need to arrest anyone.
They will be back in a few months to submit their budget.
Then we will see how that is possible without accountability.

That is where your more revenue is going. That is where your more taxation will go.

FarahAideed:
I smell this playbook will happen in Northern Nigeria soon , Islamic terrorist will causes a blockade that stops fuel and electricity supply fir moving into the north

Haven't you heard they've been toppling transmission towers and bombing communication infrastructure for years. What does it take them to step to the next level.

The threat to the seat of power just yesterday is not a nursery rhyme. These fellows are growing real brass balls.

Mali might be the first African country, first State to fall to the Jihadi Insurrection. Who knows where this plague will spread next.

The continent should immediately sit up and start the formation of a serious pan-African bloc to tackle this menace before it gets out of hand.

pyyxxaro:
Earlier they said OBASEKI didn’t do it because he was PDP

Now APC has taken over , yet the same thing



Sai BABA , on your watermelon testeès we stand

The only country in the world that cannot use the instrumentality of democracy to better itself and it's people's.

Change government every four years, election after election costing billions over billions yet nothing about the country changes, useless exercises in futility the citizens indulge in.

Must really suck to be a citizen of this country.

That is the way it is supposed to be.
Elections should be tough, competitive so that the outcome is solid preparation for governance. And it is the interest of the people that elections are competitive so that no one takes them for granted.

But what do we have all over the place.
A desire to whittle down competition, to erode the races of democracy so that even the invalid can win.

And what is the result.
Just take a look at what has become of the country today.

Mr. Edun. Nigerians want jobs not tokens.
Spend that money creating and reviving industries and industrial sectors.

You're fanning the embers of a work averse people. In the future this seed you sow will germinate into a generation of entitled Nigerians, a generation of ultra dependent citizens.

What is wrong with asking for ports in other regions take equal place to that of the West and Lagos area.
Did he say the proposed investment should not not go ahead.

naptu2:
Television once upon a time.





The Kids From 47a

Add 'Dallas' to your list and a short while later 'Dynasty' in direct competition.

crixlight2:
Electing any leader is a gamble because you don’t really know which of them will perform, every politician lie a lot during campaign

No sir.
That is not how democracy works.
Democracy starts with the people's expectations, their agenda, what they wish to see of their country.
Then they go get who can do the job of delivering their agenda.

So it is not putting people in office and expecting them to reason out your unstated desires. That never happens. No one will employ you to do a job without a description. That is gambling.

In democracy you have a task and you interview the candidates and based on their resumes and their work plan towards your objectives you employ or vote the best package.

So.you know after elections and assumption to office exactly what you will get and exactly when you will.get it.

We have been gambling since 1999 and the results, the condition of Nigeria today is proof that we don't know how to work democracy for the good of the country and the people.

Yeah he played a political card back then at home just as he did abroad and both have backfired. Both have come across as sectional.

Said it then, it was a mistake.

That is why it is always good to support principles, ideologies rather than pander about individuals for or against.

SonOfDSoil01:
I foresee cries on the thread……all stats keep showing SW as the most economically viable and economically stable region, while the acclaimed billionaire region keep playing catch up. Pls give the Yorubas their flowers

It is just the fate of geography that has triggered all that. Proximity to the coast and easier access to international trade.

When you leave Lagos and start heading north either through Ogun, Oyo and onto Kwara or via Ondo to Kogi on the east so the wealth factor dissipates.

Even within Lagos the bulk of the wealth is concentrated towards the Island, the Peninsular and clusters around the ports and the immediate surroundings.

Even within Lagos wealth is not evenly distributed talk more across the entire southwest.

If Nigeria is to prosper, to achieve the so called trillion dollar economy it has to invest in opening up the country to access both land and human capital that abound throughout. It has to create wealth centres all over to tap into their comparative advantages.